ZT龙腾 youtube网友讨论《达瓦里希》

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KreslavRys
Thank you very much!
You have shown the people for whom are still alive the ideals of the Soviet Union - the ideals of the struggle for freedom and building a better world. In the end my wife and I could not hold back the tears.
Thank you once again.

非常感谢!
你展示了那些还活在苏联那为了自由而斗争和建立一个更好的世界的理想中的人。最后我和我的妻子都忍不住流泪了。再一次感谢。
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Zhang S
The ending made me so sad. If the dream of cccp is to make everybody a solider, then it should be no longer. If cccp is to be missed, there're so many other things to be missed

这个结局让我感到很悲伤。如果苏联的梦想是让每个人都成为军人,那么这个梦想已然不再。如果苏联是用来怀念的,那还有很多事情可以用来怀念。

(译注:cccp——苏维埃社会主义共和国联盟(俄语:Союз Советских Социалистических Республик,缩写СССР,英文缩写USSR))
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xxddxdadag
There is no doubt CCCP and communist China both had their flaws. Nobody is perfect. America has fundamental flaws too. I don't read this film as being just about communist ideal or soviet glory. I think this is more about the betrayal from elite class, the intellectual impotence of older generations and the lost of innocence and idealist passion among younger generations, both in Russia and China.

毫无疑问苏联和中国共产党都有他们的缺点。没人是完美的。美国人也有根本缺陷。我不会把这电影当做共产主义或者苏联的荣耀来看。我觉得这(电影)更多的反映出了老一辈知识分子逐渐式微,而新一代中纯真、富有理想的年轻人又日趋减少的问题,这对于俄罗斯和中国来说都是相同的。
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spbtair
Thank you China, from Russia, great empathy in this cartoon.
I hope we will never be enemies, instead together will make a lot to push Earth progress far far up to the skies and beyond.

谢谢你中国,来自俄罗斯(的感谢),在这部卡通里(显示出你们)巨大的同情心。
我希望我们永远不会做敌人,并且在一起推动地球更远更长久地发展下去。
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Haoyang Wang
clearly this video is saying, that while nowdays in china, the rich rape the poor, the boss enslave the employee, young ladies hunting resourced mem and media dominated by US fund agents, the new generation start to rethink the socialist idea and look for chairman mao again. that is also the reason why the video is collectively criticized by china social media and so many scholars cry and demand the author's academy toexpell? the author.

显然这个视频说的是现在的中国,富人掠夺穷人,老板奴役员工,美女偏爱有钱人,媒体受政府资金统治。新一代的年轻人开始重新思考社会主义思想,再次寻找毛主席。这就是为什么中国的媒体在全面批判这个视频,很多学者强烈要求该大学开除这名作者。
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Frank Huang
Suggesting expelling the author just because of a memorial video? Probably we need to rethink who on earth is? looking for "chairman Mao"?

只是因为一个纪念视频开除该作者?也许我们需要重新思考一下谁在这个地球上,寻找着“毛主席”?
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Haoyang Wang
clearly this video is saying, that while nowdays in china, the rich rape the poor, the boss enslave the employee, young ladies hunting resourced mem and media dominated by US fund agents, the new generation start to rethink the socialist idea and look for chairman mao again. that is? also the reason why the video is collectively criticized by china social media and so many scholars cry and demand the author's academy toexpell the author.

显然这个视频说的是现在的中国,富人掠夺穷人,老板奴役员工,美女偏爱有钱人,媒体受政府资金统治。新一代的年轻人开始重新思考社会主义思想,再次寻找毛主席。这就是为什么中国的媒体在全面批判这个视频,很多学者强烈要求该大学开除这名作者。
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Redstrikelin
China might introduce democracy, China might do a lot business with Western countries, China might embrace market economy, capitalitsm, globalization, but China is China, not any other country. I think? the same applies to Russia as well.

中国也许在引入民主(的思想观念),中国也许与西方国家有很多的经济往来,中国也许在接受市场经济,资本主义,全球化,但中国就是中国,不是任何其他一个国家。我认为这也同样适用于俄罗斯。

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Haoyang Wang
actually this is a video about china. mom is representing the cpc, girl is the 80s china young who were put in socialist education but exposed in a capitalised society when they grow up. cccp is the background, as the goodwill of fairness, labor right etc. the mom betrayed the socialist idea and embraced the western world and thus turn into another money focused country but her kid, aka the 80s young, puzzled by the conflict, start? to question. as we can see china today.

其实这是一个关于中国的视频。妈妈代表中国共产党,女孩代表上个世纪80年代出生,从小接受社会主义教育,但是长大后却生活在资本主义社会的中国年轻人。CCCP的背景是公平的商誉和劳动权等。妈妈背叛了社会主义思想并且拥抱西方世界,从而转变为另一个金钱至上的国家,但是她的孩子,也就是那些上个世纪80年代出生的年轻人,被这种冲突所困惑,开始质疑,这就是我们能看到的今天的中国。
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Redstrikelin
The video represents so many things, Chinese young pepole's feeling about USSR and its collapse, their feeling about its own transition, and their resentment,anxiety and confidence? of China's current status and future. Russian friends might not be able to understand full of them, but I am very happy to see my compatriot's work triggers Russian friends' empathy. Our nations share a lot of history in the past 100 years.

这个视频代表了很多事情,比如说中国的年轻人对USSR(注:苏联)及其解体的感觉,他们对自己过渡的感觉,以及他们对中国的现状及未来的怨恨,焦虑和信心。俄罗斯朋友可能无法完全了解这些感觉,但是我很高兴能看到我同胞的作品能引发俄罗斯朋友的共鸣。我们的国家(译注:指中国和俄罗斯)在过去的100年里共同经历了很多事情。
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asratyan1
The Girl represents China. Her Mom - Russia. Russia forgot the communist ideas, sold the memory of it's leaders and left China alone after getting her to the world of globalism (big house) and proposing her new capitalist ideas? (toys).
The big blow behind the border while Gorbachev was telling that he leave his post is collapse of USSR
But China took the fallen banner and now she guards communist ideas (old-fashioned toys) armed and with the memory of forgotten Soviet leaders.

女孩代表了中国,她的妈妈则是俄罗斯。俄罗斯忘记了共产主义思想,出卖了有关它领导人的记忆,并且在使中国进入全球化的世界(大房子)并提出新的资本主义思想(玩具)后不管中国。
边境上的大打击(注:应指独联体的成立)发生后,戈尔巴乔夫宣布他要离开他的职位并且苏联解体。
但是中国捡起了倒下的旗帜,现在她守护共产主义思想(旧式玩具)并用被遗忘的苏联领导人的记忆来武装它。
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xxddxdadag
Yes, the explosion is a device to introduce the girl and the audience into a flashback of history and a dream to meet and solute? to the founding fathers of Soviet Union. The girl received the order from Felix Dzerzhinsky and then grew up into a female soldier. But she doesn't represent China in gerneral. It is a character that only represents the writer/director herself.

• (对asratyan1的回复)
是的,爆炸只是一种手法,意思是将女孩和观众带进历史和想像中,去会见苏联创始人,然后女孩接到Felix的命令后成长为一名女战士。但总得来说,她并不代表中国。她只是一个代表导演或者作者自己的角色。
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asratyan1
The Girl represents China. Her Mom - Russia. Russia forgot the communist ideas, sold the memory of it's leaders and left China alone after getting her to the world of globalism (big house) and proposing her new capitalist ideas (toys).
The big blow behind the border while Gorbachev was telling that he leave his post is? collapse of USSR.
But China took the fallen banner and now she guards communist ideas (old-fashioned toys) armed and with the memory of forgotten Soviet leaders.

女孩代表中国。母亲代表俄罗斯。俄罗斯忘记共产主义信念,出卖领导思想。在把中国带进全球化(大房子)之后,推出新的资本主义理念(玩具)。独自留下中国一个人(坚持共产主义)。
在戈尔巴乔夫宣布离职时发生在边界外的大爆炸代表苏联解体。但是中国带上倒下的旗帜,怀着被遗忘的苏维埃领导思想,继续为坚持共产主义信念而斗争。
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xxddxdadag
No, that is not correct. You have to learn Chinese and watch this at least 3 times to understand the underlying subtleties, for example: 3:40 refers to US's bombing of Chinese embassy in 1999. Why the girl runs on the street? She wants to run back to her old home, which has been demolished and turned into a building site(read the Chinese sign), and to find the toy blocks that her mother discarded.
When the girl says "they? betray us", "they" refers to BOTH Russian leaders AND Chinese leaders.

• (对asratyan1的回复)
不,并不是这样。你必须懂得中文并看三遍视频才能理解其中隐含的意思,比如说,3:40处指的是1999年美国轰炸了中国大使馆。女孩为什么在街上跑?她想回到以前的家里,但她家已经被拆迁了,她还要找回被她妈妈扔掉的积木。当女孩说“他们背叛了我们”他们指的是苏联领导人和中国领导人

Kleinlxn
My grandpa was head of Cavalry. He served in communist army during the WWII in northern china. In the year 1991 He watched the red flag fall? down in Red square through the TV while i just beside him. It was the first time that i heard my grandpa say the words as "damn it". He said: Damn it ! CCCP is over like a joke ! My grandpa was treated unfair in culture revolution, but he never loose faith in his party and leader(Mao zedong).

我爷爷以前是骑兵的头头。他曾在二战时加入了中国共产党的军队。在1991年他在电视上看到了红旗在红场上落下,那时我就在他旁边。那是我第一次听见他说“该死的”他说“CCCP竟以这样可笑的方式完蛋了”我爷爷在文化大革命的时候受到了不公平的对待,但他从未失去对党和领导人(毛)的信仰。
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PeterMunk100
That is what I would ask of? the director of this movie: what is the Girl exactly symbolic - of the Russian people or the Chinese ones?

我就想问一下影片的导演,这个女孩到底表示的是苏联人民还是中国人民?

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darhuowen
And thats also what the director want.no matter which country,only? for the same ideal

(回楼上)导演想讨论的是理想这一话题,无关乎哪个国家。

PeterMunk100
That is what I? would ask of the director of this movie: what is the Girl exactly symbolic - of the Russian people or the Chinese ones?

(回复 PeterMunk100 )

•我想问导演:这个女孩是俄罗斯还是中国的象征
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darhuowen
the Girl is Chinese.this story is happened in China.you can think it told a story about how are the chinese peoples during the 819 and 1990's.but it's hard to say what is the girl excatly symbolic,because? in those years many things are quite similar in Russia and China,and CCCP is always a great example for chinese comrade.So many chinese were also very sad for the collapse of the Soviet Union.In fact you can explain this animation from both side.

女孩是中国人,故事发生在中国。你可以认为它在讲中国人在1990和819事件中的故事,这些年中国和俄罗斯发生了许多相同的事,对中国同志来说前苏联是一个伟大的楷模。所以苏联垮台对许多中国人来说很伤悲。其实你可以从两方面解释这个动画
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Aerobus200
I cried, and crying now. Thank? you, comrades.

我哭了,现在还哭,谢谢你同志
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PeterMunk100
That is what I would ask of the director of this movie: what is the Girl exactly? symbolic - of the Russian people or the Chinese ones?

这是我想问视频导演的:这个女孩到底指的是什么?俄罗斯还是中国的象征?
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key484
Forward, comrades! To the USSR 2.0! (bugfix at eot? . su)

前进,同志!向苏联2.0进发
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yangliu84
I watched twice and cried twice. As a Chinese born in the early 80's, I seldom feel the deeply rooted emotional connection with that proud era, but this comic really moved me. I do not expect 99% of the newer generation of Chinese (born post? 90's) to relate themselves to this comic. It is not until I grow up / talked to different people / travelled some related countries that I started to understand the heroic past of intertwined purism, innocence, egotism and a bit of ignorance.

我看了两次哭了两次。作为中国80后,我并不觉得自己和那个骄傲的时代有多么深厚的情感链接,但这个短片却打动了我。我不指望中国新一代中的99%都能将他们和这个短片联系到一起。我也是在长大成人、和不同的人交流,去过很多相关的国家之后才有所感悟,开始理解那段纯粹、天真、自我与一点无知的时代的。
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Olga7ish
Thank you and kowtow for the great creative work in animation and films. I love to? see the film "In the Name of Honour" Hyaogan Feng. We lost a great country. I sincerely wish you all would be in your country, this has never happened.

对这部动画的制作者们表示万分感谢,叩头!。我更喜欢这个视频名字叫荣誉。我们已经失去了一个伟大的国家,我真诚希望这种事不会发生在你们的国家
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Yuri Idrisov
Great? animation, comrade! Wish I could read comments from your compatriots...

很棒的动画,同志!希望我能读到你们的同胞的评论
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RedboRF
Thank? you. It was amazing.

谢谢,很令人惊喜
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Alcassid 15
Охренеть, это бесподобно! Изумительно! This movie is wonderful! I'm shocked. Thank you very? much.

电影很棒,我被震撼到了,非常感谢
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Lazasakh
Thank you,? brother!

感谢你兄弟。
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Иванов П.А.
Russia alive. The Soviet Union will? be restored

俄罗斯然存在,苏维埃联盟必将重生。
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annywat
This short? movie touched so many souls here! Thank you for your understanding, and may your long road be illuminated thousand times more than ours.
This picture is for you:

短短的影片却触动了许多人灵魂!感谢你的理解,你的道路会比我们的光明无数倍。
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Ilia Kuliev
Great one. Thank you.
It was great era. Stern and stately at? the same time.

了不起的电影,非常感谢。
同时这是一部很严肃的影片。
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garn garngarn
Thak you?

感谢
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Max Goodman 19 小时前
I'a 29 years old, and cryin like? a baby, whatching this movie. My chines brothers, thank you for not forgetting and protecting our common ideas.

我29岁了,可是看这部影片却哭的像个孩子一样。我的中国兄弟,感谢你没有忘记并守护着我们共同的理想。
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Blackdeath Doc
Friendship? forever,comrade

• (对Max Goodman的回复)
友谊永存,同志。
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IIANTARESII
After the words "mother Americans will bomb us,"? - cried.

在字幕“妈妈,我们的大楼会不会被美国炸掉?”后哭了。
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shang Chen
Farewell, our? friend, our tutor,our rival, our comrade!

再见! 我们的朋友,我们的老师,我们的对手,我们的同志
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Dmitry Ovcharov
Comrades, you tear my? soul apart!!!
We lost our great country. And i'm glad you didn't make our mistakes!

同志们,你们感动了我的灵魂
我们失去了伟大的祖国,而且我很高兴你没有犯我们的错误

笑然 张
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CCCP was always a good teacher to China. By birth? and death it helped us growing. Ignoring history will on leads to disaster.

苏联一直是中国的好老师,他的诞生和死亡都帮助了中国成长。忽视历史将会把我们引向灾难。
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Александра Казакова
Thank you so much, it was so touching that we watched it again and again.
Many people here really appreciate your understanding,? though many Russians now have their brain completely washed with that shampoo.

非常谢谢。如此的令我感动以致我看了一遍又一遍。许多这里的人真的很感谢你们的理解,虽然如今许多俄罗斯人已经被洗脑
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TheTeraonline
Thank, very? good film

谢谢,很不错的视频
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cccaaa6661
Вперед? товарищи !

前进!达瓦里希!
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Kleinlxn
This is just a Cartoon movie, Why r u so? frightened ?

这只是个卡通视频,为什么你对它如此的恐惧
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TheTeraonline
Thank, very good film?

谢谢,很不错的视频
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Михаил Белов
Many thanks to the Chinese comrades. It is a pity that such a lovely cartoons are not removed in? our country.

非常感谢中国的同志,真遗憾我们无法把这个有爱的短片发到我的国家
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daiyuxiao2
try our best!?

尽我们最大努力
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SpieEye
A? lot of thanks for that awesome movie!

感谢这部了不起的电影!
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JacquesRong123
Yes. One day we? will make miracles! Thank you comrade!

是的,总有一天我们会创造奇迹,感谢你,同志!
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JacquesRong123
Thank you? comrade! Russia Brother Forever!

谢谢你!同志!俄罗斯永远是(你的)兄弟!
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msdustrain
excellent movie! Hope China will never go on the same way? the SU did!

优秀的影片!希望中国永不走上苏联的旧路。
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Qin Zhao
we will do? our best to stop that

(对msdustrain的回复)
我们会走上苏联的旧路?我们最好不会。
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Ay49Mihas11 1 天前
Thak? you, chinese comrades! Great movie.

谢谢你中国的同志,了不起的电影。
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Madbird Daboss 1 天前
our? goal is never us, our goal is deep in the galaxy

我们的目标绝不是美国,我们的目标是星辰大海。
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Haoyang Wang 1 天前
interesting,all comments in the russian? version of this video have been disabled. good job, free media.

有趣,这部动画的俄语版已经关闭了评论功能,干的好,自由媒体。
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Petr Drozdov
Sorry, comments are closed preemptively - I do not want? this wonderful animated film came standard with a squabble and debating its merits. Do not like it - put dislike (online translator sorry)

(对Haoyang Wang的回复)
很抱歉,评论先被关闭了。我不想要这部伟大的鼓舞人心的影片陷入一场辩论和争执当中,不喜欢的话就点“踩”吧(机翻抱歉)

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Fedor Ushakov
Amazing!!!Chinese Товарищи !!!?

真棒!中国同志们!
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eleezy1989
like what it said in this video? "they all betrayed us"

就像视频中所说的:“他们背叛了我们”
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msdustrain
excellent movie! Hope China will never go on? the same way the SU did!

非常棒的影片!希望中国不再走苏联的老路了
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msdustrain
excellent movie! Hope China will never go? on the same way the SU did!

优秀的影片!希望中国永不走上苏联的旧路。
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Blackdeath Doc
Uncle sam is trying that hard on us, we just shit into americans' mouths.

美国对我们是如此的强硬。我们真想给老美嘴里拉泡屎。
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Павел Брехт
просто пробрало до слез, хоть я и застал союз с 1984г но все равно тронуло..спасибо? за ролик!
Translation: just made ??his way to tears, even though I found the Union since 1984 but still touched .. thanks for the video

就这样哭了,尽管我我从1984年找到了这个联盟但是仍然感动了。。。谢谢这个视频
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helwafinde
Awesome! It's fantastic video!?

真棒!真是极棒的视频1
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helloterran
For those days we felt like a mistake, Those times when love's what you hate, Somehow, We keep marching on. ——? "Marching On" by One Republic

我们以前觉得过去的那段时间就是一个错误,那时候你所仇恨的就是爱,可是,我们依然莫名其妙的在前进着——秉着“共和世代”的理想在继续前进着。
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Cirno
Nice video!Our soldiers, holy faith, never? forget..

很好的视频! 我们的战士,神圣的信仰,永不磨灭
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Alan Zung
For the greatest nation ever existed, and shattered to? pieces, USSR

苏联,曾经是如此伟大的国家,如今却已然四分五裂了...
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KreslavRys
Thank you very much!
You have shown the people for whom are still alive the ideals of the Soviet Union - the ideals of the struggle for freedom and building a better world. In the end my wife and I could not hold back the tears.
Thank you once again.

非常感谢!
你展示了那些还活在苏联那为了自由而斗争和建立一个更好的世界的理想中的人。最后我和我的妻子都忍不住流泪了。再一次感谢。
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Zhang S
The ending made me so sad. If the dream of cccp is to make everybody a solider, then it should be no longer. If cccp is to be missed, there're so many other things to be missed

这个结局让我感到很悲伤。如果苏联的梦想是让每个人都成为军人,那么这个梦想已然不再。如果苏联是用来怀念的,那还有很多事情可以用来怀念。

(译注:cccp——苏维埃社会主义共和国联盟(俄语:Союз Советских Социалистических Республик,缩写СССР,英文缩写USSR))
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xxddxdadag
There is no doubt CCCP and communist China both had their flaws. Nobody is perfect. America has fundamental flaws too. I don't read this film as being just about communist ideal or soviet glory. I think this is more about the betrayal from elite class, the intellectual impotence of older generations and the lost of innocence and idealist passion among younger generations, both in Russia and China.

毫无疑问苏联和中国共产党都有他们的缺点。没人是完美的。美国人也有根本缺陷。我不会把这电影当做共产主义或者苏联的荣耀来看。我觉得这(电影)更多的反映出了老一辈知识分子逐渐式微,而新一代中纯真、富有理想的年轻人又日趋减少的问题,这对于俄罗斯和中国来说都是相同的。
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spbtair
Thank you China, from Russia, great empathy in this cartoon.
I hope we will never be enemies, instead together will make a lot to push Earth progress far far up to the skies and beyond.

谢谢你中国,来自俄罗斯(的感谢),在这部卡通里(显示出你们)巨大的同情心。
我希望我们永远不会做敌人,并且在一起推动地球更远更长久地发展下去。
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Haoyang Wang
clearly this video is saying, that while nowdays in china, the rich rape the poor, the boss enslave the employee, young ladies hunting resourced mem and media dominated by US fund agents, the new generation start to rethink the socialist idea and look for chairman mao again. that is also the reason why the video is collectively criticized by china social media and so many scholars cry and demand the author's academy toexpell? the author.

显然这个视频说的是现在的中国,富人掠夺穷人,老板奴役员工,美女偏爱有钱人,媒体受政府资金统治。新一代的年轻人开始重新思考社会主义思想,再次寻找毛主席。这就是为什么中国的媒体在全面批判这个视频,很多学者强烈要求该大学开除这名作者。
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Frank Huang
Suggesting expelling the author just because of a memorial video? Probably we need to rethink who on earth is? looking for "chairman Mao"?

只是因为一个纪念视频开除该作者?也许我们需要重新思考一下谁在这个地球上,寻找着“毛主席”?
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Haoyang Wang
clearly this video is saying, that while nowdays in china, the rich rape the poor, the boss enslave the employee, young ladies hunting resourced mem and media dominated by US fund agents, the new generation start to rethink the socialist idea and look for chairman mao again. that is? also the reason why the video is collectively criticized by china social media and so many scholars cry and demand the author's academy toexpell the author.

显然这个视频说的是现在的中国,富人掠夺穷人,老板奴役员工,美女偏爱有钱人,媒体受政府资金统治。新一代的年轻人开始重新思考社会主义思想,再次寻找毛主席。这就是为什么中国的媒体在全面批判这个视频,很多学者强烈要求该大学开除这名作者。
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Redstrikelin
China might introduce democracy, China might do a lot business with Western countries, China might embrace market economy, capitalitsm, globalization, but China is China, not any other country. I think? the same applies to Russia as well.

中国也许在引入民主(的思想观念),中国也许与西方国家有很多的经济往来,中国也许在接受市场经济,资本主义,全球化,但中国就是中国,不是任何其他一个国家。我认为这也同样适用于俄罗斯。

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Haoyang Wang
actually this is a video about china. mom is representing the cpc, girl is the 80s china young who were put in socialist education but exposed in a capitalised society when they grow up. cccp is the background, as the goodwill of fairness, labor right etc. the mom betrayed the socialist idea and embraced the western world and thus turn into another money focused country but her kid, aka the 80s young, puzzled by the conflict, start? to question. as we can see china today.

其实这是一个关于中国的视频。妈妈代表中国共产党,女孩代表上个世纪80年代出生,从小接受社会主义教育,但是长大后却生活在资本主义社会的中国年轻人。CCCP的背景是公平的商誉和劳动权等。妈妈背叛了社会主义思想并且拥抱西方世界,从而转变为另一个金钱至上的国家,但是她的孩子,也就是那些上个世纪80年代出生的年轻人,被这种冲突所困惑,开始质疑,这就是我们能看到的今天的中国。
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Redstrikelin
The video represents so many things, Chinese young pepole's feeling about USSR and its collapse, their feeling about its own transition, and their resentment,anxiety and confidence? of China's current status and future. Russian friends might not be able to understand full of them, but I am very happy to see my compatriot's work triggers Russian friends' empathy. Our nations share a lot of history in the past 100 years.

这个视频代表了很多事情,比如说中国的年轻人对USSR(注:苏联)及其解体的感觉,他们对自己过渡的感觉,以及他们对中国的现状及未来的怨恨,焦虑和信心。俄罗斯朋友可能无法完全了解这些感觉,但是我很高兴能看到我同胞的作品能引发俄罗斯朋友的共鸣。我们的国家(译注:指中国和俄罗斯)在过去的100年里共同经历了很多事情。
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asratyan1
The Girl represents China. Her Mom - Russia. Russia forgot the communist ideas, sold the memory of it's leaders and left China alone after getting her to the world of globalism (big house) and proposing her new capitalist ideas? (toys).
The big blow behind the border while Gorbachev was telling that he leave his post is collapse of USSR
But China took the fallen banner and now she guards communist ideas (old-fashioned toys) armed and with the memory of forgotten Soviet leaders.

女孩代表了中国,她的妈妈则是俄罗斯。俄罗斯忘记了共产主义思想,出卖了有关它领导人的记忆,并且在使中国进入全球化的世界(大房子)并提出新的资本主义思想(玩具)后不管中国。
边境上的大打击(注:应指独联体的成立)发生后,戈尔巴乔夫宣布他要离开他的职位并且苏联解体。
但是中国捡起了倒下的旗帜,现在她守护共产主义思想(旧式玩具)并用被遗忘的苏联领导人的记忆来武装它。
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xxddxdadag
Yes, the explosion is a device to introduce the girl and the audience into a flashback of history and a dream to meet and solute? to the founding fathers of Soviet Union. The girl received the order from Felix Dzerzhinsky and then grew up into a female soldier. But she doesn't represent China in gerneral. It is a character that only represents the writer/director herself.

• (对asratyan1的回复)
是的,爆炸只是一种手法,意思是将女孩和观众带进历史和想像中,去会见苏联创始人,然后女孩接到Felix的命令后成长为一名女战士。但总得来说,她并不代表中国。她只是一个代表导演或者作者自己的角色。
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asratyan1
The Girl represents China. Her Mom - Russia. Russia forgot the communist ideas, sold the memory of it's leaders and left China alone after getting her to the world of globalism (big house) and proposing her new capitalist ideas (toys).
The big blow behind the border while Gorbachev was telling that he leave his post is? collapse of USSR.
But China took the fallen banner and now she guards communist ideas (old-fashioned toys) armed and with the memory of forgotten Soviet leaders.

女孩代表中国。母亲代表俄罗斯。俄罗斯忘记共产主义信念,出卖领导思想。在把中国带进全球化(大房子)之后,推出新的资本主义理念(玩具)。独自留下中国一个人(坚持共产主义)。
在戈尔巴乔夫宣布离职时发生在边界外的大爆炸代表苏联解体。但是中国带上倒下的旗帜,怀着被遗忘的苏维埃领导思想,继续为坚持共产主义信念而斗争。
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xxddxdadag
No, that is not correct. You have to learn Chinese and watch this at least 3 times to understand the underlying subtleties, for example: 3:40 refers to US's bombing of Chinese embassy in 1999. Why the girl runs on the street? She wants to run back to her old home, which has been demolished and turned into a building site(read the Chinese sign), and to find the toy blocks that her mother discarded.
When the girl says "they? betray us", "they" refers to BOTH Russian leaders AND Chinese leaders.

• (对asratyan1的回复)
不,并不是这样。你必须懂得中文并看三遍视频才能理解其中隐含的意思,比如说,3:40处指的是1999年美国轰炸了中国大使馆。女孩为什么在街上跑?她想回到以前的家里,但她家已经被拆迁了,她还要找回被她妈妈扔掉的积木。当女孩说“他们背叛了我们”他们指的是苏联领导人和中国领导人

Kleinlxn
My grandpa was head of Cavalry. He served in communist army during the WWII in northern china. In the year 1991 He watched the red flag fall? down in Red square through the TV while i just beside him. It was the first time that i heard my grandpa say the words as "damn it". He said: Damn it ! CCCP is over like a joke ! My grandpa was treated unfair in culture revolution, but he never loose faith in his party and leader(Mao zedong).

我爷爷以前是骑兵的头头。他曾在二战时加入了中国共产党的军队。在1991年他在电视上看到了红旗在红场上落下,那时我就在他旁边。那是我第一次听见他说“该死的”他说“CCCP竟以这样可笑的方式完蛋了”我爷爷在文化大革命的时候受到了不公平的对待,但他从未失去对党和领导人(毛)的信仰。
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PeterMunk100
That is what I would ask of? the director of this movie: what is the Girl exactly symbolic - of the Russian people or the Chinese ones?

我就想问一下影片的导演,这个女孩到底表示的是苏联人民还是中国人民?

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darhuowen
And thats also what the director want.no matter which country,only? for the same ideal

(回楼上)导演想讨论的是理想这一话题,无关乎哪个国家。

PeterMunk100
That is what I? would ask of the director of this movie: what is the Girl exactly symbolic - of the Russian people or the Chinese ones?

(回复 PeterMunk100 )

•我想问导演:这个女孩是俄罗斯还是中国的象征
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darhuowen
the Girl is Chinese.this story is happened in China.you can think it told a story about how are the chinese peoples during the 819 and 1990's.but it's hard to say what is the girl excatly symbolic,because? in those years many things are quite similar in Russia and China,and CCCP is always a great example for chinese comrade.So many chinese were also very sad for the collapse of the Soviet Union.In fact you can explain this animation from both side.

女孩是中国人,故事发生在中国。你可以认为它在讲中国人在1990和819事件中的故事,这些年中国和俄罗斯发生了许多相同的事,对中国同志来说前苏联是一个伟大的楷模。所以苏联垮台对许多中国人来说很伤悲。其实你可以从两方面解释这个动画
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Aerobus200
I cried, and crying now. Thank? you, comrades.

我哭了,现在还哭,谢谢你同志
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PeterMunk100
That is what I would ask of the director of this movie: what is the Girl exactly? symbolic - of the Russian people or the Chinese ones?

这是我想问视频导演的:这个女孩到底指的是什么?俄罗斯还是中国的象征?
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key484
Forward, comrades! To the USSR 2.0! (bugfix at eot? . su)

前进,同志!向苏联2.0进发
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yangliu84
I watched twice and cried twice. As a Chinese born in the early 80's, I seldom feel the deeply rooted emotional connection with that proud era, but this comic really moved me. I do not expect 99% of the newer generation of Chinese (born post? 90's) to relate themselves to this comic. It is not until I grow up / talked to different people / travelled some related countries that I started to understand the heroic past of intertwined purism, innocence, egotism and a bit of ignorance.

我看了两次哭了两次。作为中国80后,我并不觉得自己和那个骄傲的时代有多么深厚的情感链接,但这个短片却打动了我。我不指望中国新一代中的99%都能将他们和这个短片联系到一起。我也是在长大成人、和不同的人交流,去过很多相关的国家之后才有所感悟,开始理解那段纯粹、天真、自我与一点无知的时代的。
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Olga7ish
Thank you and kowtow for the great creative work in animation and films. I love to? see the film "In the Name of Honour" Hyaogan Feng. We lost a great country. I sincerely wish you all would be in your country, this has never happened.

对这部动画的制作者们表示万分感谢,叩头!。我更喜欢这个视频名字叫荣誉。我们已经失去了一个伟大的国家,我真诚希望这种事不会发生在你们的国家
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Yuri Idrisov
Great? animation, comrade! Wish I could read comments from your compatriots...

很棒的动画,同志!希望我能读到你们的同胞的评论
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RedboRF
Thank? you. It was amazing.

谢谢,很令人惊喜
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Alcassid 15
Охренеть, это бесподобно! Изумительно! This movie is wonderful! I'm shocked. Thank you very? much.

电影很棒,我被震撼到了,非常感谢
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Lazasakh
Thank you,? brother!

感谢你兄弟。
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Иванов П.А.
Russia alive. The Soviet Union will? be restored

俄罗斯然存在,苏维埃联盟必将重生。
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annywat
This short? movie touched so many souls here! Thank you for your understanding, and may your long road be illuminated thousand times more than ours.
This picture is for you:

短短的影片却触动了许多人灵魂!感谢你的理解,你的道路会比我们的光明无数倍。
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Ilia Kuliev
Great one. Thank you.
It was great era. Stern and stately at? the same time.

了不起的电影,非常感谢。
同时这是一部很严肃的影片。
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garn garngarn
Thak you?

感谢
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Max Goodman 19 小时前
I'a 29 years old, and cryin like? a baby, whatching this movie. My chines brothers, thank you for not forgetting and protecting our common ideas.

我29岁了,可是看这部影片却哭的像个孩子一样。我的中国兄弟,感谢你没有忘记并守护着我们共同的理想。
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Blackdeath Doc
Friendship? forever,comrade

• (对Max Goodman的回复)
友谊永存,同志。
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IIANTARESII
After the words "mother Americans will bomb us,"? - cried.

在字幕“妈妈,我们的大楼会不会被美国炸掉?”后哭了。
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shang Chen
Farewell, our? friend, our tutor,our rival, our comrade!

再见! 我们的朋友,我们的老师,我们的对手,我们的同志
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Dmitry Ovcharov
Comrades, you tear my? soul apart!!!
We lost our great country. And i'm glad you didn't make our mistakes!

同志们,你们感动了我的灵魂
我们失去了伟大的祖国,而且我很高兴你没有犯我们的错误

笑然 张
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CCCP was always a good teacher to China. By birth? and death it helped us growing. Ignoring history will on leads to disaster.

苏联一直是中国的好老师,他的诞生和死亡都帮助了中国成长。忽视历史将会把我们引向灾难。
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Александра Казакова
Thank you so much, it was so touching that we watched it again and again.
Many people here really appreciate your understanding,? though many Russians now have their brain completely washed with that shampoo.

非常谢谢。如此的令我感动以致我看了一遍又一遍。许多这里的人真的很感谢你们的理解,虽然如今许多俄罗斯人已经被洗脑
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TheTeraonline
Thank, very? good film

谢谢,很不错的视频
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cccaaa6661
Вперед? товарищи !

前进!达瓦里希!
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Kleinlxn
This is just a Cartoon movie, Why r u so? frightened ?

这只是个卡通视频,为什么你对它如此的恐惧
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TheTeraonline
Thank, very good film?

谢谢,很不错的视频
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Михаил Белов
Many thanks to the Chinese comrades. It is a pity that such a lovely cartoons are not removed in? our country.

非常感谢中国的同志,真遗憾我们无法把这个有爱的短片发到我的国家
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daiyuxiao2
try our best!?

尽我们最大努力
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SpieEye
A? lot of thanks for that awesome movie!

感谢这部了不起的电影!
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JacquesRong123
Yes. One day we? will make miracles! Thank you comrade!

是的,总有一天我们会创造奇迹,感谢你,同志!
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JacquesRong123
Thank you? comrade! Russia Brother Forever!

谢谢你!同志!俄罗斯永远是(你的)兄弟!
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msdustrain
excellent movie! Hope China will never go on the same way? the SU did!

优秀的影片!希望中国永不走上苏联的旧路。
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Qin Zhao
we will do? our best to stop that

(对msdustrain的回复)
我们会走上苏联的旧路?我们最好不会。
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Ay49Mihas11 1 天前
Thak? you, chinese comrades! Great movie.

谢谢你中国的同志,了不起的电影。
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Madbird Daboss 1 天前
our? goal is never us, our goal is deep in the galaxy

我们的目标绝不是美国,我们的目标是星辰大海。
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Haoyang Wang 1 天前
interesting,all comments in the russian? version of this video have been disabled. good job, free media.

有趣,这部动画的俄语版已经关闭了评论功能,干的好,自由媒体。
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Petr Drozdov
Sorry, comments are closed preemptively - I do not want? this wonderful animated film came standard with a squabble and debating its merits. Do not like it - put dislike (online translator sorry)

(对Haoyang Wang的回复)
很抱歉,评论先被关闭了。我不想要这部伟大的鼓舞人心的影片陷入一场辩论和争执当中,不喜欢的话就点“踩”吧(机翻抱歉)

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Fedor Ushakov
Amazing!!!Chinese Товарищи !!!?

真棒!中国同志们!
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eleezy1989
like what it said in this video? "they all betrayed us"

就像视频中所说的:“他们背叛了我们”
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msdustrain
excellent movie! Hope China will never go on? the same way the SU did!

非常棒的影片!希望中国不再走苏联的老路了
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msdustrain
excellent movie! Hope China will never go? on the same way the SU did!

优秀的影片!希望中国永不走上苏联的旧路。
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Blackdeath Doc
Uncle sam is trying that hard on us, we just shit into americans' mouths.

美国对我们是如此的强硬。我们真想给老美嘴里拉泡屎。
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Павел Брехт
просто пробрало до слез, хоть я и застал союз с 1984г но все равно тронуло..спасибо? за ролик!
Translation: just made ??his way to tears, even though I found the Union since 1984 but still touched .. thanks for the video

就这样哭了,尽管我我从1984年找到了这个联盟但是仍然感动了。。。谢谢这个视频
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helwafinde
Awesome! It's fantastic video!?

真棒!真是极棒的视频1
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helloterran
For those days we felt like a mistake, Those times when love's what you hate, Somehow, We keep marching on. ——? "Marching On" by One Republic

我们以前觉得过去的那段时间就是一个错误,那时候你所仇恨的就是爱,可是,我们依然莫名其妙的在前进着——秉着“共和世代”的理想在继续前进着。
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Cirno
Nice video!Our soldiers, holy faith, never? forget..

很好的视频! 我们的战士,神圣的信仰,永不磨灭
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Alan Zung
For the greatest nation ever existed, and shattered to? pieces, USSR

苏联,曾经是如此伟大的国家,如今却已然四分五裂了...
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/9496.html
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CCCP was always a good teacher to China. By birth? and death it helped us growing. Ignoring history will on leads to disaster.

苏联一直是中国的好老师,他的诞生和死亡都帮助了中国成长。忽视历史将会把我们引向灾难。
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毛熊真看有懂的,这说的是中国,苏联只是个幌子。
这视频确实不错,相当有感染力。无论风云如何变幻,守护好我们的信仰!
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-211453-1-1.html
以下转贴
这个短片表面上是在缅怀苏联,描写苏联解体前后,其实是“贾宝玉叹晴雯,哭的是自己。”描写的是一个孩子眼中80-90年代北京城市的生活变迁。没错,正是我的童年和经历。


苏联的这条线索不提了,我打算从另外两个角度来说。我觉得这个作品起码有2个主题,一个是80-90年代这个时期儿童的个人生活感受,一个是隐喻是中国社会和国家的变化。这两条线交织在一起,有意思。




作为个人,小女孩的经历和感受,就是很多人经历过的感受过的,在这个时期,有无数的人经历了“拆迁上楼”这个过程,以孩子的视角反映了这前后生活方式的改变和感受。



作为对国家的隐喻就微妙的多了:妈妈是党中央,小动物们是人民群众,工农兵。小女孩是中层干部。在中下层的干部群众眼中,党就是妈妈这种力大无比,指引方向,但是又高耸入云,看不到真实面目的存在。





1 开篇第一句台词:这就是我的家,当然不是这些破烂的平房



个人角度:这句其实是正话反说,拆迁前的物理意义上的“家”,就是破烂的平房。帝都南城二环外的城中村,城乡结合部都是这种样子。当然比画面里稍微现代点。胡同也窄,也没有这么大的院子。




虽然在50年代初爷爷奶奶那辈就完成了从农村到城市的移民,虽然父母在工厂、机关工作,但其实生活的方方面面很难说是现代的,或者工业化的。和片子里一样,家里也养过很多小动物:猫,鸡,鸭,刺猬,乌龟,青蛙,至于夏天,还有各种草虫:蝈蝈,蛐蛐,油葫芦……这种半乡村的生活对我来说一直持续到拆迁为止。




国家角度:破烂的平房是80年代刚刚改开,显得贫穷落后的中国。








2 积木的大楼




个人角度:这个“家”是小孩子玩游戏、展开想象的精神家园。




可能是积木,也可能是工厂学校的沙石堆,煤堆,或者是某处废弃的房子的房顶。总之,往往是大人不关注的角落,只有小孩自己才知道的“秘密”的地方。





国家角度: 共产主义大厦。

党通过干部 宣传,带领人民群众建设社会主义国家,目的是最终实现共产主义:居者有其屋,自在生活的大同社会。





当然了,干部和群众的待遇还是不同滴,干部住最高层-_-:





3妈妈上班,把楼踢了:小孩子茫然说“再见,同志”



个人角度:小孩长大了,大人不再陪小孩玩了(或者,不再像小时候那么认真地陪小孩玩了)。大人也不会重视孩子游戏的感受:泥巴、沙土堆出来的“房子”会被踩掉;小儿书、漫画书会被忽然卖掉,丢掉。




国家角度:改革开放了,党中央不再重视意识形态了。干部、群众都不再是重要的,外资才是重要的。随着妈妈走过去,画面也从理想变成现实。意识形态上是一种“放羊”的状态。




“再见,同志”,其实是对前30年的那个TG告别:“再见了,那年那人那党”。





4 妈妈说并不是所有的人,都理解支持我们的建设,但并不能否认他的伟大,我们的战士,神圣的信仰,永远都不会磨灭。




个人角度:

那时候接受的教育作为一种惯性,还是重视社会主义的:红领巾是烈士的鲜血染成的,为了抢救山林而死的赖宁是少年英雄。挖社会主义的墙角是要被BS和批判的,老师会因为学生写了“人不为己天诛地灭”而严厉批评,找家长来一起挨训。




国家角度:

当时的宣传,即使不再是“共产主义大厦”。起码也还是“共同富裕”。最后,对毛的评价起码还是三七开。




5游戏,捉贝利鸭




个人角度:父母是双职工,儿童时是很自在的,可以和小动物玩,也可以和其他小孩子玩。

不像现在的小孩很早就要学英语,参加各种补习班(当年奥数是小学四年级了才去学的)。那时的孩子的精神生活,游戏时间其实是很多,而且那时的城市还没有这么多多楼房和汽车,有很多这样的空地或者安静的角落,所以,童年其实还是很幸福的。




而且游戏的时候是很有投入的,就像小学课文里那个站岗到天黑的苏联小男孩一样。扮演李向阳和铁道游击队,把废弃的工棚当成火车车厢,把房顶当成车顶。像《桥》里一样,模拟大家对表,然后特务进来……


国家角度:

中国当年和苏联一样,也是党派干部领导一群“泥腿子”,人拉肩扛建立的国家:


也有各种政治运动:





6突然早回家的妈妈、死宠物、卖书




是一个转折,孩子眼中的生活从此急转直下。




个人角度:87-88和92-95的涨价。同时 “第二职业“开始兴起。机关单位流行”下海经商“,孩子当然不知道是怎么回事。


此外,宠物死了或者小朋友搬家转学了,也确实是我当年最痛苦的时刻。因为陪自己玩的玩伴又少了一个。养的两只猫死的时候,哭了好几天,以后再也不养动物了。



国家层面:80年代末,已经认同西方政治、经济思路的高层改革派,从国外带来的各种改革改制方案,就好像突然回来的妈妈一样。干部和群众都不太明白……



卖书。好熟悉的台秤。当时科研单位军工单位都普遍不景气。造原子弹的不如卖茶叶蛋的。





7 拆迁。




个人层面:无数家庭经历了拆迁上楼。生活方式的改变,对大多数人,大多数家庭来说是喜悦的,是提高生活质量的。但就是有片中小女孩一样觉得生活方式改变并不好的。对“大杂院”“筒子楼””城中村”的生活依依不舍,对新的生活感到陌生和不舒服的人。比如我。




国家层面:90年代,开始真正大张旗鼓走中国特色资本主义道路。拆掉破烂平房是大小国企、工厂。被拆掉卖掉,无保下岗,50往上的有伤病的内退,看不起病在家等死;就像死去的“老咪”和“Flex”;还年轻力壮的,可以去再就业,资本家的血汗工厂,包身工的命运在等着他们。就像“贝利鸭”他们:



而且,中央对下岗工人的看法和态度就是包袱和累赘,地雷阵的名言“我只管钱从哪来,人往哪去”。手段是只怕太慢的“三年脱困”,妈妈这句话很应景:


而这时的中层干部,除去少数参与瓜分国资的盛宴的之外,更多的就和这个小姑娘一样,只是在被动跟着走。自己也茫然,不理解。"卖、拆、死"是最直接的感触。





8 上楼




“我们的大楼会不会被美国炸掉?”


这句明显是今人才能问出来的,是一种后人追记和讽刺了。当时“上楼”的人们可没考虑这么多。在当时大多数人的眼里,“美国”就是伟光正,先进,发达,完美的象征,直到99炸馆。

从这点上来看,现在还有很多人对美国的看法停留在80年代,永葆青春乎?冥顽不化乎?





9 ”积木被忘记了“,床上的新玩具。




个人角度:随着成长、搬家,总要丢掉很多旧的,很珍惜的东西。对我来说是养青蛙的水缸,养刺猬的木箱子,福万的1/48的坦克模型,发黄的小儿书……




国家角度:上楼是经济起步了。而积木是居者有其屋的理想,象征着共同富裕,群众路线……渐渐的,人们开始发现:这些“不会忘记带了吧”?


妈妈的答案是“新家要有新玩具”,新的经济基础要有新的上层建筑嘛。“党”领导下的方方面面都在与西方接轨,从城市面貌,到生活方式,到思想。群众路线和基层干部仿佛被遗忘了,或者只要给与一些物质条件就够打发了。此外,80后是在“中日夏令营”这种段子下成长的,从小最讨厌的就是“一个叫外国的地方住着一群别人家的孩子,如何如何”:


此外,“脏”“丢人”反映的是新资产阶级、官僚对工人、农民的态度,对国企,公有制工业企业的态度,对社会主义的态度:


这种落差之下,基层干部群众“抬头望见北斗星,心中想念毛泽东”也就是自然的了:





10看到苏联解体消息,妈妈“背叛”了。



个人角度: 更多是反映一种随着成长,物换星移,物是人非的感受。苏联解体的消息其实对当时的小孩子到没这么大冲击。听到大人们讨论各种洋玩意其实好奇跟风的更多。


国家层面:“妈妈”对于苏联解体是开着静音,没有任何感觉的。而且正在切磋“资产阶级生活方式”,嗯。社会主义理想消失,腐败盛行,和西方接轨,引进各种新鲜东西。


“妈妈背叛了我们,他们都背叛了我们!”。我立刻想起下岗改制过程中,街头巷尾那各种骂声。从以前“爱厂如家”,“心贴布,布贴心”到“谁家孩子谁抱走”“腾笼换鸟”“买断工龄”……在大多数基层群众眼里就是背叛。而很多中层干部,可能今天在劝说工人下岗,明天下岗的命运就落到自己身上。感受和“小女孩”差不多:





11小女孩飞奔到拆迁工地,回忆起想象中和小动物们参加卫国战争,保卫倒塌的积木。

为什么不哈苏的人看了这段也会感慨呢,我想,大概是因为“幻灭”吧。




个人角度:我确实回到已经被拆掉的“家”去看过,回忆以前“好时光”。消失的是整片街道,大部分小时候的活动空间。通过对童年自在生活的美化的回忆,由此一种对成长过程的反思和回忆,对现在长大以后“压抑”“紧张“的生活的排斥与质疑。

从小到大这个过程,失去了什么?有些再也找不回来了,值得吗?

国家角度:

通过小女孩去回顾苏联卫国战争(t34/76 La5)和内战的场景(装甲汽车,布琼尼帽),体现了苏联对于中国意义:苏联从生到死都在给中国做老师,从正面老师到反面教员。


小女孩视角下的保卫国家的回忆+苏联解体的结局,完全符合悲剧的审美价值:创造->幻灭。中国的中下层因为不希望自己真的经历苏联解体之后的结局,不由得不兔死狐悲,物伤其类。不难想象,这种结局加之与我们会是怎样:





当年能造出T34的伟大工业化国家,现在堕落到了靠卖资源能源过日子。要从中国大量进口拖拉机和重卡了:


当年那些为了共产主义理想流血牺牲的烈士们,如果最终就是这么个结局,那么他们当年的奋斗和义无反顾,还值得吗?!


活着的人,对得起他们吗?!


“阶级的部队,阶级的英雄,阶级的意志,阶级的心”……随风而逝了吗


这段既是在缅怀苏联的成就,为解体而惋惜,同时也是在缅怀老一辈的TG和质疑现在的TG,质疑中国将来是否也要重蹈覆辙?我们也会经历经济上去工业化,精神上丢掉自己的英雄么?

用孔庆东在《国文国史三十年》里的话来说就是:”从理论上说,党是代表人民利益的。但是如果哪天党不代表人民利益,党和人民的利益发生断裂的时候(比如那个逯军),你选择站在党一边呢,还是选择人民一边?




显然片中的小女孩是选择了后者。她找回了积木,虽然已经倒塌了。她的衣服换成了卫国战争时的军装,拿起了波波沙,守卫着这堆积木。反映了一种对曾经的”集体主义“观念的肯定与认同。能找回来,别丢了,说不定以后就能重新搭起来。




12其他

Flex把“最高指示”交还给她:“前进,同志”。嗯《儿童团团歌》、《少先队队歌》其实大家都会唱的,都能记起来的。


此外,对于“妈妈背叛了我们,他们都背叛了我们!”之后“怎么办”的问题,虽然片中给出的回应是片名”前进,同志“。但是对于俺们这代人来说,国际歌就是现成的答案啊:”从来就没有什么救世主,也不靠神仙皇帝“。用革命一点的话来说就是:“前汉亡了有后汉,他们不干我们干”。




以上,就是一个30岁的胡同串子的观后感,一个城市中下层对80-90年代社会剧变转型期的经历与感受。




——

有人只是从小动物的名字来理解。我还是觉得名字只不过是小孩给小动物随便起的符号而已。硬从名字上解释,就说不通了,为什么一个中国小女孩对克格勃头子依依不舍?为啥贝利亚能活到819?为啥那时候的小女孩会想象自己是苏联?




当时的大人小孩都对苏联没这样的感觉。毕竟已经反了20年苏修了。50年代的小孩也许当时有这样的想法(50年代的儿歌:“苏联小朋友,牵制大黄狗;苏联老大哥,住在莫斯科”),但是苏联解体的时候显然也不这么想了。



80后的小孩在苏联解体的时候,要么因为模型、南斯拉夫里的德军武器而哈德,要么因为变形金刚,特种部队而哈美。




到“拆迁上楼”为止,我也只是理解成是小女孩喜欢苏联,但这是说不通的。




“美国人会不会炸我们的大楼”。这句话一下点出:噢。其实说的是中国!因为美国没炸过苏联的楼啊。




而且不是以当时人的视角,而是现在的人的视角去反思中国的发展过程。那么“上楼”显然就是90年代的经济转型过程了。那么再往前想,自然就说得通了。
也许这样的时代才有机会和条件诞生这样的片子
这女孩应该有个好老师指点~  啥时能能看看芳容哇
应该翻译youtube上的俄文评论。
Kleinlxn
This is just a Cartoon movie, Why r u so? frightened ?

这只是个卡通视频,为什么你对它如此的恐惧
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这句话真应该送给那些攻击、谩骂王一琳的公知JY们。
这女孩应该有个好老师指点~  啥时能能看看芳容哇
哈哈,北大的那个叫板小克的。。。。。。
评论里面有人说有学者要求该大学开除这个学生

如果此事当真
我想真的会上街了
太过分
江水 发表于 2013-7-1 22:57
评论里面有人说有学者要求该大学开除这个学生

如果此事当真
大陈岛立了某人的像,袁腾飞高调复出,某些人早就坐不住了。
有些人,到底在害怕什么呢...
这只是部动画,公知JY到底在害怕什么呢?
xbill 发表于 2013-7-1 23:43
有些人,到底在害怕什么呢...
反对剥削有罪! 已经有人跳出来了!

看看一些论坛就知道了,某些人平时装的一副自由民主的面孔!

一到这种事情上! 直接撕掉伪装!

利益当前,要什么裤头!


江水 发表于 2013-7-1 22:57
评论里面有人说有学者要求该大学开除这个学生

如果此事当真
撑你!!!!!
那些曾经让无数人热血沸腾精神亢奋的革命岁月已经一去不复返了,现在很多人会怀念,但不会再愿意回到那个年代。
fbi1982426 发表于 2013-7-2 03:34
那些曾经让无数人热血沸腾精神亢奋的革命岁月已经一去不复返了,现在很多人会怀念,但不会再愿意回到那个年 ...
这个年代不好评价
评论里面有人说有学者要求该大学开除这个学生

如果此事当真

同去同去