关于前苏联 ICBM,一系列高难度问题~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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1、三大怪物的疑问

МАЗ-7904/7906/7907 三大怪物现在不算稀罕了

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那么,这三大怪物是沙波什尼科夫大师造出来干什么的捏?显然这个问题更加具有诱惑力。极少量语焉不详的资料说明,这些怪物是为了搭载一个叫做 15ж62  / целина-2 的巨大的 ICBM。很不幸的是,在相当多的资料里面,15ж62也就是 15zh62 被认为是 RS-12M 也就是 SS-25 也就是 白杨。但显然,以白杨的个头, 显然没有必要享用 7904/7906/7907 这样的高级待遇,7912/7917 就足够了。这里面是咋回事涅?

幸好,极罕见的一份资料很详细的描述了一下这个 15ж62  / целина-2 是南方设计局的作品,而和15ж61也就是РТ-23 УТТХ也就是我们熟知的SS24手术刀,它正是南方设计局的得意之作。这样,我们就会自然而然的联想,15ж62  / целина-2,还有МАЗ-7904/7906/7907 会不会就是手术刀的公路机动版本,而由于某些未知的原因没有投入现役?

呵呵,很符合逻辑的一个猜想,俺先前找到过一份英文资料上面целина-2的物理尺寸同15ж61相差无几,这就更进一步证明了上述猜想。


还有一个更加令人迷惑的问题,下面这张图上的家伙是用来干什么的?

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1、三大怪物的疑问

МАЗ-7904/7906/7907 三大怪物现在不算稀罕了

MAZ7904.jpg

MAZ7906_2.jpg

MAZ7907_3.jpg

那么,这三大怪物是沙波什尼科夫大师造出来干什么的捏?显然这个问题更加具有诱惑力。极少量语焉不详的资料说明,这些怪物是为了搭载一个叫做 15ж62  / целина-2 的巨大的 ICBM。很不幸的是,在相当多的资料里面,15ж62也就是 15zh62 被认为是 RS-12M 也就是 SS-25 也就是 白杨。但显然,以白杨的个头, 显然没有必要享用 7904/7906/7907 这样的高级待遇,7912/7917 就足够了。这里面是咋回事涅?

幸好,极罕见的一份资料很详细的描述了一下这个 15ж62  / целина-2 是南方设计局的作品,而和15ж61也就是РТ-23 УТТХ也就是我们熟知的SS24手术刀,它正是南方设计局的得意之作。这样,我们就会自然而然的联想,15ж62  / целина-2,还有МАЗ-7904/7906/7907 会不会就是手术刀的公路机动版本,而由于某些未知的原因没有投入现役?

呵呵,很符合逻辑的一个猜想,俺先前找到过一份英文资料上面целина-2的物理尺寸同15ж61相差无几,这就更进一步证明了上述猜想。


还有一个更加令人迷惑的问题,下面这张图上的家伙是用来干什么的?

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2、它是谁?它是谁?

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我们知道,SS20 是 SS16 减配掉第三级以后设计出来的。那么,SS16 是什么模样?公路机动还是井射?谁知道?

上面照片上的这家伙是谁?不要说它是SS20,如果是SS20 的话就没必要问这个问题了。


还有这个家伙,它是谁???难道它就是苏联版的“侏儒”

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2、它是谁?它是谁?

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我们知道,SS20 是 SS16 减配掉第三级以后设计出来的。那么,SS16 是什么模样?公路机动还是井射?谁知道?

上面照片上的这家伙是谁?不要说它是SS20,如果是SS20 的话就没必要问这个问题了。


还有这个家伙,它是谁???难道它就是苏联版的“侏儒”

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SS15 发表于 2010-1-3 22:44

要装的那些大杀器都下马了,或者改换其他了。 所以能改民用就民用了。 有些直接去西伯利亚挖油了。
SS15 发表于 2010-1-3 23:17

SS-20那么重, 这个载不动吧。


1楼的最后一张图,那个问题
好像前阶段有人已经发过了吧
是不是苏联的车载核反应堆吧
http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=756642&extra=page%3D2

1楼的最后一张图,那个问题
好像前阶段有人已经发过了吧
是不是苏联的车载核反应堆吧
http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=756642&extra=page%3D2
车载核反应堆?!这东西有实际意义么?
SS-24确实是有过公路机动的想法,但这个车是不是和该想法有关系那就不知道了
SS-16是公路机动发射,你那张图似乎是SS-20
履带车的那个是SS-15,也是试验了一下,没装备。是个比较奇怪的一级固体,二级液体设计


看一下下面的对比:

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这个是 SS16 也就是 Temp-2S / 15zh42
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而这个是“先锋”也就是ss20,或者更准确的说这是 15zh45
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这个是先锋-2,应当是15zh53,但我不大敢肯定,好像还有一个名称叫做先锋UTTH
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这个是先锋-3 / 15zh57,它的照片很少
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事实上,诸如 SS-XX 的北约编号很不可靠。比如SS-20下面就有上述三个型号。SS24下面也是有3、4个型号
偏偏苏联导弹型号多如牛毛,要搞清这些型号之间的关系难得就像老外要搞清中国人的辈分关系一样的复杂。

Temp-2C 俺觉得才是前苏联战略火箭军的得意之作,可惜它一直躲在幕后。在Temp-2s 的基础上发展起来了风光无限的 SS20 和 SS25
Temp-2C的弹弹,如果不说明,大伙绝对会认为是SS25的
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Temp-2s 在设计之时还有过这么一个独特的公路机动方式,两个履带底盘串联的 825 工程,有时候真不得不感慨:地有多高产毛子就有多大胆。

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看一下下面的对比:

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这个是 SS16 也就是 Temp-2S / 15zh42
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而这个是“先锋”也就是ss20,或者更准确的说这是 15zh45
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这个是先锋-2,应当是15zh53,但我不大敢肯定,好像还有一个名称叫做先锋UTTH
111.gif


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这个是先锋-3 / 15zh57,它的照片很少
222.gif

pioner.jpg



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事实上,诸如 SS-XX 的北约编号很不可靠。比如SS-20下面就有上述三个型号。SS24下面也是有3、4个型号
偏偏苏联导弹型号多如牛毛,要搞清这些型号之间的关系难得就像老外要搞清中国人的辈分关系一样的复杂。

Temp-2C 俺觉得才是前苏联战略火箭军的得意之作,可惜它一直躲在幕后。在Temp-2s 的基础上发展起来了风光无限的 SS20 和 SS25
Temp-2C的弹弹,如果不说明,大伙绝对会认为是SS25的
image232.jpg

Temp-2s 在设计之时还有过这么一个独特的公路机动方式,两个履带底盘串联的 825 工程,有时候真不得不感慨:地有多高产毛子就有多大胆。

2SM.gif

object_825_1_调整大小_调整大小.jpg
关于7907.

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Опытное шасси МАЗ-7907.
    МАЗ-7907 - опытная машина для подвижного грунтового межконтинентального ракетного комплекса "Целина-2". Ее двенадцатиосное шасси обладает гигантскими габаритами: длина - 30 м, ширина - 4,8 м, высота - 4,5 м. К главным техническим особенностям этого монстра можно отнести применение в качестве силовой установки газотурбинного двигателя (специально спроектированного и изготовленного варианта танкового двигателя ГТД-1250 - ГТД-1250А) мощностью 1250 л.с. и довольно сложной, но эффективной электротрансмиссии с 24 мотор-колесами. Шарнирно-сочлененная рама и большой ход подвески колес диаметром почти два метра обеспечивают машине с проектной боевой массой под 200 тонн хорошую проходимость по грунтовым дорогам сложного профиля и максимальную скорость до 40 км/ч. Феноменальную маневренность "двадцатичетырехножке" обеспечивает автоматическая система дифференциального управления поворотом колес.
    О запредельной убойной силе ракетного комплекса "Целина-2", который предполагалось установить на этом шасси, можно только догадываться. Но неофициально разработчики называли его "наш ответ Рейгану", так как создание машины и начинки велось в восьмидесятые годы, в пик "холодной войны".
    Шасси МАЗ-7907 прошло успешную опытную эксплуатацию, однако на вооружение принято не было (видимо из-за прекращения работ по комплексу "Целина-2"). На опытном спецшасси МАЗ-7907 ракеты комплекса "Целина-2" так и не появилось, а вот речной катер массой 88 т перевезли на этом чуде-юде по дорогам общего пользования с Березины за 150 км на озеро Нарочь. Ныне два опытных экземпляра шасси МАЗ-7907 хранятся на территории одного из полигонов.

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Google翻译以供参考。

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MAZ-7907.

    MAZ-7907 - The prototype for rolling ground intercontinental missile system Celina-2. Her twelve-chassis has a gigantic dimensions: length - 30 m, width - 4,8 m, height - 4,5 m. main technical features of this monster can include use as a propulsion gas turbine engine (specially designed and manufactured version of the Tank Engine GTE -1250 - GTD-1250A) capacity of 1250 hp and quite complex, but effective electric transmission with 24 motor-wheels. Articulated frame and large suspension travel of the wheels with a diameter of almost two meters provide a car with a projected combat weight of 200 tons of good cross-country on dirt roads a complex profile and the maximum speed of 40 km / h. Phenomenal agility "dvadtsatichetyrehnozhke provides automatic control of the differential rotation of the wheels.

    About otherworldly lethal force missile system Celina-2, which is to be installed on this chassis, we can only guess. But unofficially, developers called it "our answer to Reagan," as the creation and filling machines were built in the eighties, at the height of the Cold War.    

MAZ-7907 was successful trial operation, but the weapon was taken (probably due to cessation of work on a set of "Celina-2"). The prototype rough terrain MAZ-7907 missile complex "Celina-2" has not appeared, but the river boat weighing 88 tonnes was transported to this miracle-yude on public roads with the Berezina of 150 km of the lake Narač. Now, two prototypes MAZ-7907 is stored in one of the polygons.
美图共赏之

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SS15 发表于 2010-1-4 13:21

老大, 那个模型网站搞到的?
全都是大杀器啊
7904.

Опытное шасси МАЗ-7904.
    МАЗ-7904 - шестиосное спецшасси грузоподъемностью 200 тонн! Эта экспериментальная машина была создана в 80-х годах для одного из ракетных комплексов с МБР. Машина была построена на МАЗе, затем разобрана и перевезена на полигон Байконур для испытаний.

    Долгое время считалось, что этот автомобиль безвозвратно утрачен. Однако, по состоянию на начало 2007 года машина хранилось в одном из ангаров площадок 43 ("Зенитовский" старт) и 42, которые переданы военными гражданской организации КБТМ (Конструкторское Бюро Транспортного Машиностроения)

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MAZ-7904.

    MAZ-7904 - six-axle load capacity of 200 tons rough terrain! This experimental machine was set up in the 80 years for one of the ICBM missile complexes. The car was built on the MAZ, then disassembled and transported to the site Baikonur for testing.

    It was long thought that this car was lost. However, at the beginning of 2007 the machine was kept in a hangar pads 43 ( "Zenitovsky" start) and 42, which passed the military civic organization KBTM (Design Bureau of Transport Machine-Building)
Опытное шасси МАЗ-7906.

    МАЗ-7906 - восьмиосное спецшасси, оснащенное дизельным двигателем и предназначенное для транспортировки подвижного грунтового межконтинентального ракетного комплекса "Целина-2".

    Комплекс "Целина-2" разрабатывался в КБ "Южное" в начале 80-х годов. Проект предусматривал размещение ПУ на двенадцатиосном МАЗ-7907 или на восьмиосном шасси МАЗ-7906. Трехступенчатая МБР с РДТТ. Максимальная дальность стрельбы - 10 000 км. Стартовая масса - 104,5 т. Длина ракеты в ТПК - 22,6 м. Максимальный диаметр корпуса - 2,4 м. Разделяющаяся ГЧ имеет 10 ядерных боевых блоков индивидуального наведения на цель. Разработка проекта "Целина-2" была прекращена.

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MAZ-7906.
    MAZ-7906 - eight rough terrain, equipped with a diesel engine and designed for the transportation of mobile ground intercontinental missile system Celina-2.

    Complex Celina-2 "was developed in Yuzhnoye in the early 80's. The project involved the deployment of IP in the twelve-MAZ-7907 or the eight-MAZ-7906. ICBMs three-step solid-propellant motor. Maximum range - 10 000 km. Starting weight - 104.5 tons Length missiles in WPK - 22,6 m Maximum diameter - 2,4 m. The separating MS has 10 nuclear warheads independently targeted to the target. Development of the project "Celina-2 was discontinued.


先锋UTTH,  MAZ 7916


是MAZ 547A的加长版。

别看轮子多, 不是越野型号的喔。



MAZ-547A manufactured commercially since 1972.  The missile complex Temp-2S "was in service with the Strategic Missile Forces in 1976.

In 1980, weapons adopted an improved version of the missile complex was designated the "Pioneer UTTH 。To transport and launch its former constituent BRSD 15ZH53 created new launchers, which served as the basis for the upgraded car, were designated as MAZ-7916.  He kept the layout solutions chassis 547-th model.  Externally, the new machine differed from its predecessors a few large dimensions and cabin crew of the new design.  MAZ-7916 was four wheel drive.

先锋UTTH,  MAZ 7916


是MAZ 547A的加长版。

别看轮子多, 不是越野型号的喔。



MAZ-547A manufactured commercially since 1972.  The missile complex Temp-2S "was in service with the Strategic Missile Forces in 1976.

In 1980, weapons adopted an improved version of the missile complex was designated the "Pioneer UTTH 。To transport and launch its former constituent BRSD 15ZH53 created new launchers, which served as the basis for the upgraded car, were designated as MAZ-7916.  He kept the layout solutions chassis 547-th model.  Externally, the new machine differed from its predecessors a few large dimensions and cabin crew of the new design.  MAZ-7916 was four wheel drive.
给一个google版的翻译。

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Boris L. Shaposhnik

10.01.2009

SHAPOSHNIKOV Boris L. (December 17, 1902, Pinsk - 12 September 1985, Minsk), the Soviet designer of cars, the Hero of Socialist Labor, Treasury and the winner of the Lenin Prize, the worthy functionary of Science and Technology of Belarus, the doctor Tekhniki. Science.
He graduated in 1930 Stolichnoe Superior Technical School names Bauman (Moscow Higher Technical School). Most 10 years, until 1941, worked at the factory AMO (from 1931 - ZIS), design engineer, boss of the design department, the main designer. With his participation factory mastered and produced trucks ZIS-5, ZIS-6 (1933-1941) and others, auto ZIS-101 (1936-1941), bus VMS-16 (1938-1941). During World War II Famous Shaposhnik was appointed head in (from 1941) Design Bureau of the Ulyanovsk plant (UAZ), where the spring of 1942 produced trucks ZIS-5V. In the aftermath of the war in Novosibirsk, where in 1946 he was transferred design department UAZ, was expected to produce fresh trucks - ZIS-253. But in connection with the problems of the production of three-cylinder two-stroke diesel engine this car but was not put into production.
Since 1949 Shaposhnik worked at the Minsk Automobile Plant (MAZ) Boss Design Office rather big-duty mining trucks. In a short time developed a two-axle MAZ-525 (capacity 25 tons) and three-axle MAZ-530 (capacity 40 tons). Release of the first launched in 1951, 2 - in 1960, while Boris L. at this time was on a work. MAZ-525 was the first Soviet trucks, power steering and planetary reduction gears main wheels. This car in 1951 was the most solid of Russian trucks, dump trucks. Prints him was ЯАЗ-210E (10 ton payload, the beginning of issue 1950). The layout and exterior MAZ-525 meet popular at the time in the domestic industry, although the front wheels are shifted closer to the cabin (at the MAZ-530 they are placed under a car). Location cab over the engine the first time (in 1958) used a UAZ, and further and MAZ. At the MAZ-530 was installed in the transmission torque converter and three-stage gearbox with a two-stage transfer case. Since 1960, the production of these vehicles have been transferred to the Belarusian Plant (BelAZ) in Zhodino, which replaced them in 1965 came BelAZ-540 and BelAZ-548 payload 27 and 40 tons in accordance with this. In 1954 at the initiative of Marshal Zhukov at Zile and MAZ were made by SKB for the Exploration of wheeled artillery tractors all-terrain. Since 1954 BL Shaposhnik - the main designer of SKB MAZ. Under his command was made gamma wheeled artillery tractor with 8x8, and then a series of chassis for self-propelled launchers rather big power. In the range of tractors includes 2 tractor for towing trailers - MAZ and MAZ-535A-537A and 2 tractors - MAZ-535V and MAZ-537, from whom 2 rear axle had equalizer suspension instead of the free. The degree of unification of all four cars was quite high, including the motor has been adopted for the same (D12A), although modifications in 2 different strengths (375 and 525 liters. Pp.). At MAZ-535A was a four-cabin in front of a motor bridge circuit transmission-free suspension of all wheels. Wheels dimension 1500h 500-635 with adjustable from 0,38 to 0,18 MPa pressure in the tires. Transmission hydromechanical (GMP) and three-opt Two-speed transfer box.
In 1968, BL Shaposhnikov and a group of his colleagues for being this kind of second-hand trucks was awarded the Treasury Award. But in the late 50-ies, in addition to strong truck that can carry missiles weighing tons, was formed in the greatest need for self-propelled wheeled landing gear, prepared for the missile launchers. These chassis were made in SDB ZIL, and Shaposhnik given the task of investigating the most solid chassis. He arrived at ZIL, which in combination with the main designer of the SKB ZIL VA Grachev has studied the likely solutions. The test showed that the variations of configurations "the nose of the rocket above the cab (as in the ZIL-135E and ZIL-135LM), and the rocket behind the cab (as in the ZIL-135K) did not take place: a very long proved to be a fresh rocket. In the investigation has been proposed layout of the chassis-cab, divided into 2 parts, between koimi was the nose of the rocket. Consequently, the length of the chassis together with the launcher receives the actual length equal to the rocket. Rapidly decreased and headroom. Soon propelled chassis MAZ-543 payload of 20 tons went into serial production. This chassis was almost entirely unified with the chassis truck tractor MAZ-537, differing from his cabin, divided by 2 double, with the seats "single file" and increased to 7.7 m wheelbase. MAZ-543 failed powerful, mobile, compact (overall volume of 11,7 x3, 0x3, 0 m), high cross, suitable for operation at temperatures from -40 to +50 oC. Production range 535-x and 537 x-tractor was transferred to Kurgan plant of wheeled tractors (KZKT). Developing for the Soviet Army specialized all-terrain vehicles and cargo capacity, SKB MAZ made addition and modification of these vehicles, prepared for the ethnic economy. As examples may lead tractor MAZ-537G (1960) with a two-axle semi-5247G, trubovoz MAZ-7910 chassis MAZ-543M with a double cab (1973), MAZ-7310 with a cargo platform payload of 20 tons, etc.
In 1973, for services to the substance of all-terrain vehicles and capacity BL Shaposhnik awarded the title Hero of Socialist Labor. Under the command of the designer and other studies were conducted. For example, was created by engineering wheeled tractor KZKT-538D, unified by the device with 535 tractors and 537, although the wheel formula 4x4. He had a motor 375 liters. pp., weight 18 tons, maximum speed 45 km / h and had the opportunity to work with various attachments. Subsequent studies of the strongest chassis for launchers, repeating the layout MAZ-543. It was discovered genus Redoubt, looking similar to the MAZ-543, but is more capacity, the most powerful engine (650 hp. Pp.) And other variables. Then discovered the MAZ-547 carrying capacity of 50 tons in addition to the shared cab Wagon bridge circuit transmission and controlled by the wheels of the front axle. Although the risen number of bridges - they become 6 - axle 12x12, and the wheelbase has increased (from 7,7 up to 10,9 m), used most solid tires (up 1600h600-685 instead 1500h500-635). Powerful became motor (550 kW or 748 liters. Pp.). This launcher medium-range RSD-10 (Ensemble "Pioneer") or SS-20 as it will be called overseas. Study MAZ-547 was spotted Shaposhnik Lenin Prize (1976). Even more impressive looks the most powerful rocket ensemble Topol on the MAZ-7917 with the wheel formula 14h12, developed in the 80's.
In 1985, Boris L. passed away. Although the usual laid them live - their continued collective koy was designed to replace the foundation in 1992, SKB MAZ Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT).
偶还是对这个情有独钟。

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hnyzvw 发表于 2010-1-4 20:08
这个是SS-5
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最具霸气奖。

SS-X-14

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现在外面最多的就是C.P. Vick的图,不过这张图可能更为可靠

不怕图少啊。

多多益善。



三个核弹偏心布置的证据?

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hnyzvw 发表于 2010-1-4 20:19


    这玩意的彩图还真是第一次看到[:a3:]
hnyzvw 发表于 2010-1-4 20:19

俺觉得吧,俺们村还就是俺最帅(SS15)

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SS15 发表于 2010-1-4 20:38

那个时候, 整个欧洲心脏都在加速。

这个比较牛。
hnyzvw 发表于 2010-1-4 20:24


155546.jpg
还是这个比较拉风

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回复 25# SS15


    这个在测试中发现通过性能很有问题,所以之后的导弹都搞轮式载具了
发怒了, 不好,

赶快跑啊。

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出来混,

靠的是啥?

轮子多呗。

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比牛掰, 还是这个吧。

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hnyzvw 发表于 2010-1-4 20:43

pioner_006.jpg
吓吓小朋友啦。

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SS15 发表于 2010-1-4 20:49

太慢了, 都扔完了。

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偶们的青葱岁月啊......[:a12:]


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这个是SS-5
dark_knight 发表于 2010-1-4 20:14


偶认为这个是 SS-4,8K63。不过俺对俄毛子的液体弹不大感兴趣。

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这个是SS-5
dark_knight 发表于 2010-1-4 20:14


偶认为这个是 SS-4,8K63。不过俺对俄毛子的液体弹不大感兴趣。

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支持精品原创!hnyzvw兄好好搞,然后加精!
很有气势的一张。
前苏联战略火箭军在冷战高峰期,仅SS20一个型号一年就打了100多枚,俺们......:')

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毛子国的训练真是 TMD 的贴近实战,小白兔应当加强学习
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不光有机枪塔可玩
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连轮式步战都是标配,过分。观念、观念的差距,小白兔和北极熊。
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毛子国的训练真是 TMD 的贴近实战,小白兔应当加强学习
15b148_15b231.jpg


不光有机枪塔可玩
pioner_2007_02_15.jpg


连轮式步战都是标配,过分。观念、观念的差距,小白兔和北极熊。
pioner_020.jpg