美国记者吐槽救护车费用坑爹,15分钟高达1772美元

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Kira Milas has no idea who called 911, summoning an ambulance filled with emergency medical technicians. Ms. Milas, 23, was working as a swim instructor for the summer and had swum into the side of the pool, breaking three teeth.
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Joanne Freedman's two-block ambulance ride was billed at $900. "It was crazy. All they did was put a paper mask on me so I wouldn't infect anyone else," she said.
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The bill for Kira Milas' 15-minute ambulance ride was $1,772.42.
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Shaken, she accepted the ambulance ride to Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla, Calif. The paramedics applied a neck brace as a precaution.

A week later she received a bill for the 15-minute trip: $1,772.42. Though her employer’s workers’ compensation will cover the bill, she still was stunned at the charge. “We only drove nine miles and it was a non-life-threatening injury,” she said in a phone interview. “I needed absolutely no emergency treatment.”

Thirty years ago ambulance rides were generally provided free of charge, underwritten by taxpayers as a municipal service or provided by volunteers. Today, like the rest of the health care system in the United States, most ambulance services operate as businesses and contribute to America’s escalating medical bills. Often, they are a high-cost prequel to expensive emergency room visits.

Although ambulances are often requested by a bystander or summoned by 911 dispatchers, they are almost always billed to the patient involved. And the charges, as well as insurance coverage, range widely, from zero to tens of thousands of dollars.

“There are a significant numbers of patients who have no coverage for this, and the number of self-pay patients has climbed” since the recession, said Jay Fitch, president of Fitch and Associates, the largest emergency medical services consulting firm in the United States.

What is more, since ambulances companies typically collect only 30 to 40 percent of the amount they bill, they often try to charge more for patients with insurance and those who can pay, Mr. Fitch said.

Part of the inconsistency in pricing stems from the fact that ambulance services are variously run by fire departments, hospitals, private companies and volunteer groups. Some services are included in insurance networks, others not.

“There’s a saying that if you’ve seen one emergency medical system, you’ve seen one emergency medical system — no two are alike,” said Dr. Robert E. O’Connor, a vice president of the American College of Emergency Medicine and chairman of the department at the University of Virginia. Charges and payments, he said, “are all over the place.” Fire departments, which don’t charge for driving to fire alarms, do charge for ambulance runs.

In such a fragmented system, it is hard to know how much high-priced ambulance transport contributes nationally to America’s $2.7 trillion health care bill. And total out-of-pocket expenditures by individuals are hard to tally.

But Medicare, the insurance program for the elderly, does tabulate its numbers and has become alarmed at its fast-rising expenditures for ambulance rides: nearly $6 billion a year, up from just $2 billion in 2002.

That is true even though Medicare’s fixed payments for ambulance rides — ranging from $289 to $481 in 2011 — are far lower than commercial rates. Ambulance companies complain that Medicare rates do not meet the costs of running what are essentially mobile emergency rooms staffed by highly trained professionals.

In a recent study, the federal Health and Human Services Department’s Office of the Inspector General noted that the Medicare ambulance services were “vulnerable to abuse and fraud,” in part because there were lax standards on when an ambulance was needed and how the trip should be billed. The number of transports paid for by Medicare increased 69 percent between 2002 and 2011, while the number of Medicare patients increased only 7 percent during that period. In the last year, two ambulance companies have pleaded guilty or settled claims for overbilling Medicare.

The Affordable Care Act requires policies to include some coverage for emergency care as an essential benefit, including ambulance transport. But the ambulance ride and the care are billed separately. Many Silver plans — a lower-tier plan — require patients to pay an initial copay of $250 for the emergency room and $250 more for the transport, for example.

Every insurance plan evaluates ambulance rides differently for coverage, with many seeking to determine if the service was really needed — a true “emergency.”

That determination can be highly subjective. Some will grant coverage if the destination was an emergency room, regardless of the patient’s status, but others may require admittance to the hospital as evidence that the condition was serious. “Insurers will generally cover if you had good reason to believe there was a serious threat to your life or health,” said Susan Pisano, a spokeswoman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, an industry group.

But when an ambulance arrives, sick patients or injured people like Ms. Milas, often feel they have little choice but to get in, unaware of the potential price tag.

If an emergency call comes to 911, dispatchers decide which ambulance to send, depending on proximity. Most ambulance companies bill according to the level of skill of the team on board, rather than the medical needs of the patients they collect. A team capable of administering Advanced Cardiac Life Support costs more than one with only basic first aid training.

Distance rarely counts for much, although a small mileage charge is added to the fee. Some companies even charge hundreds of dollars extra if a friend or relative rides along with an injured patients.

This fall, Joanne Freedman went to an urgent care center near her home in New York City with a bad headache and a fever. The doctor recommended she go to a hospital for further evaluation and offered to call an ambulance.

“I could have walked, but I’m feeling crummy so I think, ' OK, why not?’ ” she recalled.

The two-block ride was billed at $900, and she has not yet learned what her insurer may ask her to pay.

“It was crazy,” she said. “All they did was put a paper mask on me so I wouldn’t infect anyone else.” Ms. Freedman had a spinal tap at the hospital and was admitted for a few days. Nonetheless, she said, for $900, the next time, no matter how ill she will walk up the hill or take a cab.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: December 4, 2013

An earlier version of this article misspelled the given name of a woman who went to an urgent care center near her home in New York City. She is Joanne Freedman, not Joann. An earlier version of a picture caption with this article contained the same error.






基拉·米拉斯(Kira Milas)不知道谁拨打了911电话,叫来了坐满急救医护人员的救护车。23岁的米拉斯今年夏天担任了游泳教练,她游到泳池边时,磕断了三颗牙齿。

尽管有所动摇,她还是答应乘坐救护车,前往加利福尼亚州拉霍亚的斯克里普斯纪念医院(Scripps Memorial Hospital)。医护人员给她戴上了颈托以防意外。

一个星期后,她收到了这趟15分钟行程的账单:1772.42美元。尽管她雇主提供的工伤赔偿将支付账单,她依然对这笔费用感到震惊。她在接受电话采访时说,“我们只行驶了9英里,并没有危及生命的伤势。我绝对不需要接受紧急治疗。”

30年前,救护车送病人到医院一般都是免费的,费用由纳税人承担,列为市政服务项目,或者由志愿人员提供服务。如今,像美国医疗保健系统的其他层面一样,大部分救护车服务都是商业运作,导致美国的医疗费用急剧上升。通常情况下,病人先乘坐一趟费用不低的救护车,再接受昂贵的急诊室治疗。



尽管救护车通常是路人或911调度员代为召来,不过账单几乎总是寄给病人。这些费用及保险覆盖范围各不相同,从免费到高达数万美元不等。

全美最大的紧急医疗服务咨询公司费奇合伙公司(Fitch and Associates)的总裁杰·费奇(Jay Fitch)表示,“很多病人的医疗保险不包含这笔费用,经济衰退以来,自掏腰包付救护车费用的病人数量持续攀升。”

费奇说,更重要的是,由于救护车公司通常只能收到账单总额的30%到40%,他们往往向拥有医疗保险或支付能力的病人收取更多的费用。

收费不同的部分原因是救护车服务由消防部门、医院、私人企业和志愿团体等不同机构经营。有些服务包含在保险范围内,有些则没有。

美国急诊医学会(American College of Emergency Medicine)副会长、弗吉尼亚大学(University of Virginia)急诊系主任罗伯特·奥康纳(Robert E. O’Connor)表示,“有种说法是,如果你看到一个紧急医疗系统,你就只能了解这一种——没有两个系统完全一样。”他说,收费及付款“混乱不堪”。消防部门不会收取火警救援的费用,却为救护车运送病人而收费。



基拉·米拉斯坐了15分钟救护车,收费达1772.42美元。 Sam Hodgson for The New York Times

在这个支离破碎的医疗体系中,人们很难知道全国范围的高价救护车运送服务在美国2.7万亿美元的医疗保健费用中占了多少比例。现金支付的费用总额难以统计。

不过,为老年人提供保险计划的联邦医疗保险(Medicare)列出了具体数字,该计划快速增长的救护车服务费用让人感到担忧:全年近60亿美元,远远高于2002年的近20亿美元。

事实上,尽管联邦医疗保险为救护车服务支付固定费用——2011年为289美元到481美元——依然远远低于商业保险费用。救护车公司抱怨说,联邦医疗保险支付的费用不能满足运营成本,救护车从本质上来说是移动的急诊室,配备了训练有素的专业人员。

在最近的研究中,联邦卫生及公共服务部(Health and Human Services Department)监察长办公室指出,联邦医疗保险救护车服务“容易受到滥用和欺诈的影响”,一方面是因为救护车服务必要性和行程计费方式的宽松标准。从2002年到2011年,联邦医疗保险付费的救护车服务次数增加了69%,而在此期间联邦医疗保险的参保病人数量仅增加了7%。去年,有两家救护车公司因虚报联邦医疗保险费用而认罪或进行赔偿。

《平价医疗法案》(Affordable Care Act)要求医疗保险把紧急医疗作为基本医疗服务纳入覆盖范围,包括救护车运送病人。但是救护车服务和医疗护理要分开计费。比如说,许多“银色计划”(Silver plans)——低档次保险计划——要求病人支付250美元的急诊室自付医疗费和250美元的救护车费用。

各种医疗保险计划对救护车服务的保险范围有不同的评估,许多保险计划会设法确定这项服务是否确有必要——是否为真正的“紧急情况”。

这种评估可能非常主观。无论患者的病情如何,如果救护车的目的地是急诊室,有些保险计划会支付这笔费用,不过有些保险计划可能需要入院记录作为紧急情况的证据。行业组织美国医疗保险计划(America’s Health Insurance Plans)女发言人苏珊·皮萨诺(Susan Pisano)说,“保险公司通常会支付这笔费用,前提是你有充分的理由相信,出现了严重威胁到你的生命或健康的情况。”

但是在救护车到达时,虚弱的病人或像米拉斯这样受伤的患者经常觉得自己别无选择,只能登上救护车,却不知道可能支付的费用。

如果救护车是911代为召来,调度员会根据距离远近派出救护车。大多数救护车公司的服务费用都是根据急救团队的技术水平而定,并不是取决于他们收治患者的医疗需求。能够提供高级生命支持的急救团队,费用高于那些只受过基本急救培训的医护人员。

救护车行驶的距离并不重要,不过小额里程费也会计算进来。如果有亲友陪同受伤患者乘坐救护车,有些公司甚至会额外收取数百美元的费用。

今年秋天,家住纽约市的乔安妮·弗里德曼(Joanne Freedman)因剧烈头痛和发烧,来到她家附近的急救中心就诊。医生建议她去医院做进一步诊断,并提出帮她打电话叫救护车。

她回忆说,“我本来可以自己走路,不过我觉得很不舒服,所以我就想,‘好吧,为什么不呢?’”

救护车行驶了两个街区,为她带来了900美元的账单,而她还不知道保险公司要她自付多少费用。

她说,“这简直是疯了。他们只是让我戴了个纸口罩,以免我传染他人。”弗里德曼女士在医院接受了腰椎穿刺,住了几天院。不过,提到这900美元的费用,她说下次无论自己病得多么厉害,都会步行去医院,或者乘坐出租车。

作者ELISABETH ROSENTHAL2014年01月17日。本文最初发表于2013年12月5日。

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Kira Milas has no idea who called 911, summoning an ambulance filled with emergency medical technicians. Ms. Milas, 23, was working as a swim instructor for the summer and had swum into the side of the pool, breaking three teeth.
Related



Karsten Moran for The New York Times
Joanne Freedman's two-block ambulance ride was billed at $900. "It was crazy. All they did was put a paper mask on me so I wouldn't infect anyone else," she said.
Enlarge This Image

Sam Hodgson for The New York Times
The bill for Kira Milas' 15-minute ambulance ride was $1,772.42.
Readers’ Comments
"We reap what we sow. I'm sure in many of these towns/cities, there were calls to keep taxes and municipal expenses down."
Hugo, NYC
Read Full Comment »
Shaken, she accepted the ambulance ride to Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla, Calif. The paramedics applied a neck brace as a precaution.

A week later she received a bill for the 15-minute trip: $1,772.42. Though her employer’s workers’ compensation will cover the bill, she still was stunned at the charge. “We only drove nine miles and it was a non-life-threatening injury,” she said in a phone interview. “I needed absolutely no emergency treatment.”

Thirty years ago ambulance rides were generally provided free of charge, underwritten by taxpayers as a municipal service or provided by volunteers. Today, like the rest of the health care system in the United States, most ambulance services operate as businesses and contribute to America’s escalating medical bills. Often, they are a high-cost prequel to expensive emergency room visits.

Although ambulances are often requested by a bystander or summoned by 911 dispatchers, they are almost always billed to the patient involved. And the charges, as well as insurance coverage, range widely, from zero to tens of thousands of dollars.

“There are a significant numbers of patients who have no coverage for this, and the number of self-pay patients has climbed” since the recession, said Jay Fitch, president of Fitch and Associates, the largest emergency medical services consulting firm in the United States.

What is more, since ambulances companies typically collect only 30 to 40 percent of the amount they bill, they often try to charge more for patients with insurance and those who can pay, Mr. Fitch said.

Part of the inconsistency in pricing stems from the fact that ambulance services are variously run by fire departments, hospitals, private companies and volunteer groups. Some services are included in insurance networks, others not.

“There’s a saying that if you’ve seen one emergency medical system, you’ve seen one emergency medical system — no two are alike,” said Dr. Robert E. O’Connor, a vice president of the American College of Emergency Medicine and chairman of the department at the University of Virginia. Charges and payments, he said, “are all over the place.” Fire departments, which don’t charge for driving to fire alarms, do charge for ambulance runs.

In such a fragmented system, it is hard to know how much high-priced ambulance transport contributes nationally to America’s $2.7 trillion health care bill. And total out-of-pocket expenditures by individuals are hard to tally.

But Medicare, the insurance program for the elderly, does tabulate its numbers and has become alarmed at its fast-rising expenditures for ambulance rides: nearly $6 billion a year, up from just $2 billion in 2002.

That is true even though Medicare’s fixed payments for ambulance rides — ranging from $289 to $481 in 2011 — are far lower than commercial rates. Ambulance companies complain that Medicare rates do not meet the costs of running what are essentially mobile emergency rooms staffed by highly trained professionals.

In a recent study, the federal Health and Human Services Department’s Office of the Inspector General noted that the Medicare ambulance services were “vulnerable to abuse and fraud,” in part because there were lax standards on when an ambulance was needed and how the trip should be billed. The number of transports paid for by Medicare increased 69 percent between 2002 and 2011, while the number of Medicare patients increased only 7 percent during that period. In the last year, two ambulance companies have pleaded guilty or settled claims for overbilling Medicare.

The Affordable Care Act requires policies to include some coverage for emergency care as an essential benefit, including ambulance transport. But the ambulance ride and the care are billed separately. Many Silver plans — a lower-tier plan — require patients to pay an initial copay of $250 for the emergency room and $250 more for the transport, for example.

Every insurance plan evaluates ambulance rides differently for coverage, with many seeking to determine if the service was really needed — a true “emergency.”

That determination can be highly subjective. Some will grant coverage if the destination was an emergency room, regardless of the patient’s status, but others may require admittance to the hospital as evidence that the condition was serious. “Insurers will generally cover if you had good reason to believe there was a serious threat to your life or health,” said Susan Pisano, a spokeswoman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, an industry group.

But when an ambulance arrives, sick patients or injured people like Ms. Milas, often feel they have little choice but to get in, unaware of the potential price tag.

If an emergency call comes to 911, dispatchers decide which ambulance to send, depending on proximity. Most ambulance companies bill according to the level of skill of the team on board, rather than the medical needs of the patients they collect. A team capable of administering Advanced Cardiac Life Support costs more than one with only basic first aid training.

Distance rarely counts for much, although a small mileage charge is added to the fee. Some companies even charge hundreds of dollars extra if a friend or relative rides along with an injured patients.

This fall, Joanne Freedman went to an urgent care center near her home in New York City with a bad headache and a fever. The doctor recommended she go to a hospital for further evaluation and offered to call an ambulance.

“I could have walked, but I’m feeling crummy so I think, ' OK, why not?’ ” she recalled.

The two-block ride was billed at $900, and she has not yet learned what her insurer may ask her to pay.

“It was crazy,” she said. “All they did was put a paper mask on me so I wouldn’t infect anyone else.” Ms. Freedman had a spinal tap at the hospital and was admitted for a few days. Nonetheless, she said, for $900, the next time, no matter how ill she will walk up the hill or take a cab.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: December 4, 2013

An earlier version of this article misspelled the given name of a woman who went to an urgent care center near her home in New York City. She is Joanne Freedman, not Joann. An earlier version of a picture caption with this article contained the same error.






基拉·米拉斯(Kira Milas)不知道谁拨打了911电话,叫来了坐满急救医护人员的救护车。23岁的米拉斯今年夏天担任了游泳教练,她游到泳池边时,磕断了三颗牙齿。

尽管有所动摇,她还是答应乘坐救护车,前往加利福尼亚州拉霍亚的斯克里普斯纪念医院(Scripps Memorial Hospital)。医护人员给她戴上了颈托以防意外。

一个星期后,她收到了这趟15分钟行程的账单:1772.42美元。尽管她雇主提供的工伤赔偿将支付账单,她依然对这笔费用感到震惊。她在接受电话采访时说,“我们只行驶了9英里,并没有危及生命的伤势。我绝对不需要接受紧急治疗。”

30年前,救护车送病人到医院一般都是免费的,费用由纳税人承担,列为市政服务项目,或者由志愿人员提供服务。如今,像美国医疗保健系统的其他层面一样,大部分救护车服务都是商业运作,导致美国的医疗费用急剧上升。通常情况下,病人先乘坐一趟费用不低的救护车,再接受昂贵的急诊室治疗。



尽管救护车通常是路人或911调度员代为召来,不过账单几乎总是寄给病人。这些费用及保险覆盖范围各不相同,从免费到高达数万美元不等。

全美最大的紧急医疗服务咨询公司费奇合伙公司(Fitch and Associates)的总裁杰·费奇(Jay Fitch)表示,“很多病人的医疗保险不包含这笔费用,经济衰退以来,自掏腰包付救护车费用的病人数量持续攀升。”

费奇说,更重要的是,由于救护车公司通常只能收到账单总额的30%到40%,他们往往向拥有医疗保险或支付能力的病人收取更多的费用。

收费不同的部分原因是救护车服务由消防部门、医院、私人企业和志愿团体等不同机构经营。有些服务包含在保险范围内,有些则没有。

美国急诊医学会(American College of Emergency Medicine)副会长、弗吉尼亚大学(University of Virginia)急诊系主任罗伯特·奥康纳(Robert E. O’Connor)表示,“有种说法是,如果你看到一个紧急医疗系统,你就只能了解这一种——没有两个系统完全一样。”他说,收费及付款“混乱不堪”。消防部门不会收取火警救援的费用,却为救护车运送病人而收费。



基拉·米拉斯坐了15分钟救护车,收费达1772.42美元。 Sam Hodgson for The New York Times

在这个支离破碎的医疗体系中,人们很难知道全国范围的高价救护车运送服务在美国2.7万亿美元的医疗保健费用中占了多少比例。现金支付的费用总额难以统计。

不过,为老年人提供保险计划的联邦医疗保险(Medicare)列出了具体数字,该计划快速增长的救护车服务费用让人感到担忧:全年近60亿美元,远远高于2002年的近20亿美元。

事实上,尽管联邦医疗保险为救护车服务支付固定费用——2011年为289美元到481美元——依然远远低于商业保险费用。救护车公司抱怨说,联邦医疗保险支付的费用不能满足运营成本,救护车从本质上来说是移动的急诊室,配备了训练有素的专业人员。

在最近的研究中,联邦卫生及公共服务部(Health and Human Services Department)监察长办公室指出,联邦医疗保险救护车服务“容易受到滥用和欺诈的影响”,一方面是因为救护车服务必要性和行程计费方式的宽松标准。从2002年到2011年,联邦医疗保险付费的救护车服务次数增加了69%,而在此期间联邦医疗保险的参保病人数量仅增加了7%。去年,有两家救护车公司因虚报联邦医疗保险费用而认罪或进行赔偿。

《平价医疗法案》(Affordable Care Act)要求医疗保险把紧急医疗作为基本医疗服务纳入覆盖范围,包括救护车运送病人。但是救护车服务和医疗护理要分开计费。比如说,许多“银色计划”(Silver plans)——低档次保险计划——要求病人支付250美元的急诊室自付医疗费和250美元的救护车费用。

各种医疗保险计划对救护车服务的保险范围有不同的评估,许多保险计划会设法确定这项服务是否确有必要——是否为真正的“紧急情况”。

这种评估可能非常主观。无论患者的病情如何,如果救护车的目的地是急诊室,有些保险计划会支付这笔费用,不过有些保险计划可能需要入院记录作为紧急情况的证据。行业组织美国医疗保险计划(America’s Health Insurance Plans)女发言人苏珊·皮萨诺(Susan Pisano)说,“保险公司通常会支付这笔费用,前提是你有充分的理由相信,出现了严重威胁到你的生命或健康的情况。”

但是在救护车到达时,虚弱的病人或像米拉斯这样受伤的患者经常觉得自己别无选择,只能登上救护车,却不知道可能支付的费用。

如果救护车是911代为召来,调度员会根据距离远近派出救护车。大多数救护车公司的服务费用都是根据急救团队的技术水平而定,并不是取决于他们收治患者的医疗需求。能够提供高级生命支持的急救团队,费用高于那些只受过基本急救培训的医护人员。

救护车行驶的距离并不重要,不过小额里程费也会计算进来。如果有亲友陪同受伤患者乘坐救护车,有些公司甚至会额外收取数百美元的费用。

今年秋天,家住纽约市的乔安妮·弗里德曼(Joanne Freedman)因剧烈头痛和发烧,来到她家附近的急救中心就诊。医生建议她去医院做进一步诊断,并提出帮她打电话叫救护车。

她回忆说,“我本来可以自己走路,不过我觉得很不舒服,所以我就想,‘好吧,为什么不呢?’”

救护车行驶了两个街区,为她带来了900美元的账单,而她还不知道保险公司要她自付多少费用。

她说,“这简直是疯了。他们只是让我戴了个纸口罩,以免我传染他人。”弗里德曼女士在医院接受了腰椎穿刺,住了几天院。不过,提到这900美元的费用,她说下次无论自己病得多么厉害,都会步行去医院,或者乘坐出租车。

作者ELISABETH ROSENTHAL2014年01月17日。本文最初发表于2013年12月5日。

这点钱不算啥,那三颗牙可是要了亲命了,3万美纸不打折哦,亲
我孩子在美国上学,也有类似经历:
去年夏天时候,孩子在小学操场里摔倒,小臂不能动了,学校护士马上给我们打电话,说孩子骨折了(判断很准),同时另外一个护士打了911,救护车把孩子送到1公里不到的医院急诊室。等我们急匆匆赶到医院,孩子还好,但是小臂明显弯曲变形,我们从下午3点,一直等到晚上2点,总算把孩子的骨折处理完了,期间各种等待,各种表格填写,医院急诊室病人并不多,原因是负责儿科骨科的医生不在。
2周后接到账单,救护车的费用为1357美元,1公里不到哦!!!!!我们有医保,但是还是自负了$150。
这个和天朝的高速路天价扡车比是半斤比八两。
这个和天朝的高速路天价扡车比是半斤比八两。
看到这就不爽了?天朝的高速拖车起码不是多数且国家开始禁止,但是在美帝家里,这种东西不但合法,而且还将长期,合法的存在下去!怎样,更不爽了吧!

体育老师 发表于 2014-1-18 06:49
看到这就不爽了?天朝的高速拖车起码不是多数且国家开始禁止,但是在美帝家里,这种东西不但合法,而且还 ...


没什不爽的,我一搬砖的穷小老百姓只不过希望天朝在习李新政下,这种黑社会式的拖车公司以及黑后台统统被打包扔进垃圾桶!
体育老师 发表于 2014-1-18 06:49
看到这就不爽了?天朝的高速拖车起码不是多数且国家开始禁止,但是在美帝家里,这种东西不但合法,而且还 ...


没什不爽的,我一搬砖的穷小老百姓只不过希望天朝在习李新政下,这种黑社会式的拖车公司以及黑后台统统被打包扔进垃圾桶!
63gjm 发表于 2014-1-18 06:24
我孩子在美国上学,也有类似经历:
去年夏天时候,孩子在小学操场里摔倒,小臂不能动了,学校护士马上给我 ...
报销比例不错啊
Walter.Bishop 发表于 2014-1-18 07:42
报销比例不错啊
还好还好,俺的医保可是每月交400刀的。话说回来,就1 mile,我就交了$150的车费,真心心痛
63gjm 发表于 2014-1-18 07:49
还好还好,俺的医保可是每月交400刀的。话说回来,就1 mile,我就交了$150的车费,真心心痛
有交无患,要是不交,这一千多都要你自己出

我每年看病社保卡里自己的钱都用不完,还不一直交着医保
美国的医保是个恶性循环,美国看病贵,外来移民多大部分不交医疗保险,生病了要不不去看,要不看了不付钱。这部分损失又导致交医保的看病费用增长,我朋友看了个手指伤口感染花了1700美元,自付40美元。来自: Android客户端
我也说个,我以学长夜里感觉头痛,后来痛的不行去医院看了,打了一针,在医院躺了2个小时,账单寄来1500美元。他买了保险,觉得保险公司会cover大部分费用,结果保险公司告诉他,他这么属于“不必要”的医疗,所有费用需要他自己承担。他很生气,难道要等到人疼得“快死了”再去医院才叫“必要的”医疗吗?

该学长不服,于是起诉该保险公司,好律师价格可高了。只能找学校里专门帮学生的便宜律师,那律师怎么说呢,一来水平很一般,二来好像对他这个事也不上心,这一弄,弄了好久也没弄好。现在他毕业了,准备去加州,也不知道他准备怎么了结这个事
每月交的多,医疗收费高,报销比例高,第三产业gdp怎么来的,就这么来的。
保险公司和医院是利益共同体,一个白脸一个红脸。
忽悠鬼 发表于 2014-1-18 06:40
这个和天朝的高速路天价扡车比是半斤比八两。
帮你算一笔账,也许你对这个行业会有所了解。
一台大型拖车(允许上高速的那种)大概在40W左右,允许使用年限是8年
400000/8(年)/12(月)/30(天)=138元/天
一个拖车工人一个月的工资3000元,出车一般要求两个人
3000*2/30(天)=200元/天
保险10000元/360天=277元/天
维护+保养+停车=50元/天
就是说这台拖车一天什么事不做最少要665元。
再说油料,高速施救和普通路面不一样,常要在高速路上折返,一般救援路程相当于被救援路程的1倍以上,,也就是说你的车子离最近的出口要60KM,救援车要跑120KM以上。大型救援车油耗按18L/100KM计算,按柴油7.2元/L,60KM的救援就需要18L/100km*120*7.2=155.5元,高速路费0.5元/KM*120=60元。
如果一天只救援一台车那么成本是665+155.5+60=880.5元
如果加上承包费,加上工人加班费,加上利润呢?
haha2001 发表于 2014-1-18 13:56
帮你算一笔账,也许你对这个行业会有所了解。
一台大型拖车(允许上高速的那种)大概在40W左右,允许使 ...
很多人没算帐、要是算救护车的成本,那……
忽悠鬼 发表于 2014-1-18 06:40
这个和天朝的高速路天价扡车比是半斤比八两。
洗的不错加5美分
怎么没见美国屁民捅医生的?
haha2001 发表于 2014-1-18 13:56
帮你算一笔账,也许你对这个行业会有所了解。
一台大型拖车(允许上高速的那种)大概在40W左右,允许使 ...
算的不错!那么拖车费用保险公司管吗?
我孩子在美国上学,也有类似经历:  去年夏天时候,孩子在小学操场里摔倒,小臂不能动了,学校护士马上给我 ...
霉粉会说你赚得多…
dlpllc 发表于 2014-1-18 05:11
这点钱不算啥,那三颗牙可是要了亲命了,3万美纸不打折哦,亲
补牙贵死了。。。国内也是,3个烤瓷牙,几大千啊。。。
洗的不错加5美分

我账号:工行 6222370031390989把你说的5美分打这账号,不谢!
忽悠鬼 发表于 2014-1-18 18:02
我账号:工行 6222370031390989把你说的5美分打这账号,不谢!
账户名哦 亲
账户名哦 亲
ATM直接转就好了,亲!
忽悠鬼 发表于 2014-1-18 18:29
ATM直接转就好了,亲!
亲 从哪转都需要账户和账户名一致的
你转过款吗?我每月全转几次!不用名字的,另外这钱有意给你就转别磨几。如果你觉得我这不值5美分就就说出来哪不值,我好改,您看成吗。
算的不错!那么拖车费用保险公司管吗?
事故情况下,高速救援到指定停车场费用全报,当然你要买车损险

haha2001 发表于 2014-1-18 13:56
帮你算一笔账,也许你对这个行业会有所了解。
一台大型拖车(允许上高速的那种)大概在40W左右,允许使 ...


在BTV看到的,帝都天子脚下,—起高速追尾,新货车值五万,拖车公司要三万五,车主急哭了找当时出警的交警,交警说市场定价我也没辙!找记者—起去扡车公司,扡车公司—点不怕,还数落这司机—顿,并说少一分全不成。借此点忠告各位有车的CD网友遇上这种事一定找自己保险公司,千万别听交警的(除非你能在体制内解决)如交警告诉你十分钟不清走强制清除,扡车公司来后你-定要问好扡车价格是每米还是每公里。(看到这你别笑)并签好合同单,最好录像。电视里那个司机就因为问的含含糊糊最后没人承认!最后文打关司武动手你那样全不成,关键是车还在人家停车场享受着高价停车费呢。
haha2001 发表于 2014-1-18 13:56
帮你算一笔账,也许你对这个行业会有所了解。
一台大型拖车(允许上高速的那种)大概在40W左右,允许使 ...


在BTV看到的,帝都天子脚下,—起高速追尾,新货车值五万,拖车公司要三万五,车主急哭了找当时出警的交警,交警说市场定价我也没辙!找记者—起去扡车公司,扡车公司—点不怕,还数落这司机—顿,并说少一分全不成。借此点忠告各位有车的CD网友遇上这种事一定找自己保险公司,千万别听交警的(除非你能在体制内解决)如交警告诉你十分钟不清走强制清除,扡车公司来后你-定要问好扡车价格是每米还是每公里。(看到这你别笑)并签好合同单,最好录像。电视里那个司机就因为问的含含糊糊最后没人承认!最后文打关司武动手你那样全不成,关键是车还在人家停车场享受着高价停车费呢。
haha2001 发表于 2014-1-18 13:56
帮你算一笔账,也许你对这个行业会有所了解。
一台大型拖车(允许上高速的那种)大概在40W左右,允许使 ...
10000/360=277???????
亲 从哪转都需要账户和账户名一致的
你连转账都不会?
央广网北京12月3日消息 据中国之声央广夜新闻报道,一边是医院 说急救车收费标准十多年没变、入不敷出,一边是急救车被骂“趁病打 劫”屡生争议。120急救车到底有没有明确的收费标准?面对跨区议价的 行规,患者是否有议价能力?一起来说说急救车的收费标准。

这两天,沈阳患者申请120急救,9公里路程被收1670元的消息引 起了大家的关注。

事情的经过是这样的。11月26日晚,马先生的奶奶突发脑血栓,出 现了呼吸困难、抽搐等状况。家人随即拨打了沈阳120急救中心的电话 ,将马先生的奶奶从沈阳市和平区胜利街新加坡城到苏家屯血栓医院。 从家里到医院仅9公里路程,急救过程竟有18项收费,费用高达1670元 。12月1日上午,马先生在微博上贴出了沈阳120急救中心的收费单, 引发大量转发和评论。

中国之声报道了该事件后不久,沈阳市120急救中心和平分中心承 认多收费,向患者家属退换了车费和全程监护费,并对相关责任人予以 处罚。

患者家属马先生出具的收据上可以看到,1670元的急救费中,一共 包含了18项收费,其中最大一项收费来自心电图,594元。另外超过10 0元的收费分别为全程监护费和救护车收费,各255元。

患者家属马爷爷:我看了看,这怎么要这么多钱啊!心电图就这一 项就594!

随后记者采访了救护车所在单位,沈阳市120急救中心和平分中心
帮你算一笔账,也许你对这个行业会有所了解。
一台大型拖车(允许上高速的那种)大概在40W左右,允许使 ...
实话说你这明细单里漏了最大的一项那就是给黑后台的返利,这也是大家拥护习李新政的动力!
另补充扡车公司吊车吊上吊下全是单花钱的。如果你没保险那么第一时间叫亲朋打辆货车和吊车来。自己找吊车有2000足以,要是扡车公司没有万八千是不行的!
sarsbeside 发表于 2014-1-18 15:34
算的不错!那么拖车费用保险公司管吗?
上次在高速单方事故,从拖到修,保险全包了。
另补充扡车公司吊车吊上吊下全是单花钱的。如果你没保险那么第一时间叫亲朋打辆货车和吊车来。自己找吊车有 ...
天堂里面没有潜规则。这个世界虽然不那么干净,最少也不是全黑。
一个吊车台班费2000打底很正常,至于你说上万的吊车费,有,要么是商用货车要么是一些比较难处理的情况。试想大多数开了几年的私家车,车的价值还剩少,如果吊起来要1万还不如直接报废,由金回公司自己吊起来更划算。救援公司都不傻,小帐大账都会算。

haha2001 发表于 2014-1-18 21:09
天堂里面没有潜规则。这个世界虽然不那么干净,最少也不是全黑。
一个吊车台班费2000打底很正常,至于你 ...

天堂里面没有潜规则,火化厂有潜规则!
帝都车可以不要,可牌照怎么办,另上次在BTV看到的是外地过境的货车,这里也可能有欺负外地人的可能,但你真否定不了这种黑社式的公司存在!另给大家个忠告,给车上保险—定在在大品牌保险公司上出了事故全国各地有救援,小品牌吗,只能拼人品了,离事故地点近还好,要是远只能呵呵了。
haha2001 发表于 2014-1-18 21:09
天堂里面没有潜规则。这个世界虽然不那么干净,最少也不是全黑。
一个吊车台班费2000打底很正常,至于你 ...

天堂里面没有潜规则,火化厂有潜规则!
帝都车可以不要,可牌照怎么办,另上次在BTV看到的是外地过境的货车,这里也可能有欺负外地人的可能,但你真否定不了这种黑社式的公司存在!另给大家个忠告,给车上保险—定在在大品牌保险公司上出了事故全国各地有救援,小品牌吗,只能拼人品了,离事故地点近还好,要是远只能呵呵了。
enterpriseteam 发表于 2014-1-18 15:30
怎么没见美国屁民捅医生的?
美国医院可是有带枪的保安的,国内这种医闹根本就是被击毙一个下场。
haha2001 发表于 2014-1-18 13:56
帮你算一笔账,也许你对这个行业会有所了解。
一台大型拖车(允许上高速的那种)大概在40W左右,允许使 ...
你再算算10000保险除以360等于多少?
你再算算10000保险除以360等于多少?
27.7元。谢谢提醒
我来告诉大家北京120的收费标准,出诊费40,每公里3.5,都是按照来回路程收,就是7元。如果有遇到需要输液打针的收50元治疗费,如果遇到抢救心肺复苏的,每30分钟收费45。氧气3.5,呼吸机忘记了。抢救药品和耗材单收,但是都不贵。基本差不多了,09年9月到10年2月我在北京120支援。对了,有些车子配有担架工,好像是100。不记得了。
还有心电图一次是20,心电监护好像是一小时5元