印度实乃世界糟践中心

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都说中国造舰既快又好还省。其实呢,印度才既便宜又麻溜着呢。:D:D

India: Global hub for warship-building
By Ajai Shukla
December 15, 2009

Strategic circles are abuzz with rumours that the United Kingdom will soon offer India [ Images ] one of the new-generation aircraft carriers that it is constructing, since they are turning out too expensive for the Royal Navy to afford. Interestingly, India will almost certainly turn down the offer.

The Royal Navy had planned to build two Carrier Vessels Future (CVFs): the 65,000 tonne HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.

With the budgeted price of US $6.4 billion (Rs 30,000 crore) for the pair, now apparently the cost of each, building a third and selling it abroad is an option being considered to reduce the unit price.

But, in contrast to this exorbitant price, the cost of India's 44,000 tonne Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC), under construction at Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL), is barely a third of the Queen Elizabeth.

And the Indian Navy's next IAC, a 60,000 tonne behemoth like the Queen Elizabeth, will cost less than half its British counterpart.

In the gloomy framework of Indian defence production, warship-building has emerged as a silver lining.

The Kolkata [ Images ] class destroyers, being built at Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai [ Images ], will cost the navy Rs 3,800 crore (Rs 38 billion) each, one-third the global price for comparative warships.

The INS Shivalik, now completing sea trials, is a world-class frigate built at Indian prices. Earlier this year, addressing an industries body, the Indian Navy's chief designer, Rear Admiral MK Badhwar, called for making India a global hub for building warships.

While his appeal might have been tinged with strategic motivation - a larger warship industry would bring down unit prices, providing the navy with even more bang for the buck - there is little doubt that shipbuilders would profit more from crafting warships than from slapping together merchant vessels.

India has developed the capabilities, including, crucially, the design expertise, to produce world-class warships. But the defence shipyards do not have the capacity to meet even the Indian Navy's needs; playing the international warship market needs clear-sighted government intervention to synergise the working of public and private shipbuilders.

Building a merchant ship is a relatively cheap and simple process, from design to outfitting. Essentially, it involves welding together a hull (often from imported steel) and then installing imported systems such as engines, radars, the steering, navigation and communications systems, and some specialist systems, e.g. for cargo handling.

Imported components form the bulk of the cost, with little value addition within the shipyard. A commercial shipyard's business plan revolves around bulk manufacture, compensating for the small profit margins by churning out as many ships as possible.

Creating a warship is infinitely more complex, and expensive. The design process is critical, with complex software shaping the "stealthiest" possible ship, virtually undetectable to an enemy. Next, a host of sensors and weapons must be accommodated to deal with different threats: enemy ships, submarines, aircraft and incoming missiles.

Harmonising their different frequencies, and canalising information and weapons control into a single command centre, involves weaving an elaborate electronic tapestry.

Actually building the warship is a labour-intensive task, which involves painstakingly duplicating key systems so that the vessel can sail and fight even with one side blown out by the enemy. More than 400 kilometres of wiring must be laid out inside, all of it marked and accessible to permit repair and maintenance. A modern frigate has 25 kilometres of pipelines, built from 10,000 separate pieces of piping.

All this generates many jobs. An army of skilled craftsmen, many more than in merchant shipbuilding, does most of this work manually, through an elaborate eco-system of 100-200 private firms feeding into each warship.

And these numbers are growing as defence shipyards increasingly outsource, using their own employees only for core activities like hull fabrication; fitting propulsion equipment; and installing weapon systems and sensors.

In this manpower-intensive field, India enjoys obvious advantages over the European warship builders that rule the market. These advantages are far less pronounced in merchant shipbuilding, where Korean and Chinese shipyards are turbocharged by a combination of inexpensive labour, indirect subsidies, and unflinching government support.

What makes India a potential powerhouse in warship-building is not so much its labour-cost advantage as a strong design capability that the navy has carefully nurtured since 1954, when the Directorate General of Naval Design first took shape.

The importance of design capability has been amply illustrated in the bloated CVF programme. The UK, having wound up its naval design bureau, has already paid over a billion dollars to private companies to design the aircraft carrier.

And with every minor redesign, not unusual while building a new warship, the design bill and the programme cost goes higher.

India has everything it takes to be a warship-building superpower: the springboard of design expertise; cheap and skilled labour; and mounting experience in building successful warships.

What it lacks is capacity, which the government can augment with the help of private shipyards. This will significantly augment private shipyard revenue, boost defence exports, and provide the government with another strategic tool for furthering its interests in the Indian Ocean region.

http://business.rediff.com/colum ... arship-building.htm

都说中国造舰既快又好还省。其实呢,印度才既便宜又麻溜着呢。:D:D

India: Global hub for warship-building
By Ajai Shukla
December 15, 2009

Strategic circles are abuzz with rumours that the United Kingdom will soon offer India [ Images ] one of the new-generation aircraft carriers that it is constructing, since they are turning out too expensive for the Royal Navy to afford. Interestingly, India will almost certainly turn down the offer.

The Royal Navy had planned to build two Carrier Vessels Future (CVFs): the 65,000 tonne HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.

With the budgeted price of US $6.4 billion (Rs 30,000 crore) for the pair, now apparently the cost of each, building a third and selling it abroad is an option being considered to reduce the unit price.

But, in contrast to this exorbitant price, the cost of India's 44,000 tonne Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC), under construction at Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL), is barely a third of the Queen Elizabeth.

And the Indian Navy's next IAC, a 60,000 tonne behemoth like the Queen Elizabeth, will cost less than half its British counterpart.

In the gloomy framework of Indian defence production, warship-building has emerged as a silver lining.

The Kolkata [ Images ] class destroyers, being built at Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai [ Images ], will cost the navy Rs 3,800 crore (Rs 38 billion) each, one-third the global price for comparative warships.

The INS Shivalik, now completing sea trials, is a world-class frigate built at Indian prices. Earlier this year, addressing an industries body, the Indian Navy's chief designer, Rear Admiral MK Badhwar, called for making India a global hub for building warships.

While his appeal might have been tinged with strategic motivation - a larger warship industry would bring down unit prices, providing the navy with even more bang for the buck - there is little doubt that shipbuilders would profit more from crafting warships than from slapping together merchant vessels.

India has developed the capabilities, including, crucially, the design expertise, to produce world-class warships. But the defence shipyards do not have the capacity to meet even the Indian Navy's needs; playing the international warship market needs clear-sighted government intervention to synergise the working of public and private shipbuilders.

Building a merchant ship is a relatively cheap and simple process, from design to outfitting. Essentially, it involves welding together a hull (often from imported steel) and then installing imported systems such as engines, radars, the steering, navigation and communications systems, and some specialist systems, e.g. for cargo handling.

Imported components form the bulk of the cost, with little value addition within the shipyard. A commercial shipyard's business plan revolves around bulk manufacture, compensating for the small profit margins by churning out as many ships as possible.

Creating a warship is infinitely more complex, and expensive. The design process is critical, with complex software shaping the "stealthiest" possible ship, virtually undetectable to an enemy. Next, a host of sensors and weapons must be accommodated to deal with different threats: enemy ships, submarines, aircraft and incoming missiles.

Harmonising their different frequencies, and canalising information and weapons control into a single command centre, involves weaving an elaborate electronic tapestry.

Actually building the warship is a labour-intensive task, which involves painstakingly duplicating key systems so that the vessel can sail and fight even with one side blown out by the enemy. More than 400 kilometres of wiring must be laid out inside, all of it marked and accessible to permit repair and maintenance. A modern frigate has 25 kilometres of pipelines, built from 10,000 separate pieces of piping.

All this generates many jobs. An army of skilled craftsmen, many more than in merchant shipbuilding, does most of this work manually, through an elaborate eco-system of 100-200 private firms feeding into each warship.

And these numbers are growing as defence shipyards increasingly outsource, using their own employees only for core activities like hull fabrication; fitting propulsion equipment; and installing weapon systems and sensors.

In this manpower-intensive field, India enjoys obvious advantages over the European warship builders that rule the market. These advantages are far less pronounced in merchant shipbuilding, where Korean and Chinese shipyards are turbocharged by a combination of inexpensive labour, indirect subsidies, and unflinching government support.

What makes India a potential powerhouse in warship-building is not so much its labour-cost advantage as a strong design capability that the navy has carefully nurtured since 1954, when the Directorate General of Naval Design first took shape.

The importance of design capability has been amply illustrated in the bloated CVF programme. The UK, having wound up its naval design bureau, has already paid over a billion dollars to private companies to design the aircraft carrier.

And with every minor redesign, not unusual while building a new warship, the design bill and the programme cost goes higher.

India has everything it takes to be a warship-building superpower: the springboard of design expertise; cheap and skilled labour; and mounting experience in building successful warships.

What it lacks is capacity, which the government can augment with the help of private shipyards. This will significantly augment private shipyard revenue, boost defence exports, and provide the government with another strategic tool for furthering its interests in the Indian Ocean region.

http://business.rediff.com/colum ... arship-building.htm
沙发,表扬一下LZ,不辞辛苦发英文版消息
太长没看完  感觉就是3G大吹特吹自己造的船造价低  船的水平是世界级的  约翰的航妈造价被BS了  说自家造的同类航妈造价比伊丽莎白一半还要低    后面开始拍政府的马屁    忽悠拨款


And the Indian Navy's next IAC, a 60,000 tonne behemoth like the Queen Elizabeth, will cost less than half its British counterpart.

one-third the global price for comparative warships.

......
我无语..

And the Indian Navy's next IAC, a 60,000 tonne behemoth like the Queen Elizabeth, will cost less than half its British counterpart.

one-third the global price for comparative warships.

......
我无语..
glonline 发表于 2009-12-15 18:11


    3G吃苦耐劳  吃的是草  挤的是奶   人工费低    ;P
百年海军,千年造船
putorcall 发表于 2009-12-15 18:15


    怪不得3G那么崇拜牛呢,原来如此啊{:3_98:}
囧 话说这是忽悠来的吧
lz,请问没有三哥你每天的生活会是多么的无聊呢?所以不要太打击三哥搞笑的积极性啊
三弟的造船业还得有段过程
人家总要吃饭的.......
power1986 发表于 2009-12-15 21:58


    三锅总是要搞笑的!
哈哈哈
伟大的翻译工具:

战略界都充斥着谣言,英国将很快提供印度[图片]的新一代航母,这是建设一个,因为他们把为皇家海军太贵,不能负担。有趣的是,印度几乎肯定会拒绝的提议。

皇家海军已计划兴建两条运输船的未来(CVFs):65,000吨的伊丽莎白女皇号和HMS威尔士亲王。

随着美国预算价为64亿美元(3000亿卢比)的两人,现在显然是每个成本,建设和销售三分之一在国外正考虑降低单价一种选择。

但是,与此相反,在高昂的价格,印度的44,000吨土著航母(IAC)的成本在科钦船厂下有限公司(联俊达)的建设,是几乎三分之一的伊丽莎白女王。

而印度海军的下一个合家欢,像英国女王伊丽莎白60000吨的庞然大物,将花费不到一半的英方。

在印度国防生产,军舰暗淡建设框架,已成为一个一线希望。

在加尔各答[图片]级驱逐舰,正在兴建马扎冈船坞有限公司,孟买[图片],将耗资3,800卢比海军亿卢比(380亿美元),每年三分之一的全球价格比较军舰。

移民局什瓦利克,现在完成试航,是一个世界级护卫舰的价格在印度兴建。今年早些时候,解决一个行业的机构,印度海军的首席设计师,旺角Badhwar少将,负责制定印度军舰,为建设所谓的全球中心。

虽然他的上诉可能被染上了战略动机 - 一个更大的军舰行业将降低单价,海军提供了更的价位 - 毫无疑问的造船厂将受益于木器比打耳光一起商船战舰更多。

印度已研制方面的能力,最关键的,是专业设计,生产世界一流的战舰。不过辩方船厂没有能力应付,甚至印度海军的需求;打国际舰艇市场的需要明确的有远见的政府干预,以协同的公共和私人造船厂工作。

一艘商船建设是一个相对便宜和简单的过程,从设计到装备。从本质上讲,它涉及船体焊接在一起(通常是由进口钢材),然后安装,如发动机,雷达输入系统,转向系统,导航和通讯系统,以及一些专家系统,例如:货物装卸。

进口零部件构成了成本的大部分,小船厂内增值。阿商业造船厂的业务计划围绕批量制造,小利润补偿的搅动尽可能多的船只进行。

创建军舰是无限更加复杂和昂贵。设计过程是至关重要的,复杂的塑造“stealthiest”可能的销售软件,几乎无法被探测到敌人。接下来,一个由传感器和武器的主机必须得到满足,处理不同的威胁:敌方舰艇,潜艇,飞机和来袭导弹。

调和其不同的频率,并canalising到一个单一的指挥中心和武器控制的信息,涉及一个精心编织的电子挂毯。

其实建设的军舰是一个劳力密集的任务,它涉及精心复制的关键系统,使该船可航行,甚至炸毁敌出一方的斗争。 400多公里的线路必须制定出里面,这一切明显和方便,允许维修和保养。现代护卫舰有25公里的管道,从10,000件单独的管道建成。

这一切都产生大量的就业机会。一个熟练的工匠军队,许多商人超过造船,是否这项工作的大部分手动,通过一个精心生态系统的100-200喂养到每艘私人公司。

这些人数在不断增加国防船厂越来越多地外包,只用像船体制造的核心活动自己的员工,配推进设备和安装武器系统和传感器。

在这个人力密集型领域,印度,享有对欧洲军舰制造商优势明显,这条规则的市场。这些优势是明显少得多,在商业造船,在韩国和中国造船厂是由廉价劳动力,间接补贴相结合涡轮增压,政府的支持和坚定的。

是什么让印度潜在的巨头在军舰的建设不在于它的劳动力作为一个强大的设计能力,海军自1954年以来一直认真,当海军设计总局第一次形成了培养成本优势。

在设计能力的重要性已充分说明了臃肿的CVF计划。英国后,结束了其海军设计局,已支付了1亿美元,向私营公司设计的航空母舰。

随着每一次轻微的重新设计,并不少见,而建立一个新的战舰,法案的设计和方案的费用将更高。

印度拥有一切,要想军舰建设超级大国:专业的设计跳板,廉价和熟练劳动力,建筑和安装在军舰的成功经验。

就是缺乏能力,这可以增加政府与私人造船厂的帮助。这将大大增加私人造船厂收入,增加国防出口,并为进一步另一个在印度洋地区的利益,政府的战略工具。


文中说, 印度的种性制度,, 有几亿会说话的牲畜











文中说, 印度的种性制度,, 有几亿会说话的牲畜













回复 1# 既非人又非鬼


    超过5行的英文,不看!
:o仅供参考
扫的好图,看得很清楚,文章也好,3q
A3应该是Global hub for all weapons-building:D
amorphousbug 发表于 2009-12-16 00:09

中国哪天能有印度的“自信”呢?:D
回复 16# 冷思


    好文章,这是我见过的对印度最深入的剖析。
印度就是一个很二的国家。。明明穷不拉叽的,还硬要说自己是什么超级大国{:qiliang:}
igoodtime 发表于 2009-12-16 10:06

  文中: 有几亿的会说话的牲畜,  太损了  

这篇文章的是网天版主 博扬的文章
又是翻译机又是图,看得我两眼直冒酸水
冷思 发表于 2009-12-15 23:31


    以前读过  再温习一遍
阿三造出来过几艘重量级的船呀。
18楼亮了,
三哥总是那么幽默:D
冷思转的文章很棒,顶一个。如果作者再提出一个对付三哥的法子来那是再好不过了
骗钱的事情
我又想起航天二院的钓鱼项目红旗9了
红旗九毕竟比阿什卡强吧?
大飞鸡 发表于 2009-12-16 02:27


张少将这话说的太直白了,俗话说当着矮人不说短话么。。。。。。{:jian:}
觉得印度人多感觉较好,以自我为中心。有回出差坐商务舱过道对面坐一印度老太,半夜里估计是有什么事,从包里掏出一小铃铛就摇,结果招来一空姐一把就把铃铛给没收了,一通数落,你当这是你家里叫佣人呢,没见邻居们都睡了吗,人家明天还要上班呐!
风起南亚这篇文章,写的确实不错,看的出,文主在写这篇文章时,对印度的经济.社会.工业都做了大量的调查.很有价值的文章. 不过,文主只说了印度社会的弊端问题,没有说出它的优点,任何制度都是有优有劣的,印度这个国家之所以近10年能保持经济高速增长,主要得宜于其宗教中的消极思想,软化了贫富过度悬殊造成的社会矛盾激化.
另外无论种姓 私人财团势力 政党势力在一次次的利益斗争中,始终保持着一种利益折中的平衡.最后就是其完全依靠西方资本垂直分工体系下的中底层服务业为主的经济发展动力,已经充分说明了只要西方发展,印度就能吃人口红利,就能快速发展,反之则衰退.

今年上半年很明显的例证就是,印度总说自己是内需型经济,不会受金融危机冲击,结果在新兴经济体中增长率下滑幅度较大的是它 受外因影响较大的也是它,尤其是它的软件产业上半年增长速度大幅下降.多亏西方的这次金融危机恢复的快,下半年美国带头恢复,救了印度的经济,其经济也回到了去年增长的水平.

不过其工业依然没有实质性的进步.基础依然萦弱.
字太多了,但是印度虽然是糟蹋,可是人家真有不少能早他的,咱们都没什么能买来糟蹋得了
阿三也是可怜啊,辛辛苦苦攒点银子还没捂热就被人家忽悠走了。
无语
三哥又唻了....好 一個三哥 換TG20年發展把
冷思 发表于 2009-12-15 23:18
谢谢发文,但您好象落了一页,第14页。
英文长文本来看着就吃力,结果发现看完了后,又被三哥涮了一把,他ND,真杯具啊。