超级军网澳洲国防部网站正式信息：选择法国潜艇
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这是澳洲国防部网站正式对媒体发布的信息。
没什么值得翻译的东西，就是一段简单叙述DCNS获胜的理由，其实也是帐面上的。
http://www.aspistrategist.org.au ... -future-submarines/
http://www.minister.defence.gov. ... -submarine-program/
Prime Minister, Minister for Defence – Joint media release – Future submarine program
26 April 2016
The Turnbull Government today announces that the next generation of submarines for Australia will be constructed at the Adelaide shipyard, securing thousands of jobs and ensuring the project will play a key part in the transition of our economy.
DCNS of France has been selected as our preferred international partner for the design of the 12 Future Submarines, subject to further discussions on commercial matters.
Along with our recent naval shipbuilding announcements, the commitment to an Australian build will create a sustainable Australian naval shipbuilding industry and provide the certainty that industry requires to invest in innovation and technology and grow its workforce.
The Future Submarine project is the largest and most complex defence acquisition Australia has ever undertaken. It will be a vital part of our Defence capability well into the middle of this century.
This $50 billion investment will directly sustain around 1,100 Australian jobs and a further 1,700 Australian jobs through the supply chain.
Today’s announcement follows the comprehensive Competitive Evaluation Process (CEP) involving DCNS, TKMS of Germany and the Government of Japan. Each bidder submitted very high quality proposals and the Australian Government takes this opportunity to thank both TKMS and the Government of Japan for their ongoing commitment to Australia and their participation in the process.
The CEP has provided the Government with the detailed information required to select DCNS as the most suitable international partner to develop a regionally-superior future submarine to meet our unique national security requirements, as detailed in the 2016 Defence White Paper.
This rigorous and independent process was led by Head of the Future Submarine Program, Rear Admiral Greg Sammut AM CSC, and General Manager Submarines, Rear Admiral Stephen Johnson USN (retired), who was previously in charge of the program to replace the Ohio Class ballistic missile submarines.
The process was overseen by an independent Expert Advisory Panel, chaired by former Secretary of the United States Navy, Professor Donald Winter. It was peer reviewed by Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan USN (retired) and Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (retired).
This decision was driven by DCNS’s ability to best meet all of our unique capability requirements. These included superior sensor performance and stealth characteristics, as well as range and endurance similar to the Collins Class submarine. The Government’s considerations also included cost, schedule, program execution, through-life support and Australian industry involvement.
这项决定是基于DCNS的提案最符合我方的需求，包括更好的传感器性能表现、隐身特徵，以及续航距离、自持力都与现役柯林斯级相近。官方考量还包括成本、时程规划、计画执行、寿期支持、澳洲工业界参与等。
Subject to discussions on commercial matters, the design of the Future Submarine with DCNS will begin this year.
The Turnbull Government is also conducting a strategic review of the workforce, skills and infrastructure needs to deliver this key capability as part of its Naval Shipbuilding Plan, to be released this year. The Plan will bring together the requirements for the Future Submarine program, along with the more than $35 billion Future Frigate program and the more than $3 billion Offshore Patrol Vessel program, as part of the broader continuous naval shipbuilding philosophy to which the Government is committed.
The Turnbull Government will maximise Australian industry involvement in the program and will work closely with DCNS to identify opportunities for local businesses to integrate into the supply chain.
Media Contacts:
Prime Minister’s Office: John Garnaut – 0481 463 891
Defence Minister’s Office: Henry Budd – 0429 531 143这是澳洲国防部网站正式对媒体发布的信息。
没什么值得翻译的东西，就是一段简单叙述DCNS获胜的理由，其实也是帐面上的。
http://www.aspistrategist.org.au ... -future-submarines/
http://www.minister.defence.gov. ... -submarine-program/
Prime Minister, Minister for Defence – Joint media release – Future submarine program
26 April 2016
The Turnbull Government today announces that the next generation of submarines for Australia will be constructed at the Adelaide shipyard, securing thousands of jobs and ensuring the project will play a key part in the transition of our economy.
DCNS of France has been selected as our preferred international partner for the design of the 12 Future Submarines, subject to further discussions on commercial matters.
Along with our recent naval shipbuilding announcements, the commitment to an Australian build will create a sustainable Australian naval shipbuilding industry and provide the certainty that industry requires to invest in innovation and technology and grow its workforce.
The Future Submarine project is the largest and most complex defence acquisition Australia has ever undertaken. It will be a vital part of our Defence capability well into the middle of this century.
This $50 billion investment will directly sustain around 1,100 Australian jobs and a further 1,700 Australian jobs through the supply chain.
Today’s announcement follows the comprehensive Competitive Evaluation Process (CEP) involving DCNS, TKMS of Germany and the Government of Japan. Each bidder submitted very high quality proposals and the Australian Government takes this opportunity to thank both TKMS and the Government of Japan for their ongoing commitment to Australia and their participation in the process.
The CEP has provided the Government with the detailed information required to select DCNS as the most suitable international partner to develop a regionally-superior future submarine to meet our unique national security requirements, as detailed in the 2016 Defence White Paper.
This rigorous and independent process was led by Head of the Future Submarine Program, Rear Admiral Greg Sammut AM CSC, and General Manager Submarines, Rear Admiral Stephen Johnson USN (retired), who was previously in charge of the program to replace the Ohio Class ballistic missile submarines.
The process was overseen by an independent Expert Advisory Panel, chaired by former Secretary of the United States Navy, Professor Donald Winter. It was peer reviewed by Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan USN (retired) and Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (retired).
This decision was driven by DCNS’s ability to best meet all of our unique capability requirements. These included superior sensor performance and stealth characteristics, as well as range and endurance similar to the Collins Class submarine. The Government’s considerations also included cost, schedule, program execution, through-life support and Australian industry involvement.
这项决定是基于DCNS的提案最符合我方的需求，包括更好的传感器性能表现、隐身特徵，以及续航距离、自持力都与现役柯林斯级相近。官方考量还包括成本、时程规划、计画执行、寿期支持、澳洲工业界参与等。
Subject to discussions on commercial matters, the design of the Future Submarine with DCNS will begin this year.
The Turnbull Government is also conducting a strategic review of the workforce, skills and infrastructure needs to deliver this key capability as part of its Naval Shipbuilding Plan, to be released this year. The Plan will bring together the requirements for the Future Submarine program, along with the more than $35 billion Future Frigate program and the more than $3 billion Offshore Patrol Vessel program, as part of the broader continuous naval shipbuilding philosophy to which the Government is committed.
The Turnbull Government will maximise Australian industry involvement in the program and will work closely with DCNS to identify opportunities for local businesses to integrate into the supply chain.
Media Contacts:
Prime Minister’s Office: John Garnaut – 0481 463 891
Defence Minister’s Office: Henry Budd – 0429 531 143
没什么值得翻译的东西，就是一段简单叙述DCNS获胜的理由，其实也是帐面上的。
http://www.aspistrategist.org.au ... -future-submarines/
http://www.minister.defence.gov. ... -submarine-program/
Prime Minister, Minister for Defence – Joint media release – Future submarine program
26 April 2016
The Turnbull Government today announces that the next generation of submarines for Australia will be constructed at the Adelaide shipyard, securing thousands of jobs and ensuring the project will play a key part in the transition of our economy.
DCNS of France has been selected as our preferred international partner for the design of the 12 Future Submarines, subject to further discussions on commercial matters.
Along with our recent naval shipbuilding announcements, the commitment to an Australian build will create a sustainable Australian naval shipbuilding industry and provide the certainty that industry requires to invest in innovation and technology and grow its workforce.
The Future Submarine project is the largest and most complex defence acquisition Australia has ever undertaken. It will be a vital part of our Defence capability well into the middle of this century.
This $50 billion investment will directly sustain around 1,100 Australian jobs and a further 1,700 Australian jobs through the supply chain.
Today’s announcement follows the comprehensive Competitive Evaluation Process (CEP) involving DCNS, TKMS of Germany and the Government of Japan. Each bidder submitted very high quality proposals and the Australian Government takes this opportunity to thank both TKMS and the Government of Japan for their ongoing commitment to Australia and their participation in the process.
The CEP has provided the Government with the detailed information required to select DCNS as the most suitable international partner to develop a regionally-superior future submarine to meet our unique national security requirements, as detailed in the 2016 Defence White Paper.
This rigorous and independent process was led by Head of the Future Submarine Program, Rear Admiral Greg Sammut AM CSC, and General Manager Submarines, Rear Admiral Stephen Johnson USN (retired), who was previously in charge of the program to replace the Ohio Class ballistic missile submarines.
The process was overseen by an independent Expert Advisory Panel, chaired by former Secretary of the United States Navy, Professor Donald Winter. It was peer reviewed by Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan USN (retired) and Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (retired).
This decision was driven by DCNS’s ability to best meet all of our unique capability requirements. These included superior sensor performance and stealth characteristics, as well as range and endurance similar to the Collins Class submarine. The Government’s considerations also included cost, schedule, program execution, through-life support and Australian industry involvement.
这项决定是基于DCNS的提案最符合我方的需求，包括更好的传感器性能表现、隐身特徵，以及续航距离、自持力都与现役柯林斯级相近。官方考量还包括成本、时程规划、计画执行、寿期支持、澳洲工业界参与等。
Subject to discussions on commercial matters, the design of the Future Submarine with DCNS will begin this year.
The Turnbull Government is also conducting a strategic review of the workforce, skills and infrastructure needs to deliver this key capability as part of its Naval Shipbuilding Plan, to be released this year. The Plan will bring together the requirements for the Future Submarine program, along with the more than $35 billion Future Frigate program and the more than $3 billion Offshore Patrol Vessel program, as part of the broader continuous naval shipbuilding philosophy to which the Government is committed.
The Turnbull Government will maximise Australian industry involvement in the program and will work closely with DCNS to identify opportunities for local businesses to integrate into the supply chain.
Media Contacts:
Prime Minister’s Office: John Garnaut – 0481 463 891
Defence Minister’s Office: Henry Budd – 0429 531 143这是澳洲国防部网站正式对媒体发布的信息。
没什么值得翻译的东西，就是一段简单叙述DCNS获胜的理由，其实也是帐面上的。
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http://www.aspistrategist.org.au ... -future-submarines/
http://www.minister.defence.gov. ... -submarine-program/
Prime Minister, Minister for Defence – Joint media release – Future submarine program
26 April 2016
The Turnbull Government today announces that the next generation of submarines for Australia will be constructed at the Adelaide shipyard, securing thousands of jobs and ensuring the project will play a key part in the transition of our economy.
DCNS of France has been selected as our preferred international partner for the design of the 12 Future Submarines, subject to further discussions on commercial matters.
Along with our recent naval shipbuilding announcements, the commitment to an Australian build will create a sustainable Australian naval shipbuilding industry and provide the certainty that industry requires to invest in innovation and technology and grow its workforce.
The Future Submarine project is the largest and most complex defence acquisition Australia has ever undertaken. It will be a vital part of our Defence capability well into the middle of this century.
This $50 billion investment will directly sustain around 1,100 Australian jobs and a further 1,700 Australian jobs through the supply chain.
Today’s announcement follows the comprehensive Competitive Evaluation Process (CEP) involving DCNS, TKMS of Germany and the Government of Japan. Each bidder submitted very high quality proposals and the Australian Government takes this opportunity to thank both TKMS and the Government of Japan for their ongoing commitment to Australia and their participation in the process.
The CEP has provided the Government with the detailed information required to select DCNS as the most suitable international partner to develop a regionally-superior future submarine to meet our unique national security requirements, as detailed in the 2016 Defence White Paper.
This rigorous and independent process was led by Head of the Future Submarine Program, Rear Admiral Greg Sammut AM CSC, and General Manager Submarines, Rear Admiral Stephen Johnson USN (retired), who was previously in charge of the program to replace the Ohio Class ballistic missile submarines.
The process was overseen by an independent Expert Advisory Panel, chaired by former Secretary of the United States Navy, Professor Donald Winter. It was peer reviewed by Vice Admiral Paul Sullivan USN (retired) and Rear Admiral Thomas Eccles USN (retired).
This decision was driven by DCNS’s ability to best meet all of our unique capability requirements. These included superior sensor performance and stealth characteristics, as well as range and endurance similar to the Collins Class submarine. The Government’s considerations also included cost, schedule, program execution, through-life support and Australian industry involvement.
这项决定是基于DCNS的提案最符合我方的需求，包括更好的传感器性能表现、隐身特徵，以及续航距离、自持力都与现役柯林斯级相近。官方考量还包括成本、时程规划、计画执行、寿期支持、澳洲工业界参与等。
Subject to discussions on commercial matters, the design of the Future Submarine with DCNS will begin this year.
The Turnbull Government is also conducting a strategic review of the workforce, skills and infrastructure needs to deliver this key capability as part of its Naval Shipbuilding Plan, to be released this year. The Plan will bring together the requirements for the Future Submarine program, along with the more than $35 billion Future Frigate program and the more than $3 billion Offshore Patrol Vessel program, as part of the broader continuous naval shipbuilding philosophy to which the Government is committed.
The Turnbull Government will maximise Australian industry involvement in the program and will work closely with DCNS to identify opportunities for local businesses to integrate into the supply chain.
Media Contacts:
Prime Minister’s Office: John Garnaut – 0481 463 891
Defence Minister’s Office: Henry Budd – 0429 531 143
最终还是技术决定嘛。不过整个案子下来，有些政治目的也是已经达到了
花花早就说过苍龙很多方面都不如德国潜艇。法国毕竟可以造核鱼，论技术水平，外贸修改方案的能力和经验法国是最占优的。而且苍龙的价格还异常昂贵。本来苍龙的胜算就是建立在美日奥三国首脑的积极推动上。所以一开始就给人种钦定的感觉。法国获胜就是技术上的胜利。
花花早就说过苍龙很多方面都不如德国潜艇。法国毕竟可以造核鱼，论技术水平，外贸修改方案的能力和经验法国是最占优的。而且苍龙的价格还异常昂贵。本来苍龙的胜算就是建立在美日奥三国首脑的积极推动上。所以一开始就给人种钦定的感觉。法国获胜就是技术上的胜利。
技术战胜政治，袋鼠选苍虫靠拢日美的代价是在南海被095各种花式虐。
这项决定是基于DCNS的提案最符合我方的需求，包括更好的传感器性能表现、隐身特徵，以及续航距离、自持力都与现役柯林斯级相近。官方考量还包括成本、时程规划、计画执行、寿期支持、澳洲工业界参与等。
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沉重打击了鬼子和日吹
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沉重打击了鬼子和日吹
宇宙最先进的苍龙潜艇竟然落败
宇宙观瞬间崩塌
宇宙观瞬间崩塌苍龙落选都是菊座的错
梭鱼到底何时建成？
这货比机敏低调多了，多年来只知道有这么个计划而已，似乎正在生产，但一张照片都没见到。。。
这货比机敏低调多了，多年来只知道有这么个计划而已，似乎正在生产，但一张照片都没见到。。。
咱老百姓啊，今个真高兴
去年就预感梭鱼会中标
鬼子也真是的, 美爹就差掰开澳儿子的嘴灌肠了. 屎都塞进澳儿子的嘴了, 还是吐出来了. 鬼子的干孙子们真是三观尽毁啊...
对我们来说，这也只是坏苹果里挑一个稍好的。但是，如果袋鼠需要钱是不是会更加积极的搞好和我们的关系，希望多卖些羊毛矿石？？？
轴心国还是拿不到盟军的订单啊
如果是真的，今天晚饭必须喝瓶二锅头，再加个油炸花生米！鬼子最终落个偷鸡不成蚀把米的下场！
宇宙第一的苍龙居然输了
之前还说什么为了讨价还价，其实根本就是技术不行而已，美国够帮日本忙，不会给欧洲设备，还扯什么即使不选日本货也不会影响澳美关系，话都到这份上了，还选不上，就是东西不行，别说别的了
梭鱼到底何时建成？
这货比机敏低调多了，多年来只知道有这么个计划而已，似乎正在生产，但一张照片都没见 ...
图片有的，计划明年服役。
这货比机敏低调多了，多年来只知道有这么个计划而已，似乎正在生产，但一张照片都没见 ...
图片有的，计划明年服役。
哈哈
鬼子没戏喽
小日本太自信了
技术战胜政治，袋鼠选苍虫靠拢日美的代价是在南海被095各种花式虐。
跟我们有毛线关系？袋鼠国为捍卫中澳贸易航线和中国海军对峙？
跟我们有毛线关系？袋鼠国为捍卫中澳贸易航线和中国海军对峙？
哈哈，恭喜法国佬啦
楼主你就说了吧，有没有点小失望，不过说实话我压根不想提这事，要不是你前两天跟我说话那么不客气，想辟谣把自己辟进去了。
说点正事，德国人也有汤喝，Thyssen Krupp可能得到公司历史上最大的合同。
楼主你就说了吧，有没有点小失望，不过说实话我压根不想提这事，要不是你前两天跟我说话那么不客气，想辟谣把自己辟进去了。
说点正事，德国人也有汤喝，Thyssen Krupp可能得到公司历史上最大的合同。
日吹出来走两步
guoxing1987 发表于 2016-4-26 14:51
图片有的，计划明年服役。
是在建的吗？有链接否？只见过CG。。。
明年都要服役了，现在应该下水了吧？
图片有的，计划明年服役。
是在建的吗？有链接否？只见过CG。。。
明年都要服役了，现在应该下水了吧？
是在建的吗？有链接否？只见过CG。。。
明年都要服役了，现在应该下水了吧？
图没发上去，我最近用手机发图几乎每次都失败。
明年都要服役了，现在应该下水了吧？
图没发上去，我最近用手机发图几乎每次都失败。
e_liu 发表于 2016-4-26 14:57
楼主你就说了吧，有没有点小失望，不过说实话我压根不想提这事，要不是你前两天跟我说话那么不客气，想辟谣 ...
辟谣要辟的是新浪那篇作者脑补出的文，就算他蒙到结果过程也是垃圾，我只根据真正的源头消息来论事。
论整体来龙去脉与整体考量在另一个帖子。做为评论者本来就不需要什么情绪可言，评论者只需要正确地了解与诠释情况。
这件事我会跟你不客气到底，because i am superior to you.
e_liu 发表于 2016-4-26 14:57
楼主你就说了吧，有没有点小失望，不过说实话我压根不想提这事，要不是你前两天跟我说话那么不客气，想辟谣 ...
辟谣要辟的是新浪那篇作者脑补出的文，就算他蒙到结果过程也是垃圾，我只根据真正的源头消息来论事。
论整体来龙去脉与整体考量在另一个帖子。做为评论者本来就不需要什么情绪可言，评论者只需要正确地了解与诠释情况。
这件事我会跟你不客气到底，because i am superior to you.
楼主你就说了吧，有没有点小失望，不过说实话我压根不想提这事，要不是你前两天跟我说话那么不客气，想辟谣 ...
克努伯有什么合同？
克努伯有什么合同？
a2free 发表于 2016-4-26 15:26
克努伯有什么合同？
德国媒体说克努伯有可能会参与建造澳大利亚用来造潜艇的工厂，会有很多设备上的合同，当然如果德国中标，克努伯就发了。
克努伯有什么合同？
德国媒体说克努伯有可能会参与建造澳大利亚用来造潜艇的工厂，会有很多设备上的合同，当然如果德国中标，克努伯就发了。
可以说这桩案子，地缘政治上日本具有非常绝对的优势。毕竟长远来看袋鼠都得在脚盆里洗脚……保护费交给日本是没错的。
然而袋鼠还是选择了高卢鸡，说明袋鼠还算有那么点自己的考虑。
联想到局座在最近的节目里提到，潜艇巡航南海长久以来都是脚盆和袋鼠执行的。不出所料对于袋鼠这个四等小弟来说这是头等重要的任务。
袋鼠在经济上果然还是比脚盆拮据的多，如果买了脚盆的潜艇，那么以后干多少活、或者说在米国阵营里什么地位，就得脚盆说了算了……
抛开武器输出经验、资金服务、技术家底等因素之外，脚盆会不会借武器输出来控制袋鼠，让袋鼠花澡堂子的钱来泡脚……恐怕袋鼠心里还是会多少忐忑的。
不是说了么，跟比自己强的人在一个散兵坑里，是很危险的…………
可以说这桩案子，地缘政治上日本具有非常绝对的优势。毕竟长远来看袋鼠都得在脚盆里洗脚……保护费交给日本是没错的。
然而袋鼠还是选择了高卢鸡，说明袋鼠还算有那么点自己的考虑。
联想到局座在最近的节目里提到，潜艇巡航南海长久以来都是脚盆和袋鼠执行的。不出所料对于袋鼠这个四等小弟来说这是头等重要的任务。
袋鼠在经济上果然还是比脚盆拮据的多，如果买了脚盆的潜艇，那么以后干多少活、或者说在米国阵营里什么地位，就得脚盆说了算了……
抛开武器输出经验、资金服务、技术家底等因素之外，脚盆会不会借武器输出来控制袋鼠，让袋鼠花澡堂子的钱来泡脚……恐怕袋鼠心里还是会多少忐忑的。
不是说了么，跟比自己强的人在一个散兵坑里，是很危险的…………
onepiece 发表于 2016-4-26 15:25
辟谣要辟的是新浪那篇作者脑补出的文，就算他蒙到结果过程也是垃圾，我只根据真正的源头消息来论事。
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你这样挑衅又什么意思吗，这觉得自己高一档是吧，无所谓了。
放出来消息的原文我都看过，包括英文，还有德国媒体也在追踪。至于新浪那片文章，不好意思我真没看过，不上新浪好几年了。
不过都无所谓了，反正苍龙出局，投标书我估计过几年慢慢会流出，咱们在看看神一样的日货到底是什么水平。不过有可能苍龙水平极高，但是核鱼底子的法国货实在太变态。
辟谣要辟的是新浪那篇作者脑补出的文，就算他蒙到结果过程也是垃圾，我只根据真正的源头消息来论事。
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你这样挑衅又什么意思吗，这觉得自己高一档是吧，无所谓了。
放出来消息的原文我都看过，包括英文，还有德国媒体也在追踪。至于新浪那片文章，不好意思我真没看过，不上新浪好几年了。
不过都无所谓了，反正苍龙出局，投标书我估计过几年慢慢会流出，咱们在看看神一样的日货到底是什么水平。不过有可能苍龙水平极高，但是核鱼底子的法国货实在太变态。
德国媒体说克努伯有可能会参与建造澳大利亚用来造潜艇的工厂，会有很多设备上的合同，当然如果德国中标， ...
哦，建厂克努伯吊车船舶设备之类。
哦，建厂克努伯吊车船舶设备之类。
小鬼子交给袋鼠的参数里连AIP都用不上，澳洲要是选仓虫才真叫日了狗了。
从此海版应该没人敢吹苍龙了吧？。。。。
唉，澳洲人倒是算送了一份清净礼
唉，澳洲人倒是算送了一份清净礼
袋鼠没必要为了小鬼子和兔子拉仇恨，安逸的在大洋洲和美中等距交往才是符合袋鼠利益的选择
日本前一阵子就像是铁定中标一样。哪儿来的信心？
苍龙看来都和日本的其他产品一样，某些性能突出，但一整合起来恰恰竞争不过别人
不过日本人落选了也不值得多高兴
说明法国的潜艇性能更好，以后说不定会成为澳大利亚涉入南海的利器
苍龙看来都和日本的其他产品一样，某些性能突出，但一整合起来恰恰竞争不过别人
不过日本人落选了也不值得多高兴
说明法国的潜艇性能更好，以后说不定会成为澳大利亚涉入南海的利器
litazure 发表于 2016-4-26 14:55
跟我们有毛线关系？袋鼠国为捍卫中澳贸易航线和中国海军对峙？
袋鼠的潜艇数十年来和日本的潜艇一起巡航南海和西太，对海兔子来说算“老朋友”了。
赚钱是一回事，老大交代的任务那是另一回事……
国家都是这样，一开口都是合作友好，实际上一年365，天上飞机海里船，网上小特务家里小间谍，围绕领土经济外交甚至海里一群鱼的各种斗殴，那都是随着友好程度的加深而变本加厉的…………
就我发帖这一分来钟，兔子和米帝肯定都过了几十招了……
跟我们有毛线关系？袋鼠国为捍卫中澳贸易航线和中国海军对峙？
袋鼠的潜艇数十年来和日本的潜艇一起巡航南海和西太，对海兔子来说算“老朋友”了。
赚钱是一回事，老大交代的任务那是另一回事……
国家都是这样，一开口都是合作友好，实际上一年365，天上飞机海里船，网上小特务家里小间谍，围绕领土经济外交甚至海里一群鱼的各种斗殴，那都是随着友好程度的加深而变本加厉的…………
就我发帖这一分来钟，兔子和米帝肯定都过了几十招了……
法国货，终于翻身了！
e_liu 发表于 2016-4-26 15:42
你这样挑衅又什么意思吗，这觉得自己高一档是吧，无所谓了。
放出来消息的原文我都看过，包括英文，还 ...
咱国把093改吧改吧也去陪标算了，6K吨常规潜艇你们怕不怕？
你这样挑衅又什么意思吗，这觉得自己高一档是吧，无所谓了。
放出来消息的原文我都看过，包括英文，还 ...
咱国把093改吧改吧也去陪标算了，6K吨常规潜艇你们怕不怕？
苍龙真是应了坛子里的分析了，外强中干，性能很一般