超级军网纠结的卡弗里：无尽的折腾 难产的本质 主线在哪里？（更 ...
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从印度涡轮院开始转向Snecma寻求支持。
结果Snecma支持不力。
去年去俄罗斯寻求支持， 土星介入。 高空测试顺利。
土星开始帮助印度，介入优化。
同时开始利用卡弗里核心机帮助搞燃气轮机
现在又提议和Snecma联合设计生产 卡弗里 K10。
不知道主干在哪里？
从印度涡轮院开始转向Snecma寻求支持。
结果Snecma支持不力。
去年去俄罗斯寻求支持， 土星介入。 高空测试顺利。
土星开始帮助印度，介入优化。
同时开始利用卡弗里核心机帮助搞燃气轮机
现在又提议和Snecma联合设计生产 卡弗里 K10。
不知道主干在哪里？
山寨F404也不那么容易的
iamsu7 发表于 2011-2-28 11:23 
印度没有采纳Snecma的建议采纳M88核心机。 然后是原来核心机。
印度没有采纳Snecma的建议采纳M88核心机。 然后是原来核心机。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 11:25
不会吧，核心机的路线也在变来变去。没这么折腾的。
不会吧，核心机的路线也在变来变去。没这么折腾的。
machineussr 发表于 2011-2-28 11:41
印度没采纳。 2010年去格罗莫夫试飞院试飞很成功。
印度没采纳。 2010年去格罗莫夫试飞院试飞很成功。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 11:47
哦，原来是斯奈克玛支持不力所以没采纳。。。
那核心机还是山寨F404，而K10又要上法系核心机？
哦，原来是斯奈克玛支持不力所以没采纳。。。
那核心机还是山寨F404，而K10又要上法系核心机？
这就和 不举的JJ一样。 就算它不能用了，使用者也得坚持不懈地撸下去， 要不然尺寸会缩水，最终变成太监。
machineussr 发表于 2011-2-28 11:49
不算山寨。 3611结构
不算山寨。 3611结构
看有成功的那天没
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 12:06
这么简洁。设计所看样子还是有些实力的。
这么简洁。设计所看样子还是有些实力的。
就A3那功力{:wu:}
三哥命好，人不给力啊。
M88和F404不是亲戚吗 直接给2000 lca买生产线
machineussr 发表于 2011-2-28 12:10
呵呵，所以搞好了。 定将血流成河。
呵呵，所以搞好了。 定将血流成河。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 11:20
2010年3月份的进展： 卡弗里核心机基础上的舰用燃气轮机： 12MW（16000马力）
测试很成功，用于装备印度自己的军舰
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Marine Kaveri has been successfully tested in a Indian Naval dock yard Facility in Vishakhapatnam, which will power Rajput class of ships, Marine Kaveri engine was able to generate 12 MW (16000 hp) at sea level under 35 degree Celsius , GTRE is ready working on 3 or 4 test engines which will be tested onboard within next three years and cost for each engine is expected to be below 25 crores ,which is cheaper than the Western imported engines , Navy will order around 40 of this engines for powering warship in a years to come
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Two decades ago GTRE was authorized to launch a programme to develop an indigenous power plant for the countries Indigenous built Light combat aircraft known as Tejas. Kaveri Engine Program from its start till date only four core engines and eight Kaveri engines have been manufactured even after repeated success in Indian condition where engine was able to generate 4774 kgf (dry) and 7000 kgf (reheat) thrust ,failed most of time in High altitude reheat tests conducted in Russia from 2001 onwards.
2010年3月份的进展： 卡弗里核心机基础上的舰用燃气轮机： 12MW（16000马力）
测试很成功，用于装备印度自己的军舰
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Marine Kaveri has been successfully tested in a Indian Naval dock yard Facility in Vishakhapatnam, which will power Rajput class of ships, Marine Kaveri engine was able to generate 12 MW (16000 hp) at sea level under 35 degree Celsius , GTRE is ready working on 3 or 4 test engines which will be tested onboard within next three years and cost for each engine is expected to be below 25 crores ,which is cheaper than the Western imported engines , Navy will order around 40 of this engines for powering warship in a years to come
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Two decades ago GTRE was authorized to launch a programme to develop an indigenous power plant for the countries Indigenous built Light combat aircraft known as Tejas. Kaveri Engine Program from its start till date only four core engines and eight Kaveri engines have been manufactured even after repeated success in Indian condition where engine was able to generate 4774 kgf (dry) and 7000 kgf (reheat) thrust ,failed most of time in High altitude reheat tests conducted in Russia from 2001 onwards.
三哥不是买得到F414吗？
真传奇啊kennobi 发表于 2011-2-28 14:43
印度人也没那么傻，自己搞了20年的核心机。轻易就换了。
印度人也没那么傻，自己搞了20年的核心机。轻易就换了。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 15:34
血流成河？
血流成河？
佐东贤 发表于 2011-2-28 15:41
本来是要装LCA的，结果卡夫里不行，职能用F414顶上了
本来是要装LCA的，结果卡夫里不行，职能用F414顶上了
楼主的潜台词不就是毛子NB么……;P
楼主的潜台词不就是毛子NB么……;P
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 11:20
http://www.india-defence.com/reports-5045
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2011-2-23. 最新进展。
和Snecma合作造kaveri. 谈判进入最后阶段。
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2011-02-23 India's negotiation with a French firm for developing a production version of its indigenous Kaveri engine for its military aircraft is in the final stage of cost negotiations, Defence Minister A.K. Antony told the Rajya Sabha Wednesday.
Negotiations with French firm Snecma are being conducted by a tender purchase committee with members from the Defence Research and Development Organisation, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the Indian Air Force, the Indian Navy and defence finance department.
"It is proposed to develop production version Kaveri (K10) engine on co-design and co-development basis with Snecma of France. The technical evaluation for this proposal has been completed. Tender purchase committee is negotiating the commercial aspects," Antony said in a written reply during question hour.
He said so far, nine prototypes of Kaveri engines and four prototypes of Kaveri Core (Kabini) engines have been developed, and about 1,975 hours of testing have been conducted on Kaveri and its core engines at ground and altitude conditions.
Kaveri engine prototype (K9) was integrated with an IL-76 aircraft at Gromov Flight Research Institute in Russia. After adequate engine ground runs, the scientists had successfully completed the taxi trials and the maiden flight test of Kaveri engine with IL-76 aircraft for over an hour on Nov 3 last year, followed by three more flight tests.
"These flight tests covered a six km altitude and a speed of 0.6 mach (0.6 times the speed of sound)," he added.
India had sanctioned the Kaveri engine development project on Mar 30, 1989, with a probable date of completion in December 1996 and a cost of Rs.382.81 crore. The project cost was later revised to Rs.2,839 crore.
Some of the major reasons for time and cost overruns are first-time development of an engine, lack of skilled manpower in engine manufacturing, enhancement in the scope of project during development, lack of infrastructure for engine manufacture testing and component/system level testing within the country.
"Flying test bed trials was not originally included as a milestone in the project. Engine and component failure during testing, which is inevitable in these kind of projects, resulted in changes in design and material based on various reviews," Antony said.
Foreign manufacturing agencies too showed less priority for the project in view of minimum order quantity, that is the production order quantity from other engine houses.
US sanctions imposed in 1998 (after India's nuclear tests in Pokhran under the National Democratic Alliance regime) affected the delivery of critical systems and components, he added.
http://www.india-defence.com/reports-5045
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2011-2-23. 最新进展。
和Snecma合作造kaveri. 谈判进入最后阶段。
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2011-02-23 India's negotiation with a French firm for developing a production version of its indigenous Kaveri engine for its military aircraft is in the final stage of cost negotiations, Defence Minister A.K. Antony told the Rajya Sabha Wednesday.
Negotiations with French firm Snecma are being conducted by a tender purchase committee with members from the Defence Research and Development Organisation, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the Indian Air Force, the Indian Navy and defence finance department.
"It is proposed to develop production version Kaveri (K10) engine on co-design and co-development basis with Snecma of France. The technical evaluation for this proposal has been completed. Tender purchase committee is negotiating the commercial aspects," Antony said in a written reply during question hour.
He said so far, nine prototypes of Kaveri engines and four prototypes of Kaveri Core (Kabini) engines have been developed, and about 1,975 hours of testing have been conducted on Kaveri and its core engines at ground and altitude conditions.
Kaveri engine prototype (K9) was integrated with an IL-76 aircraft at Gromov Flight Research Institute in Russia. After adequate engine ground runs, the scientists had successfully completed the taxi trials and the maiden flight test of Kaveri engine with IL-76 aircraft for over an hour on Nov 3 last year, followed by three more flight tests.
"These flight tests covered a six km altitude and a speed of 0.6 mach (0.6 times the speed of sound)," he added.
India had sanctioned the Kaveri engine development project on Mar 30, 1989, with a probable date of completion in December 1996 and a cost of Rs.382.81 crore. The project cost was later revised to Rs.2,839 crore.
Some of the major reasons for time and cost overruns are first-time development of an engine, lack of skilled manpower in engine manufacturing, enhancement in the scope of project during development, lack of infrastructure for engine manufacture testing and component/system level testing within the country.
"Flying test bed trials was not originally included as a milestone in the project. Engine and component failure during testing, which is inevitable in these kind of projects, resulted in changes in design and material based on various reviews," Antony said.
Foreign manufacturing agencies too showed less priority for the project in view of minimum order quantity, that is the production order quantity from other engine houses.
US sanctions imposed in 1998 (after India's nuclear tests in Pokhran under the National Democratic Alliance regime) affected the delivery of critical systems and components, he added.
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 15:34
那卡佛理生产线准备放哪里。。。在本国的话不看好。。
那卡佛理生产线准备放哪里。。。在本国的话不看好。。
ericcui1 发表于 2011-2-28 16:01
这个，对于立场问题就不要太较真了~~
这个，对于立场问题就不要太较真了~~
machineussr 发表于 2011-2-28 16:09
谁说印度就造不了发动机了？ :D
米格-21 从60年代初开始造， 为啥子到现在才开始摔机数量多起来。
另外30MKI， 一共10年摔了几架？ :D （土鳖摔了多少？）
对别人的话，采信程度嘛，自己看数据。
谁说印度就造不了发动机了？ :D
米格-21 从60年代初开始造， 为啥子到现在才开始摔机数量多起来。
另外30MKI， 一共10年摔了几架？ :D （土鳖摔了多少？）
对别人的话，采信程度嘛，自己看数据。
三哥 还是买的好JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 16:19
那MKI仿制搞不定总不是假的吧。。。。。。
那MKI仿制搞不定总不是假的吧。。。。。。
machineussr 发表于 2011-2-28 16:34
人家从来就没仿制，是许可证总装。
人家从来就没仿制，是许可证总装。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 16:38
呵呵，难得口径一致。。。。。。具体情况究竟怎样？是真搞不定还是价钱吃不消？
呵呵，难得口径一致。。。。。。具体情况究竟怎样？是真搞不定还是价钱吃不消？
machineussr 发表于 2011-2-28 16:41
没效率。
没效率。
回复 19# JSTCVW09CD
阿三要是学白兔 把从材料到成品的工业体系从高炉搞过来 也不枉二十年啊
阿三要是学白兔 把从材料到成品的工业体系从高炉搞过来 也不枉二十年啊
kennobi 发表于 2011-2-28 17:45
如果真是这样， VILS 的粉盘， SPE "temp" 的 FADEC， VIAM的单晶材料 就不用发贺电了。
至于萨留特的技术支持就不用提了。
从材料到成品的工业体系从高炉搞过来
如果真是这样， VILS 的粉盘， SPE "temp" 的 FADEC， VIAM的单晶材料 就不用发贺电了。
至于萨留特的技术支持就不用提了。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 16:38
这样好呀，抄作业比自己解题更容易！！
这样好呀，抄作业比自己解题更容易！！
3611结构，这么牛B？难怪总也搞不定。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 15:40
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不用吹牛了。。 等见到阿三用到军舰上你再来帮毛子吹。
如果算测试成功，TG都已经不知道多少款燃气轮机了。。
阿三的30MKI只是进口毛子的成品部件组装，没撒技术含量。也已经坠落几架了，掉的少是因为机队规模还小。:D
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不用吹牛了。。 等见到阿三用到军舰上你再来帮毛子吹。
如果算测试成功，TG都已经不知道多少款燃气轮机了。。
阿三的30MKI只是进口毛子的成品部件组装，没撒技术含量。也已经坠落几架了，掉的少是因为机队规模还小。:D
看来是嫌MKI掉的少了，不要紧，让MKI数量再多个三五倍，俺们再比比看~~
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-2-28 16:19
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:D 燃气轮机的成熟是跟客机发动机一样要达到一定的无故障间隔使用时间的保证，满足长时间的可靠性的考验以后才可能量产，阿三离这样的要求还太早。
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阿三米格21现在才开始摔机数量多 ？？？？？ 你什么水平啊？ 你上世纪80，90年代看来没什么信息。
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:D 燃气轮机的成熟是跟客机发动机一样要达到一定的无故障间隔使用时间的保证，满足长时间的可靠性的考验以后才可能量产，阿三离这样的要求还太早。
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阿三米格21现在才开始摔机数量多 ？？？？？ 你什么水平啊？ 你上世纪80，90年代看来没什么信息。
业余分析员 发表于 2011-2-28 18:39
乱喷之前请自己去查证。 不要费口水。
乱喷之前请自己去查证。 不要费口水。
业余分析员 发表于 2011-2-28 18:45
印度从60年代组装21， 请问在60年代到80年前，摔了多少？:D
在乱喷之前，还是要先查证后刷牙好不好。
印度从60年代组装21， 请问在60年代到80年前，摔了多少？:D
在乱喷之前，还是要先查证后刷牙好不好。