为什么052C要用亚音速弹?

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052B上都用了双速制的YJ83了,为何052C反而倒退一步?难道就因为射程远?还是超音速弹技术不过关?费解ING......052B上都用了双速制的YJ83了,为何052C反而倒退一步?难道就因为射程远?还是超音速弹技术不过关?费解ING......
轻,小,隐身,远,红外信号小,等等.
难道研制超音速弹就是错误?这个YJ62比宝石好?
这个问题以前讨论过,楼主先弄明白为什么美国海军那么先进也是用亚音速蛋,翻翻以前的帖子吧
<p>各有各的思路,追求更远并发展对陆攻击型可能是发展62的动机之一.</p><p>宝石是好,可人家还不是发展了俱乐部和天王星嘛?</p>
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>军情观察员</i>在2006-1-28 13:06:00的发言:</b><br/>这个问题以前讨论过,楼主先弄明白为什么美国海军那么先进也是用亚音速蛋,翻翻以前的帖子吧</div><p>美国是中国能比的吗?</p><p>只是搞不懂,以前吹超音速时说对老美有多大多大优势,好象几个超音速弹放过去宙斯盾就成纸糊的了;现在说亚音速蛋又拿老美当挡剑牌.........受不了......</p>
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>中华飞刀</i>在2006-1-28 13:13:00的发言:</b><br/><div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>军情观察员</i>在2006-1-28 13:06:00的发言:</b><br/>这个问题以前讨论过,楼主先弄明白为什么美国海军那么先进也是用亚音速蛋,翻翻以前的帖子吧</div><p>美国是中国能比的吗?</p><p>只是搞不懂,以前吹超音速时说对老美有多大多大优势,好象几个超音速弹放过去宙斯盾就成纸糊的了;现在说亚音速蛋又拿老美当挡剑牌.........受不了......</p></div><p>本来就是各有千秋嘛.</p>
<p>超音速速度快但会牺牲很多东西,机动性,隐身,控制等很多问题,所以美军也做过对比试验,但最后放弃超音速。至于我们和毛子为什么喜欢,还不是因为打航母吗,蛋海战术,机会主义,没办法。武器并不是速度快就好,要综合考虑。</p>
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>军情观察员</i>在2006-1-28 13:30:00的发言:</b><br/><p>超音速速度快但会牺牲很多东西,机动性,隐身,控制等很多问题,所以美军也做过对比试验,但最后放弃超音速。至于我们和毛子为什么喜欢,还不是因为打航母吗,蛋海战术,机会主义,没办法。武器并不是速度快就好,要综合考虑。</p></div><p></p>既然喜欢为啥不用?还是技术不过关吗?
高超音速应该是未来反舰弹的发展趋势,好多国家都在搞这个.
<p>中國在90年代初也搞出了C-101超音速導彈,不過海軍試用後覺得這種導彈有射程短,體積大、質量大等缺點,如果裝備到現役艦隻上,將大幅減少艦艇的攜彈量,也就削弱了艦隊在海上的持續作戰能力,某些型號艦艇甚至需要加以改裝才可以安裝C-101;潛射型就別提了,空射型也隻有JH-7和SH-5可以承受得起,不過飛機機動性和航程都將大受影響。另外,C-101的射程僅80公裏,同C-801A相比並無明顯優勢,發射前還需爲沖壓發動機准備液體燃料,反應時間不升反降。C-101雖然裝藥多,速度快,但是塊頭也大,一發射就被雷達捉個正著,龐大、笨重的身驅給敵人的防禦武器提供了一個很好的靶子。其長兄C-301實在也好不到哪兒去。如此多的缺點也就不難理解爲什麽軍方一直不願采用C-101/301的原因了。由此可見,在新一代海空軍通用超音速反艦導彈生産出來之前的5到10年內,也就隻有靠C-803來支撐起海防的重任了。不論“紅寶石”會否進入引進到中國,現在C-803對中國海軍來說都不失爲一種價廉物美、值得信賴的國産反艦導彈<br/></p>
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>f22</i>在2006-1-28 12:55:00的发言:</b><br/>轻,小,隐身,远,红外信号小,等等.</div><p>看轰六的挂弹图片中,那个602好象体现不出这些特征来啊</p>
<p>在新一代海空軍通用超音速反艦導彈生産出來之前的5到10年內,也就隻有靠C-803來支撐起海防的重任了。不論“紅寶石”會否進入引進到中國,現在C-803對中國海軍來說都不失爲一種價廉物美、值得信賴的國産反艦導彈<br/>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p>为啥052C又改成那个YJ62呢?难道这东东比C-803更好?051C是不是也用这个?</p>
以前的老帖子好象很难找啊[em06]
超音速所需的冲压发动机我们没有完全掌握呀!
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>zyz201</i>在2006-1-28 13:55:00的发言:</b><br/><div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>f22</i>在2006-1-28 12:55:00的发言:</b><br/>轻,小,隐身,远,红外信号小,等等.</div><p>看轰六的挂弹图片中,那个602好象体现不出这些特征来啊</p></div><p></p><p>这是两种弹,不可比.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
YJ62价格便宜量又多,我们一直在用他。哈哈,开玩笑了,这个蛋射程远,可以超视距进攻,好像最近海空都在换这个蛋。最为当今红人,051c为何不用。鹰击62超音速反地(或反舰)巡航导弹,没出C字头的,应该还没有外销。那么,这应该是技术比较新的东西。这个导弹厨子应该关注,因为,他的射程大概580公里左右,嘿嘿,差不多刚好在现有航母攻击群的防卫圈之外。估计是针对美国对台海事务可能作出的武装干预而研制的,其任务定义为在需要时,吓阻美航母战斗群进入台湾海峡并在吓阻无效后,从航母防卫圈之外发射将其击沉。导弹也有攻地的能力。同C802 SLAM相比,YJ62是专门设计打造的远程战术巡航导弹。这个导弹最近国内好像已经有媒体在报道了&nbsp;<br/>  <br/>  巡航导弹用的涡扇发动机WS500发动机首次在2004年低的珠海航空展上展出。由中国燃气涡伦研究开发的WS500发动机声称能够产生1125磅的推力。相比之下,欧洲的“风暴影”、斯卡普”导弹发动机产生的推力为1215磅,美国的“战斧”巡航导弹为700磅。不过目前尚不清楚YJ-62将要使用哪种发动机
<p>YJ62价格便宜量又多,我们一直在用他</p><p>------------------------------------</p><p>052C作为中国最先进的军舰,会用这种导弹?空射型早就有了吧?没有绝对的先进性,还不如用YJ83.</p>
[此贴子已经被作者于2006-1-28 15:10:16编辑过]
<p>YJ83也是亚音速导弹,它根本超不起来</p><p>--------------------------------</p><p>99年阅兵的时候就把它称为抄音速导弹.</p>
83是末端8千米转入超音速1.4M.
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>中华飞刀</i>在2006-1-28 15:01:00的发言:</b><br/><p>YJ83也是亚音速导弹,它根本超不起来</p><p>--------------------------------</p><p>99年阅兵的时候就把它称为抄音速导弹.</p></div><p>CCTV的军事素养一贯是广大军米的笑料,不严谨的很.</p>
不知道这家伙对宙斯盾和基德的突防效果怎样?
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>北斗之风</i>在2006-1-28 15:15:00的发言:</b><br/><div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>中华飞刀</i>在2006-1-28 15:01:00的发言:</b><br/><p>YJ83也是亚音速导弹,它根本超不起来</p><p>--------------------------------</p><p>99年阅兵的时候就把它称为抄音速导弹.</p></div><p>CCTV的军事素养一贯是广大军米的笑料,不严谨的很.</p></div><p>99年阅兵的解说词应该不是CCTV自己编的吧?</p>
还不如YJ83?好好学习学习再来发言。
<p>大家想想豹子曾经挂过的两枚超音速弹的模型吧。左右矩形进气的那个。</p><p></p>
<br/><br/><br/><span class="tpc_content"><font size="3">YJ-62 ANTI-SHIP CRUISE MISSILE<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> QV 忪U谦 Z </span><br/>&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> 叔?浥?D </span><br/>&nbsp;The YingJi-62 (YJ-62) is a long-range subsonic anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) developed by China Haiying Electro-Mechanical Technology Academy (CHETA, also known as 3rd Aerospace Academy). The missile was first spotted onboard the Type 052C (Lanzhou class) destroyers commissioned in 2004. 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Unlike the PLA Navy’s existing YJ-8 series anti-ship missiles, which are launched from a box-shape launcher, the new missile employs a cylinder-shape launcher similar to those found on the U.S. Harpoon and French Exocet missile systems. An Internet source photo published later suggested that the new missile was the PLA Navy’s latest YJ-62 long-range ASCM, which features a maximum range of 280km and INS/GPS + active radar guidance.<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> ▂?En叟;X </span><br/>&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> Z?萍*筣 </span><br/>&nbsp;Despite carrying the development variant designation of the YingJi-6 (YJ-6, also known as C-601 in its export name, NATO codename: CAS-1 Kraken) anti-ship missile family, which was developed from the 1950s-era Soviet SS-N-2 Styx missile, the new YJ-62 missile bears little resemblance to the YJ-6. 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CPMIEC claimed that the YJ-62 is fitted with a frequency agile radar seeker, giving the missile much greater resistance to jamming compared to the mono-pulse radar seekers fitted on previous Chinese indigenous anti-ship missiles.<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> 喊雀cLF?</span><br/>&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> ??%皛Z?</span><br/>&nbsp;The YJ-62 ASCM outperforms most Western and Russian anti-ship missiles in terms of range and warhead mass, thought it is not clear whether the missile possesses the same accuracy and anti-jamming capability. Nevertheless, it demonstrates China’s capability to design and develop a world-class advanced anti-ship missile. As well as being able to attack surface ships, the YJ-62 fitted with an alternative guidance system may also be capable of attacking land targets, giving its carrier ship the long-range, stand-off precision strike capability.<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> 8湢?eE鑵 </span><br/>&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> +稆茴Gs5?</span><br/>&nbsp;MISSILE<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> ?鑸?t#? </span><br/>&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 0pt; COLOR: #f3f6fa;"> ㄎ?BE绋胴 </span><br/>&nbsp;The YJ-62 is a conventional cruise missile design, with mid-body wings which deploy following launch. The engine inlet is mounted slightly forward of the cruciform tail fins. The missile is 6.1m long, without the 0.9m launch booster, and weights 1,140kg. The solid propellant booster weighs an additional 210kg. 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<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<i>中华飞刀</i>在2006-1-28 13:33:00的发言:</B><br>高超音速应该是未来反舰弹的发展趋势,好多国家都在搞这个.</DIV><p>
这个所谓YJ-62的“空压机”好象应该翻译为“助推器”才准确吧?
<p>换个方法问大家就比较理解了</p><p>为什么052C不用很成熟也很可靠的83?</p><p></p>
<p>射程无他</p>
052C上的是超音速蛋!不是YJ62!
<p>哪个见过所谓62蛋去壳的本尊,鸟知道能不能超音数;</p><p>再说52c是搞区域防空,去追求反舰弹凶猛干吗?</p>[em05]
有道理,超音速的发动机不好掌握