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首先看intel平台,从2008Q2开始推面对消费品市场的PM核心CE3100,面对MID市场的ATOM以来,SOC产品计划2009Q4上市
再看AMD,由于服务器/桌面市场压力,造成SOC产品一直推迟,得2010Q2以后才能出来
NV方面由于没有X86,因此搞了一个ARM平台练手,未来最好的选择是入主VIA,将嵌入/工控部分留给VIA原有部门,依托VIA的CPU部门结果自己的消费品部门开发一款低功耗的SOC,
VIA方面虽然比INTEL产品早将近2年,但限于营销能力,一直没有大的发展(主要由于是定位于嵌入市场),不过如果能用EDGE加新出的VX855芯片组,应该可以达成4W以内的平台

VIA VX855 Media System Processor Brings Power-Efficiency to 1080p HD Video Playback                    VIAVX855 MSP offers hardware H.264 video acceleration in a tiny, highlyintegrated single chip package with an ultra low TDP of 2.3 watts

VIA VX855 Media System Processor: Bringing 1080p HD Video to Power Efficient SFF and Mobile Devices                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                TheVIA VX855 Media System Processor (MSP) is a power efficient, highlyintegrated all-in-one chipset that addresses the key requirements oftoday’s small form factor and mobile PC systems.
                                            Forthe first time, the VIA VX855 MSP offers full hardware acceleration ofthe widest variety of leading video standards including H.264,MPEG-2/4, DivX and WMV9, allowing smooth playback of high bit-rate1080p HD video. The advanced video decoding capabilities, when coupledwith the media system processor's small physical size and a thermaldesign power (TDP) of a mere 2.3 watts, open up exciting opportunitiesfor power efficient small form factor and mobile devices; especiallythe mini-notebook PC segment that will now be able to offer true 1080pHD video playback.
                                            Additionally,support for all leading operating systems including the forthcomingMicrosoft® Windows 7 OS offers flexibility and greater applicability toa wide spectrum of established, growing and new x86 market segments.
                                          TheVIA VX855 MSP integrates all the cutting-edge features of a modernchipset's North and South bridges into a 27mm x 27mm single chippackage that saves over 46% of silicon real estate compared withcompeting twin-chip core logic implementations. This miniaturization,combined with extensive power management technologies and the VIAVX855’s ability to run fanlessly, enables system builders to designever smaller, lighter, and more portable systems.
                                          
Key Features of the VIA VX855 MSP                                          
  •                                               High Performance 2D/3D Graphics:The VIA Chrome9™ HCM 3D integrated graphics core boasts full DirectX9.0 support and a 128-bit 2D engine with hardware rotation capability
  • Powerful Video Decoding  Technology:The VIA Chromotion™ video engine delivers a Hi-Def™ visual experience,including advanced video acceleration for  H.264, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, WMV9,and DivX video formats, plus a VMR-capable HD video processor
  • Advanced HD Audio:The built-in VIA Vinyl HD Audio controller supports up to eight highdefinition channels with a 192kHz sampling rate, delivering a richerall-round digital media experience
  • Intuitive Memory Technology: VIA's renowned memory controller technology supports up to two low-power,  high-bandwidth DDR2 memory modules
  • Display Flexibility:Anintegrated multi-configuration, single-channel LVDS transmitter enablesdisplay connection to embedded panels, as well as CRT and CMOS LCDmonitors
  • Consumer  Electronics Interfaces: Supports the low  power device interfaces of SDIO, UART and SPI, as well as up to six USB 2.0  ports.
                                                                          
Block                                                                                                         Diagram                                                                             
Key Specifications of the VIA VX855 MSP                                                                                                                                                                                    Supported  Processors                                               
  • VIA Nano™ / C7® / Eden™ processor
  • 400 - 800MHz FSB speed
                                              Memory  Controller                                               
  • Up to DDR2 800
  • Supports up to two 64-bit DDR2 DIMM slots (4 GB max)
  • Supports 16-bit dedicated display frame buffer (optional)
                                              Storage  Interface Support                                              
  • UDMA IDE
  • Support SD/MS/MMC/XD
                                              Peripheral  Interface                                             
  • Six USB2.0 ports
  • One USB2.0 device port
  • Supports LPC bus
  • Supports SDIO, SPI and UART
                                              Integrated  2D/3D/Video Processor                                             
  • VIA Chrome9 HCM DX9 3D engine
  • 128-bit 2D engine with hardware rotation capability
  • High Definition video processor with VMR capability
  • Up to 512 MB frame buffer
                                              Display  Interface                                               
  • Three 10-bit 350 MHz RAMDACs
  • Single - channel LVDS
  • 18-bit TTL
                                              Unified  Video Decoding Processor                                               
  • MPEG-2/H.264 VLD hardware decoding acceleration
  • MPEG-4, VC1 and DivX video decoding acceleration
                                              High  Definition Audio Interface                                               
  • Supports up to 32-bit sample depth at 192 kHz sampling       rate
  • Supports three codecs and eight streams
  • Supports HD modem
                                              Video Capture   Port                                             
  • One 16-bit input or
  • One 8-bit TS input + one Serial TS input or
  • CCIR656/601 input + one Serial TS input
                                              Supported  Software Standards                                              
  • Microsoft® DirectX 9.0,
  • Microsoft® Windows XP and Vista,       Win CE and Linux
                                              Power  Management                                               
  • ACPI 3.0 and PCI Bus Power Management 1.1 compliant
  • Snapshot extensive system power management
                                              Package                                               
  • Flip-Chip Ball Grid Array (FCBGA)
  • Package Size: 27 x 27mm/0.8mm
                                              Core  Voltage                                              
  • 1.2V



VIA Eden® Processors - Low Power Fanless Processing
                        With its signature fanless operation, the VIA Eden™ processor familytargets personal, business, industrial and commercial embeddedcomputing devices that require ultra low power consumption, rock solidreliability and compatibility with standard x86 operating systems andsoftware applications. VIA Eden processors are scalable from 400MHz to1.5GHz all within a maximum thermal envelope of 7.5 watts, and areavailable with a diverse range of feature sets that enable PCfunctionality and connectivity from traditionally single functiondevices.
                         The VIA Eden processor familyis available in nanoBGA, nanoBGA2 and EBGA packaging, using 150nm,130nm and the latest 90nm SOI manufacturing process to deliver leadingperformance per watt and in fully RoHS compliant packages.
Available Models                        Please click on the processor name for more information on each processor:
                        
                            Process TechnologyProcessor NameCore ArchitectureClock Speed RangeFSBPackage/ Size
90nm  VIA Eden 'Esther'400MHz-1.2GHz400MHzNanoBGA2 21mmx21mm
90nm  VIA Eden ULV 'Esther'1.0GHz, 1.5GHz400MHzNanoBGA2 21mmx21mm
0.13um  VIA Eden-N 'Nehemiah'533MHz-1.0GHz133MHzNanoBGA 15mmx15mm
0.13um  VIA Eden ESP 'Nehemiah'667MHz-1.0GHz133MHzEBGA 35mmx35mm
0.15um  VIA Eden ESP'Samuel 2'300MHz-600MHz66/ 100/ 133MHzEBGA 35mmx35mm
                        Pleasecontact your local VIA sales representative for information regardingavailability of VIA Eden processors, or send an email to VIA at mkt@via.com.tw
                     
VIA Eden Processor Applications                        Thelow power consumption, excellent heat dissipation and leading powerefficiency makes the VIA Eden processor ideal for a wide range ofcompact, quiet devices for the home, office, car, shops, hospitals,public institutions, industrial plants and much, much more; below arejust some of the key applications in which the VIA Eden processor hasalready gained market momentum:
                        
                     
Secure by Design                        VIA Eden processors are helping to herald an era of practical pervasive security thanks to the VIA PadLock Security Engine,the world's fastest x86 security engine in the world featuring the mostcomprehensive suite of tools for key cryptographic operations.
                        
                        Over the last couple of processor core generations, VIA has expandedthe hardware security suite integrated directly onto the processor die,starting with the world's best random number generator (RNG) and AESEncryption Engine in the C5P (Nehemiah) processor core to SHA-1 andSHA-256 hashing for secure message digests, and a hardware basedMontgomery Multiplier supporting key sizes up to 32K in length toaccelerate public key cryptography, such as RSA™ in the latest C5J(Esther) core. This latest generation also provides NX ExecuteProtection, providing protection from malicious software such as wormsand viruses, and is used in Microsoft® Windows® XP with SP2.Integrating security directly onto the processor die ensures speeds andefficiency many times that available in software, yet with negligibleimpact on processor performance.
                         Learn more...
                        
VIA Eden Processors: Security Feature Comparison
VIA Eden 0.13, 0.15µm VIA Eden 90nmBenefits
Secure Hash Full SHA-1 & SHA-256 20Gbps peak                                     World's fastest x86 Secure Hash engine                                    Data integrity and origin authentication in data transfer
Virus Protection NX Bit Protects against worm attacks and propagation
EncryptionFull AES Encryption ECB, CBC, CFB, OFB hardware modes 25Gbps peak@2GHz +RSA hardware assist (Montgomery Multiplier)                                     World's fastest x86 encryption                                    Miltary-grade                                    Data encryption acceleration for RSA Public Key Security
Hardware RNG 2 hardware RGNs + enchanced performance
            + feeds to SHA
                                    World's fastest x86 Quantum RNG                                    Superior to software based generation                                    World's heighest level of x86 based entropy
                     








Moorestown平台,搭配全新的Lincroft处理器,芯片组则Langwell,Lincroft处理器集成了内存控制器和图形核心。


The Moorestown Update: Atom in Smartphones

The successor to Menlow is Moorestown. Also built on a 45nm process, Moorestown is a highly integrated version of Menlow composed of the following components:

    1) Lincroft System on a Chip (SoC)
    2) Langwell South Hub
    3) PMIC
    4) Evans Peak Networking

Moorestown is composed of two chips: a north hub and a south hub. The Lincroft SoC is the north hub and it features a LPIA (Low Power Intel Architecture) CPU core (Silverthorne derivative), on-die graphics and on-die memory controller. Both video encode and decode hardware are also included on-die. This is a big step from Menlow because the GPU is now built on a 45nm process since it’s contained on the CPU die itself. The on-die memory controller should also help performance of the in-order core which is highly dependent on receiving dependent data as quickly as possible.

The Langwell south hub is an extremely focused piece of silicon given how highly integrated the Lincroft north hub/CPU is. Langwell is composed of a system controller, solid state disk controller and I/O blocks for things like USB or audio.

The Power Management IC (PMIC) plays a mystery role at this point. Intel is just revealing that it handles power management for the platform yet not fully detailing its active roles. The PMIC interfaces with the Langwell south hub which is being licensed to 3rd parties to actually make the PMIC.

The final component of Moorestown is the Evans Peak networking hub, which is made up of Intel and non-Intel silicon. Intel will enable Wi-Fi, WiMAX, Bluetooth and GPS while 3rd party vendors can supply chips to enable things like 3G on Moorestown platforms.

As we mentioned before, Moorestown rids the platform of any PCI bus which apparently precludes it from being used with Windows Vista, because of this all Moorestown based MIDs will be running Linux. Linux is a far better fit for something like Menlow or Moorestown simply because the performance levels are too low to be used with a hog like Vista. Vista can work on these platforms, just not with iPhone-smoothness.

Thanks to the integration made possible with Moorestown idle power will be reduced by a factor of 10x over Menlow. With such a low idle power, voice applications now become possible with Moorestown.

Moorestown will allow Intel’s Atom CPU to exist in larger smart phones (4 - 5” size), while its successor in 2010/2011 will use the magic of Intel’s 32nm process to finally get into something iPhone-sized.首先看intel平台,从2008Q2开始推面对消费品市场的PM核心CE3100,面对MID市场的ATOM以来,SOC产品计划2009Q4上市
再看AMD,由于服务器/桌面市场压力,造成SOC产品一直推迟,得2010Q2以后才能出来
NV方面由于没有X86,因此搞了一个ARM平台练手,未来最好的选择是入主VIA,将嵌入/工控部分留给VIA原有部门,依托VIA的CPU部门结果自己的消费品部门开发一款低功耗的SOC,
VIA方面虽然比INTEL产品早将近2年,但限于营销能力,一直没有大的发展(主要由于是定位于嵌入市场),不过如果能用EDGE加新出的VX855芯片组,应该可以达成4W以内的平台

VIA VX855 Media System Processor Brings Power-Efficiency to 1080p HD Video Playback                    VIAVX855 MSP offers hardware H.264 video acceleration in a tiny, highlyintegrated single chip package with an ultra low TDP of 2.3 watts

VIA VX855 Media System Processor: Bringing 1080p HD Video to Power Efficient SFF and Mobile Devices                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          TheVIA VX855 Media System Processor (MSP) is a power efficient, highlyintegrated all-in-one chipset that addresses the key requirements oftoday’s small form factor and mobile PC systems.
                                            Forthe first time, the VIA VX855 MSP offers full hardware acceleration ofthe widest variety of leading video standards including H.264,MPEG-2/4, DivX and WMV9, allowing smooth playback of high bit-rate1080p HD video. The advanced video decoding capabilities, when coupledwith the media system processor's small physical size and a thermaldesign power (TDP) of a mere 2.3 watts, open up exciting opportunitiesfor power efficient small form factor and mobile devices; especiallythe mini-notebook PC segment that will now be able to offer true 1080pHD video playback.
                                            Additionally,support for all leading operating systems including the forthcomingMicrosoft® Windows 7 OS offers flexibility and greater applicability toa wide spectrum of established, growing and new x86 market segments.
                                          TheVIA VX855 MSP integrates all the cutting-edge features of a modernchipset's North and South bridges into a 27mm x 27mm single chippackage that saves over 46% of silicon real estate compared withcompeting twin-chip core logic implementations. This miniaturization,combined with extensive power management technologies and the VIAVX855’s ability to run fanlessly, enables system builders to designever smaller, lighter, and more portable systems.
                                          Key Features of the VIA VX855 MSP                                          
  •                                               High Performance 2D/3D Graphics:The VIA Chrome9™ HCM 3D integrated graphics core boasts full DirectX9.0 support and a 128-bit 2D engine with hardware rotation capability
  • Powerful Video Decoding  Technology:The VIA Chromotion™ video engine delivers a Hi-Def™ visual experience,including advanced video acceleration for  H.264, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, WMV9,and DivX video formats, plus a VMR-capable HD video processor
  • Advanced HD Audio:The built-in VIA Vinyl HD Audio controller supports up to eight highdefinition channels with a 192kHz sampling rate, delivering a richerall-round digital media experience
  • Intuitive Memory Technology: VIA's renowned memory controller technology supports up to two low-power,  high-bandwidth DDR2 memory modules
  • Display Flexibility:Anintegrated multi-configuration, single-channel LVDS transmitter enablesdisplay connection to embedded panels, as well as CRT and CMOS LCDmonitors
  • Consumer  Electronics Interfaces: Supports the low  power device interfaces of SDIO, UART and SPI, as well as up to six USB 2.0  ports.
                                                                          Block                                                                                                         Diagram                                                                              Key Specifications of the VIA VX855 MSP                                                                                                                                                                                    Supported  Processors                                               
  • VIA Nano™ / C7® / Eden™ processor
  • 400 - 800MHz FSB speed
                                              Memory  Controller                                               
  • Up to DDR2 800
  • Supports up to two 64-bit DDR2 DIMM slots (4 GB max)
  • Supports 16-bit dedicated display frame buffer (optional)
                                              Storage  Interface Support                                              
  • UDMA IDE
  • Support SD/MS/MMC/XD
                                              Peripheral  Interface                                             
  • Six USB2.0 ports
  • One USB2.0 device port
  • Supports LPC bus
  • Supports SDIO, SPI and UART
                                              Integrated  2D/3D/Video Processor                                             
  • VIA Chrome9 HCM DX9 3D engine
  • 128-bit 2D engine with hardware rotation capability
  • High Definition video processor with VMR capability
  • Up to 512 MB frame buffer
                                              Display  Interface                                               
  • Three 10-bit 350 MHz RAMDACs
  • Single - channel LVDS
  • 18-bit TTL
                                              Unified  Video Decoding Processor                                               
  • MPEG-2/H.264 VLD hardware decoding acceleration
  • MPEG-4, VC1 and DivX video decoding acceleration
                                              High  Definition Audio Interface                                               
  • Supports up to 32-bit sample depth at 192 kHz sampling       rate
  • Supports three codecs and eight streams
  • Supports HD modem
                                              Video Capture   Port                                             
  • One 16-bit input or
  • One 8-bit TS input + one Serial TS input or
  • CCIR656/601 input + one Serial TS input
                                              Supported  Software Standards                                              
  • Microsoft® DirectX 9.0,
  • Microsoft® Windows XP and Vista,       Win CE and Linux
                                              Power  Management                                               
  • ACPI 3.0 and PCI Bus Power Management 1.1 compliant
  • Snapshot extensive system power management
                                              Package                                               
  • Flip-Chip Ball Grid Array (FCBGA)
  • Package Size: 27 x 27mm/0.8mm
                                              Core  Voltage                                              
  • 1.2V



VIA Eden® Processors - Low Power Fanless Processing                        With its signature fanless operation, the VIA Eden™ processor familytargets personal, business, industrial and commercial embeddedcomputing devices that require ultra low power consumption, rock solidreliability and compatibility with standard x86 operating systems andsoftware applications. VIA Eden processors are scalable from 400MHz to1.5GHz all within a maximum thermal envelope of 7.5 watts, and areavailable with a diverse range of feature sets that enable PCfunctionality and connectivity from traditionally single functiondevices.
                         The VIA Eden processor familyis available in nanoBGA, nanoBGA2 and EBGA packaging, using 150nm,130nm and the latest 90nm SOI manufacturing process to deliver leadingperformance per watt and in fully RoHS compliant packages.
Available Models                        Please click on the processor name for more information on each processor:
                                                    Process TechnologyProcessor NameCore ArchitectureClock Speed RangeFSBPackage/ Size 90nm  VIA Eden 'Esther'400MHz-1.2GHz400MHzNanoBGA2 21mmx21mm 90nm  VIA Eden ULV 'Esther'1.0GHz, 1.5GHz400MHzNanoBGA2 21mmx21mm 0.13um  VIA Eden-N 'Nehemiah'533MHz-1.0GHz133MHzNanoBGA 15mmx15mm 0.13um  VIA Eden ESP 'Nehemiah'667MHz-1.0GHz133MHzEBGA 35mmx35mm 0.15um  VIA Eden ESP'Samuel 2'300MHz-600MHz66/ 100/ 133MHzEBGA 35mmx35mm                        Pleasecontact your local VIA sales representative for information regardingavailability of VIA Eden processors, or send an email to VIA at mkt@via.com.tw
                      VIA Eden Processor Applications                        Thelow power consumption, excellent heat dissipation and leading powerefficiency makes the VIA Eden processor ideal for a wide range ofcompact, quiet devices for the home, office, car, shops, hospitals,public institutions, industrial plants and much, much more; below arejust some of the key applications in which the VIA Eden processor hasalready gained market momentum:
                                              Secure by Design                        VIA Eden processors are helping to herald an era of practical pervasive security thanks to the VIA PadLock Security Engine,the world's fastest x86 security engine in the world featuring the mostcomprehensive suite of tools for key cryptographic operations.
                        
                        Over the last couple of processor core generations, VIA has expandedthe hardware security suite integrated directly onto the processor die,starting with the world's best random number generator (RNG) and AESEncryption Engine in the C5P (Nehemiah) processor core to SHA-1 andSHA-256 hashing for secure message digests, and a hardware basedMontgomery Multiplier supporting key sizes up to 32K in length toaccelerate public key cryptography, such as RSA™ in the latest C5J(Esther) core. This latest generation also provides NX ExecuteProtection, providing protection from malicious software such as wormsand viruses, and is used in Microsoft® Windows® XP with SP2.Integrating security directly onto the processor die ensures speeds andefficiency many times that available in software, yet with negligibleimpact on processor performance.
                         Learn more...
                        VIA Eden Processors: Security Feature Comparison VIA Eden 0.13, 0.15µm VIA Eden 90nmBenefitsSecure Hash Full SHA-1 & SHA-256 20Gbps peak                                     World's fastest x86 Secure Hash engine                                    Data integrity and origin authentication in data transferVirus Protection NX Bit Protects against worm attacks and propagation EncryptionFull AES Encryption ECB, CBC, CFB, OFB hardware modes 25Gbps peak@2GHz +RSA hardware assist (Montgomery Multiplier)                                     World's fastest x86 encryption                                    Miltary-grade                                    Data encryption acceleration for RSA Public Key SecurityHardware RNG 2 hardware RGNs + enchanced performance
            + feeds to SHA                                     World's fastest x86 Quantum RNG                                    Superior to software based generation                                    World's heighest level of x86 based entropy                     







Moorestown平台,搭配全新的Lincroft处理器,芯片组则Langwell,Lincroft处理器集成了内存控制器和图形核心。

The Moorestown Update: Atom in Smartphones

The successor to Menlow is Moorestown. Also built on a 45nm process, Moorestown is a highly integrated version of Menlow composed of the following components:

    1) Lincroft System on a Chip (SoC)
    2) Langwell South Hub
    3) PMIC
    4) Evans Peak Networking

Moorestown is composed of two chips: a north hub and a south hub. The Lincroft SoC is the north hub and it features a LPIA (Low Power Intel Architecture) CPU core (Silverthorne derivative), on-die graphics and on-die memory controller. Both video encode and decode hardware are also included on-die. This is a big step from Menlow because the GPU is now built on a 45nm process since it’s contained on the CPU die itself. The on-die memory controller should also help performance of the in-order core which is highly dependent on receiving dependent data as quickly as possible.

The Langwell south hub is an extremely focused piece of silicon given how highly integrated the Lincroft north hub/CPU is. Langwell is composed of a system controller, solid state disk controller and I/O blocks for things like USB or audio.

The Power Management IC (PMIC) plays a mystery role at this point. Intel is just revealing that it handles power management for the platform yet not fully detailing its active roles. The PMIC interfaces with the Langwell south hub which is being licensed to 3rd parties to actually make the PMIC.

The final component of Moorestown is the Evans Peak networking hub, which is made up of Intel and non-Intel silicon. Intel will enable Wi-Fi, WiMAX, Bluetooth and GPS while 3rd party vendors can supply chips to enable things like 3G on Moorestown platforms.

As we mentioned before, Moorestown rids the platform of any PCI bus which apparently precludes it from being used with Windows Vista, because of this all Moorestown based MIDs will be running Linux. Linux is a far better fit for something like Menlow or Moorestown simply because the performance levels are too low to be used with a hog like Vista. Vista can work on these platforms, just not with iPhone-smoothness.

Thanks to the integration made possible with Moorestown idle power will be reduced by a factor of 10x over Menlow. With such a low idle power, voice applications now become possible with Moorestown.

Moorestown will allow Intel’s Atom CPU to exist in larger smart phones (4 - 5” size), while its successor in 2010/2011 will use the magic of Intel’s 32nm process to finally get into something iPhone-sized.
VIA根本就没戏,没金主没后台,更没研发能力

现在NV混的也不怎样

没金主没后台的在这个行业并不是那么好介入的
原帖由 mxyou 于 2009-3-22 16:57 发表
VIA根本就没戏,没金主没后台,更没研发能力

现在NV混的也不怎样

没金主没后台的在这个行业并不是那么好介入的

先打听一下via的董事长是谁再说。
原帖由 spinup 于 2009-3-22 18:01 发表

先打听一下via的董事长是谁再说。

;P ;P ;P
再打听一下WXH的老爸是谁,如果只有海湾的王子们算有钱人,那就无话可说了
原帖由 mxyou 于 2009-3-22 16:57 发表
VIA根本就没戏,没金主没后台,更没研发能力

现在NV混的也不怎样

没金主没后台的在这个行业并不是那么好介入的


如果VIA没研发能力的话,你有本身做一个DX10的GPU出来或者做一套芯片组出来
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原帖由 qnxchina 于 2009-3-22 18:29 发表

;P ;P ;P
再打听一下WXH的老爸是谁,如果只有海湾的王子们算有钱人,那就无话可说了

;P 还有呢,再查一查tsmc等n家半导体行业企业的大股东名单。;P
原帖由 qnxchina 于 2009-3-22 18:30 发表


如果VIA没研发能力的话,你有本身做一个DX10的GPU出来或者做一套芯片组出来


VIA现在确实还活的很好,但说到VIA很有研发能力

呵呵,天气真好,也不知道是谁从如日中天混到现在这一市场地位的
不就王永庆的女儿嘛,都已经去世的人了。还被你们拉出来陪绑,至于吗!
原帖由 mxyou 于 2009-3-22 20:16 发表


VIA现在确实还活的很好,但说到VIA很有研发能力

呵呵,天气真好,也不知道是谁从如日中天混到现在这一市场地位的


当年如果选择了如日中天的芯片组,下场就会和现在的SIS一样,完蛋
原帖由 qnxchina 于 2009-3-22 20:49 发表


当年如果选择了如日中天的芯片组,下场就会和现在的SIS一样,完蛋


啧啧,不知道VIA看到你这话心里会是什么滋味

如果VIA真的能掌控CPU部门,哪里又会这么狼狈,
自身研发实力不够,资金有限,又把线拉的过长,最终导致VIA全线溃败

好在还有CPU部门在,同时也是营销得力,开拓出了几处市场
VIA再不搞定它那个CPU部门,会死的很难看,花钱买来了一个老爷
不过话说回来,VIA要是能把它那个老爷部门搞定的话,VIA比NV有前途多了
原帖由 mxyou 于 2009-3-22 21:00 发表


啧啧,不知道VIA看到你这话心里会是什么滋味

如果VIA真的能掌控CPU部门,哪里又会这么狼狈,
自身研发实力不够,资金有限,又把线拉的过长,最终导致VIA全线溃败

好在还有CPU部门在,同时也是营销得力,开 ...


笨,你不知道VIA的CPU部门始终是收购来的么?并且收购不只一次,C3/C7和C8 NANO不是一个team搞的
什么叫不能掌握?拿的出产品卖的出钱能养活自己就是成功的,不用靠耍活宝来挣钱
当年SIS当INTEL的跟屁虫,现在怎么样,芯片组完蛋后其他业务顶不上
原帖由 mxyou 于 2009-3-22 21:03 发表
不过话说回来,VIA要是能把它那个老爷部门搞定的话,VIA比NV有前途多了


只有NV/VIA绑在一起才有活路,否则I/A这样的全平台生产商会包揽剩下的空间
我和你的看法的角度差异大,还是各说各话吧

SIS本来就不如VIA,VIA混到现在的样子,我可没认为VIA很光荣

我所认为的掌握,是VIA能整合折腾出好的东西出来,而不是弄成现在这副样子,缝缝补补又三年,三年又三年的

VIA的CPU部门根本就是一群老爷
原帖由 qnxchina 于 2009-3-22 22:07 发表


只有NV/VIA绑在一起才有活路,否则I/A这样的全平台生产商会包揽剩下的空间


这两家放一起,不打起来才怪了,VIA会担心NV搞小动作,而VIA所用的长处,也并不是NV的长处,这两家整合的代价太大了

要这两家合作成功的可能太低,而要整合,除非是VIA收购NV,VIA现在毕竟过的还不错,还没到要卖身的地步
原帖由 mxyou 于 2009-3-22 22:12 发表
我和你的看法的角度差异大,还是各说各话吧

SIS本来就不如VIA,VIA混到现在的样子,我可没认为VIA很光荣

我所认为的掌握,是VIA能整合折腾出好的东西出来,而不是弄成现在这副样子,缝缝补补又三年,三年又三年 ...


不是不想做好,而是实力限制,尤其是商业渠道和推广能力,在消费品市场没有足够的力量作大,而选择工控和嵌入,则可深入耕作,以图后起,毕竟VIA出的量还是不算少的,并且在工控这边利润比消费品那边大
原帖由 mxyou 于 2009-3-22 22:18 发表


这两家放一起,不打起来才怪了,VIA会担心NV搞小动作,而VIA所用的长处,也并不是NV的长处,这两家整合的代价太大了

要这两家合作成功的可能太低,而要整合,除非是VIA收购NV,VIA现在毕竟过的还不错,还没到 ...


现在是没有NV的VIA可以活下去,自己有CPU/芯片组/GPU,也算全平台了,而NV没有VIA则后续堪忧
X86 SoC……
我倒是知道一个AMD与别人合作的SoC项目…………
如果是NV收购VIA的话会失去X86的授权吧?最好还是表面让VIA收购NV然后实际上让NV入主VIA,不过貌似这个被VIA给否了.
原帖由 yigua 于 2009-3-23 00:49 发表
X86 SoC……
我倒是知道一个AMD与别人合作的SoC项目…………


真正的SOC是ST stpc/AMD Geode GX那样的东西,完全单芯片,而不是现在这样用单独的南桥

http://www.st.com/stonline/stapp ... _X_DOC&latest=N
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