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Reiman pledges Russian processors and RAM （俄）信息技术部长誓言拥有俄罗斯的处理器和内存芯片
发表于 17.03.2008
原文：
Leonid Reiman claims that in 2009 processors and memory for PCs will be produced in Zelenograd. The Minister did not name those, who would be engaged in production. However, there are only two large microelectronics producers in Zelenograd, i.e. Angstrem and Micron. They are known to have reacted differently to the minister’s statement.
Leonid Reiman, Minister of IT and Communications, speaking in the State Duma on March 12th announced the intention to develop a PC in Russia costing about $400. Answering the deputies’ questions about constituents for such PCs, Mr. Reiman said that in 2009 one of enterprises in Zelenograd would present its own microprocessors and RAM, news and information agencies report. The minister believes production of such compounds in Russia might enable the country to advance the country’s technological independence. The given information was confirmed in the press service at the Ministry of IT and Communications.
Mr. Reiman did not tell, who would produce PCs costing $400. The Minister did not also name the enterprise that would produce processors and memory for Russian computers.
Two large enterprises engaged in production of microelectronics - Micron affiliated with the Sitronics Concern (belongs to JSFC Sistema) and Angstrem, whose controlling shareholder is the businessman Sergey Veremeenko, the former manager of Mezhprombank - are operating in Zelenograd.
Both enterprises confirm to be ready to produce memory. ‘In 2007 we launched EEPROM 0.18 mkm production, which is currently operating in test mode, - tells Karina Abagyan, Micron’s CMO. - Our technology allows producing memory chips. Micron’s design center has developed RAM of 4 Kb and tested the pilot run’.
Analysts are sure that the Russians might succeed on the memory market. ‘The market is segmented. There are various specialized lines and new ones are emerging, - says Sergey Shalmanov, expert at CNews Analytics. - Greater success might be achieved in the given niches, as expenditure on implementing into technological chains is much lower than on the processor market. Much less spending on legal support of business related to efficient management of intellectual property including its protection through patents and otherwise is required’.
Leonid Reiman hopes in 2009 Russia will present its own processors and RAM
As for microprocessors, Micron has developed specialized processors for smart-cards, which are 0.18 mkm primary technology market, says a representative of Zelenograd enterprise. GPP and DSP processor kernels are used in chipsets for GLONASS/GPS, digital TV and in many other telecom and multimedia devices. ‘Processors for PCs is a separate market, where there are only two large players, i.e. Intel and AMD, - says Ms Abagyan. - No new players have entered the market over the last ten years. Being a commercial enterprise, we understand that it is senseless to pretend for the given market, as, first of all, CMOS technologies for 65-45 nm are being currently used there, and secondly, microprocessors represent intellectual property that should be either licensed or developed for many years’.
Angstrem is more optimistic regarding the future of Russian processors for PCs. Victor Enns, deputy director on integrated circuit design at Angstrem, tells CNews there are several design centers in Russia, which have developed contemporary processors. The given centers are negotiating with Angstrem the possibility to produce their chips. As for processors for PCs, Mr. Enns believes ‘under certain prices for certain goods’, they will be able to compete with the US chips. Victor Enns does not agree to the doubts of his colleagues from Micron saying that a stronger school and a range of design centers have been formed round Angstrem as compared to Micron.
Mr. Enns believes that production of processors might be launched at Angstem by the end of 2009. The equipment bought from AMD is also planned to be launched into exploitation by this time. It should be noted, that the transaction between Angstrem and AMD was first announced in late 2006. In November 2007 AMD announced entering the final stage to conclude the transaction. Currently, according to Victor Enns, final steps are being undertaken in the mentioned direction. ‘The meeting of the supervisory board headed by Mr. Zubkov held on February 14th, where the state’s interest in the given project was confirmed, provided the additional impetus, - says Mr. Enns. - Vnesheconombank received the government approval and further financing was approved’.
Analysts are rather cautious regarding production of microprocessors for PCs in Russia. ‘To establish successful business on the market of processors for PCs and other digital devices means substantial investment over a short period of time into development and management, including intellectual property protection on the international market but not a single country or several countries’, - says Sergey Shalmanov. Furthermore, he believes products should be build into processor chains regarding fast updating of digital devices and their constituents; one should initially possess millions of dollars to be spent on possible trials in court; much should be invested into personnel training, etc.
‘Russia does not posses such investment funds although the oil price is rather high, while risks on the given market are incomparable with the markets of other constituents, - thinks Mr. Shalmanov. - Peculiarity of the given market is that most finance goes to the leader, and even if a company ranks second it is practically unlikely to succeed. Companies No 3 and 4 are even in a more complicated position, so to count all the players there are enough fingers on one hand. Attempting to establish successful large-scale business buying licenses to produce the products already developed by the leaders is rather complicated’.
其他信息报道：
来自俄罗斯的CPU Elbarus下月发售（2005年04月04日）
现如今市场上的主流处理器产品只有两大龙头在争斗，那就是英特尔与AMD，以前百家争鸣的市场格局早已一去不复返了。我们现在接触的处理器无非就是Pentium4、Celeron、Athlon64等处理器产品，玩来玩去一点新意都没有，想换换“口味”吗？今天我们就给大家介绍一个来自俄罗斯的最新处理器产品——Elbarus。
这款处理器具体详细资料我们还不是很清楚，Elbarus处理器分为两种，一种是兼容英特尔LGA775平台的处理器产品，另一种是兼容AMD Socket939/754平台的处理器产品。从外观上及其他方面来看，这种处理器可能是俄罗斯重新开发或者是改进的。
图为：CPU
在Elbarus处理器的内部，采用我们现在讨论的热门双核心兼容体系，它兼容现如今英特尔和AMD处理器的32位和64位代码。Elbarus最独特之处在于在处理器内部的双核心中其中一颗完全支持Pentium 4代码体系，另外一颗完全支持Athlon代码体系。也就是说，Elbarus同时兼容现有的LGA775和Soket939/Soket754平台。投产后将分别对不同的平台制造专有的CPU以供不同的消费者选购。
CPU内部由特殊的“导轨”将这两颗核心连接以区分到底使用哪颗核心加载代码。系统将把Elbarus识别成Pentium 4EE和Athlon 64 FX。这种Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式发售，最高等级的Elbarus为+PX4000，具体频率我们还不知道。
俄罗斯在双核CPU市场上的超级核武器
据悉，再过几天，我们将可以看到一支由俄罗斯人研发出来的双核心处理器。目前我们还没有得到更详细的技术资料，只是初步了解到这种CPU是由俄罗斯开发或者改进的，被命名为“Elbarus”。
在Elbarus处理器内部，俄罗斯开发者采用了我们最近经常讨论的双核心架构，Elbarus兼容现有Intel和AMD两家公司处理器的所有32位和64位微指令。这款双核心Elbarus处理器的独有设计简直让人叹为观止：这款双核心处理器内部的一个核心完全支持Intel的Pentium 4架构，而另外一个核心则完全支持AMD的Athlon架构。双核心Elbarus处理器同时支持现有的LGA775和Soket939/Soket754平台，投产后将分别针对对不同的平台设计不同的处理器产品，以供消费者们自由选购。
这款双核心Elbarus处理器内部的两个核心由专门的“导轨”连接在一起，以区分到底使用哪颗核心加载微指令，操作系统在工作的时候将把Elbarus处理器识别成是Pentium 4EE和Athlon 64 FX。
这款双核心Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式开卖，最高等级的Elbarus处理器代号为+PX4000，目前厂商还没有公布具体的工作主频，相信不久后我们就能够在市场上看到这款“独特”的处理器产品。Reiman pledges Russian processors and RAM （俄）信息技术部长誓言拥有俄罗斯的处理器和内存芯片
发表于 17.03.2008
原文：
Leonid Reiman claims that in 2009 processors and memory for PCs will be produced in Zelenograd. The Minister did not name those, who would be engaged in production. However, there are only two large microelectronics producers in Zelenograd, i.e. Angstrem and Micron. They are known to have reacted differently to the minister’s statement.
Leonid Reiman, Minister of IT and Communications, speaking in the State Duma on March 12th announced the intention to develop a PC in Russia costing about $400. Answering the deputies’ questions about constituents for such PCs, Mr. Reiman said that in 2009 one of enterprises in Zelenograd would present its own microprocessors and RAM, news and information agencies report. The minister believes production of such compounds in Russia might enable the country to advance the country’s technological independence. The given information was confirmed in the press service at the Ministry of IT and Communications.
Mr. Reiman did not tell, who would produce PCs costing $400. The Minister did not also name the enterprise that would produce processors and memory for Russian computers.
Two large enterprises engaged in production of microelectronics - Micron affiliated with the Sitronics Concern (belongs to JSFC Sistema) and Angstrem, whose controlling shareholder is the businessman Sergey Veremeenko, the former manager of Mezhprombank - are operating in Zelenograd.
Both enterprises confirm to be ready to produce memory. ‘In 2007 we launched EEPROM 0.18 mkm production, which is currently operating in test mode, - tells Karina Abagyan, Micron’s CMO. - Our technology allows producing memory chips. Micron’s design center has developed RAM of 4 Kb and tested the pilot run’.
Analysts are sure that the Russians might succeed on the memory market. ‘The market is segmented. There are various specialized lines and new ones are emerging, - says Sergey Shalmanov, expert at CNews Analytics. - Greater success might be achieved in the given niches, as expenditure on implementing into technological chains is much lower than on the processor market. Much less spending on legal support of business related to efficient management of intellectual property including its protection through patents and otherwise is required’.
Leonid Reiman hopes in 2009 Russia will present its own processors and RAM
As for microprocessors, Micron has developed specialized processors for smart-cards, which are 0.18 mkm primary technology market, says a representative of Zelenograd enterprise. GPP and DSP processor kernels are used in chipsets for GLONASS/GPS, digital TV and in many other telecom and multimedia devices. ‘Processors for PCs is a separate market, where there are only two large players, i.e. Intel and AMD, - says Ms Abagyan. - No new players have entered the market over the last ten years. Being a commercial enterprise, we understand that it is senseless to pretend for the given market, as, first of all, CMOS technologies for 65-45 nm are being currently used there, and secondly, microprocessors represent intellectual property that should be either licensed or developed for many years’.
Angstrem is more optimistic regarding the future of Russian processors for PCs. Victor Enns, deputy director on integrated circuit design at Angstrem, tells CNews there are several design centers in Russia, which have developed contemporary processors. The given centers are negotiating with Angstrem the possibility to produce their chips. As for processors for PCs, Mr. Enns believes ‘under certain prices for certain goods’, they will be able to compete with the US chips. Victor Enns does not agree to the doubts of his colleagues from Micron saying that a stronger school and a range of design centers have been formed round Angstrem as compared to Micron.
Mr. Enns believes that production of processors might be launched at Angstem by the end of 2009. The equipment bought from AMD is also planned to be launched into exploitation by this time. It should be noted, that the transaction between Angstrem and AMD was first announced in late 2006. In November 2007 AMD announced entering the final stage to conclude the transaction. Currently, according to Victor Enns, final steps are being undertaken in the mentioned direction. ‘The meeting of the supervisory board headed by Mr. Zubkov held on February 14th, where the state’s interest in the given project was confirmed, provided the additional impetus, - says Mr. Enns. - Vnesheconombank received the government approval and further financing was approved’.
Analysts are rather cautious regarding production of microprocessors for PCs in Russia. ‘To establish successful business on the market of processors for PCs and other digital devices means substantial investment over a short period of time into development and management, including intellectual property protection on the international market but not a single country or several countries’, - says Sergey Shalmanov. Furthermore, he believes products should be build into processor chains regarding fast updating of digital devices and their constituents; one should initially possess millions of dollars to be spent on possible trials in court; much should be invested into personnel training, etc.
‘Russia does not posses such investment funds although the oil price is rather high, while risks on the given market are incomparable with the markets of other constituents, - thinks Mr. Shalmanov. - Peculiarity of the given market is that most finance goes to the leader, and even if a company ranks second it is practically unlikely to succeed. Companies No 3 and 4 are even in a more complicated position, so to count all the players there are enough fingers on one hand. Attempting to establish successful large-scale business buying licenses to produce the products already developed by the leaders is rather complicated’.
其他信息报道：
来自俄罗斯的CPU Elbarus下月发售（2005年04月04日）
现如今市场上的主流处理器产品只有两大龙头在争斗，那就是英特尔与AMD，以前百家争鸣的市场格局早已一去不复返了。我们现在接触的处理器无非就是Pentium4、Celeron、Athlon64等处理器产品，玩来玩去一点新意都没有，想换换“口味”吗？今天我们就给大家介绍一个来自俄罗斯的最新处理器产品——Elbarus。
这款处理器具体详细资料我们还不是很清楚，Elbarus处理器分为两种，一种是兼容英特尔LGA775平台的处理器产品，另一种是兼容AMD Socket939/754平台的处理器产品。从外观上及其他方面来看，这种处理器可能是俄罗斯重新开发或者是改进的。
图为：CPU
在Elbarus处理器的内部，采用我们现在讨论的热门双核心兼容体系，它兼容现如今英特尔和AMD处理器的32位和64位代码。Elbarus最独特之处在于在处理器内部的双核心中其中一颗完全支持Pentium 4代码体系，另外一颗完全支持Athlon代码体系。也就是说，Elbarus同时兼容现有的LGA775和Soket939/Soket754平台。投产后将分别对不同的平台制造专有的CPU以供不同的消费者选购。
CPU内部由特殊的“导轨”将这两颗核心连接以区分到底使用哪颗核心加载代码。系统将把Elbarus识别成Pentium 4EE和Athlon 64 FX。这种Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式发售，最高等级的Elbarus为+PX4000，具体频率我们还不知道。
俄罗斯在双核CPU市场上的超级核武器
据悉，再过几天，我们将可以看到一支由俄罗斯人研发出来的双核心处理器。目前我们还没有得到更详细的技术资料，只是初步了解到这种CPU是由俄罗斯开发或者改进的，被命名为“Elbarus”。
在Elbarus处理器内部，俄罗斯开发者采用了我们最近经常讨论的双核心架构，Elbarus兼容现有Intel和AMD两家公司处理器的所有32位和64位微指令。这款双核心Elbarus处理器的独有设计简直让人叹为观止：这款双核心处理器内部的一个核心完全支持Intel的Pentium 4架构，而另外一个核心则完全支持AMD的Athlon架构。双核心Elbarus处理器同时支持现有的LGA775和Soket939/Soket754平台，投产后将分别针对对不同的平台设计不同的处理器产品，以供消费者们自由选购。
这款双核心Elbarus处理器内部的两个核心由专门的“导轨”连接在一起，以区分到底使用哪颗核心加载微指令，操作系统在工作的时候将把Elbarus处理器识别成是Pentium 4EE和Athlon 64 FX。
这款双核心Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式开卖，最高等级的Elbarus处理器代号为+PX4000，目前厂商还没有公布具体的工作主频，相信不久后我们就能够在市场上看到这款“独特”的处理器产品。
发表于 17.03.2008
原文：
Leonid Reiman claims that in 2009 processors and memory for PCs will be produced in Zelenograd. The Minister did not name those, who would be engaged in production. However, there are only two large microelectronics producers in Zelenograd, i.e. Angstrem and Micron. They are known to have reacted differently to the minister’s statement.
Leonid Reiman, Minister of IT and Communications, speaking in the State Duma on March 12th announced the intention to develop a PC in Russia costing about $400. Answering the deputies’ questions about constituents for such PCs, Mr. Reiman said that in 2009 one of enterprises in Zelenograd would present its own microprocessors and RAM, news and information agencies report. The minister believes production of such compounds in Russia might enable the country to advance the country’s technological independence. The given information was confirmed in the press service at the Ministry of IT and Communications.
Mr. Reiman did not tell, who would produce PCs costing $400. The Minister did not also name the enterprise that would produce processors and memory for Russian computers.
Two large enterprises engaged in production of microelectronics - Micron affiliated with the Sitronics Concern (belongs to JSFC Sistema) and Angstrem, whose controlling shareholder is the businessman Sergey Veremeenko, the former manager of Mezhprombank - are operating in Zelenograd.
Both enterprises confirm to be ready to produce memory. ‘In 2007 we launched EEPROM 0.18 mkm production, which is currently operating in test mode, - tells Karina Abagyan, Micron’s CMO. - Our technology allows producing memory chips. Micron’s design center has developed RAM of 4 Kb and tested the pilot run’.
Analysts are sure that the Russians might succeed on the memory market. ‘The market is segmented. There are various specialized lines and new ones are emerging, - says Sergey Shalmanov, expert at CNews Analytics. - Greater success might be achieved in the given niches, as expenditure on implementing into technological chains is much lower than on the processor market. Much less spending on legal support of business related to efficient management of intellectual property including its protection through patents and otherwise is required’.
Leonid Reiman hopes in 2009 Russia will present its own processors and RAM
As for microprocessors, Micron has developed specialized processors for smart-cards, which are 0.18 mkm primary technology market, says a representative of Zelenograd enterprise. GPP and DSP processor kernels are used in chipsets for GLONASS/GPS, digital TV and in many other telecom and multimedia devices. ‘Processors for PCs is a separate market, where there are only two large players, i.e. Intel and AMD, - says Ms Abagyan. - No new players have entered the market over the last ten years. Being a commercial enterprise, we understand that it is senseless to pretend for the given market, as, first of all, CMOS technologies for 65-45 nm are being currently used there, and secondly, microprocessors represent intellectual property that should be either licensed or developed for many years’.
Angstrem is more optimistic regarding the future of Russian processors for PCs. Victor Enns, deputy director on integrated circuit design at Angstrem, tells CNews there are several design centers in Russia, which have developed contemporary processors. The given centers are negotiating with Angstrem the possibility to produce their chips. As for processors for PCs, Mr. Enns believes ‘under certain prices for certain goods’, they will be able to compete with the US chips. Victor Enns does not agree to the doubts of his colleagues from Micron saying that a stronger school and a range of design centers have been formed round Angstrem as compared to Micron.
Mr. Enns believes that production of processors might be launched at Angstem by the end of 2009. The equipment bought from AMD is also planned to be launched into exploitation by this time. It should be noted, that the transaction between Angstrem and AMD was first announced in late 2006. In November 2007 AMD announced entering the final stage to conclude the transaction. Currently, according to Victor Enns, final steps are being undertaken in the mentioned direction. ‘The meeting of the supervisory board headed by Mr. Zubkov held on February 14th, where the state’s interest in the given project was confirmed, provided the additional impetus, - says Mr. Enns. - Vnesheconombank received the government approval and further financing was approved’.
Analysts are rather cautious regarding production of microprocessors for PCs in Russia. ‘To establish successful business on the market of processors for PCs and other digital devices means substantial investment over a short period of time into development and management, including intellectual property protection on the international market but not a single country or several countries’, - says Sergey Shalmanov. Furthermore, he believes products should be build into processor chains regarding fast updating of digital devices and their constituents; one should initially possess millions of dollars to be spent on possible trials in court; much should be invested into personnel training, etc.
‘Russia does not posses such investment funds although the oil price is rather high, while risks on the given market are incomparable with the markets of other constituents, - thinks Mr. Shalmanov. - Peculiarity of the given market is that most finance goes to the leader, and even if a company ranks second it is practically unlikely to succeed. Companies No 3 and 4 are even in a more complicated position, so to count all the players there are enough fingers on one hand. Attempting to establish successful large-scale business buying licenses to produce the products already developed by the leaders is rather complicated’.
其他信息报道：
来自俄罗斯的CPU Elbarus下月发售（2005年04月04日）
现如今市场上的主流处理器产品只有两大龙头在争斗，那就是英特尔与AMD，以前百家争鸣的市场格局早已一去不复返了。我们现在接触的处理器无非就是Pentium4、Celeron、Athlon64等处理器产品，玩来玩去一点新意都没有，想换换“口味”吗？今天我们就给大家介绍一个来自俄罗斯的最新处理器产品——Elbarus。
这款处理器具体详细资料我们还不是很清楚，Elbarus处理器分为两种，一种是兼容英特尔LGA775平台的处理器产品，另一种是兼容AMD Socket939/754平台的处理器产品。从外观上及其他方面来看，这种处理器可能是俄罗斯重新开发或者是改进的。
图为：CPU
在Elbarus处理器的内部，采用我们现在讨论的热门双核心兼容体系，它兼容现如今英特尔和AMD处理器的32位和64位代码。Elbarus最独特之处在于在处理器内部的双核心中其中一颗完全支持Pentium 4代码体系，另外一颗完全支持Athlon代码体系。也就是说，Elbarus同时兼容现有的LGA775和Soket939/Soket754平台。投产后将分别对不同的平台制造专有的CPU以供不同的消费者选购。
CPU内部由特殊的“导轨”将这两颗核心连接以区分到底使用哪颗核心加载代码。系统将把Elbarus识别成Pentium 4EE和Athlon 64 FX。这种Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式发售，最高等级的Elbarus为+PX4000，具体频率我们还不知道。
俄罗斯在双核CPU市场上的超级核武器
据悉，再过几天，我们将可以看到一支由俄罗斯人研发出来的双核心处理器。目前我们还没有得到更详细的技术资料，只是初步了解到这种CPU是由俄罗斯开发或者改进的，被命名为“Elbarus”。
在Elbarus处理器内部，俄罗斯开发者采用了我们最近经常讨论的双核心架构，Elbarus兼容现有Intel和AMD两家公司处理器的所有32位和64位微指令。这款双核心Elbarus处理器的独有设计简直让人叹为观止：这款双核心处理器内部的一个核心完全支持Intel的Pentium 4架构，而另外一个核心则完全支持AMD的Athlon架构。双核心Elbarus处理器同时支持现有的LGA775和Soket939/Soket754平台，投产后将分别针对对不同的平台设计不同的处理器产品，以供消费者们自由选购。
这款双核心Elbarus处理器内部的两个核心由专门的“导轨”连接在一起，以区分到底使用哪颗核心加载微指令，操作系统在工作的时候将把Elbarus处理器识别成是Pentium 4EE和Athlon 64 FX。
这款双核心Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式开卖，最高等级的Elbarus处理器代号为+PX4000，目前厂商还没有公布具体的工作主频，相信不久后我们就能够在市场上看到这款“独特”的处理器产品。Reiman pledges Russian processors and RAM （俄）信息技术部长誓言拥有俄罗斯的处理器和内存芯片
发表于 17.03.2008
原文：
Leonid Reiman claims that in 2009 processors and memory for PCs will be produced in Zelenograd. The Minister did not name those, who would be engaged in production. However, there are only two large microelectronics producers in Zelenograd, i.e. Angstrem and Micron. They are known to have reacted differently to the minister’s statement.
Leonid Reiman, Minister of IT and Communications, speaking in the State Duma on March 12th announced the intention to develop a PC in Russia costing about $400. Answering the deputies’ questions about constituents for such PCs, Mr. Reiman said that in 2009 one of enterprises in Zelenograd would present its own microprocessors and RAM, news and information agencies report. The minister believes production of such compounds in Russia might enable the country to advance the country’s technological independence. The given information was confirmed in the press service at the Ministry of IT and Communications.
Mr. Reiman did not tell, who would produce PCs costing $400. The Minister did not also name the enterprise that would produce processors and memory for Russian computers.
Two large enterprises engaged in production of microelectronics - Micron affiliated with the Sitronics Concern (belongs to JSFC Sistema) and Angstrem, whose controlling shareholder is the businessman Sergey Veremeenko, the former manager of Mezhprombank - are operating in Zelenograd.
Both enterprises confirm to be ready to produce memory. ‘In 2007 we launched EEPROM 0.18 mkm production, which is currently operating in test mode, - tells Karina Abagyan, Micron’s CMO. - Our technology allows producing memory chips. Micron’s design center has developed RAM of 4 Kb and tested the pilot run’.
Analysts are sure that the Russians might succeed on the memory market. ‘The market is segmented. There are various specialized lines and new ones are emerging, - says Sergey Shalmanov, expert at CNews Analytics. - Greater success might be achieved in the given niches, as expenditure on implementing into technological chains is much lower than on the processor market. Much less spending on legal support of business related to efficient management of intellectual property including its protection through patents and otherwise is required’.
Leonid Reiman hopes in 2009 Russia will present its own processors and RAM
As for microprocessors, Micron has developed specialized processors for smart-cards, which are 0.18 mkm primary technology market, says a representative of Zelenograd enterprise. GPP and DSP processor kernels are used in chipsets for GLONASS/GPS, digital TV and in many other telecom and multimedia devices. ‘Processors for PCs is a separate market, where there are only two large players, i.e. Intel and AMD, - says Ms Abagyan. - No new players have entered the market over the last ten years. Being a commercial enterprise, we understand that it is senseless to pretend for the given market, as, first of all, CMOS technologies for 65-45 nm are being currently used there, and secondly, microprocessors represent intellectual property that should be either licensed or developed for many years’.
Angstrem is more optimistic regarding the future of Russian processors for PCs. Victor Enns, deputy director on integrated circuit design at Angstrem, tells CNews there are several design centers in Russia, which have developed contemporary processors. The given centers are negotiating with Angstrem the possibility to produce their chips. As for processors for PCs, Mr. Enns believes ‘under certain prices for certain goods’, they will be able to compete with the US chips. Victor Enns does not agree to the doubts of his colleagues from Micron saying that a stronger school and a range of design centers have been formed round Angstrem as compared to Micron.
Mr. Enns believes that production of processors might be launched at Angstem by the end of 2009. The equipment bought from AMD is also planned to be launched into exploitation by this time. It should be noted, that the transaction between Angstrem and AMD was first announced in late 2006. In November 2007 AMD announced entering the final stage to conclude the transaction. Currently, according to Victor Enns, final steps are being undertaken in the mentioned direction. ‘The meeting of the supervisory board headed by Mr. Zubkov held on February 14th, where the state’s interest in the given project was confirmed, provided the additional impetus, - says Mr. Enns. - Vnesheconombank received the government approval and further financing was approved’.
Analysts are rather cautious regarding production of microprocessors for PCs in Russia. ‘To establish successful business on the market of processors for PCs and other digital devices means substantial investment over a short period of time into development and management, including intellectual property protection on the international market but not a single country or several countries’, - says Sergey Shalmanov. Furthermore, he believes products should be build into processor chains regarding fast updating of digital devices and their constituents; one should initially possess millions of dollars to be spent on possible trials in court; much should be invested into personnel training, etc.
‘Russia does not posses such investment funds although the oil price is rather high, while risks on the given market are incomparable with the markets of other constituents, - thinks Mr. Shalmanov. - Peculiarity of the given market is that most finance goes to the leader, and even if a company ranks second it is practically unlikely to succeed. Companies No 3 and 4 are even in a more complicated position, so to count all the players there are enough fingers on one hand. Attempting to establish successful large-scale business buying licenses to produce the products already developed by the leaders is rather complicated’.
其他信息报道：
来自俄罗斯的CPU Elbarus下月发售（2005年04月04日）
现如今市场上的主流处理器产品只有两大龙头在争斗，那就是英特尔与AMD，以前百家争鸣的市场格局早已一去不复返了。我们现在接触的处理器无非就是Pentium4、Celeron、Athlon64等处理器产品，玩来玩去一点新意都没有，想换换“口味”吗？今天我们就给大家介绍一个来自俄罗斯的最新处理器产品——Elbarus。
这款处理器具体详细资料我们还不是很清楚，Elbarus处理器分为两种，一种是兼容英特尔LGA775平台的处理器产品，另一种是兼容AMD Socket939/754平台的处理器产品。从外观上及其他方面来看，这种处理器可能是俄罗斯重新开发或者是改进的。
图为：CPU
在Elbarus处理器的内部，采用我们现在讨论的热门双核心兼容体系，它兼容现如今英特尔和AMD处理器的32位和64位代码。Elbarus最独特之处在于在处理器内部的双核心中其中一颗完全支持Pentium 4代码体系，另外一颗完全支持Athlon代码体系。也就是说，Elbarus同时兼容现有的LGA775和Soket939/Soket754平台。投产后将分别对不同的平台制造专有的CPU以供不同的消费者选购。
CPU内部由特殊的“导轨”将这两颗核心连接以区分到底使用哪颗核心加载代码。系统将把Elbarus识别成Pentium 4EE和Athlon 64 FX。这种Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式发售，最高等级的Elbarus为+PX4000，具体频率我们还不知道。
俄罗斯在双核CPU市场上的超级核武器
据悉，再过几天，我们将可以看到一支由俄罗斯人研发出来的双核心处理器。目前我们还没有得到更详细的技术资料，只是初步了解到这种CPU是由俄罗斯开发或者改进的，被命名为“Elbarus”。
在Elbarus处理器内部，俄罗斯开发者采用了我们最近经常讨论的双核心架构，Elbarus兼容现有Intel和AMD两家公司处理器的所有32位和64位微指令。这款双核心Elbarus处理器的独有设计简直让人叹为观止：这款双核心处理器内部的一个核心完全支持Intel的Pentium 4架构，而另外一个核心则完全支持AMD的Athlon架构。双核心Elbarus处理器同时支持现有的LGA775和Soket939/Soket754平台，投产后将分别针对对不同的平台设计不同的处理器产品，以供消费者们自由选购。
这款双核心Elbarus处理器内部的两个核心由专门的“导轨”连接在一起，以区分到底使用哪颗核心加载微指令，操作系统在工作的时候将把Elbarus处理器识别成是Pentium 4EE和Athlon 64 FX。
这款双核心Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式开卖，最高等级的Elbarus处理器代号为+PX4000，目前厂商还没有公布具体的工作主频，相信不久后我们就能够在市场上看到这款“独特”的处理器产品。
估计经过制造设备和工艺的引进和改进，实现飞跃可以的。
毕竟毛子的数理工程能力爆强...............人才辈出..................
毕竟毛子的数理工程能力爆强...............人才辈出..................
我们在进步，毛子也在进步，不要再拿20年前打一发导弹要扳十几个开头的老戏来看待今天的毛子电子水平了。
毛国得人才培养制度比我们严格科学得多了
实物呢？
设计有鸟用，现在整个半导体的瓶颈都卡在制造...
设计有鸟用，现在整个半导体的瓶颈都卡在制造...
pzgr43 发表于 2009-8-22 19:15 
这种Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式发售
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应该投产了吧
这种Elbarus处理器将于下个月正式发售
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应该投产了吧
实物参下链接：
http://tech.sina.com.cn/h/2005-04-04/1025570323.shtml
http://tech.sina.com.cn/h/2005-04-04/1025570323.shtml
在Elbarus处理器的内部，采用我们现在讨论的热门双核心兼容体系，它兼容现如今英特尔和AMD处理器的32位和64位代码。Elbarus最独特之处在于在处理器内部的双核心中其中一颗完全支持Pentium 4代码体系，另外一颗完全支持Athlon代码体系。也就是说，Elbarus同时兼容现有的LGA775和Soket939/Soket754平台。
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刚才没仔细看，现在看了一遍，以上内容，不是翻译有误就是小便自己胡扯的
毛子应该没这么弱智才是
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刚才没仔细看，现在看了一遍，以上内容，不是翻译有误就是小便自己胡扯的
毛子应该没这么弱智才是
wumingsheng 发表于 2009-8-22 19:20
作为一个挨踢从业人员，我可以负责任的说这个图铁定是PS的，哈哈 ;P
作为一个挨踢从业人员，我可以负责任的说这个图铁定是PS的，哈哈 ;P
觉得做产品是一回事；
对毛子来说，应该是不会做市场销售吧。怎么样卖给消费者应该是最大的挑战。
CPU设计出来（貌似俄罗斯有好几个设计公司都具备设计先进CPU设计能力，而且原创，不搞假的骗纳税人的钱）
现在而言，如果自己工艺能力不够可以叫台积电这样的代工做吧。
（俄罗斯现在具备了130nm,180nm甚至90nm的工艺水平了）
问题是做出来怎么卖出去，这是关键。
觉得做产品是一回事；
对毛子来说，应该是不会做市场销售吧。怎么样卖给消费者应该是最大的挑战。
CPU设计出来（貌似俄罗斯有好几个设计公司都具备设计先进CPU设计能力，而且原创，不搞假的骗纳税人的钱）
现在而言，如果自己工艺能力不够可以叫台积电这样的代工做吧。
（俄罗斯现在具备了130nm,180nm甚至90nm的工艺水平了）
问题是做出来怎么卖出去，这是关键。
主频多大？？？
pzgr43 发表于 2009-8-22 19:25
国外的报道：
http://ixbtlabs.com/news.html?04/04/00
http://xtrempc.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=37347
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=362717
http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Elbarus
曾经TG去俄罗斯谈过，准备出钱买，别人没有卖
国外的报道：
http://ixbtlabs.com/news.html?04/04/00
http://xtrempc.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=37347
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=362717
http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Elbarus
曾经TG去俄罗斯谈过，准备出钱买，别人没有卖
欧洲还邀请过俄罗斯加入22nm及以下工艺制程的某个联盟呢。说明俄罗斯搞半导体，引进技术的外部条件还好
欧洲还邀请过俄罗斯加入22nm及以下工艺制程的某个联盟呢。说明俄罗斯搞半导体，引进技术的外部条件还好
Intel uses Russia military technologies
Track this topic Print story Russian designer could have been inspiration for Pentium name
By Andrei Fatkullin in Moscow • Get more from this author
Posted in Business, 7th June 1999 10:14 GMT
Former Elbrus employee, Vladimir Pentkovski is a leading Intel processor architect. The core of the Russian Elbrus team has been together for over 40 years, developing supercomputers for the former Soviet Union's defence establishments. Pentkovski carried to Intel many advanced Elbrus technologies. According to microprocessor expert Keith Diefendorff: "Elbrus has developed computers based on superscalar, shared memory multiprocessing, and EPIC techniques, long before papers on those subjects appeared in the West." At Elbrus, by that time transformed into the Institute of Precision Mechanics and Computing Equipment of the USSR Academy of Sciences, Vladimir Pentkovski took part in the development of Elbrus-1 (1978) and Elbrus-2 (1984) supercomputers and led the development of El-90 superscalar 32-bit microprocessors. Superscalar architecture was invented in Russia. According to Keith Diefendorff, in 1978 almost 15 years ahead of Western superscalar processors, Elbrus implemented a two-issue out-of-order processor with register renaming and speculative execution. The chief architect of Elbrus supercomputers, Boris A. Babaian, says: "In 1978 we developed world-first superscalar computer, Elbrus-1. At present all Western superscalar processor have just the same architecture. The first Western superscalar processor appeared in 1992 while ours arrived in 1978. Moreover, our variant of superscalar is analogous to the Pentium Pro introduced by Intel in 1995." The Elbrus-1 processor instruction set (named El-76) was very complicated. Complex El-76 instructions were translated by special units to simple micro-operations. In 1984, the Elbrus-2 was built. It had essentially the same architecture. In 1986 the 32-bit El-90 microprocessor project was started by a team headed by Vladimir M. Pentkovski. The technical statement of work was created in 1987. The first El-90 prototypes were built in 1990. The El-90 architecture reflects a combination of RISC and Elbrus-2 ideas. El-90 featured - half a million transistors - 32-bit - simplified instruction set (as comparad with Elbrus-2), the majority of which could be executed in one cycle - superscalar architecture capable of executing two instructions per clock cycle - speculative execution - out-of-order execution - branch prediction - register renaming - high-performance pipelined floating point unit - sufficient cache - 10-way multiprocessing support - debugging support In 1990 Pentkovski begun work on El-91S, the successor to the El-90. But due to political and economical changings in Russia financing ceased. For a period from 1991 to 1999, we don't know what Pentkovski was doing. In 1999 his name has appeared again, in the Intel Technical Journal. According to it, Vladimir Pentkovski led the development of Pentium III processor architecture. You can find this reference to Pentkovski here. We would also like to remind you that in 1993 Intel introduced 32-bit Pentium processor with lots of new features - x86 instruction set is very complicated. Pentium has a special unit which translates complex x86 instructions to simple RISC-like ones - superscalar architecture capable of executing two instructions per cycle - branch prediction - pipelined floating point unit - sufficient cache - 2-way multiprocessing support - debugging support In 1995 Intel introduced better architecture, the Pentium Pro - improved x86 instruction decoder unit - improved superscalar architecture - speculative execution - out-of-order execution - branch prediction - register renaming - high-performance pipelined floating point unit - improved 2-way multiprocessing support - debugging support It could be that the Pentium is named after Pentkovski. And now Pentkovski's former chief, Boris Babaian, is going to bash Intel with a revolutionary new Elbrus E2k micropocessor. ®
Andrei Fatkullin is a journalist at Russian wire Computerra
原苏联超级计算机项目组的一个组员跑到INTEL做首席CPU设计师（P6-core aka Pentium 2 和 3），
原来项目组的首席工程师现在又推出新款............超越老款...
Intel uses Russia military technologies
Track this topic Print story Russian designer could have been inspiration for Pentium name
By Andrei Fatkullin in Moscow • Get more from this author
Posted in Business, 7th June 1999 10:14 GMT
Former Elbrus employee, Vladimir Pentkovski is a leading Intel processor architect. The core of the Russian Elbrus team has been together for over 40 years, developing supercomputers for the former Soviet Union's defence establishments. Pentkovski carried to Intel many advanced Elbrus technologies. According to microprocessor expert Keith Diefendorff: "Elbrus has developed computers based on superscalar, shared memory multiprocessing, and EPIC techniques, long before papers on those subjects appeared in the West." At Elbrus, by that time transformed into the Institute of Precision Mechanics and Computing Equipment of the USSR Academy of Sciences, Vladimir Pentkovski took part in the development of Elbrus-1 (1978) and Elbrus-2 (1984) supercomputers and led the development of El-90 superscalar 32-bit microprocessors. Superscalar architecture was invented in Russia. According to Keith Diefendorff, in 1978 almost 15 years ahead of Western superscalar processors, Elbrus implemented a two-issue out-of-order processor with register renaming and speculative execution. The chief architect of Elbrus supercomputers, Boris A. Babaian, says: "In 1978 we developed world-first superscalar computer, Elbrus-1. At present all Western superscalar processor have just the same architecture. The first Western superscalar processor appeared in 1992 while ours arrived in 1978. Moreover, our variant of superscalar is analogous to the Pentium Pro introduced by Intel in 1995." The Elbrus-1 processor instruction set (named El-76) was very complicated. Complex El-76 instructions were translated by special units to simple micro-operations. In 1984, the Elbrus-2 was built. It had essentially the same architecture. In 1986 the 32-bit El-90 microprocessor project was started by a team headed by Vladimir M. Pentkovski. The technical statement of work was created in 1987. The first El-90 prototypes were built in 1990. The El-90 architecture reflects a combination of RISC and Elbrus-2 ideas. El-90 featured - half a million transistors - 32-bit - simplified instruction set (as comparad with Elbrus-2), the majority of which could be executed in one cycle - superscalar architecture capable of executing two instructions per clock cycle - speculative execution - out-of-order execution - branch prediction - register renaming - high-performance pipelined floating point unit - sufficient cache - 10-way multiprocessing support - debugging support In 1990 Pentkovski begun work on El-91S, the successor to the El-90. But due to political and economical changings in Russia financing ceased. For a period from 1991 to 1999, we don't know what Pentkovski was doing. In 1999 his name has appeared again, in the Intel Technical Journal. According to it, Vladimir Pentkovski led the development of Pentium III processor architecture. You can find this reference to Pentkovski here. We would also like to remind you that in 1993 Intel introduced 32-bit Pentium processor with lots of new features - x86 instruction set is very complicated. Pentium has a special unit which translates complex x86 instructions to simple RISC-like ones - superscalar architecture capable of executing two instructions per cycle - branch prediction - pipelined floating point unit - sufficient cache - 2-way multiprocessing support - debugging support In 1995 Intel introduced better architecture, the Pentium Pro - improved x86 instruction decoder unit - improved superscalar architecture - speculative execution - out-of-order execution - branch prediction - register renaming - high-performance pipelined floating point unit - improved 2-way multiprocessing support - debugging support It could be that the Pentium is named after Pentkovski. And now Pentkovski's former chief, Boris Babaian, is going to bash Intel with a revolutionary new Elbrus E2k micropocessor. ®
Andrei Fatkullin is a journalist at Russian wire Computerra
原苏联超级计算机项目组的一个组员跑到INTEL做首席CPU设计师（P6-core aka Pentium 2 和 3），
原来项目组的首席工程师现在又推出新款............超越老款...
wumingsheng 发表于 2009-8-22 19:33
这四张图，铁定是PS的
这四张图，铁定是PS的
俄罗斯吃老本的家伙 毛子这10几年被西方已经完全帅到后面去了！
11# sunlibo1986 它的频率看这里：
http://www.lemote.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=23273
http://www.lemote.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=23273
不看好毛子制造精细物品的能力{:2_62:}
频率才300MHZ，性能再好能上到那里去？
原苏联超级计算机项目组的一个组员跑到INTEL做首席CPU设计师
这是真的假的啊 谁有这个人的资料啊 看来毛子的人才还是很强的吗
这是真的假的啊 谁有这个人的资料啊 看来毛子的人才还是很强的吗
毛子不管苏联跨台后，怎么颠沛流离，怎么找不着方向...........
但是他的工程，数理教育体系保存下来了.................人还在不断的培养.............人都在
全领域的研究体系架子还在，
只要经济好转，国家意志坚定..................
一挺就上去了....................（资源？ 不缺，人才？ 不缺，技术？ 不缺， 资金？)
但是他的工程，数理教育体系保存下来了.................人还在不断的培养.............人都在
全领域的研究体系架子还在，
只要经济好转，国家意志坚定..................
一挺就上去了....................（资源？ 不缺，人才？ 不缺，技术？ 不缺， 资金？)
楼上有那位设计师的资料吗 貌似网上的信息很少啊 到底是真是假啊
论数理,照样是美国第一.
毛子数理确实不差,不过苏联很会糟蹋人才.
google的一个创始人就是毛子还是二毛子?
毛子数理确实不差,不过苏联很会糟蹋人才.
google的一个创始人就是毛子还是二毛子?
AGS 发表于 2009-8-22 20:35
Vladimir Pentkovski
Vladimir Pentkovski
论数理,照样是美国第一.
毛子数理确实不差,不过苏联很会糟蹋人才.
google的一个创始人就是毛子还是二毛子?
kc45b 发表于 2009-8-22 20:35
美国靠的全地球的人才库。
多少俄罗斯，A3，TG的哥们在那边学习数理，工程这些枯燥，彪悍的学科.................
俄罗斯靠的是一亿多人的基数，加上并不好的经济条件.............
从苏联二战后到解体间，看看那些在数理，工程学上面的巨擘，真是悲壮..............
论数理,照样是美国第一.
毛子数理确实不差,不过苏联很会糟蹋人才.
google的一个创始人就是毛子还是二毛子?
kc45b 发表于 2009-8-22 20:35
美国靠的全地球的人才库。
多少俄罗斯，A3，TG的哥们在那边学习数理，工程这些枯燥，彪悍的学科.................
俄罗斯靠的是一亿多人的基数，加上并不好的经济条件.............
从苏联二战后到解体间，看看那些在数理，工程学上面的巨擘，真是悲壮..............
26# 毛国大柚子
这倒是 二战前后多少欧洲的牛人都跑去美国了 否则美国的科学技术也不会发展的这么迅速
26# 毛国大柚子
这倒是 二战前后多少欧洲的牛人都跑去美国了 否则美国的科学技术也不会发展的这么迅速
还可以看看， 微软 OFFICE 的一个系列的首席设计师的历史.............苏联倒下后....离开自己国家的...........
他们不仅仅是对技术上的天才表现，更是对超级大项目的组织领导，统筹能力了得.............
还可以看看， 微软 OFFICE 的一个系列的首席设计师的历史.............苏联倒下后....离开自己国家的...........
他们不仅仅是对技术上的天才表现，更是对超级大项目的组织领导，统筹能力了得.............
当看到苏联原子弹（使用钚）的核心计算模型是一个26岁的研究生的时候，当时真是泪流满面.........
后来这个人在几年后和另一个年轻人搞出来了氢弹的爆炸模型， 真是宁人窒息..............
后来这个人在几年后和另一个年轻人搞出来了氢弹的爆炸模型， 真是宁人窒息..............
毛子不容小视
以前听别人在上课的时候说过，
苏俄人对数学，在工程上面体现对工程现象，数据的高度数学抽象能力，数学建模，工程数学方面。特别能在理
与工之间用数学模型联系起来的能力.................
现在西方的一些巨擘公司把在空气动力学，流体力学以及软件工程方面的硬骨头仍给毛子们来解决................
花点美金，买毛子们的脑力劳动.................
苏俄人对数学，在工程上面体现对工程现象，数据的高度数学抽象能力，数学建模，工程数学方面。特别能在理
与工之间用数学模型联系起来的能力.................
现在西方的一些巨擘公司把在空气动力学，流体力学以及软件工程方面的硬骨头仍给毛子们来解决................
花点美金，买毛子们的脑力劳动.................
毛子的强大在于无数的数理天才都活得很悲壮,倒是贝利亚这种垃圾混得很好.
当初很多人仅仅因为学术意见不同就被抓进监狱,就连朗道都差点成为刀下鬼了.
美国的天才就过得好多了.
当初很多人仅仅因为学术意见不同就被抓进监狱,就连朗道都差点成为刀下鬼了.
美国的天才就过得好多了.
美国本土的数理大牛也很多的,不要以为它只会吸收世界的人才.
赫鲁晓夫上来后，情况就是不一样了.....................
而且有一个特点： 他们的天才， 人格都比较完整..........即使像那个被称为20世纪唯一的百科全书式的数学天
才， 情商也是高的不得了...............这个太难得了
赫鲁晓夫上来后，情况就是不一样了.....................
而且有一个特点： 他们的天才， 人格都比较完整..........即使像那个被称为20世纪唯一的百科全书式的数学天
才， 情商也是高的不得了...............这个太难得了
为啥欧洲白人出这么多牛人和天才呢 看来人种间的确有差距 呵呵 这个就扯远了
对这些科学家的态度,与斯大林相比,赫秃子确实算是人道了很多.
斯大林那几个5年计划打下了工业基础为后面的腾飞，手段的确残忍.....在白纸上建立一个积累，真还没有其他的
办法，但是四面都是敌人的包围... （那么多的国际义务就靠那时候的积累， 包括我们的156个特大援助工业项
目还有那么多社会主义国家的援助项目）
那个基础奠定了真个暴力美学的基础..............数理工程的暴力美学
办法，但是四面都是敌人的包围... （那么多的国际义务就靠那时候的积累， 包括我们的156个特大援助工业项
目还有那么多社会主义国家的援助项目）
那个基础奠定了真个暴力美学的基础..............数理工程的暴力美学
斯大林那几个5年计划打下了工业基础为后面的腾飞，手段的确残忍.....在白纸上建立一个积累，真还没有其他的
办法，但是四面都是敌人的包围... （那么多的国际义务就靠那时候的积累， 包括我们的156个特大援助工业项
目还有那么多社会主义国家的援助项目）
那个基础奠定了真个暴力美学的基础..............数理工程的暴力美学
办法，但是四面都是敌人的包围... （那么多的国际义务就靠那时候的积累， 包括我们的156个特大援助工业项
目还有那么多社会主义国家的援助项目）
那个基础奠定了真个暴力美学的基础..............数理工程的暴力美学
毛子2005年就搞出了双核啊，牛叉啊，四年过去了，毛子的Elbarus在那里卖啊？不会是愚人节玩笑吧
民用大众行销产品，产品本身是一个方面，
要推向市场，卖出去............难了...................
据说..............后来被MD的intel用银子收购了..........................
民用大众行销产品，产品本身是一个方面，
要推向市场，卖出去............难了...................
据说..............后来被MD的intel用银子收购了..........................
想起当年看到的一个传言，毛子现代级上的存储器一堵墙那么大，容量就512K……