超级军网格林瓦尔德透露，斯诺登手里有整个NSA技术构造的蓝图！ ...
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“祾镜哥”斯诺登的“御用记者”格兰恩·格林瓦尔德对媒体说，斯诺登手里有整个NSA技术构造的蓝图。谁得到了这些蓝图，第一就可以知道如何防御和反击NSA的攻击，第二也可以山寨一个自己的NSA。格林瓦尔德进一步说，斯诺登把这些资料藏在了世界各地，如果他被害，这些资料就会按照预定的方法曝光，具体细节保密。格林瓦尔德估计，如果斯诺登愿意，他可以在一分钟内对米帝造成前所未有损害，但斯诺登不愿意这么干。
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以前当过律师的国际著名调研记者格兰恩·格林瓦尔德多年来以揭露NSA的黑幕为己任，现为英国《卫报》特约专栏作者，目前被米帝情报机构用各种违反新闻自由法的手段严格监视。图为他在香港接受记者采访：
“祾镜哥”斯诺登的“御用记者”格兰恩·格林瓦尔德对媒体说，斯诺登手里有整个NSA技术构造的蓝图。谁得到了这些蓝图，第一就可以知道如何防御和反击NSA的攻击，第二也可以山寨一个自己的NSA。格林瓦尔德进一步说，斯诺登把这些资料藏在了世界各地，如果他被害，这些资料就会按照预定的方法曝光，具体细节保密。格林瓦尔德估计，如果斯诺登愿意，他可以在一分钟内对米帝造成前所未有损害，但斯诺登不愿意这么干。
http://abcnews.go.com/Internatio ... 665239#.UeUNLW22qbM
以前当过律师的国际著名调研记者格兰恩·格林瓦尔德多年来以揭露NSA的黑幕为己任，现为英国《卫报》特约专栏作者，目前被米帝情报机构用各种违反新闻自由法的手段严格监视。图为他在香港接受记者采访：
这篇报道可能会有两个作用
1、给雪灯一个保命符
2、给雪灯一个催命符
我嚼着更像吸引点击率的论坛帖子
1、给雪灯一个保命符
2、给雪灯一个催命符
我嚼着更像吸引点击率的论坛帖子
freemailman 发表于 2013-7-16 17:31
这篇报道可能会有两个作用
1、给雪灯一个保命符
是提醒米帝不要动歪脑筋。
这篇报道可能会有两个作用
1、给雪灯一个保命符
是提醒米帝不要动歪脑筋。
freemailman 发表于 2013-7-16 17:31
这篇报道可能会有两个作用
1、给雪灯一个保命符
是提醒米帝不要动歪脑筋。
这篇报道可能会有两个作用
1、给雪灯一个保命符
是提醒米帝不要动歪脑筋。
要这样的话，他早死了。美帝不要脸，玩自爆也玩死他了。
这个什么记者能活到现在也是奇迹啊。。。。
按照美国柜子的手段应该早就KILL掉啊。。。
按照美国柜子的手段应该早就KILL掉啊。。。
Journalist: Snowden Has 'Blueprints' to NSA
By JENNY BARCHFIELD Associated Press
RIO DE JANEIRO July 15, 2013 (AP)
Edward Snowden has highly sensitive documents on how the National Security Agency is structured and operates that could harm the U.S. government, but has insisted that they not be made public, a journalist close to the NSA leaker said.
Glenn Greenwald, a columnist with The Guardian newspaper who first reported on the intelligence leaks, told The Associated Press that disclosure of the information in the documents "would allow somebody who read them to know exactly how the NSA does what it does, which would in turn allow them to evade that surveillance or replicate it."
He said the "literally thousands of documents" taken by Snowden constitute "basically the instruction manual for how the NSA is built."
"In order to take documents with him that proved that what he was saying was true he had to take ones that included very sensitive, detailed blueprints of how the NSA does what they do," the journalist said Sunday in a Rio de Janeiro hotel room. He said the interview was taking place about four hours after his last interaction with Snowden.
Greenwald said he believes the disclosure of the information in the documents would not prove harmful to Americans or their national security, but that Snowden has insisted they not be made public.
"I think it would be harmful to the U.S. government, as they perceive their own interests, if the details of those programs were revealed," he said.
He has previously said the documents have been encrypted to help ensure their safekeeping.
Snowden emerged from weeks of hiding in a Moscow airport Friday, and said he was willing to meet President Vladimir Putin's condition that he stop leaking U.S. secrets if it means Russia would give him asylum until he can move on to Latin America.
Greenwald told The AP that he deliberately avoids talking to Snowden about issues related to where the former analyst might seek asylum in order to avoid possible legal problems for himself.
Snowden is believed to be stuck in the transit area of Moscow's main international airport, where he arrived from Hong Kong on June 23. He's had offers of asylum from Venezuela, Nicaragua and Bolivia, but because his U.S. passport has been revoked, the logistics of reaching whichever country he chooses are complicated.
Still, Greenwald said that Snowden remains "calm and tranquil," despite his predicament.
"I haven't sensed an iota of remorse or regret or anxiety over the situation that he's in," said Greenwald, who has lived in Brazil for the past eight years. "He's of course tense and focused on his security and his short-term well-being to the best extent that he can, but he's very resigned to the fact that things might go terribly wrong and he's at peace with that."
Greenwald said he worried that interest in Snowden's personal saga had detracted from the impact of his revelations, adding that Snowden deliberately turned down nearly all requests for interviews to avoid the media spotlight.
Asked whether Snowden seemed worried about his personal safety, Greenwald responded, "he's concerned."
He said the U.S. has shown it's "willing to take even the most extreme steps if they think doing so is necessary to neutralize a national security threat," Greenwald said. "He's aware of all those things, he's concerned about them but he's not going to be in any way paralyzed or constrained in what he thinks he can do as a result of that."
Asked about a so-called dead man's pact, which Greenwald has said would allow several people to access Snowden's trove of documents were anything to happen to him, Greenwald replied that "media descriptions of it have been overly simplistic.
"It's not just a matter of, if he dies, things get released, it's more nuanced than that," he said. "It's really just a way to protect himself against extremely rogue behavior on the part of the United States, by which I mean violent actions toward him, designed to end his life, and it's just a way to ensure that nobody feels incentivized to do that."
He declined to provide any more details about the pact or how it would work.
Greenwald said he himself has beefed up his own security, particularly since a laptop went missing from his Rio home.
"I don't really feel comfortable discussing the specific measures, but one would be really irrational and foolish to have thousands of top-secret documents from the most secretive agency of the world's most powerful government and not be thoughtful about added security," said the 46-year-old former constitutional and civil rights lawyer who has written three books contending the government has violated personal rights in the name of protecting national security.
Greenwald has also co-authored a series of articles in Rio de Janeiro's O Globo newspaper focusing on NSA actions in Latin America. He said he expected to continue publishing further stories based on other Snowden documents over the next four months.
Upcoming stories would likely include details on "other domestic spying programs that have yet to be revealed," but which are similar in scope to those he has been reporting on. He did not provide further details on the nature of those programs.
It was not immediately clear whether Russia would take Snowden up on his latest request for asylum, which could further test U.S.-Russia relations.
Following Friday's meeting between Snowden and human rights activists, U.S. officials criticized Russia for allowing a "propaganda platform" for the NSA leader.
White House spokesman Jay Carney said Russia should instead send Snowden back to the U.S. to face the felony charges that are pending against him.
Carney said Snowden is not a human rights activist or a dissident. "He is accused of leaking classified information, has been charged with three felony counts and should be returned to the United States," the spokesman said.
By JENNY BARCHFIELD Associated Press
RIO DE JANEIRO July 15, 2013 (AP)
Edward Snowden has highly sensitive documents on how the National Security Agency is structured and operates that could harm the U.S. government, but has insisted that they not be made public, a journalist close to the NSA leaker said.
Glenn Greenwald, a columnist with The Guardian newspaper who first reported on the intelligence leaks, told The Associated Press that disclosure of the information in the documents "would allow somebody who read them to know exactly how the NSA does what it does, which would in turn allow them to evade that surveillance or replicate it."
He said the "literally thousands of documents" taken by Snowden constitute "basically the instruction manual for how the NSA is built."
"In order to take documents with him that proved that what he was saying was true he had to take ones that included very sensitive, detailed blueprints of how the NSA does what they do," the journalist said Sunday in a Rio de Janeiro hotel room. He said the interview was taking place about four hours after his last interaction with Snowden.
Greenwald said he believes the disclosure of the information in the documents would not prove harmful to Americans or their national security, but that Snowden has insisted they not be made public.
"I think it would be harmful to the U.S. government, as they perceive their own interests, if the details of those programs were revealed," he said.
He has previously said the documents have been encrypted to help ensure their safekeeping.
Snowden emerged from weeks of hiding in a Moscow airport Friday, and said he was willing to meet President Vladimir Putin's condition that he stop leaking U.S. secrets if it means Russia would give him asylum until he can move on to Latin America.
Greenwald told The AP that he deliberately avoids talking to Snowden about issues related to where the former analyst might seek asylum in order to avoid possible legal problems for himself.
Snowden is believed to be stuck in the transit area of Moscow's main international airport, where he arrived from Hong Kong on June 23. He's had offers of asylum from Venezuela, Nicaragua and Bolivia, but because his U.S. passport has been revoked, the logistics of reaching whichever country he chooses are complicated.
Still, Greenwald said that Snowden remains "calm and tranquil," despite his predicament.
"I haven't sensed an iota of remorse or regret or anxiety over the situation that he's in," said Greenwald, who has lived in Brazil for the past eight years. "He's of course tense and focused on his security and his short-term well-being to the best extent that he can, but he's very resigned to the fact that things might go terribly wrong and he's at peace with that."
Greenwald said he worried that interest in Snowden's personal saga had detracted from the impact of his revelations, adding that Snowden deliberately turned down nearly all requests for interviews to avoid the media spotlight.
Asked whether Snowden seemed worried about his personal safety, Greenwald responded, "he's concerned."
He said the U.S. has shown it's "willing to take even the most extreme steps if they think doing so is necessary to neutralize a national security threat," Greenwald said. "He's aware of all those things, he's concerned about them but he's not going to be in any way paralyzed or constrained in what he thinks he can do as a result of that."
Asked about a so-called dead man's pact, which Greenwald has said would allow several people to access Snowden's trove of documents were anything to happen to him, Greenwald replied that "media descriptions of it have been overly simplistic.
"It's not just a matter of, if he dies, things get released, it's more nuanced than that," he said. "It's really just a way to protect himself against extremely rogue behavior on the part of the United States, by which I mean violent actions toward him, designed to end his life, and it's just a way to ensure that nobody feels incentivized to do that."
He declined to provide any more details about the pact or how it would work.
Greenwald said he himself has beefed up his own security, particularly since a laptop went missing from his Rio home.
"I don't really feel comfortable discussing the specific measures, but one would be really irrational and foolish to have thousands of top-secret documents from the most secretive agency of the world's most powerful government and not be thoughtful about added security," said the 46-year-old former constitutional and civil rights lawyer who has written three books contending the government has violated personal rights in the name of protecting national security.
Greenwald has also co-authored a series of articles in Rio de Janeiro's O Globo newspaper focusing on NSA actions in Latin America. He said he expected to continue publishing further stories based on other Snowden documents over the next four months.
Upcoming stories would likely include details on "other domestic spying programs that have yet to be revealed," but which are similar in scope to those he has been reporting on. He did not provide further details on the nature of those programs.
It was not immediately clear whether Russia would take Snowden up on his latest request for asylum, which could further test U.S.-Russia relations.
Following Friday's meeting between Snowden and human rights activists, U.S. officials criticized Russia for allowing a "propaganda platform" for the NSA leader.
White House spokesman Jay Carney said Russia should instead send Snowden back to the U.S. to face the felony charges that are pending against him.
Carney said Snowden is not a human rights activist or a dissident. "He is accused of leaking classified information, has been charged with three felony counts and should be returned to the United States," the spokesman said.
NSA信不信都好，整套系统都要改了。
斯诺登在香港俄罗斯这么久，有啥秘密都可能被中俄特工搞出来了。
斯诺登在香港俄罗斯这么久，有啥秘密都可能被中俄特工搞出来了。
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race_to_the_bottom • a day ago
Blueprints?
More like plans for a criminal conspiracy against the people of the world! They ought to publish all of them now. Expose the criminals who threaten the wellbeing of the people of the world.
Go Ed!!
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NateS • a day ago
Yes, this confirms that Snowden is a traitor!
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race_to_the_bottom NateS • a day ago
Yeah, right, let's hear from all the armchair patriots who never did a thing to advance humanity. This man has more patriotism in his little finger than you and all your fellow "patriots" put together, including all the criminals in the Congress, the NSA Mafia, and the slimeballs who run this and previous administrations.
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Kenneth Moyer race_to_the_bottom • a day ago
He is a traitor and I am not some armchair patriot. There are other ways for him to bring this into the public spotlight without providing our enemies with sensitive information.
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Luke Kenneth Moyer • 21 hours ago
Really? What would some of those other ways be??? This 'traitor' as you label him risks everything to expose a cancer in our supposed 'Democracy' and for what? Do you think he's doing this for the money? The real traitors are those of us who have been standing silent while our government has been steadily eroding those 'rights' that so many have fought and died to protect. Our Founders would be dismayed at the sheep that we 'The People' have become. We have allowed the Federal Government unprecedented power over what we laughingly call "Liberties". Think Patriot Act. 'They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.' Ben Franklin
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Kenneth Moyer Luke • 20 hours ago
Look up the definition for "Traitor," as it applies to him. Historically, if you look at whether or not traitors betray their country for money, they generally do not do it for the money. Snowden had a position of trust within the intelligence field that he would not divulge sensitive information to our enemies. Flying to China (enemy) to make this information public fits the definition of traitor.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Kenneth Moyer • 10 hours ago
That's a bunch of baloney. He did not provide any sensitive information to China other than the information he made public, which is the fact that the US government is conducting unconstitutional (ILLEGAL) surveillance on its own citizens. You should look up the Fourth Amendment. It is crystal clear what it says. And what the NSA is doing is illegal. Snowden is risking his very life to make this information known to the American people, and he is going where he has to in order to evade capture by the lawbreakers who would paint him as the enemy of the American people, when they are the ones who most closely fit that description right now based on their complete disregard for the rule of law.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Kenneth Moyer • 11 hours ago
He isn't providing our enemies with sensitive information. That's a bunch of hogwash.
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dpercd race_to_the_bottom • 21 hours ago
@ Race to the bottom. Your defense of Snowden is laughable. I had some sympathy for him and was willing to give him the benefit of dought. However, he is trying to blackmail America with giving away more secrets that are detrimental to the U.S. and our allies. How can you support a person that commits this type of crime. It's completely irrsponsible.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution NateS • 11 hours ago
A traitor to whom? A traitor to the Federal government that has created illegal spying programs that are in clear undeniable violation of the Fourth Amendment of our Constitution? Or to the American people whose rights that government is supposed to be protecting but is instead illegally trashing in their ever growing thirst for absolute power? There are traitors in this story for sure, and plenty of them--but the guy exposing them isn't one of them. By the way, he went to his superiors twice about his concerns about the fact that what they were doing is highly illegal, and they did nothing. He tried to go through proper channels first. And now the US government is ignoring whistleblower laws that should protect Snowden from prosecution, since the activities he exposed are illegal.
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NateS StopShreddingMyConstitution • 11 hours ago
-" He tried to go through proper channels first."-
Would you providing your evidence for this allegation?
Thanks.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution NateS • 10 hours ago
I posted a reply but it's being "held for moderation" because it contains a link. Probably won't get approved so I'll repeat most of what I said, without the link.
I was wrong--I must've read that in a blog post somewhere or something, because now I can't find it in any news story. So my apologies. I retract that. Apparently he didn't.
However, that still does not change anything else I said. Snowden is not the traitor, regardless of whether he attempted to go through proper channels first or not, and if he didn't, he must've had very good reason not to.
Google this: 3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower
You'll find a news story from a major national news outlet that explains what happened to NSA employees in the past who tried to go through proper channels when expressing their concerns over the unconstitutional (ILLEGAL) overreach of these NSA programs to spy on American citizens.
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Albert Dodson • 20 hours ago
He's most likely using the information as a bargaining chip so that the US gov doesn't just drone strike him without a fair trial. Which they have done before. I trust Snowden more than my corrupt government. Without people like him who have the balls to step up for our civil liberties, things will only get worse.
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benfivel • a day ago
Isn't this called spying. What is the punishment for spies?
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craigvan • a day ago
This is pretty stupid of Greenwald, to say "Snowden has the power to cause more damage to the US than anyone in the history of the world."
He's pretty much goading the White House to capture him, and charge him with more serous offenses.
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Jose DelMadre craigvan • a day ago
Snowden only has the power to distribute this to more individuals than he already has. Make no mistake, China already has everything. What do you think he did to stop them from taking it when he went missing for the day or two days in Hong Kong. You think he went all James Bond on them and karate chopped them? China has all of it. Russia has all of it. Whoever he was meeting in Hong Kong when he sold out his country has all of it. Don't make the assumption he went to Hong Kong for China. He went to meet up with whoever helped him get the job and whoever he met in school while in Asia.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Jose DelMadre • 10 hours ago
You can't be serious. The information Snowden has is no danger to US citizens if China or Russia gets their hands on it anyway. If China actually wanted to harm US citizens all they would have to do is put something harmful in the billions of dollars worth of their goods we all purchase every year. They don't need some computer whiz for that. Got news for you: YOU're the one the NSA is spying on. You and everyone else reading this. We are the people targeted by the programs Snowden worked on. You're telling everyone "don't make the assumption" when your entire post is one big assumption. It's really ridiculous.
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tom • 21 hours ago
And now the Chinese and Russians, who have copied his hard drives with or without his knowledge, do too. This amounts to treason under any definition. Edward Snowden must be apprehended, tried, convicted and imprisoned.
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Too Many • a day ago
What's to prevent another country, say China, to act in a violent fashion towards Snowden, and make it look like it was a hit ordered by the US? Wouldn't that trigger the release of information, and China and whoever else that wanted to see the classified info be the ultimate winners in the game?
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Bill • a day ago
Snowden is determined to destroy the United States of America.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Bill • 10 hours ago
If that was truly his goal, don't you think he could've done a lot more damage from the inside, by remaining exactly where he was? I think it's much more likely he is determined to wake up the American people to how far their government has gone to emulate the totalitarian regime envisioned by George Orwell in his classic "1984." That book, by the way, was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction book.
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Robert_Holt • 21 hours ago
Both Mr. Snowden and Mr. Manning are in their twenties. Perhaps in the future no one should be allowed access to sensitive, classified material until they're a little older.
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Chopchop2012 • 19 hours ago
Obviously Snowden is blackmailing US Government. It's worst nightmare than threatening with Nuclear bomb on US. Revelation of NSA's blueprint will be endangering to US security and lives of US citizen.
The question is how much Wikileak has received leak information from Snowden so far.
The Wikileak woman is more interesting in milking leak information from him than helping him.
Wikileak is 21st century terrorist group.
Terrorist does not need to be equipping with weapons but anyone who can do harmful as much as what MDW can do to society and state should be also recognizing as terrorist act.
There's no question about Snowden worry about his welfare and safety of his life. He is the one who creating his own
Karma.
I believe his father should go to Moscow Airport and see him. It can change direction and can be happened anything one way or another. They should act before too late.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Chopchop2012 • 10 hours ago
Snowden already offered to come back to the US several days ago. His father named the terms: No gag order, and no jail -- he would be out on bail awaiting his trial. But the US government is too chicken to grant him those terms, because they just want to shut him up, and until they get him to shut up, they just want to paint him as a villain. He is not the one who is chicken, and he isn't the one who is doing something wrong. If he was, then the US should've jumped at the chance to bring him back to stand trial.
And Wikileaks is not a "terrorist group." The information they exposed regarding the Iraq War (the Bradley Manning documents) did not aid the enemy in any way. What they did was expose the US government's disregard for innocent lives and total disregard for the rule of law.
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Tim Jordan • 14 hours ago
Snowden says that if anyone reads his blueprints, they can reproduce the NSA Prism program. I also read that ever since Windows 95 there has been a secret backdoor put into every Microsoft application. Anyone with the keys to every Microsoft application in the world can create their own Prism program. If Snowden releases those keys it will lead to chaos as all computers in the world running Microsoft Windows will have to be shut down. That will be chaos to the Nth degree.
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Thor Fribbel • 18 hours ago
A legend in his own mind. Maybe he knows when there is another solar eclipse so he can threaten to blot out the sun. The Russians know all this stuff already.
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40acre • 18 hours ago
So he is holding them for what reason now? Why not delete them if he knows they can harm our country and doesn't want them released? He is either using them as a threat against our government (blackmail) or dangling them as a lure for asylum.
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John Ramos • a day ago
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While collectivism & altruism are often considered synonymous, it is egoism that opposes altruism & individualism that opposes collectivism.
race_to_the_bottom • a day ago
Blueprints?
More like plans for a criminal conspiracy against the people of the world! They ought to publish all of them now. Expose the criminals who threaten the wellbeing of the people of the world.
Go Ed!!
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NateS • a day ago
Yes, this confirms that Snowden is a traitor!
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race_to_the_bottom NateS • a day ago
Yeah, right, let's hear from all the armchair patriots who never did a thing to advance humanity. This man has more patriotism in his little finger than you and all your fellow "patriots" put together, including all the criminals in the Congress, the NSA Mafia, and the slimeballs who run this and previous administrations.
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Kenneth Moyer race_to_the_bottom • a day ago
He is a traitor and I am not some armchair patriot. There are other ways for him to bring this into the public spotlight without providing our enemies with sensitive information.
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Luke Kenneth Moyer • 21 hours ago
Really? What would some of those other ways be??? This 'traitor' as you label him risks everything to expose a cancer in our supposed 'Democracy' and for what? Do you think he's doing this for the money? The real traitors are those of us who have been standing silent while our government has been steadily eroding those 'rights' that so many have fought and died to protect. Our Founders would be dismayed at the sheep that we 'The People' have become. We have allowed the Federal Government unprecedented power over what we laughingly call "Liberties". Think Patriot Act. 'They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.' Ben Franklin
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Kenneth Moyer Luke • 20 hours ago
Look up the definition for "Traitor," as it applies to him. Historically, if you look at whether or not traitors betray their country for money, they generally do not do it for the money. Snowden had a position of trust within the intelligence field that he would not divulge sensitive information to our enemies. Flying to China (enemy) to make this information public fits the definition of traitor.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Kenneth Moyer • 10 hours ago
That's a bunch of baloney. He did not provide any sensitive information to China other than the information he made public, which is the fact that the US government is conducting unconstitutional (ILLEGAL) surveillance on its own citizens. You should look up the Fourth Amendment. It is crystal clear what it says. And what the NSA is doing is illegal. Snowden is risking his very life to make this information known to the American people, and he is going where he has to in order to evade capture by the lawbreakers who would paint him as the enemy of the American people, when they are the ones who most closely fit that description right now based on their complete disregard for the rule of law.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Kenneth Moyer • 11 hours ago
He isn't providing our enemies with sensitive information. That's a bunch of hogwash.
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dpercd race_to_the_bottom • 21 hours ago
@ Race to the bottom. Your defense of Snowden is laughable. I had some sympathy for him and was willing to give him the benefit of dought. However, he is trying to blackmail America with giving away more secrets that are detrimental to the U.S. and our allies. How can you support a person that commits this type of crime. It's completely irrsponsible.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution NateS • 11 hours ago
A traitor to whom? A traitor to the Federal government that has created illegal spying programs that are in clear undeniable violation of the Fourth Amendment of our Constitution? Or to the American people whose rights that government is supposed to be protecting but is instead illegally trashing in their ever growing thirst for absolute power? There are traitors in this story for sure, and plenty of them--but the guy exposing them isn't one of them. By the way, he went to his superiors twice about his concerns about the fact that what they were doing is highly illegal, and they did nothing. He tried to go through proper channels first. And now the US government is ignoring whistleblower laws that should protect Snowden from prosecution, since the activities he exposed are illegal.
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NateS StopShreddingMyConstitution • 11 hours ago
-" He tried to go through proper channels first."-
Would you providing your evidence for this allegation?
Thanks.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution NateS • 10 hours ago
I posted a reply but it's being "held for moderation" because it contains a link. Probably won't get approved so I'll repeat most of what I said, without the link.
I was wrong--I must've read that in a blog post somewhere or something, because now I can't find it in any news story. So my apologies. I retract that. Apparently he didn't.
However, that still does not change anything else I said. Snowden is not the traitor, regardless of whether he attempted to go through proper channels first or not, and if he didn't, he must've had very good reason not to.
Google this: 3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower
You'll find a news story from a major national news outlet that explains what happened to NSA employees in the past who tried to go through proper channels when expressing their concerns over the unconstitutional (ILLEGAL) overreach of these NSA programs to spy on American citizens.
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Albert Dodson • 20 hours ago
He's most likely using the information as a bargaining chip so that the US gov doesn't just drone strike him without a fair trial. Which they have done before. I trust Snowden more than my corrupt government. Without people like him who have the balls to step up for our civil liberties, things will only get worse.
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benfivel • a day ago
Isn't this called spying. What is the punishment for spies?
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craigvan • a day ago
This is pretty stupid of Greenwald, to say "Snowden has the power to cause more damage to the US than anyone in the history of the world."
He's pretty much goading the White House to capture him, and charge him with more serous offenses.
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Jose DelMadre craigvan • a day ago
Snowden only has the power to distribute this to more individuals than he already has. Make no mistake, China already has everything. What do you think he did to stop them from taking it when he went missing for the day or two days in Hong Kong. You think he went all James Bond on them and karate chopped them? China has all of it. Russia has all of it. Whoever he was meeting in Hong Kong when he sold out his country has all of it. Don't make the assumption he went to Hong Kong for China. He went to meet up with whoever helped him get the job and whoever he met in school while in Asia.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Jose DelMadre • 10 hours ago
You can't be serious. The information Snowden has is no danger to US citizens if China or Russia gets their hands on it anyway. If China actually wanted to harm US citizens all they would have to do is put something harmful in the billions of dollars worth of their goods we all purchase every year. They don't need some computer whiz for that. Got news for you: YOU're the one the NSA is spying on. You and everyone else reading this. We are the people targeted by the programs Snowden worked on. You're telling everyone "don't make the assumption" when your entire post is one big assumption. It's really ridiculous.
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tom • 21 hours ago
And now the Chinese and Russians, who have copied his hard drives with or without his knowledge, do too. This amounts to treason under any definition. Edward Snowden must be apprehended, tried, convicted and imprisoned.
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Too Many • a day ago
What's to prevent another country, say China, to act in a violent fashion towards Snowden, and make it look like it was a hit ordered by the US? Wouldn't that trigger the release of information, and China and whoever else that wanted to see the classified info be the ultimate winners in the game?
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Bill • a day ago
Snowden is determined to destroy the United States of America.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Bill • 10 hours ago
If that was truly his goal, don't you think he could've done a lot more damage from the inside, by remaining exactly where he was? I think it's much more likely he is determined to wake up the American people to how far their government has gone to emulate the totalitarian regime envisioned by George Orwell in his classic "1984." That book, by the way, was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction book.
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Robert_Holt • 21 hours ago
Both Mr. Snowden and Mr. Manning are in their twenties. Perhaps in the future no one should be allowed access to sensitive, classified material until they're a little older.
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Chopchop2012 • 19 hours ago
Obviously Snowden is blackmailing US Government. It's worst nightmare than threatening with Nuclear bomb on US. Revelation of NSA's blueprint will be endangering to US security and lives of US citizen.
The question is how much Wikileak has received leak information from Snowden so far.
The Wikileak woman is more interesting in milking leak information from him than helping him.
Wikileak is 21st century terrorist group.
Terrorist does not need to be equipping with weapons but anyone who can do harmful as much as what MDW can do to society and state should be also recognizing as terrorist act.
There's no question about Snowden worry about his welfare and safety of his life. He is the one who creating his own
Karma.
I believe his father should go to Moscow Airport and see him. It can change direction and can be happened anything one way or another. They should act before too late.
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StopShreddingMyConstitution Chopchop2012 • 10 hours ago
Snowden already offered to come back to the US several days ago. His father named the terms: No gag order, and no jail -- he would be out on bail awaiting his trial. But the US government is too chicken to grant him those terms, because they just want to shut him up, and until they get him to shut up, they just want to paint him as a villain. He is not the one who is chicken, and he isn't the one who is doing something wrong. If he was, then the US should've jumped at the chance to bring him back to stand trial.
And Wikileaks is not a "terrorist group." The information they exposed regarding the Iraq War (the Bradley Manning documents) did not aid the enemy in any way. What they did was expose the US government's disregard for innocent lives and total disregard for the rule of law.
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Tim Jordan • 14 hours ago
Snowden says that if anyone reads his blueprints, they can reproduce the NSA Prism program. I also read that ever since Windows 95 there has been a secret backdoor put into every Microsoft application. Anyone with the keys to every Microsoft application in the world can create their own Prism program. If Snowden releases those keys it will lead to chaos as all computers in the world running Microsoft Windows will have to be shut down. That will be chaos to the Nth degree.
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Thor Fribbel • 18 hours ago
A legend in his own mind. Maybe he knows when there is another solar eclipse so he can threaten to blot out the sun. The Russians know all this stuff already.
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40acre • 18 hours ago
So he is holding them for what reason now? Why not delete them if he knows they can harm our country and doesn't want them released? He is either using them as a threat against our government (blackmail) or dangling them as a lure for asylum.
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John Ramos • a day ago
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While collectivism & altruism are often considered synonymous, it is egoism that opposes altruism & individualism that opposes collectivism.
我在隔壁帖子里分析过雪登手里应该有有这些料，果其不然几天后就要报道了。
那些说要打脸的喷子站出来啊！
那些说要打脸的喷子站出来啊！
眼拙，谁能告诉我第一幅图墙上的照片是谁的背景图？
带保质期密码的泄密程序而已。登哥出了意外，到期没有更新密码程序自动发邮件爆料.
snuxiaohua 发表于 2013-7-16 19:06
眼拙，谁能告诉我第一幅图墙上的照片是谁的背景图？
。。我还真有点囧。。
眼拙，谁能告诉我第一幅图墙上的照片是谁的背景图？
。。我还真有点囧。。
典型的一出美剧剧情嘛， ..........
看来斯诺登还是有点货呀
美帝现在是天天咬牙跺脚恨不得把雪顿碎尸万段，但是又天天乞求雪顿健健康康的活着，否则死了全世界都知道是美帝做的。雪顿远没有这么牛，这新闻就是给雪顿上保护符而已，否则，中国早在香港让雪顿消失了，雪顿这么重要的话，一个人的情报就能摧毁美帝一个NSA，中国不会傻到这个地步的吧。zxc233 发表于 2013-7-16 20:17
看来斯诺登还是有点货呀
估计斯诺登有可能就是在内部用黑客的手段外加管理员root的方便一口气把NSA内部网络里储存的所有文件基本都带走了，然后每天在莫斯科机场闲着没事儿慢慢的归类分析，这大概是米帝史上最悲催的泄密事件了。
看来斯诺登还是有点货呀
估计斯诺登有可能就是在内部用黑客的手段外加管理员root的方便一口气把NSA内部网络里储存的所有文件基本都带走了，然后每天在莫斯科机场闲着没事儿慢慢的归类分析
，这大概是米帝史上最悲催的泄密事件了。楼上说的有理。
会不会是兔子以交出这个东西为条件逼棱镜哥，所以才远走俄罗斯呢
估计斯诺登有可能就是在内部用黑客的手段外加管理员root的方便一口气把NSA内部网络里储存的所有文件基本 ...
Root是这么好拿的吗，不要说NSA这样的机构。就我见过的一个系统，root权限最多只能获得120分钟，之后就要重新获取。NSA的资料要copy出来要多少个硬盘？需要多少天，要知道这不是电影，有些系统的log是root也无法删除的，一查log就知道有人做过什么了。我不觉得他手上能有多少顶级的机密。
Root是这么好拿的吗，不要说NSA这样的机构。就我见过的一个系统，root权限最多只能获得120分钟，之后就要重新获取。NSA的资料要copy出来要多少个硬盘？需要多少天，要知道这不是电影，有些系统的log是root也无法删除的，一查log就知道有人做过什么了。我不觉得他手上能有多少顶级的机密。
吹过头了，就没人相信了。就凭他能搞到整个NSA技术构造蓝图？
再吹下去就没有人听他的了。
这种底层人员权限非常有限的,而且也不可能跨等级授权(高层想授权也不可能跨等级).要么是碰到黑科技偶然进去了,要么是有高层利益问题在偷偷给资料,要么就是纯粹炒作..
snuxiaohua 发表于 2013-7-16 19:06
眼拙，谁能告诉我第一幅图墙上的照片是谁的背景图？
图为他在香港接受记者采访
眼拙，谁能告诉我第一幅图墙上的照片是谁的背景图？
图为他在香港接受记者采访
嘿嘿鬼知道斯诺登偷走的资料中有些什么图来着
最新一期东方时事评论上有关于该事件的分析，或许这事件是个阴谋
估计斯诺登有可能就是在内部用黑客的手段外加管理员root的方便一口气把NSA内部网络里储存的所有文件基本 ...
碟中碟萌化版。
碟中碟萌化版。
这个什么记者能活到现在也是奇迹啊。。。。
按照美国柜子的手段应该早就KILL掉啊。。。
没有什么实质性危害的老鼠，猫是不会抓的。说不定什么时候还有合作的机会。
按照美国柜子的手段应该早就KILL掉啊。。。
没有什么实质性危害的老鼠，猫是不会抓的。说不定什么时候还有合作的机会。
某匹狼 发表于 2013-7-17 03:11
Root是这么好拿的吗，不要说NSA这样的机构。就我见过的一个系统，root权限最多只能获得120分钟，之后就要 ...
这120分钟是单指密码有效期还是限制登录时间？
有log是一回事，有没有人看是另一回事。
另外，我也不信斯诺登手上有什么料。所谓的蓝图说不好只是个组织介绍PPT，新员工培训必备材料
Root是这么好拿的吗，不要说NSA这样的机构。就我见过的一个系统，root权限最多只能获得120分钟，之后就要 ...
这120分钟是单指密码有效期还是限制登录时间？
有log是一回事，有没有人看是另一回事。
另外，我也不信斯诺登手上有什么料。所谓的蓝图说不好只是个组织介绍PPT，新员工培训必备材料
这个什么记者能活到现在也是奇迹啊。。。。
按照美国柜子的手段应该早就KILL掉啊。。。
伯恩在路上，垫脚石行动正式开始
按照美国柜子的手段应该早就KILL掉啊。。。
伯恩在路上，垫脚石行动正式开始
这个什么记者能活到现在也是奇迹啊。。。。
按照美国柜子的手段应该早就KILL掉啊。。。
伯恩已潜入，垫脚石行动正式开始
按照美国柜子的手段应该早就KILL掉啊。。。
伯恩已潜入，垫脚石行动正式开始
第三帝国国防军1 发表于 2013-7-16 18:19
要这样的话，他早死了。美帝不要脸，玩自爆也玩死他了。
航班降落失败装上了候机室？
要这样的话，他早死了。美帝不要脸，玩自爆也玩死他了。
航班降落失败装上了候机室？
pingle23428 发表于 2013-7-17 11:03
航班降落失败装上了候机室？
真有那些顶级机密，香港地区就会发生不明原因爆炸，投毒，车祸什么的。到俄罗斯了被卡车玩自爆啊。cia赔上最高机密间谍也会把他做了。
他属于那种打脸型人务，没什么太大机密。涉及美国国内利益集团或者情报部门内斗，推出的一条狗罢了。
航班降落失败装上了候机室？
真有那些顶级机密，香港地区就会发生不明原因爆炸，投毒，车祸什么的。到俄罗斯了被卡车玩自爆啊。cia赔上最高机密间谍也会把他做了。
他属于那种打脸型人务，没什么太大机密。涉及美国国内利益集团或者情报部门内斗，推出的一条狗罢了。
是提醒米帝不要动歪脑筋。
我觉得是吹牛以自保，他根本没那权限。
我觉得是吹牛以自保，他根本没那权限。
这点小伎俩都能被楼上们看出来，霉帝真该改名暮途穷了.....
snuxiaohua 发表于 2013-7-16 19:06
眼拙，谁能告诉我第一幅图墙上的照片是谁的背景图？
我也感到奇怪，怎么是毛爷爷？
眼拙，谁能告诉我第一幅图墙上的照片是谁的背景图？
我也感到奇怪，怎么是毛爷爷？