超级军网巴披露FC1/YF17最新改进！
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http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.php?t=4905
翻一下重点：
There were five people involved in the discussion, your truly, another PakDef member (take a guess?), AVM Shahid Latif, Gp Capt Khalid Mehmood (of the Afghan fame), currently involved with the avionics of the JF-17 and another friend from the PAF. After introductions I started by asking the first question posted by Rafaqat “ 1. If PAF has conducted a training requirements assessment regarding induction of JF-17's, how will they be met ?’’ The AVM replied that yes we are working on simulators for JF-17 and they will play an essential part in the training of future JF-17 pilots. The rest of the discussion picked up from there and we discussed almost everything related to JF-17. According to AVM the radar has already been chosen for the JF-17, though he didn’t tell me what exact radar but I guessed it when he told me some specifications and he was kind enough to acknowledge that I got the right answer One radar is the Grifo S7 and the second radar is very similar to the one found on Mirage 2000-5, the only difference is the output power, 500 W instead of the 800 W. According to AVM after the sanctions were lifted many more companies joined the race for the supply of JF-17 avionics and weapons suite and of course this gave PAF some new choices. One example of it is that now JF-17 will feature a Helmet Display System (not Helmet Mounted System), with complete ToT of course. Regarding the engine I asked the AVM that if the engine is RD-93 then what guarantees are there that the Russians will not play hard-ball later? AVM replied that the Chinese have given Pakistan written guarantees and the Chinese themselves have written guarantees from Russia which they showed to Pakistan. About the smokey engine issue the AVM told me that one reason of it was that the Chinese were using some home-made (non NATO standard) fuel and second the PAF has told the Russians and the Chinese that PAF will not accept the engine unless the smoke issue is sorted out and they have assured the PAF that this problem will be sorted out very soon.
Currently there are four PAF test-pilots involved with the project (and tons of engineers and technicians) and I asked for some pictures of the third prototype that’s under going construction (by PAF engineers) and AVM promised that I will get them soon. Other than the pictures I will also get continuous updates about JF-17 project, i.e. how many hours logged, how many prototypes completed etc. and of course a full-fledged tour of the second JF-17 assembly line being constructed at Kamra
Many of you guys must be interested in knowing the cockpit layout, right? The JF-17 will feature three large colored MFD’s and two smaller ones (for RWR, AH etc.) and also a full-fledged integrated ECM suite. According to AVM the airframe weight of the JF-17 will also go down considerably after using some composites giving the JF-17 a better 1:1 TWR.
Regarding the weapons suite there are many options available to the PAF and according to the AVM some of the weapon deals will be finalized within a month (There were many A-G and A-A missile models on his side table including one of U-Darter).
Yes, we also discussed the J-10 for a while. Chinese have agreed in principle to supply the J-10 to Pakistan and right now PAF is waiting for a go ahead for the evaluation team. The whole process (after the go ahead to the evaluation team) is expected to take approximately a year
here will be ToT for every JF-17 part (including radar) – this is the most important point.
One important thing that I forgot to tell you all is that the production models of JF-17 will feature a full digital FBW and not a combination of conventional (hydraulic) and FBW.
巴空军元帅 Shahid Latif透露：
3大2小彩显，加抬头平显
加头盔显示器（非头盔发射器）
雷达功率500W，
全向线传飞控（非传统液压）
加复合材料
推重比 1：1
可带一堆空空、空地武器
改进发动机黑烟情况
技术转移
巴4飞行员和一票工程师已在中国
原则同意出售歼10
看来FC1新改进真可能赶上F-16C/D！http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.php?t=4905
翻一下重点：
There were five people involved in the discussion, your truly, another PakDef member (take a guess?), AVM Shahid Latif, Gp Capt Khalid Mehmood (of the Afghan fame), currently involved with the avionics of the JF-17 and another friend from the PAF. After introductions I started by asking the first question posted by Rafaqat “ 1. If PAF has conducted a training requirements assessment regarding induction of JF-17's, how will they be met ?’’ The AVM replied that yes we are working on simulators for JF-17 and they will play an essential part in the training of future JF-17 pilots. The rest of the discussion picked up from there and we discussed almost everything related to JF-17. According to AVM the radar has already been chosen for the JF-17, though he didn’t tell me what exact radar but I guessed it when he told me some specifications and he was kind enough to acknowledge that I got the right answer One radar is the Grifo S7 and the second radar is very similar to the one found on Mirage 2000-5, the only difference is the output power, 500 W instead of the 800 W. According to AVM after the sanctions were lifted many more companies joined the race for the supply of JF-17 avionics and weapons suite and of course this gave PAF some new choices. One example of it is that now JF-17 will feature a Helmet Display System (not Helmet Mounted System), with complete ToT of course. Regarding the engine I asked the AVM that if the engine is RD-93 then what guarantees are there that the Russians will not play hard-ball later? AVM replied that the Chinese have given Pakistan written guarantees and the Chinese themselves have written guarantees from Russia which they showed to Pakistan. About the smokey engine issue the AVM told me that one reason of it was that the Chinese were using some home-made (non NATO standard) fuel and second the PAF has told the Russians and the Chinese that PAF will not accept the engine unless the smoke issue is sorted out and they have assured the PAF that this problem will be sorted out very soon.
Currently there are four PAF test-pilots involved with the project (and tons of engineers and technicians) and I asked for some pictures of the third prototype that’s under going construction (by PAF engineers) and AVM promised that I will get them soon. Other than the pictures I will also get continuous updates about JF-17 project, i.e. how many hours logged, how many prototypes completed etc. and of course a full-fledged tour of the second JF-17 assembly line being constructed at Kamra
Many of you guys must be interested in knowing the cockpit layout, right? The JF-17 will feature three large colored MFD’s and two smaller ones (for RWR, AH etc.) and also a full-fledged integrated ECM suite. According to AVM the airframe weight of the JF-17 will also go down considerably after using some composites giving the JF-17 a better 1:1 TWR.
Regarding the weapons suite there are many options available to the PAF and according to the AVM some of the weapon deals will be finalized within a month (There were many A-G and A-A missile models on his side table including one of U-Darter).
Yes, we also discussed the J-10 for a while. Chinese have agreed in principle to supply the J-10 to Pakistan and right now PAF is waiting for a go ahead for the evaluation team. The whole process (after the go ahead to the evaluation team) is expected to take approximately a year
here will be ToT for every JF-17 part (including radar) – this is the most important point.
One important thing that I forgot to tell you all is that the production models of JF-17 will feature a full digital FBW and not a combination of conventional (hydraulic) and FBW.
巴空军元帅 Shahid Latif透露：
3大2小彩显，加抬头平显
加头盔显示器（非头盔发射器）
雷达功率500W，
全向线传飞控（非传统液压）
加复合材料
推重比 1：1
可带一堆空空、空地武器
改进发动机黑烟情况
技术转移
巴4飞行员和一票工程师已在中国
原则同意出售歼10
看来FC1新改进真可能赶上F-16C/D！
翻一下重点：
There were five people involved in the discussion, your truly, another PakDef member (take a guess?), AVM Shahid Latif, Gp Capt Khalid Mehmood (of the Afghan fame), currently involved with the avionics of the JF-17 and another friend from the PAF. After introductions I started by asking the first question posted by Rafaqat “ 1. If PAF has conducted a training requirements assessment regarding induction of JF-17's, how will they be met ?’’ The AVM replied that yes we are working on simulators for JF-17 and they will play an essential part in the training of future JF-17 pilots. The rest of the discussion picked up from there and we discussed almost everything related to JF-17. According to AVM the radar has already been chosen for the JF-17, though he didn’t tell me what exact radar but I guessed it when he told me some specifications and he was kind enough to acknowledge that I got the right answer One radar is the Grifo S7 and the second radar is very similar to the one found on Mirage 2000-5, the only difference is the output power, 500 W instead of the 800 W. According to AVM after the sanctions were lifted many more companies joined the race for the supply of JF-17 avionics and weapons suite and of course this gave PAF some new choices. One example of it is that now JF-17 will feature a Helmet Display System (not Helmet Mounted System), with complete ToT of course. Regarding the engine I asked the AVM that if the engine is RD-93 then what guarantees are there that the Russians will not play hard-ball later? AVM replied that the Chinese have given Pakistan written guarantees and the Chinese themselves have written guarantees from Russia which they showed to Pakistan. About the smokey engine issue the AVM told me that one reason of it was that the Chinese were using some home-made (non NATO standard) fuel and second the PAF has told the Russians and the Chinese that PAF will not accept the engine unless the smoke issue is sorted out and they have assured the PAF that this problem will be sorted out very soon.
Currently there are four PAF test-pilots involved with the project (and tons of engineers and technicians) and I asked for some pictures of the third prototype that’s under going construction (by PAF engineers) and AVM promised that I will get them soon. Other than the pictures I will also get continuous updates about JF-17 project, i.e. how many hours logged, how many prototypes completed etc. and of course a full-fledged tour of the second JF-17 assembly line being constructed at Kamra
Many of you guys must be interested in knowing the cockpit layout, right? The JF-17 will feature three large colored MFD’s and two smaller ones (for RWR, AH etc.) and also a full-fledged integrated ECM suite. According to AVM the airframe weight of the JF-17 will also go down considerably after using some composites giving the JF-17 a better 1:1 TWR.
Regarding the weapons suite there are many options available to the PAF and according to the AVM some of the weapon deals will be finalized within a month (There were many A-G and A-A missile models on his side table including one of U-Darter).
Yes, we also discussed the J-10 for a while. Chinese have agreed in principle to supply the J-10 to Pakistan and right now PAF is waiting for a go ahead for the evaluation team. The whole process (after the go ahead to the evaluation team) is expected to take approximately a year
here will be ToT for every JF-17 part (including radar) – this is the most important point.
One important thing that I forgot to tell you all is that the production models of JF-17 will feature a full digital FBW and not a combination of conventional (hydraulic) and FBW.
巴空军元帅 Shahid Latif透露：
3大2小彩显，加抬头平显
加头盔显示器（非头盔发射器）
雷达功率500W，
全向线传飞控（非传统液压）
加复合材料
推重比 1：1
可带一堆空空、空地武器
改进发动机黑烟情况
技术转移
巴4飞行员和一票工程师已在中国
原则同意出售歼10
看来FC1新改进真可能赶上F-16C/D！http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.php?t=4905
翻一下重点：
There were five people involved in the discussion, your truly, another PakDef member (take a guess?), AVM Shahid Latif, Gp Capt Khalid Mehmood (of the Afghan fame), currently involved with the avionics of the JF-17 and another friend from the PAF. After introductions I started by asking the first question posted by Rafaqat “ 1. If PAF has conducted a training requirements assessment regarding induction of JF-17's, how will they be met ?’’ The AVM replied that yes we are working on simulators for JF-17 and they will play an essential part in the training of future JF-17 pilots. The rest of the discussion picked up from there and we discussed almost everything related to JF-17. According to AVM the radar has already been chosen for the JF-17, though he didn’t tell me what exact radar but I guessed it when he told me some specifications and he was kind enough to acknowledge that I got the right answer One radar is the Grifo S7 and the second radar is very similar to the one found on Mirage 2000-5, the only difference is the output power, 500 W instead of the 800 W. According to AVM after the sanctions were lifted many more companies joined the race for the supply of JF-17 avionics and weapons suite and of course this gave PAF some new choices. One example of it is that now JF-17 will feature a Helmet Display System (not Helmet Mounted System), with complete ToT of course. Regarding the engine I asked the AVM that if the engine is RD-93 then what guarantees are there that the Russians will not play hard-ball later? AVM replied that the Chinese have given Pakistan written guarantees and the Chinese themselves have written guarantees from Russia which they showed to Pakistan. About the smokey engine issue the AVM told me that one reason of it was that the Chinese were using some home-made (non NATO standard) fuel and second the PAF has told the Russians and the Chinese that PAF will not accept the engine unless the smoke issue is sorted out and they have assured the PAF that this problem will be sorted out very soon.
Currently there are four PAF test-pilots involved with the project (and tons of engineers and technicians) and I asked for some pictures of the third prototype that’s under going construction (by PAF engineers) and AVM promised that I will get them soon. Other than the pictures I will also get continuous updates about JF-17 project, i.e. how many hours logged, how many prototypes completed etc. and of course a full-fledged tour of the second JF-17 assembly line being constructed at Kamra
Many of you guys must be interested in knowing the cockpit layout, right? The JF-17 will feature three large colored MFD’s and two smaller ones (for RWR, AH etc.) and also a full-fledged integrated ECM suite. According to AVM the airframe weight of the JF-17 will also go down considerably after using some composites giving the JF-17 a better 1:1 TWR.
Regarding the weapons suite there are many options available to the PAF and according to the AVM some of the weapon deals will be finalized within a month (There were many A-G and A-A missile models on his side table including one of U-Darter).
Yes, we also discussed the J-10 for a while. Chinese have agreed in principle to supply the J-10 to Pakistan and right now PAF is waiting for a go ahead for the evaluation team. The whole process (after the go ahead to the evaluation team) is expected to take approximately a year
here will be ToT for every JF-17 part (including radar) – this is the most important point.
One important thing that I forgot to tell you all is that the production models of JF-17 will feature a full digital FBW and not a combination of conventional (hydraulic) and FBW.
巴空军元帅 Shahid Latif透露：
3大2小彩显，加抬头平显
加头盔显示器（非头盔发射器）
雷达功率500W，
全向线传飞控（非传统液压）
加复合材料
推重比 1：1
可带一堆空空、空地武器
改进发动机黑烟情况
技术转移
巴4飞行员和一票工程师已在中国
原则同意出售歼10
看来FC1新改进真可能赶上F-16C/D！
10不买
看来FC1新改进真可能赶上F-16C/D~~~~~什么时候能赶上F-16I啊
看得真tmd累啊，大学的时候应该少玩点游戏，少泡点妞，多记点英语单词……
怀疑真实性。j10我们都还没公开怎么就能和小巴谈呢。文章的内容我感觉是外人所写。
10里面很多技术是从小巴那边过来的。10号是肯定要卖给小巴的
hao
10号肯定要卖给小巴
10号 不能卖
看不懂
好！
10为什么不能卖
如果卖10号，则完全有可能泄露大量机密，巴向来与美国交好，是其南亚的盟友（美向其出口F-16就是例证），真担心...
以下是引用xlc在2004-4-6 17:55:00的发言：
如果卖10号，则完全有可能泄露大量机密，巴向来与美国交好，是其南亚的盟友（美向其出口F-16就是例证），真担心...
可以有所保留嘛
说哪年才卖J-10了吗？
好
看来FC1新改进真可能赶上F-16C/D~~~~~什么时候能赶上F-16I啊
以下是引用蛋珠警察在2004-4-6 18:27:00的发言：
说哪年才卖J-10了吗？
等J-13出来的时候就可以了！[em00][em00][em00]
以我们一贯的风格，啥时候卖十，就是暗示已有或落实新一代战机。估计那时我们就可以兴致勃勃地狂猜新歼的情况了。
10是可以卖的，不过要N年后
怎么不能卖了，10到如今着份上了，早让人家国外的军事专家研究透了。
还有什么关键技术好保留的！
还有什么关键技术好保留的！
n年后就卖不出去了，某些人思想就是老套
看见这么长的英文就头痛!
看来有些人口头上老是喊什么小巴兄弟的，可是心里还是不相信人家，既然不相信人家你喊那么亲热做什么呢
练习一下英文翻译：
有五个人参加了本次讨论，本人，巴国防部成员（PakDef），Shahid Latif（AVM，可能是飞行器项目经理），Khalid Mehmood（GP Capt. 了解JF17电子设备），巴空军成员。 在自我介绍之后，我开始问第一个问题
Rafaqat：“如果巴空军对JF17的训练进行要求评估，那么他们如何衡量？”
AVM：“我们正在开发JF17的模拟器，它将是将来JF17飞行员培训的重要组成部分”
我们讨论了几乎所有和JF17相关的东西，根据AVM介绍，雷达型号已经确定但是无法透露具体型号，但是当他告诉我相关规范的时候，我根据他在这方面足够的经验可以猜想到一部雷达是Grifo S7， 第二选择是和幻影2000－5类似的型号，唯一不同在于输出功率采用500瓦而不是800瓦。 在许多厂商获得JF17电子和武器系统提供商许可之后，巴空军获得了许多新的选择。举一个例子：现在JF17具备了完全技术移交的头盔显示系统（但不是头盔装载系统？？是不是瞄准系统）。 关于引擎，我问AVM是否采用RD－93，有没有什么保证是俄国人不在刷手段？ AVM回答中国已经授予巴国保证书，而且中国也和俄国签署了销售给巴国的担保书。关于引擎烟雾的问题，AVM告诉我原因之一是中国采用了一些自己研发的（而非北约标准的）燃料，另外巴空军已经通知俄国和中国，巴空军将不接受引擎除非这个问题被解决，他们已经肯定答应这个问题会立刻解决。
现在总共有四名巴空军飞行员参加这个项目，以及几十个工程师和技术人员。我请求获得正在巴国建造的3架原型机的照片，AVM答应我会很快可以得到。 除此之外我还将获得JF17进一步的信息，例如，多少小时的飞行记录，多少原型机完成，当然还有第二条生产线在Kamra建立的整个过程。
你们中的许多人一定非常关心座舱的布局，是吗？JF17将采用3个大型彩色MFD显示器和两个小一号的显示器（RWR，AH，可能是对地武器雷达），和一个完全整合的ECM电子对抗系统。
根据AVM，机身重量在采用复合材料后也适当减轻，使得JF17的推重比达到1：1
至于武器系统，巴空军有许多选择，根据AVM，一些武器合同将在一个月内签署。（有许多空地和空空导弹型号清单在他桌子上，其中包括U－Darter）
是的，我们也谈论了歼十，中国原则上同意向巴基斯坦提供歼十，现在巴空军正等待评估组的组建。整个过程预期持续一年。
重要一点：这里将是每个JF17部件（包括雷达）的移交场所
另外一个重要的是我忘记告诉你所有JF17的产品型号将采用全数字线传飞控系统而不是液压和线传飞控的组合
有五个人参加了本次讨论，本人，巴国防部成员（PakDef），Shahid Latif（AVM，可能是飞行器项目经理），Khalid Mehmood（GP Capt. 了解JF17电子设备），巴空军成员。 在自我介绍之后，我开始问第一个问题
Rafaqat：“如果巴空军对JF17的训练进行要求评估，那么他们如何衡量？”
AVM：“我们正在开发JF17的模拟器，它将是将来JF17飞行员培训的重要组成部分”
我们讨论了几乎所有和JF17相关的东西，根据AVM介绍，雷达型号已经确定但是无法透露具体型号，但是当他告诉我相关规范的时候，我根据他在这方面足够的经验可以猜想到一部雷达是Grifo S7， 第二选择是和幻影2000－5类似的型号，唯一不同在于输出功率采用500瓦而不是800瓦。 在许多厂商获得JF17电子和武器系统提供商许可之后，巴空军获得了许多新的选择。举一个例子：现在JF17具备了完全技术移交的头盔显示系统（但不是头盔装载系统？？是不是瞄准系统）。 关于引擎，我问AVM是否采用RD－93，有没有什么保证是俄国人不在刷手段？ AVM回答中国已经授予巴国保证书，而且中国也和俄国签署了销售给巴国的担保书。关于引擎烟雾的问题，AVM告诉我原因之一是中国采用了一些自己研发的（而非北约标准的）燃料，另外巴空军已经通知俄国和中国，巴空军将不接受引擎除非这个问题被解决，他们已经肯定答应这个问题会立刻解决。
现在总共有四名巴空军飞行员参加这个项目，以及几十个工程师和技术人员。我请求获得正在巴国建造的3架原型机的照片，AVM答应我会很快可以得到。 除此之外我还将获得JF17进一步的信息，例如，多少小时的飞行记录，多少原型机完成，当然还有第二条生产线在Kamra建立的整个过程。
你们中的许多人一定非常关心座舱的布局，是吗？JF17将采用3个大型彩色MFD显示器和两个小一号的显示器（RWR，AH，可能是对地武器雷达），和一个完全整合的ECM电子对抗系统。
根据AVM，机身重量在采用复合材料后也适当减轻，使得JF17的推重比达到1：1
至于武器系统，巴空军有许多选择，根据AVM，一些武器合同将在一个月内签署。（有许多空地和空空导弹型号清单在他桌子上，其中包括U－Darter）
是的，我们也谈论了歼十，中国原则上同意向巴基斯坦提供歼十，现在巴空军正等待评估组的组建。整个过程预期持续一年。
重要一点：这里将是每个JF17部件（包括雷达）的移交场所
另外一个重要的是我忘记告诉你所有JF17的产品型号将采用全数字线传飞控系统而不是液压和线传飞控的组合
枭龙2型的黑烟问题好象还是没有解决，我上次去看的时候，就看见FC-1（2型）起飞的时候尾部有轻微黑烟
卖，赚到钱开发新的
其实没有什么么！！soso!!
只要他要就可以买！
歼10不能卖，不论是谁！
[此贴子已经被作者于2004-4-9 13:59:02编辑过]
看不懂！
建议现保留J10一段时间再说
给钱就可以改装，有什么啊，呵呵
F-16可是小巴给我们了一架研究！
F-10据说现在全力生产都不够用，还谈什么出口啊。
我们应该先造一堆10号,上千架,自己用者,等小巴和啊三干上了再卖
不可能
卖老巴再等10年吧
我们就是这样对待巴基斯坦这个我们所谓最坚定的盟友？