YJ-62和YJ-85盖棺定论

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Title: Cruise Offer , By: Barrie, Douglas, Wall, Robert, Aviation Week & Space Technology, 00052175, 9/9/2005, Vol. 163, Issue 11
《航空与航天技术》00052175,2005年9月9日
Beijing unveils more missiles for export, shedding light on its internal programs
Further evidence of China's progress in cruise missiles is emerging, with detail coming to light on research and development and upgrade programs.
Beijing is touting improved anti-ship missiles for export, featuring seeker technology with greater resistance to countermeasures. The Chinese are also revealing more about their air force's first-generation land-attack cruise missile, the YJ-63.
北京目前在大力宣传用于出口的改进型反舰导弹,其拥有较强的突防能力。此外中国披露了其第一代空对地巡航导弹YJ63的更多细节。
China is beginning to provide data on one of its latest anti-ship cruise missile programs, the YJ-62, which it is giving the export designation the C602. The YJ-62 appears to be in the final stages of development for the Chinese navy, but is also already being proposed for overseas sale by the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC). Also detailed for the first time is the C802A, an improved version of the YJ-8 anti-ship missile.
中国开始公布其最新巡航导弹发展计划的相关数据,YJ62,其出口编号为C602,将装备中国海军,似乎处于研发的最后阶段。中国精密机械进出口公司(CPMIEC)打算出口这种导弹。同时被首次披露的还有C802A,是YJ8反舰导弹的发展型号。
CHINA'S SUCCESS in nurturing its indigenous missile capability will almost certainly mean it will play a larger role in the export sector. Its products could prove attractive to nations that would otherwise be unable to purchase such classes of missiles.
中国对国内导弹研发能力的投入,使其将在国际导弹出口市场上占据较大的份额。对于没有其它产品可以选择的国家来说,中国的导弹是有吸引力的。
Data on both systems was released last week by CPMIEC during the Defense Systems & Equipment International (DSEI) land and naval systems exhibition here Sept. 13-16. CPMIEC claims both missiles are fitted with frequency agile radar seekers, giving the systems much greater resistance to jamming. Chinese anti-ship missiles used single-frequency seeker technology previously.
新型导弹的数据公布在本届DSEI展会上,CPMIEC声称这两种导弹都安装了捷变频率的雷达导引头,有较强的抗干扰能力,此前的中国反舰导弹仅使用单频的雷达导引头。
The C602/YJ-62 has a stated range of 280 km. (174 mi.), with the missile flying at an altitude of 30 meters (98 ft.) during the cruise phase of an engagement. In the terminal phase, the missile descends 7-10 meters. The active radar seeker has an acquisition range of up to 40 km. The system is a conventional cruise missile design, with mid-body wings which deploy following launch. The engine inlet is mounted slightly forward of the cruciform tail fins.
C602/YJ-62的标定射程是280km,巡航高度30米,末段降为7-10米,主动雷达导引头的作用距离为40km,该弹为正常气动布局,发射后弹体中段小翼展开,发动机进气口位于十字型尾翼前方。
The C802A is an extended-range version of the YJ-8 family of missiles, with an engagement envelope of up to 180 km. This program may be associated with the YJ-85 designation. Turbojet propulsion is used on two missiles.
C802A是YJ8系列加大射程的版本,射程达180km,该弹在国内的编号可能是YJ85。
以上两种导弹都使用涡轮喷气发动机。
Both systems are initially intended for ship or coastal defense, though they could also be adapted for air-launched applications. Previous versions of the C802/YJ-8 family have been modified for such applications. Iran is an export customer for versions of this missile.
这两种导弹最初都是为“舰-舰”或“岸-舰”用途设计的,但也可能用于空中发射,就像以前的C802/YJ-8系列那样,伊朗就购买了这种导弹。
The YJ-62 will equip Chinese navy guided-missile destroyers. At least two of a new class, the 052C, are being built; the first was launched in 2003. The ship is fitted with two sets of four-canister launchers amidships.
YJ62将配备于中国海军新一级的导弹驱逐舰052C,至少已有2艘在建,于2003年下水。该舰配备两座4联装的YJ62发射架。
Range for the C602 export version is given as 280 km., which falls within the 300-km. threshold of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). Warhead size is given as 300 kg., again below the 500-kg. limit of the MTCR accord.
出口的C602标定射程为280km,恰好符合导弹技术控制公约(MTCR)所限制的300km,战斗部重量数据也是如此,标定为300kg,小于MTCR所限制的500kg。
It is claimed that the C602 uses strap-down inertial guidance coupled with GPS, and active radar for the terminal phase. The missile is 6.1 meters long, without the 0.9-meter launch booster, and 1,140 kg. The solid propellant booster weighs an additional 210 kg.
据称C602使用捷联惯导+GPS制导,末端主动雷达制导,弹长6.1米(不含助推器),弹重1140kg。助推器长0.9米,重210kg。
High-quality imagery of the Chinese air force's first in-service land-attack cruise missile, the YJ-63, has also become available. Readily apparent is the missile's airframe design heritage from the Russian Styx class of anti-ship missiles, the basis of Chinese missile families. The YJ-63 is believed to use an electro-optical seeker for terminal guidance, and man-in-the-loop guidance with target imagery from the TV-seeker being fed back to the H-6 launch aircraft. What could be a datalink antenna is visible toward the missile's front. The missile shown may be a practice round — the nose cover appears too small for a TV seeker.
中国的第一代空对地巡航导弹YJ63已经装备部队,外形上看显然是基于早期苏联的“冥河”反舰导弹。该弹使用了“人在回路中”的光电制导方式,弹上的TV导引头将图像通过数据链传回到发射导弹的轰6飞机上,导弹外形十分肥胖,头部的盖子却很小,看上去不足以容纳TV导引头。
PHOTO (COLOR): China's YJ-63 land-attack cruise missile is carried by the H-6 bomber aircraft. China is pursuing a number of cruise missile programs for both air and ship launch.
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By Douglas Barrie, LONDON and Robert Wall, LONDON
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62弹显然就是这个了

美国人的意思显然是说,C602的数据只是为了迎合导弹技术控制公约,其实际射程远不止这些,我看这弹长弹重的数据,简直又是一款“战斧斯基”。看来目前PLA海军对于超音速反舰导弹并不怎么感冒啊。好消息是看来170舰具备了远程对陆攻击的潜力。
[此贴子已经被作者于2005-9-30 17:32:45编辑过]
Title: Cruise Offer , By: Barrie, Douglas, Wall, Robert, Aviation Week & Space Technology, 00052175, 9/9/2005, Vol. 163, Issue 11
《航空与航天技术》00052175,2005年9月9日
Beijing unveils more missiles for export, shedding light on its internal programs
Further evidence of China's progress in cruise missiles is emerging, with detail coming to light on research and development and upgrade programs.
Beijing is touting improved anti-ship missiles for export, featuring seeker technology with greater resistance to countermeasures. The Chinese are also revealing more about their air force's first-generation land-attack cruise missile, the YJ-63.
北京目前在大力宣传用于出口的改进型反舰导弹,其拥有较强的突防能力。此外中国披露了其第一代空对地巡航导弹YJ63的更多细节。
China is beginning to provide data on one of its latest anti-ship cruise missile programs, the YJ-62, which it is giving the export designation the C602. The YJ-62 appears to be in the final stages of development for the Chinese navy, but is also already being proposed for overseas sale by the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC). Also detailed for the first time is the C802A, an improved version of the YJ-8 anti-ship missile.
中国开始公布其最新巡航导弹发展计划的相关数据,YJ62,其出口编号为C602,将装备中国海军,似乎处于研发的最后阶段。中国精密机械进出口公司(CPMIEC)打算出口这种导弹。同时被首次披露的还有C802A,是YJ8反舰导弹的发展型号。
CHINA'S SUCCESS in nurturing its indigenous missile capability will almost certainly mean it will play a larger role in the export sector. Its products could prove attractive to nations that would otherwise be unable to purchase such classes of missiles.
中国对国内导弹研发能力的投入,使其将在国际导弹出口市场上占据较大的份额。对于没有其它产品可以选择的国家来说,中国的导弹是有吸引力的。
Data on both systems was released last week by CPMIEC during the Defense Systems & Equipment International (DSEI) land and naval systems exhibition here Sept. 13-16. CPMIEC claims both missiles are fitted with frequency agile radar seekers, giving the systems much greater resistance to jamming. Chinese anti-ship missiles used single-frequency seeker technology previously.
新型导弹的数据公布在本届DSEI展会上,CPMIEC声称这两种导弹都安装了捷变频率的雷达导引头,有较强的抗干扰能力,此前的中国反舰导弹仅使用单频的雷达导引头。
The C602/YJ-62 has a stated range of 280 km. (174 mi.), with the missile flying at an altitude of 30 meters (98 ft.) during the cruise phase of an engagement. In the terminal phase, the missile descends 7-10 meters. The active radar seeker has an acquisition range of up to 40 km. The system is a conventional cruise missile design, with mid-body wings which deploy following launch. The engine inlet is mounted slightly forward of the cruciform tail fins.
C602/YJ-62的标定射程是280km,巡航高度30米,末段降为7-10米,主动雷达导引头的作用距离为40km,该弹为正常气动布局,发射后弹体中段小翼展开,发动机进气口位于十字型尾翼前方。
The C802A is an extended-range version of the YJ-8 family of missiles, with an engagement envelope of up to 180 km. This program may be associated with the YJ-85 designation. Turbojet propulsion is used on two missiles.
C802A是YJ8系列加大射程的版本,射程达180km,该弹在国内的编号可能是YJ85。
以上两种导弹都使用涡轮喷气发动机。
Both systems are initially intended for ship or coastal defense, though they could also be adapted for air-launched applications. Previous versions of the C802/YJ-8 family have been modified for such applications. Iran is an export customer for versions of this missile.
这两种导弹最初都是为“舰-舰”或“岸-舰”用途设计的,但也可能用于空中发射,就像以前的C802/YJ-8系列那样,伊朗就购买了这种导弹。
The YJ-62 will equip Chinese navy guided-missile destroyers. At least two of a new class, the 052C, are being built; the first was launched in 2003. The ship is fitted with two sets of four-canister launchers amidships.
YJ62将配备于中国海军新一级的导弹驱逐舰052C,至少已有2艘在建,于2003年下水。该舰配备两座4联装的YJ62发射架。
Range for the C602 export version is given as 280 km., which falls within the 300-km. threshold of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). Warhead size is given as 300 kg., again below the 500-kg. limit of the MTCR accord.
出口的C602标定射程为280km,恰好符合导弹技术控制公约(MTCR)所限制的300km,战斗部重量数据也是如此,标定为300kg,小于MTCR所限制的500kg。
It is claimed that the C602 uses strap-down inertial guidance coupled with GPS, and active radar for the terminal phase. The missile is 6.1 meters long, without the 0.9-meter launch booster, and 1,140 kg. The solid propellant booster weighs an additional 210 kg.
据称C602使用捷联惯导+GPS制导,末端主动雷达制导,弹长6.1米(不含助推器),弹重1140kg。助推器长0.9米,重210kg。
High-quality imagery of the Chinese air force's first in-service land-attack cruise missile, the YJ-63, has also become available. Readily apparent is the missile's airframe design heritage from the Russian Styx class of anti-ship missiles, the basis of Chinese missile families. The YJ-63 is believed to use an electro-optical seeker for terminal guidance, and man-in-the-loop guidance with target imagery from the TV-seeker being fed back to the H-6 launch aircraft. What could be a datalink antenna is visible toward the missile's front. The missile shown may be a practice round — the nose cover appears too small for a TV seeker.
中国的第一代空对地巡航导弹YJ63已经装备部队,外形上看显然是基于早期苏联的“冥河”反舰导弹。该弹使用了“人在回路中”的光电制导方式,弹上的TV导引头将图像通过数据链传回到发射导弹的轰6飞机上,导弹外形十分肥胖,头部的盖子却很小,看上去不足以容纳TV导引头。
PHOTO (COLOR): China's YJ-63 land-attack cruise missile is carried by the H-6 bomber aircraft. China is pursuing a number of cruise missile programs for both air and ship launch.
~~~~~~~~
By Douglas Barrie, LONDON and Robert Wall, LONDON
===========================
62弹显然就是这个了

美国人的意思显然是说,C602的数据只是为了迎合导弹技术控制公约,其实际射程远不止这些,我看这弹长弹重的数据,简直又是一款“战斧斯基”。看来目前PLA海军对于超音速反舰导弹并不怎么感冒啊。好消息是看来170舰具备了远程对陆攻击的潜力。
[此贴子已经被作者于2005-9-30 17:32:45编辑过]
那么多人坚持052C上的是YJ-62,也就只能解释成图上的弹就是62弹了,和俩年前传言052C上重型巡弹也附和!
lostangel:
呵呵,叫什么名字真的无所谓,只要数据接近真实的就行了。
很好,先来一通亚音速弹雨,再让现代冲上去打3M80MBE.
62就是强.
一定会有对地型.
台湾人以为不是超音速,居然觉得爽.
咱们导弹还是很厉害D~
楼主说YJ62的尾翼是十字型的,可图上导弹的照片明显是X字型的啊。
[B]以下是引用[I]yangzhixiang[/I]在2005-9-30 20:47:00的发言:[/B][BR]楼主说YJ62的尾翼是十字型的,可图上导弹的照片明显是X字型的啊。

这个角度还是有点看不出来
能这样我就放心了
数据跟图片对不上号嘛...
你看那个助推器有0.9米吗?如果是这样的话,62的弹径包括进气道岂非超过一米......170上的童子有那么粗啊?如果弹径有一米,则弹长何止6.1米啊?
“捷联惯导+GPS制导,末端主动雷达制导”能说的都几乎说光了,反舰蛋用GPS干吗?对陆攻击用主动雷达干吗?晕死....
还有“十字尾翼”,图片分明是“X”
这所谓的“据称”分明是根据C601胡乱推的,准极有限。

C603是基于冥河???[em06].....怎么不说是基于V2那?[em01][em01]
063头部小.....总不会比C701更小吧,容不下TV导引头,那东西多大啊,大概是放不进一台电视机的意思?[em01][em01]

....这到底是美国专业情报机构的意见还是外国军迷的意见哦
[B]以下是引用[I]hungry[/I]在2005-10-1 2:29:00的发言:[/B][BR]数据跟图片对不上号嘛...
你看那个助推器有0.9米吗?如果是这样的话,62的弹径包括进气道岂非超过一米......170上的童子有那么粗啊?如果弹径有一米,则弹长何止6.1米啊?
?[em01][em01]

1. 文中数据是出口型号的C602.
2. 文中C602弹长6.1米是不包括助推器, 文中是WITHOUT THE BOOTSTER.
[B]以下是引用[I]f22[/I]在2005-9-30 17:41:00的发言:[/B][BR]很好,先来一通亚音速弹雨,再让现代冲上去打3M80MBE.

对于航空母舰而言
1.觉得水面舰艇用超音速弹没多大用.
2. 觉得超音速弹应而且只应用于飞机.潜艇这些平台. 这些平台才有机会成功发射超音速弹
个人观点:
主要用来攻陆,反舰客串而已
“盖棺定论”?你也敢说!
[B]以下是引用[I]pinglong[/I]在2005-10-1 15:23:00的发言:[/B][BR]

1. 文中数据是出口型号的C602.
2. 文中C602弹长6.1米是不包括助推器, 文中是WITHOUT THE BOOTSTER.

C602这东西是否存在还是个未知数。除非他跟YJ62彻底不同,否则这些“参数”同样是不成立的。但文中显然把C602当成了YJ62的出口型,显然应该跟图片吻合。
如果图片中的导弹弹径有1米,即使不包含组推器弹长也至少10米以上。长径比很明显。对比一下C601就明白了。
文章中对参数的推论,可以说完全基于C601。跟YJ62差别巨大。
楼长哈美的够狠,祖宗都认上了[em18]
62的动力航程在500公里以上
GPS和惯性制导,是为了做中段航迹校正所用,要不这么远的射程干什么用
射程只要指的是整个武器系统的有效打击距离
而不是能飞多远,就能打多远
呵呵,外国的月亮就是圆啊!!
目前我们的远程反舰导弹缺乏中继制导并不是因为中继制导的技术不过关
而是因为远程目标指示的手段匮乏,远程反舰导弹对目标指示信息的更新率有很高的要求,一般利用本舰远程雷达作为目标指示手段是,更新率多为每秒1到10次,而如果利用远程数据炼作为目标指示手段时,一般为1秒1次,如果没有战区标准数据链和标准标志指示协议,利用发射舰之外的传感器为本舰作目指,是不可能的,除非只是打机静态目标。
62作为我国第一型中远程反舰巡航导弹(这里巡航指的是飞行弹道),是我军远洋舰队在没有航母入役之前,获得对方舰队防空火力圈之外的打击力量,尤其在对南海方向。目前是利用南京724所研制的一款超视距雷达作为视距外目标指示手段,或者利用直升机记载雷达,通过海军标准数据链协议进行目标指示。
[B]以下是引用[I]hungry[/I]在2005-10-2 0:43:00的发言:[/B][BR].
C602这东西是否存在还是个未知数。除非他跟YJ62彻底不同,否则这些“参数”同样是不成立的。但文中显然把C602当成了YJ62的出口型,显然应该跟图片吻合。
如果图片中的导弹弹径有1米,即使不包含组推器弹长也至少10米以上。长径比很明显。对比一下C601就明白了。
文章中对参数的推论,可以说完全基于C601。跟YJ62差别巨大。


按文中表述的意思,C602的参数应该是中国精密机械进出口公司(CPMIEC)在展会上所公布的。
[B]以下是引用[I]Bobdylan[/I]在2005-10-2 21:10:00的发言:[/B][BR]目前我们的远程反舰导弹缺乏中继制导并不是因为中继制导的技术不过关
而是因为远程目标指示的手段匮乏,远程反舰导弹对目标指示信息的更新率有很高的要求,一般利用本舰远程雷达作为目标指示手段是,更新率多为每秒1到10次,而如果利用远程数据炼作为目标指示手段时,一般为1秒1次,如果没有战区标准数据链和标准标志指示协议,利用发射舰之外的传感器为本舰作目指,是不可能的,除非只是打机静态目标。
62作为我国第一型中远程反舰巡航导弹(这里巡航指的是飞行弹道),是我军远洋舰队在没有航母入役之前,获得对方舰队防空火力圈之外的打击力量,尤其在对南海方向。目前是利用南京724所研制的一款超视距雷达作为视距外目标指示手段,或者利用直升机记载雷达,通过海军标准数据链协议进行目标指示。

觉得62最大的意义就是支持体系能力的提高.
弹本身反而是其次.
[em06][em06]既然盖棺了还讨论什么?听老美的好了[em14][em14]
170上的是通用筒,这就叫“乱花渐欲迷人眼”。YJ-12是真正的“撒手锏”性能绝对一流。是“双超”+“复导”。我亲戚也参与了设计。具体参数我不敢再说了。(上次偶在虚幻透露了一点,不知怎么搞的就让他知道了,结果换来一顿臭骂!!)
楼上的,你又在乱透露了!回来打PP!
[B]以下是引用[I]七星☆龙渊[/I]在2005-10-5 14:03:00的发言:[/B][BR]170上的是通用筒,这就叫“乱花渐欲迷人眼”。YJ-12是真正的“撒手锏”性能绝对一流。是“双超”+“复导”。我亲戚也参与了设计。具体参数我不敢再说了。(上次偶在虚幻透露了一点,不知怎么搞的就让他知道了,结果换来一顿臭骂!!)

“双超”是啥意思?超音速/ 超高空?
[B]以下是引用[I]SkyWalkerJ[/I]在2005-10-8 13:20:00的发言:[/B][BR])
“双超”是啥意思?超音速/ 超高空?

浆糊你也信
[B]以下是引用[I]SkyWalkerJ[/I]在2005-10-8 13:20:00的发言:[/B][BR])
“双超”是啥意思?超音速/ 超高空?
超级女声/超级联赛?