请问为什么 不继续用水冷却机枪？？ 效率不更高吗？ 高 ...

后勤保养不便
零件太多，故障概率大

打仗了,没时间弄水
沙漠里,去哪里找水
寒冬里,水都成冰了

可拆枪管上一般都有专用提把,不烫手的

普通的人 发表于 2009-6-9 19:48

所以我说模块化啊 可拆卸 紧急机动作战就不装了

守阵地 装在坦克装甲车上就装 而且能否设计成 你即使装上了 没水就变成气冷

液态氮的成本更加贵~
而且冷却速度过快对金属有很大损伤~
你那个416的例子都是紧急情况下用的~

而且现代的金属冶炼技术~已经比以前好很多了

太重太麻烦 别说水冷了 性能更好的强制气冷机枪 毛子都嫌麻烦

现在舰炮很多用水冷

电脑上散热的水冷，你用过没？很麻烦的

水受熱變成蒸氣,那不就清楚標示自己的位置???

问题是我感觉现代的陆战已经改变了。 已经没有那种阵地长达几个小时的持续战斗了。

水冷效率高在那里呢？（在战场条件下）

现代战争模式改变了，不太需要机枪连续 突突突 几百上千发子弹的。

再有，现在枪性能提高了，一般质量好点的突击步枪，都能承受连续300发的射击了，机枪的极限就更高。

现代的战场，如果持续扫射的话

一般一条弹链打完前就有狙击手、迫击炮、步战速射跑、榴弹炮、武直、攻击机对机枪手重点照顾

水冷机枪是特定时代的产物，该淘汰就淘汰

现在的战场上已经没有能让你把机枪打到需要冷却的机会了,水冷的也就一战时的堑壕战士能用得上.

一战期间以尿代水可以说是惯例，水冷马克沁又不是没有去过沙漠。至于冷却水结成冰，俄国人的解决方案就是把冰块直接放到枪管冷却桶里接着用。



这也不成问题，一战期间除了法国的哈奇开斯重机枪以外其他重机枪基本上全部是水冷的。




水冷型马克沁、勃朗宁和维克斯可以说是惊天地泣鬼神的可靠，水冷型马克沁和维克斯一直到60年代才退役，要是不可靠的话是不会服役这么长时间的，而气冷型勃朗宁除了将枪管改为气冷型以外在结构上没有太大变化。在战场条件下水冷机枪是可长时间持续射击。

1916年8月24日英国机枪军第100连在海伍德就创下了使用维克斯机枪连续射击12小时的纪录。在此期间该连10挺机枪一共发射了100万发子弹（其中一个机枪组发射了120000发子弹），用掉了100根枪管和几乎能找到的每一滴水，而且没有一次卡壳。

打仗了,没时间弄水
沙漠里,去哪里找水
寒冬里,水都成冰了
普通的人 发表于 2009-6-9 19:48

一战期间以尿代水可以说是惯例，水冷马克沁又不是没有去过沙漠。至于冷却水结成冰，俄国人的解决方案就是把冰块直接放到枪管冷却桶里接着用。

水受熱變成蒸氣,那不就清楚標示自己的位置???
PIGPENCHIO 发表于 2009-6-9 23:39

这也不成问题，一战期间除了法国的哈奇开斯重机枪以外其他重机枪基本上全部是水冷的。

后勤保养不便
零件太多，故障概率大
AK74MS 发表于 2009-6-9 19:08

水冷效率高在那里呢？（在战场条件下）
拿AK的海豚 发表于 2009-6-10 00:00

水冷型马克沁、勃朗宁和维克斯可以说是惊天地泣鬼神的可靠，水冷型马克沁和维克斯一直到60年代才退役，要是不可靠的话是不会服役这么长时间的，而气冷型勃朗宁除了将枪管改为气冷型以外在结构上没有太大变化。在战场条件下水冷机枪是可长时间持续射击。

1916年8月24日英国机枪军第100连在海伍德就创下了使用维克斯机枪连续射击12小时的纪录。在此期间该连10挺机枪一共发射了100万发子弹（其中一个机枪组发射了120000发子弹），用掉了100根枪管和几乎能找到的每一滴水，而且没有一次卡壳。

而且没有一次卡壳

红色的这句话是你自己加上去的吗！！！

水冷的 额外增加携行负担啊

Fan1 发表于 2009-6-10 11:23

我就爱这种啊…… 有没有水冷加特林…… 我觉得应该搞冷却剂 然后冷却剂用液氮来持续降温 保证不让枪管降温过快

19# 冰淇淋零重生

就你喜欢没有用，全世界的军队都不喜欢。{:3_83:}

大客户说了算

液氮虽然温度低，但热容量不一定比水高
作为冷却介质，热容量是一个重要指标。

alex182 发表于 2009-6-10 14:58

我是说不可以用液氮冷却水 然后让水冷却枪管吗……

22# 冰淇淋零重生

越搞越复杂[:a1:]

是照维基原文翻译总结的，而维基是引用Ian V Hogg 武器和战争机器1976年版第62页。现将这两段文字引用如下：

The weapon had a reputation for great solidity and reliability. Ian V. Hogg, in Weapons & War Machines, describes an action that took place in August, 1916, during which the British Army's 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps fired their ten Vickers guns continuously for twelve hours. They fired a million rounds between them, using 100 new barrels, without a single breakdown. "It was this absolute foolproof reliability which endeared the Vickers to every British soldier who ever fired one."

^ Hogg, Ian V.; Batchelor, John (1976). Weapons & War Machines. London: Phoebus. pp. 62. ISBN 0-7026-0008-3.
"The Vickers gun accompanied the BEF to France in 1914, and in the years that followed, proved itself to be the most reliable weapon on the battlefield, some of its feats of endurance entering military mythology. Perhaps the most incredible was the action by the 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps at High Wood on 24 August 1916. This company had ten Vickers guns, and it was ordered to give sustained covering fire for 12 hours onto a selected area 2,000 yards away in order to prevent German troops forming up there for a counter-attack while a British attack was in progress. Two whole companies of infantrymen were allocated as carriers of ammunition, rations and water for the machine-gunners. Two men worked a belt-filling machine non-stop for 12 hours keeping up a supply of 250-round belts. One hundred new barrels were used up, and every drop of water in the neighbourhood, including the men’s drinking water and contents of the latrine buckets, went up in steam to keep the guns cool. And in that 12-hour period the ten guns fired a million rounds between them. One team fired 120,000 from one gun to win a five-franc prize offered to the highest-scoring gun. And at the end of that 12 hours, every gun was working perfectly and not one gun had broken down during the whole period. It was this absolute foolproof reliability which endeared the Vickers to every British soldier who ever fired one. It never broke down; it just kept on firing and came back for more. And that was why the Mark 1 Vickers gun was to remain the standard medium machine-gun from 1912 to 1968."

1916年8月24日英国机枪军第100连在海伍德就创下了使用维克斯机枪连续射击12小时的纪录。在此期间该连10挺机枪一共发射了100万发子弹（其中一个机枪组发射了120000发子弹），用掉了100根枪管和几乎能找到的每一滴水，而且没有一次卡壳

红色的这句话是你自己加上去的吗！！！
biosource 发表于 2009-6-10 13:17

是照维基原文翻译总结的，而维基是引用Ian V Hogg 武器和战争机器1976年版第62页。现将这两段文字引用如下：

The weapon had a reputation for great solidity and reliability. Ian V. Hogg, in Weapons & War Machines, describes an action that took place in August, 1916, during which the British Army's 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps fired their ten Vickers guns continuously for twelve hours. They fired a million rounds between them, using 100 new barrels, without a single breakdown. "It was this absolute foolproof reliability which endeared the Vickers to every British soldier who ever fired one."

^ Hogg, Ian V.; Batchelor, John (1976). Weapons & War Machines. London: Phoebus. pp. 62. ISBN 0-7026-0008-3.
"The Vickers gun accompanied the BEF to France in 1914, and in the years that followed, proved itself to be the most reliable weapon on the battlefield, some of its feats of endurance entering military mythology. Perhaps the most incredible was the action by the 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps at High Wood on 24 August 1916. This company had ten Vickers guns, and it was ordered to give sustained covering fire for 12 hours onto a selected area 2,000 yards away in order to prevent German troops forming up there for a counter-attack while a British attack was in progress. Two whole companies of infantrymen were allocated as carriers of ammunition, rations and water for the machine-gunners. Two men worked a belt-filling machine non-stop for 12 hours keeping up a supply of 250-round belts. One hundred new barrels were used up, and every drop of water in the neighbourhood, including the men’s drinking water and contents of the latrine buckets, went up in steam to keep the guns cool. And in that 12-hour period the ten guns fired a million rounds between them. One team fired 120,000 from one gun to win a five-franc prize offered to the highest-scoring gun. And at the end of that 12 hours, every gun was working perfectly and not one gun had broken down during the whole period. It was this absolute foolproof reliability which endeared the Vickers to every British soldier who ever fired one. It never broke down; it just kept on firing and came back for more. And that was why the Mark 1 Vickers gun was to remain the standard medium machine-gun from 1912 to 1968."

一样有热容量问题，你用什么冷却液氮呢？
事实上由于水的热容量不低，完全可以保证自然冷却速度高于其吸热速度。
这个时候有必要用其他冷却介质去冷却水吗？

我是说不可以用液氮冷却水 然后让水冷却枪管吗……
冰淇淋零重生 发表于 2009-6-10 15:01

一样有热容量问题，你用什么冷却液氮呢？
事实上由于水的热容量不低，完全可以保证自然冷却速度高于其吸热速度。
这个时候有必要用其他冷却介质去冷却水吗？

冰淇淋零重生 发表于 2009-6-10 14:16
有 注意毛子的内能源加特林机关炮就是带套子的，里面有冷却液反复冲刷。

post3030 发表于 2009-6-10 16:19

这个爽啊……

有效的液冷装置可以使其多发射400发炮弹。

post3030 发表于 2009-6-10 16:41

那原来可以打多少……

我也喜欢液冷

突突突突打个不停

普通机枪没这个必要
换个枪管完全能解决
楼主看过那个护木着火仍在发射的AK47的视频吗

急速闪电 发表于 2009-6-10 18:27

没 求视频 手不烧掉？

看了 那个家伙就不怕炸镗么……

干脆给枪管装一空调更好，分体式的无氟空调

最简单的答案就邓公那句话：“实践是检验真理的唯一标准。”从水冷到气冷是打仗打出来的结果。

说不定液冷还会回来，就像加特林机枪一样，经过技术进步，符合新形势（虽然不能预见是什么形势）需要，死而复生也是有可能的啊。

机枪弄那么复杂干吗?

那个水漏了咋办？

当气冷枪用，但是要比气冷枪多备几条枪管，水冷枪的枪管比气冷的要轻。

那个水漏了咋办？
大唐刀客 发表于 2009-6-11 12:00

当气冷枪用，但是要比气冷枪多备几条枪管，水冷枪的枪管比气冷的要轻。

记得还有一个加特林机枪持续射击一汽车的视频
汽车从新车到燃烧的废铁
枪管从正常到烧红的烙铁
机枪还正常发射
现在战争是在不晓得机枪有没有这么大的寿命能发射这么多子弹

这东西适合一战那样的阵地战、战壕战。现在机动的频繁，就算模块也要灌水接水管啥的，水箱是死重，就算让车辆帮忙带着也是麻烦，还没打几枪呢又要机动了，风冷的够用了。当然水冷的不是不好，可凡事总得根据情况有个取舍。