超级军网澳洲「太平洋2015」中各厂商竞争SEA 5000护卫舰的方案
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在悉尼举办的「太平洋2015」（PACIFIC 2015）国际海事展中，打算替换纽澳军团级的SEA 5000护卫舰案自然是参展重点。
除了原本已知参与角逐的西班牙纳凡提亚（F100改）、法国DCNS（FREMM改）、义大利（FREMM改）、德国TKMS（MEKO A400，就是F125的外销版）以及英国BAE（Type 26改）之外，日本也带了最新的30DX护卫舰参展。
http://www.navyrecognition.com/i ... 3162.html?task=view
At PACIFIC 2015, the international maritime exposition held recently in Sydney, most shipyards or shipbuilding groups attending the event unveiled the design of their proposal for the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) SEA5000 program. SEA5000 calls for the replacement of the RAN ANZAC class frigates. The Future Frigate is expected to have anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities and the CEAFAR2 radar currently in development by CEA.
这些设计不约而同都标榜集成澳洲本土CEA FAR2相控阵雷达系统，这是纽澳军团级改良计画（ SEA1448 Ph4B）的CEA FAR有源相控阵雷达的进一步发展型
CEA would not comment on CEAFAR2 at the show by Navy Recognition understands it will be a tri-band (S, X, L) radar with plannar arrays on an integrated mast. It will be developped (as part of SEA1448 Ph4B) to be agnostic to the ship design chosen for SEA5000. At PACIFIC 2015, the new generation active phased array radar could be seen fitted on almost all the SEA5000 contenders (on scale models or in CGI).
日本防卫省跟三菱重工带来30DX，稀客稀客！
Japan Mod and MHI representatives told Navy Recognition at the show that the 30DEX (sometimes called 30DX or FFX) is a new concept that was shown in the mid-term defense buildup plan of Japan. The 30DX incorporates lessons learned on stealth and radar technology when MHI developped the ATD-X Shinshin stealth fighter experimental aircraft. Partners in the 30DX program include NEC, Fujitsu and Mitsubishi Electronics especially for the integrated mast and radars. The model on display at PACIFIC 2015 is an actual remote controlled model use to test the ballance of the hull in a test facility of the JMSDF. It features a Mk 45 main gun, 2x Marlin - WS by Oto Melera (forward) and a SeaRAM on top of the helicopter hangar. The hull is fitted with two shafts and two water jets to answer the high speed requirement of the JMSDF: 30DEX is required to reach 40 knots. For SEA5000 MHI is ready to integrate CEA's CEAFAR2 radar on 30DEX.
MHI SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: 30DEX (MHI projet for JMSDF)
Length: 120 m
Max beam: 18 m
Displacement: About 3,000 t
Accommodation: About 100
英国BAE System的Type 26
The Type 26 is the future Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate that will replace the Royal Navy's 13 Type 23 frigates and other ships. BAE Systems says the Type 26 / Global Combat Ship will be a highly capable and versatile multi-mission warship designed to support anti-submarine warfare, air defence and general purpose operations anywhere on the world’s oceans. Navy Recognition could not meet a BAE representative who could talk about the SEA5000 GCS but we understand that it would be fitted with Mk41 cells exclusively (no CAMM which are present on the UK design) as well as a BAE Systems Mk 45 5 inch main gun.
BAE Systems SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: Global Combat Ship (Royal Navy Type 26)
Length: 148.5 m
Max beam: 20 m
Displacement: 6,000 t
Accommodation: 118 crew + 72 embarked forces
法国版FREMM提案已经在烟囱画上袋鼠
DCNS representative explained to Navy Recognition that the vessel shares the same hull (same engines, same displacement) based on the proven FREMM design. DCNS used its research and development work already conducted on the FREMM ER (unveiled at Euronaval 2012) to fine tune the design of the mast area for this SEA5000 proposal. As can be seen on the CGIs, the FREMM for Australia is fitted with a 127mm main gun and a Rheinmetall Millenium CIWS gun on top of the helicopter hangar. DCNS stresses that this is "a first approach to SEA5000 with known or anticipated requirements" and that it will adapt the design and systems fit as customer requirements emmerge. The FREMM was designed from the start by DCNS as a potent ASW platform with very low accoustic signature even at speed.
DCNS SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: ASW FREMM (Aquitaine class)
Length: 142 m
Max beam: 20 m
Displacement: 6000 t
Accommodation: 145 to 180
义大利Fincantieri造船厂带来义大利版的FREMM方案。法国跟义大利都能各自在国际上销售自己版本的FREMM。
During an industry meeting at PACIFIC 2015, Fincantieri unveiled the design of its proposal for the SEA5000 Future Frigate program. Based on the Italian Navy FREMM ASW (Virginio Fasan class), Fincantieri says it recently conducted feasibility studies to proof the possibility to use its FREMM platform to cope with different Navy requirements (including Canada and Australia). The Italian FREMM "can easily accommodate the CEAFAR2 [ed. note Fincantieri presentation mentionned the CEA PAR system]; weigh, CVG, electrical power consumption and fluidic requirements are aligned with the platform capabilities, without the necessity of major modifications". Finally, Fincantieri says it can easily install the SAAB CMS on board.
Fincantieri SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: ASW FREMM (Virginio Fasan class)
Length: 144 m
Max beam: 19.4 m
Displacement: 6,700 t
Accommodation: 167 (up to 200 for RAN)
纳凡提亚拿出F100（就是澳洲现在在造的AWD防空舰）的修改版，去除宙斯盾系统，改用CEA FAR相控阵。
但之前评估说F100平台噪音太大？
Navantia of Spain was the only one who showcased an actual scale model of its SEA5000 proposal. The vessel relies heavily on the Hobart class AWD design already selected by the RAN. A Navantia official explained there is "up to 70% commonality between the two platforms from a production stand point". The vessel would be fitted with 48x MK41 VLS cells, a SAAB combat management system and 2 helicopter hangars.
Navantia SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: RAN Hobart class ASW
Length overall: 147.2 m
Max beam: 18.6 m
End of life displacement: 7400 t
Accommodation: 237
德国TKMS带来的方案先前叫MEKO A400RAN，基本就是F125的豪华外销版
TKMS representatives explained to Navy Recognition at the show that their SEA5000 proposal shares the same hull and machinery as the F-125 Frigate which matches the basic requirements. With its CODLOG propulsion system, the vessel can reach up to 20 knots on electric propulsion (and keep a very low accoustic level). F-125 can accomodate up to 64x VLS cells. The proposal for the RAN has 32x cells forward and 16x more between the two masts. Based on CGI, the SEA5000 configuration includes an Oto Melara 127mm main gun, two Phalanx CIWS (forward and aft) and two hangars. At 7,200 tons the F-125 is large ship, which is TKMS says is necessary for the South Pacific Ocean.
TKMS SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: F-125 (Baden-Württemberg class)
Length: 149.5 m
Max beam: 18.8 m
Displacement: 7,200 t
Accommodation: 110 (up to 190)
在悉尼举办的「太平洋2015」（PACIFIC 2015）国际海事展中，打算替换纽澳军团级的SEA 5000护卫舰案自然是参展重点。
除了原本已知参与角逐的西班牙纳凡提亚（F100改）、法国DCNS（FREMM改）、义大利（FREMM改）、德国TKMS（MEKO A400，就是F125的外销版）以及英国BAE（Type 26改）之外，日本也带了最新的30DX护卫舰参展。
http://www.navyrecognition.com/i ... 3162.html?task=view
At PACIFIC 2015, the international maritime exposition held recently in Sydney, most shipyards or shipbuilding groups attending the event unveiled the design of their proposal for the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) SEA5000 program. SEA5000 calls for the replacement of the RAN ANZAC class frigates. The Future Frigate is expected to have anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities and the CEAFAR2 radar currently in development by CEA.
这些设计不约而同都标榜集成澳洲本土CEA FAR2相控阵雷达系统，这是纽澳军团级改良计画（ SEA1448 Ph4B）的CEA FAR有源相控阵雷达的进一步发展型
CEA would not comment on CEAFAR2 at the show by Navy Recognition understands it will be a tri-band (S, X, L) radar with plannar arrays on an integrated mast. It will be developped (as part of SEA1448 Ph4B) to be agnostic to the ship design chosen for SEA5000. At PACIFIC 2015, the new generation active phased array radar could be seen fitted on almost all the SEA5000 contenders (on scale models or in CGI).
日本防卫省跟三菱重工带来30DX，稀客稀客！
Japan Mod and MHI representatives told Navy Recognition at the show that the 30DEX (sometimes called 30DX or FFX) is a new concept that was shown in the mid-term defense buildup plan of Japan. The 30DX incorporates lessons learned on stealth and radar technology when MHI developped the ATD-X Shinshin stealth fighter experimental aircraft. Partners in the 30DX program include NEC, Fujitsu and Mitsubishi Electronics especially for the integrated mast and radars. The model on display at PACIFIC 2015 is an actual remote controlled model use to test the ballance of the hull in a test facility of the JMSDF. It features a Mk 45 main gun, 2x Marlin - WS by Oto Melera (forward) and a SeaRAM on top of the helicopter hangar. The hull is fitted with two shafts and two water jets to answer the high speed requirement of the JMSDF: 30DEX is required to reach 40 knots. For SEA5000 MHI is ready to integrate CEA's CEAFAR2 radar on 30DEX.
MHI SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: 30DEX (MHI projet for JMSDF)
Length: 120 m
Max beam: 18 m
Displacement: About 3,000 t
Accommodation: About 100
英国BAE System的Type 26
The Type 26 is the future Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate that will replace the Royal Navy's 13 Type 23 frigates and other ships. BAE Systems says the Type 26 / Global Combat Ship will be a highly capable and versatile multi-mission warship designed to support anti-submarine warfare, air defence and general purpose operations anywhere on the world’s oceans. Navy Recognition could not meet a BAE representative who could talk about the SEA5000 GCS but we understand that it would be fitted with Mk41 cells exclusively (no CAMM which are present on the UK design) as well as a BAE Systems Mk 45 5 inch main gun.
BAE Systems SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: Global Combat Ship (Royal Navy Type 26)
Length: 148.5 m
Max beam: 20 m
Displacement: 6,000 t
Accommodation: 118 crew + 72 embarked forces
法国版FREMM提案已经在烟囱画上袋鼠
DCNS representative explained to Navy Recognition that the vessel shares the same hull (same engines, same displacement) based on the proven FREMM design. DCNS used its research and development work already conducted on the FREMM ER (unveiled at Euronaval 2012) to fine tune the design of the mast area for this SEA5000 proposal. As can be seen on the CGIs, the FREMM for Australia is fitted with a 127mm main gun and a Rheinmetall Millenium CIWS gun on top of the helicopter hangar. DCNS stresses that this is "a first approach to SEA5000 with known or anticipated requirements" and that it will adapt the design and systems fit as customer requirements emmerge. The FREMM was designed from the start by DCNS as a potent ASW platform with very low accoustic signature even at speed.
DCNS SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: ASW FREMM (Aquitaine class)
Length: 142 m
Max beam: 20 m
Displacement: 6000 t
Accommodation: 145 to 180
义大利Fincantieri造船厂带来义大利版的FREMM方案。法国跟义大利都能各自在国际上销售自己版本的FREMM。
During an industry meeting at PACIFIC 2015, Fincantieri unveiled the design of its proposal for the SEA5000 Future Frigate program. Based on the Italian Navy FREMM ASW (Virginio Fasan class), Fincantieri says it recently conducted feasibility studies to proof the possibility to use its FREMM platform to cope with different Navy requirements (including Canada and Australia). The Italian FREMM "can easily accommodate the CEAFAR2 [ed. note Fincantieri presentation mentionned the CEA PAR system]; weigh, CVG, electrical power consumption and fluidic requirements are aligned with the platform capabilities, without the necessity of major modifications". Finally, Fincantieri says it can easily install the SAAB CMS on board.
Fincantieri SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: ASW FREMM (Virginio Fasan class)
Length: 144 m
Max beam: 19.4 m
Displacement: 6,700 t
Accommodation: 167 (up to 200 for RAN)
纳凡提亚拿出F100（就是澳洲现在在造的AWD防空舰）的修改版，去除宙斯盾系统，改用CEA FAR相控阵。
但之前评估说F100平台噪音太大？
Navantia of Spain was the only one who showcased an actual scale model of its SEA5000 proposal. The vessel relies heavily on the Hobart class AWD design already selected by the RAN. A Navantia official explained there is "up to 70% commonality between the two platforms from a production stand point". The vessel would be fitted with 48x MK41 VLS cells, a SAAB combat management system and 2 helicopter hangars.
Navantia SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: RAN Hobart class ASW
Length overall: 147.2 m
Max beam: 18.6 m
End of life displacement: 7400 t
Accommodation: 237
德国TKMS带来的方案先前叫MEKO A400RAN，基本就是F125的豪华外销版
TKMS representatives explained to Navy Recognition at the show that their SEA5000 proposal shares the same hull and machinery as the F-125 Frigate which matches the basic requirements. With its CODLOG propulsion system, the vessel can reach up to 20 knots on electric propulsion (and keep a very low accoustic level). F-125 can accomodate up to 64x VLS cells. The proposal for the RAN has 32x cells forward and 16x more between the two masts. Based on CGI, the SEA5000 configuration includes an Oto Melara 127mm main gun, two Phalanx CIWS (forward and aft) and two hangars. At 7,200 tons the F-125 is large ship, which is TKMS says is necessary for the South Pacific Ocean.
TKMS SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: F-125 (Baden-Württemberg class)
Length: 149.5 m
Max beam: 18.8 m
Displacement: 7,200 t
Accommodation: 110 (up to 190)
除了原本已知参与角逐的西班牙纳凡提亚（F100改）、法国DCNS（FREMM改）、义大利（FREMM改）、德国TKMS（MEKO A400，就是F125的外销版）以及英国BAE（Type 26改）之外，日本也带了最新的30DX护卫舰参展。
http://www.navyrecognition.com/i ... 3162.html?task=view
At PACIFIC 2015, the international maritime exposition held recently in Sydney, most shipyards or shipbuilding groups attending the event unveiled the design of their proposal for the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) SEA5000 program. SEA5000 calls for the replacement of the RAN ANZAC class frigates. The Future Frigate is expected to have anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities and the CEAFAR2 radar currently in development by CEA.
这些设计不约而同都标榜集成澳洲本土CEA FAR2相控阵雷达系统，这是纽澳军团级改良计画（ SEA1448 Ph4B）的CEA FAR有源相控阵雷达的进一步发展型
CEA would not comment on CEAFAR2 at the show by Navy Recognition understands it will be a tri-band (S, X, L) radar with plannar arrays on an integrated mast. It will be developped (as part of SEA1448 Ph4B) to be agnostic to the ship design chosen for SEA5000. At PACIFIC 2015, the new generation active phased array radar could be seen fitted on almost all the SEA5000 contenders (on scale models or in CGI).
日本防卫省跟三菱重工带来30DX，稀客稀客！
Japan Mod and MHI representatives told Navy Recognition at the show that the 30DEX (sometimes called 30DX or FFX) is a new concept that was shown in the mid-term defense buildup plan of Japan. The 30DX incorporates lessons learned on stealth and radar technology when MHI developped the ATD-X Shinshin stealth fighter experimental aircraft. Partners in the 30DX program include NEC, Fujitsu and Mitsubishi Electronics especially for the integrated mast and radars. The model on display at PACIFIC 2015 is an actual remote controlled model use to test the ballance of the hull in a test facility of the JMSDF. It features a Mk 45 main gun, 2x Marlin - WS by Oto Melera (forward) and a SeaRAM on top of the helicopter hangar. The hull is fitted with two shafts and two water jets to answer the high speed requirement of the JMSDF: 30DEX is required to reach 40 knots. For SEA5000 MHI is ready to integrate CEA's CEAFAR2 radar on 30DEX.
MHI SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: 30DEX (MHI projet for JMSDF)
Length: 120 m
Max beam: 18 m
Displacement: About 3,000 t
Accommodation: About 100
英国BAE System的Type 26
The Type 26 is the future Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate that will replace the Royal Navy's 13 Type 23 frigates and other ships. BAE Systems says the Type 26 / Global Combat Ship will be a highly capable and versatile multi-mission warship designed to support anti-submarine warfare, air defence and general purpose operations anywhere on the world’s oceans. Navy Recognition could not meet a BAE representative who could talk about the SEA5000 GCS but we understand that it would be fitted with Mk41 cells exclusively (no CAMM which are present on the UK design) as well as a BAE Systems Mk 45 5 inch main gun.
BAE Systems SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: Global Combat Ship (Royal Navy Type 26)
Length: 148.5 m
Max beam: 20 m
Displacement: 6,000 t
Accommodation: 118 crew + 72 embarked forces
法国版FREMM提案已经在烟囱画上袋鼠
DCNS representative explained to Navy Recognition that the vessel shares the same hull (same engines, same displacement) based on the proven FREMM design. DCNS used its research and development work already conducted on the FREMM ER (unveiled at Euronaval 2012) to fine tune the design of the mast area for this SEA5000 proposal. As can be seen on the CGIs, the FREMM for Australia is fitted with a 127mm main gun and a Rheinmetall Millenium CIWS gun on top of the helicopter hangar. DCNS stresses that this is "a first approach to SEA5000 with known or anticipated requirements" and that it will adapt the design and systems fit as customer requirements emmerge. The FREMM was designed from the start by DCNS as a potent ASW platform with very low accoustic signature even at speed.
DCNS SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: ASW FREMM (Aquitaine class)
Length: 142 m
Max beam: 20 m
Displacement: 6000 t
Accommodation: 145 to 180
义大利Fincantieri造船厂带来义大利版的FREMM方案。法国跟义大利都能各自在国际上销售自己版本的FREMM。
During an industry meeting at PACIFIC 2015, Fincantieri unveiled the design of its proposal for the SEA5000 Future Frigate program. Based on the Italian Navy FREMM ASW (Virginio Fasan class), Fincantieri says it recently conducted feasibility studies to proof the possibility to use its FREMM platform to cope with different Navy requirements (including Canada and Australia). The Italian FREMM "can easily accommodate the CEAFAR2 [ed. note Fincantieri presentation mentionned the CEA PAR system]; weigh, CVG, electrical power consumption and fluidic requirements are aligned with the platform capabilities, without the necessity of major modifications". Finally, Fincantieri says it can easily install the SAAB CMS on board.
Fincantieri SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: ASW FREMM (Virginio Fasan class)
Length: 144 m
Max beam: 19.4 m
Displacement: 6,700 t
Accommodation: 167 (up to 200 for RAN)
纳凡提亚拿出F100（就是澳洲现在在造的AWD防空舰）的修改版，去除宙斯盾系统，改用CEA FAR相控阵。
但之前评估说F100平台噪音太大？
Navantia of Spain was the only one who showcased an actual scale model of its SEA5000 proposal. The vessel relies heavily on the Hobart class AWD design already selected by the RAN. A Navantia official explained there is "up to 70% commonality between the two platforms from a production stand point". The vessel would be fitted with 48x MK41 VLS cells, a SAAB combat management system and 2 helicopter hangars.
Navantia SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: RAN Hobart class ASW
Length overall: 147.2 m
Max beam: 18.6 m
End of life displacement: 7400 t
Accommodation: 237
德国TKMS带来的方案先前叫MEKO A400RAN，基本就是F125的豪华外销版
TKMS representatives explained to Navy Recognition at the show that their SEA5000 proposal shares the same hull and machinery as the F-125 Frigate which matches the basic requirements. With its CODLOG propulsion system, the vessel can reach up to 20 knots on electric propulsion (and keep a very low accoustic level). F-125 can accomodate up to 64x VLS cells. The proposal for the RAN has 32x cells forward and 16x more between the two masts. Based on CGI, the SEA5000 configuration includes an Oto Melara 127mm main gun, two Phalanx CIWS (forward and aft) and two hangars. At 7,200 tons the F-125 is large ship, which is TKMS says is necessary for the South Pacific Ocean.
TKMS SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: F-125 (Baden-Württemberg class)
Length: 149.5 m
Max beam: 18.8 m
Displacement: 7,200 t
Accommodation: 110 (up to 190)
在悉尼举办的「太平洋2015」（PACIFIC 2015）国际海事展中，打算替换纽澳军团级的SEA 5000护卫舰案自然是参展重点。
除了原本已知参与角逐的西班牙纳凡提亚（F100改）、法国DCNS（FREMM改）、义大利（FREMM改）、德国TKMS（MEKO A400，就是F125的外销版）以及英国BAE（Type 26改）之外，日本也带了最新的30DX护卫舰参展。
http://www.navyrecognition.com/i ... 3162.html?task=view
At PACIFIC 2015, the international maritime exposition held recently in Sydney, most shipyards or shipbuilding groups attending the event unveiled the design of their proposal for the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) SEA5000 program. SEA5000 calls for the replacement of the RAN ANZAC class frigates. The Future Frigate is expected to have anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities and the CEAFAR2 radar currently in development by CEA.
这些设计不约而同都标榜集成澳洲本土CEA FAR2相控阵雷达系统，这是纽澳军团级改良计画（ SEA1448 Ph4B）的CEA FAR有源相控阵雷达的进一步发展型
CEA would not comment on CEAFAR2 at the show by Navy Recognition understands it will be a tri-band (S, X, L) radar with plannar arrays on an integrated mast. It will be developped (as part of SEA1448 Ph4B) to be agnostic to the ship design chosen for SEA5000. At PACIFIC 2015, the new generation active phased array radar could be seen fitted on almost all the SEA5000 contenders (on scale models or in CGI).
SEA5000_CEAFAR2_CEA_Radar_30DEX_Japan_MHI_PACIFIC_2015.jpg (59.93 KB, 下载次数: 11)
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日本防卫省跟三菱重工带来30DX，稀客稀客！
Japan Mod and MHI representatives told Navy Recognition at the show that the 30DEX (sometimes called 30DX or FFX) is a new concept that was shown in the mid-term defense buildup plan of Japan. The 30DX incorporates lessons learned on stealth and radar technology when MHI developped the ATD-X Shinshin stealth fighter experimental aircraft. Partners in the 30DX program include NEC, Fujitsu and Mitsubishi Electronics especially for the integrated mast and radars. The model on display at PACIFIC 2015 is an actual remote controlled model use to test the ballance of the hull in a test facility of the JMSDF. It features a Mk 45 main gun, 2x Marlin - WS by Oto Melera (forward) and a SeaRAM on top of the helicopter hangar. The hull is fitted with two shafts and two water jets to answer the high speed requirement of the JMSDF: 30DEX is required to reach 40 knots. For SEA5000 MHI is ready to integrate CEA's CEAFAR2 radar on 30DEX.
MHI SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: 30DEX (MHI projet for JMSDF)
Length: 120 m
Max beam: 18 m
Displacement: About 3,000 t
Accommodation: About 100
SEA5000_CEAFAR2_CEA_Radar_BAE-GCS-T26_PACIFIC_2015.jpg (64.96 KB, 下载次数: 11)
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英国BAE System的Type 26
The Type 26 is the future Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate that will replace the Royal Navy's 13 Type 23 frigates and other ships. BAE Systems says the Type 26 / Global Combat Ship will be a highly capable and versatile multi-mission warship designed to support anti-submarine warfare, air defence and general purpose operations anywhere on the world’s oceans. Navy Recognition could not meet a BAE representative who could talk about the SEA5000 GCS but we understand that it would be fitted with Mk41 cells exclusively (no CAMM which are present on the UK design) as well as a BAE Systems Mk 45 5 inch main gun.
BAE Systems SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: Global Combat Ship (Royal Navy Type 26)
Length: 148.5 m
Max beam: 20 m
Displacement: 6,000 t
Accommodation: 118 crew + 72 embarked forces
SEA5000_CEAFAR2_CEA_Radar_DCNS_FREMM_PACIFIC_2015.jpg (40.5 KB, 下载次数: 11)
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法国版FREMM提案已经在烟囱画上袋鼠
DCNS representative explained to Navy Recognition that the vessel shares the same hull (same engines, same displacement) based on the proven FREMM design. DCNS used its research and development work already conducted on the FREMM ER (unveiled at Euronaval 2012) to fine tune the design of the mast area for this SEA5000 proposal. As can be seen on the CGIs, the FREMM for Australia is fitted with a 127mm main gun and a Rheinmetall Millenium CIWS gun on top of the helicopter hangar. DCNS stresses that this is "a first approach to SEA5000 with known or anticipated requirements" and that it will adapt the design and systems fit as customer requirements emmerge. The FREMM was designed from the start by DCNS as a potent ASW platform with very low accoustic signature even at speed.
DCNS SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: ASW FREMM (Aquitaine class)
Length: 142 m
Max beam: 20 m
Displacement: 6000 t
Accommodation: 145 to 180
SEA5000_CEAFAR2_CEA_Radar_Fincantieri_FREMM_PACIFIC_2015.jpg (130.28 KB, 下载次数: 10)
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义大利Fincantieri造船厂带来义大利版的FREMM方案。法国跟义大利都能各自在国际上销售自己版本的FREMM。
During an industry meeting at PACIFIC 2015, Fincantieri unveiled the design of its proposal for the SEA5000 Future Frigate program. Based on the Italian Navy FREMM ASW (Virginio Fasan class), Fincantieri says it recently conducted feasibility studies to proof the possibility to use its FREMM platform to cope with different Navy requirements (including Canada and Australia). The Italian FREMM "can easily accommodate the CEAFAR2 [ed. note Fincantieri presentation mentionned the CEA PAR system]; weigh, CVG, electrical power consumption and fluidic requirements are aligned with the platform capabilities, without the necessity of major modifications". Finally, Fincantieri says it can easily install the SAAB CMS on board.
Fincantieri SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: ASW FREMM (Virginio Fasan class)
Length: 144 m
Max beam: 19.4 m
Displacement: 6,700 t
Accommodation: 167 (up to 200 for RAN)
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纳凡提亚拿出F100（就是澳洲现在在造的AWD防空舰）的修改版，去除宙斯盾系统，改用CEA FAR相控阵。
但之前评估说F100平台噪音太大？
Navantia of Spain was the only one who showcased an actual scale model of its SEA5000 proposal. The vessel relies heavily on the Hobart class AWD design already selected by the RAN. A Navantia official explained there is "up to 70% commonality between the two platforms from a production stand point". The vessel would be fitted with 48x MK41 VLS cells, a SAAB combat management system and 2 helicopter hangars.
Navantia SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: RAN Hobart class ASW
Length overall: 147.2 m
Max beam: 18.6 m
End of life displacement: 7400 t
Accommodation: 237
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德国TKMS带来的方案先前叫MEKO A400RAN，基本就是F125的豪华外销版
TKMS representatives explained to Navy Recognition at the show that their SEA5000 proposal shares the same hull and machinery as the F-125 Frigate which matches the basic requirements. With its CODLOG propulsion system, the vessel can reach up to 20 knots on electric propulsion (and keep a very low accoustic level). F-125 can accomodate up to 64x VLS cells. The proposal for the RAN has 32x cells forward and 16x more between the two masts. Based on CGI, the SEA5000 configuration includes an Oto Melara 127mm main gun, two Phalanx CIWS (forward and aft) and two hangars. At 7,200 tons the F-125 is large ship, which is TKMS says is necessary for the South Pacific Ocean.
TKMS SEA5000 proposal basic specifications:
Original design: F-125 (Baden-Württemberg class)
Length: 149.5 m
Max beam: 18.8 m
Displacement: 7,200 t
Accommodation: 110 (up to 190)
价格估计要比造型还要前卫。
袋鼠国的扩军比欧洲还要疯狂。
中国的实力其实比上述几国都要来的雄厚 无论是技术掌握程度更完整性 这么不去去 即使明知袋鼠不会选 也从做做政治效果
这相控阵的阵面数也确实感人............{:soso_e110:}
白人救世主 发表于 2015-10-13 23:05
中国的实力其实比上述几国都要来的雄厚 无论是技术掌握程度更完整性 这么不去去 即使明知袋鼠不会选 也 ...
袋鼠买这些防的就是中国印尼，还买中国的？
中国的实力其实比上述几国都要来的雄厚 无论是技术掌握程度更完整性 这么不去去 即使明知袋鼠不会选 也 ...
袋鼠买这些防的就是中国印尼，还买中国的？
感谢楼主，学到不少技术趋势。
韵达快递 发表于 2015-10-13 23:40
袋鼠买这些防的就是中国印尼，还买中国的？
所以更有必要去竞标 所以才能显得两国并不是军队潜在敌对国的关系 无论实际如何
袋鼠买这些防的就是中国印尼，还买中国的？
所以更有必要去竞标 所以才能显得两国并不是军队潜在敌对国的关系 无论实际如何
什么都能赢 发表于 2015-10-13 23:02
价格估计要比造型还要前卫。
欧洲那一票造船的 哪有便宜的 澳大利亚也是只肥羊
价格估计要比造型还要前卫。
欧洲那一票造船的 哪有便宜的 澳大利亚也是只肥羊
除了脚盆那艘奇葩，别的都是六、七千吨
印尼也还算有钱，要卖估计就是054B了
西方现在流行把6,7千吨的军舰叫护卫舰!
很多人纠缠中国应该造6千吨的护卫舰.
其实完全不用纠结,直接把052D改叫做护卫舰就好了!
052D是大护,054A/B是中护,056是小护,齐活!
很多人纠缠中国应该造6千吨的护卫舰.
其实完全不用纠结,直接把052D改叫做护卫舰就好了!
052D是大护,054A/B是中护,056是小护,齐活!
dallasjazz 发表于 2015-10-13 23:58
除了脚盆那艘奇葩，别的都是六、七千吨
日本拿秋月改去竞标多好，价格也很有竞争力。
除了脚盆那艘奇葩，别的都是六、七千吨
日本拿秋月改去竞标多好，价格也很有竞争力。
看楼主意大利和计划的说法应该是港台同胞吧。
感谢楼主好帖！
SEA5000. 是要标排5000吨级的吧
白人救世主 发表于 2015-10-13 23:05
中国的实力其实比上述几国都要来的雄厚 无论是技术掌握程度更完整性 这么不去去 即使明知袋鼠不会选 也 ...
中国的设计不够吸引力 ... 精致度还有待改进 ...
中国的实力其实比上述几国都要来的雄厚 无论是技术掌握程度更完整性 这么不去去 即使明知袋鼠不会选 也 ...
中国的设计不够吸引力 ... 精致度还有待改进 ...
waja2000 发表于 2015-10-14 01:07
中国的设计不够吸引力 ... 精致度还有待改进 ...
外贸模型吗 你有技术想怎么改就怎么改 搞到他满意为止 关键在于你自己都不去偿失一下 不是说一定要做这个生意 哪怕明知道对方因为政治跟意识形态 不会接我们的单 但这至少是中国更加融入国际主流社会途径的最好宣誓 不要总是搞的好像澳洲就是中国潜在的敌对国 要军事对抗似的 做些努力 或多或少都是有效果的
中国的设计不够吸引力 ... 精致度还有待改进 ...
外贸模型吗 你有技术想怎么改就怎么改 搞到他满意为止 关键在于你自己都不去偿失一下 不是说一定要做这个生意 哪怕明知道对方因为政治跟意识形态 不会接我们的单 但这至少是中国更加融入国际主流社会途径的最好宣誓 不要总是搞的好像澳洲就是中国潜在的敌对国 要军事对抗似的 做些努力 或多或少都是有效果的
为什么雷达菱形布置
云卿 发表于 2015-10-14 01:17
为什么雷达菱形布置
因为澳洲的 CEAFAR雷达是6面阵 ....
为什么雷达菱形布置
因为澳洲的 CEAFAR雷达是6面阵 ....
日本拿秋月改去竞标多好，价格也很有竞争力。
四发小燃肯定比不上26型阿基坦它们单燃简洁，袋鼠海军人数不多舰员少的占优。
四发小燃肯定比不上26型阿基坦它们单燃简洁，袋鼠海军人数不多舰员少的占优。
白人救世主 发表于 2015-10-14 01:15
外贸模型吗 你有技术想怎么改就怎么改 搞到他满意为止 关键在于你自己都不去偿失一下 不是说一定要做 ...
问题现在不是要你改，而是呈现设计方案 .......
话说国内也没有设计过6千吨的护卫舰 ......
也不大可能用052D的设计去改(或许部分人觉得会泄漏机密)
外贸模型吗 你有技术想怎么改就怎么改 搞到他满意为止 关键在于你自己都不去偿失一下 不是说一定要做 ...
问题现在不是要你改，而是呈现设计方案 .......
话说国内也没有设计过6千吨的护卫舰 ......
也不大可能用052D的设计去改(或许部分人觉得会泄漏机密)
小日本的方案很怪异，感觉是像用2500t的船身，对甲板加宽处理了，变成现在3000t的样子。。。
据闻是为了满足买家对舰上居住环境的宽敞的需求。。。
据闻是为了满足买家对舰上居住环境的宽敞的需求。。。
小日本拿个3000t跑去搅屎麽
三菱的那个滨海舰的设计，垂发是在船的中段么？
30DEX DE是护航驱逐舰的缩写
dallasjazz 发表于 2015-10-13 23:58
除了脚盆那艘奇葩，别的都是六、七千吨
不过日本人这款要是放大了也是一款漂亮的军舰。
除了脚盆那艘奇葩，别的都是六、七千吨
不过日本人这款要是放大了也是一款漂亮的军舰。
感觉26和FREMM的机会比较大。
西方现在流行把6,7千吨的军舰叫护卫舰!
很多人纠缠中国应该造6千吨的护卫舰.
其实完全不用纠结,直接把052 ...
驱与护的区别不在于吨位，而在于有没有完整的指挥和攻防系统
很多人纠缠中国应该造6千吨的护卫舰.
其实完全不用纠结,直接把052 ...
驱与护的区别不在于吨位，而在于有没有完整的指挥和攻防系统
中船重工啥的也应该过去参个展，拿价格恶心恶心小日本
lhr817 发表于 2015-10-14 07:13
感觉26和FREMM的机会比较大。
应该是26型和纳凡提亚F100型优势最大.
26型设计的好，垂发可以安装48个mk41,有多功能仓，用途大， 加上澳洲是英联邦国家
F100是因为澳洲AAW防空舰都是用这款， 如果护卫舰用一样的，在维护/零件, 都船员容易熟悉和调配 都有极大方便，成本可能还会下降.
至于Fremm，只有说反潜先进，价钱便宜很多， 使用成本低。
德国机会不大。
lhr817 发表于 2015-10-14 07:13
感觉26和FREMM的机会比较大。
应该是26型和纳凡提亚F100型优势最大.
26型设计的好，垂发可以安装48个mk41,有多功能仓，用途大， 加上澳洲是英联邦国家
F100是因为澳洲AAW防空舰都是用这款， 如果护卫舰用一样的，在维护/零件, 都船员容易熟悉和调配 都有极大方便，成本可能还会下降.
至于Fremm，只有说反潜先进，价钱便宜很多， 使用成本低。
德国机会不大。
应该是26型和纳凡提亚F100型优势最大.
26型设计的好，垂发可以安装48个mk41,有多功能厂，用途大， 加上 ...
在防空舰的基础上改反潜舰，总觉得不太靠谱。
26型设计的好，垂发可以安装48个mk41,有多功能厂，用途大， 加上 ...
在防空舰的基础上改反潜舰，总觉得不太靠谱。
lhr817 发表于 2015-10-14 09:20
在防空舰的基础上改反潜舰，总觉得不太靠谱。
其实澳洲AAW防空舰不止单单防空， 也是有很强大的反潜能力，配有Ultra Electronics的整套反潜系统 ...
F100护卫舰型基本只是改掉SPY1雷达换澳洲本土的雷达而已. 简单的多， 优势有大。
话说国内海军那052D改为护卫舰也没有什么不妥。
在防空舰的基础上改反潜舰，总觉得不太靠谱。
其实澳洲AAW防空舰不止单单防空， 也是有很强大的反潜能力，配有Ultra Electronics的整套反潜系统 ...
F100护卫舰型基本只是改掉SPY1雷达换澳洲本土的雷达而已. 简单的多， 优势有大。
话说国内海军那052D改为护卫舰也没有什么不妥。
我赌会买26型。
四发小燃肯定比不上26型阿基坦它们单燃简洁，袋鼠海军人数不多舰员少的占优。
改mt30双燃，精简人员就行了。
这些对鬼子都不算个事。
改mt30双燃，精简人员就行了。
这些对鬼子都不算个事。
guoxing1987 发表于 2015-10-14 10:55
改mt30双燃，精简人员就行了。
这些对鬼子都不算个事。
MT30双燃功率太高，像26型单燃就够了，鬼子买什么都想引进技术，以前别人不知道它山寨能力强，现在别想拿到新技术。鬼子的船舶自动化水平比英法差不少，人少玩不转。
guoxing1987 发表于 2015-10-14 10:55
改mt30双燃，精简人员就行了。
这些对鬼子都不算个事。
MT30双燃功率太高，像26型单燃就够了，鬼子买什么都想引进技术，以前别人不知道它山寨能力强，现在别想拿到新技术。鬼子的船舶自动化水平比英法差不少，人少玩不转。
韵达快递 发表于 2015-10-13 23:40
袋鼠买这些防的就是中国印尼，还买中国的？
防止中国切断澳大利亚向中国出口铁矿石和牛肉的海上线？
袋鼠买这些防的就是中国印尼，还买中国的？
防止中国切断澳大利亚向中国出口铁矿石和牛肉的海上线？
MT30双燃功率太高，像26型单燃就够了，鬼子买什么都想引进技术，以前别人不知道它山寨能力强，现在别想拿 ...
日本这个方案就是两台mt30
日本这个方案就是两台mt30
日本这个方案就是两台mt30
山寨版LCS，一般3000吨护卫舰用不上6000吨的也用不上。它自己还没做出来，完全是搅局的。
山寨版LCS，一般3000吨护卫舰用不上6000吨的也用不上。它自己还没做出来，完全是搅局的。
应该选母国的26型全球巡航舰比较靠谱
或者西班牙F100改进型号
或者西班牙F100改进型号