印度HAL要自己组装,公鸡压力山大,拒绝对此负责,阵风战机 ...

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Report: India-France Rafale Deal Stalled
Apr. 5, 2013 - 08:09AM   |   By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE   
印法阵风合同停顿.
The Indian Express newspaper, citing anonymous sources in its report, said that Dassault had refused to take responsibility for the 108 jets to be manufactured by HAL,
达索拒绝为HAL组装的108架负责.

The French firm reportedly told Indian officials that New Delhi would have to negotiate two contracts, one with Dassault for 18 fighters and the other with HAL for the remaining 108 aircraft.
公鸡建议签两个合同: 印度和达索签18架(法制)的合同, 印度再和HAL签108架的合同.

The defense ministry “completely rejected this suggestion and made it clear to Dassault that it (the French company) will be solely responsible for the sale and delivery of all 126 aircraft,” the newspaper reported, citing sources.

阿三国防部彻底拒绝公鸡这一推卸责任的建议,强调达索必须对全部126架飞机负全责.

全文如下:


NEW DELHI — India’s negotiations with France’s Dassault Aviation on a $12-billion deal for Rafale fighter jets have stalled due to disagreements over the production of the planes in India, a report said Friday.

The defense deal, one of the biggest ever, was to see the manufacture of the first 18 of the jets in France, with the remainder to be produced under license by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), a state-run Indian aerospace behemoth.

The Indian Express newspaper, citing anonymous sources in its report, said that Dassault had refused to take responsibility for the 108 jets to be manufactured by HAL, sparking a row with New Delhi. The French firm reportedly told Indian officials that New Delhi would have to negotiate two contracts, one with Dassault for 18 fighters and the other with HAL for the remaining 108 aircraft.

The defense ministry “completely rejected this suggestion and made it clear to Dassault that it (the French company) will be solely responsible for the sale and delivery of all 126 aircraft,” the newspaper reported, citing sources.

Dassault is thought to have reservations about the ability of HAL, a firm renowned for its inefficiencies, to handle the complex manufacturing and technology transfers, which are a crucial part of the deal.

The Rafale beat stiff competition from six rivals from Russia, the U.S. and Europe last year when India selected the French fighter to replace its aging fleet. Its main rival, the Eurofighter, made by European group EADS, has remained in India and is still hoping to bag the deal in case Dassault is unable to conclude the negotiations successfully.

A Dassault spokeswoman said she was unable to comment immediately on the report when contacted by AFP.

The Rafale has carried out bombing missions in Afghanistan, Libya and most recently in Mali, where it is currently flying sorties targeting Islamist militants.

India’s air force chief said in February that the country hopes to sign the deal with Dassault Aviation by the middle of the year.


http://www.defensenews.com/artic ... Rafale-Deal-Stalled


节选:
Report: India-France Rafale Deal Stalled
Apr. 5, 2013 - 08:09AM   |   By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE   
印法阵风合同停顿.
The Indian Express newspaper, citing anonymous sources in its report, said that Dassault had refused to take responsibility for the 108 jets to be manufactured by HAL,
达索拒绝为HAL组装的108架负责.

The French firm reportedly told Indian officials that New Delhi would have to negotiate two contracts, one with Dassault for 18 fighters and the other with HAL for the remaining 108 aircraft.
公鸡建议签两个合同: 印度和达索签18架(法制)的合同, 印度再和HAL签108架的合同.

The defense ministry “completely rejected this suggestion and made it clear to Dassault that it (the French company) will be solely responsible for the sale and delivery of all 126 aircraft,” the newspaper reported, citing sources.

阿三国防部彻底拒绝公鸡这一推卸责任的建议,强调达索必须对全部126架飞机负全责.

全文如下:


NEW DELHI — India’s negotiations with France’s Dassault Aviation on a $12-billion deal for Rafale fighter jets have stalled due to disagreements over the production of the planes in India, a report said Friday.

The defense deal, one of the biggest ever, was to see the manufacture of the first 18 of the jets in France, with the remainder to be produced under license by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), a state-run Indian aerospace behemoth.

The Indian Express newspaper, citing anonymous sources in its report, said that Dassault had refused to take responsibility for the 108 jets to be manufactured by HAL, sparking a row with New Delhi. The French firm reportedly told Indian officials that New Delhi would have to negotiate two contracts, one with Dassault for 18 fighters and the other with HAL for the remaining 108 aircraft.

The defense ministry “completely rejected this suggestion and made it clear to Dassault that it (the French company) will be solely responsible for the sale and delivery of all 126 aircraft,” the newspaper reported, citing sources.

Dassault is thought to have reservations about the ability of HAL, a firm renowned for its inefficiencies, to handle the complex manufacturing and technology transfers, which are a crucial part of the deal.

The Rafale beat stiff competition from six rivals from Russia, the U.S. and Europe last year when India selected the French fighter to replace its aging fleet. Its main rival, the Eurofighter, made by European group EADS, has remained in India and is still hoping to bag the deal in case Dassault is unable to conclude the negotiations successfully.

A Dassault spokeswoman said she was unable to comment immediately on the report when contacted by AFP.

The Rafale has carried out bombing missions in Afghanistan, Libya and most recently in Mali, where it is currently flying sorties targeting Islamist militants.

India’s air force chief said in February that the country hopes to sign the deal with Dassault Aviation by the middle of the year.


http://www.defensenews.com/artic ... Rafale-Deal-Stalled
法国人最后会让步的,谈崩了阿三买台风也一样。
这……这个神都有压力……
这合同执行完得啥时候啊?
公鸡倒也是明白人啊
HAL……看公鸡会不会舍得了,126架啊
HAL?神一般的公司啊,这样的公司阿三家越多越好啊!
可以新成立一家合资公司,达索持股51%
KittyHoney 发表于 2013-4-6 14:46
这……这个神都有压力……
是啊!哪尊神敢对HAL造的飞机“负全责”啊
哈哈,这口碑混的!
我大印度斯坦航空V5……
HAL混到这一步不容易哈!
观天下 发表于 2013-4-6 15:24
是啊!哪尊神敢对HAL造的飞机“负全责”啊
达索咬牙挺住,否则节操不保啊。
“对HAL负责”,法国一听就凌乱了
这事儿干不得,这可是要砸招牌啊
这个实在太难为人了,保险费提高10倍都没人肯接啊
谁敢为HAL负责啊。。。
hal真是"威名"远扬啊............
高卢鸡还是没毛毛熊圆滑,看hal还不是能组装出30mki嘛
cawp 发表于 2013-4-6 14:57
可以新成立一家合资公司,达索持股51%
达索不是傻子,高卢鸡哪有那么傻。什么形式的都没有用,三锅自己动手是什么德行,这么多年下来,长期合作的达索会不知道?况且三锅的贪污也难以让人放心,持股51%有个X用,最后肯定又是一屁股烂账
拿破仑皇帝的祖训还是牢记在心的
HAL威名远播,就算是外星人听到内心都淡定不了……


明显对HAL最不信任的是印度政府和印度空军,拟国产的东西还要找国外原厂负责

另外,就算达索把整个工厂完全克隆到印度,连带技术人员,难道还让达索对印度空军的维护能力和飞行员的训练水平负责吗?印度空军可以等同为另外一个HAL。

明显对HAL最不信任的是印度政府和印度空军,拟国产的东西还要找国外原厂负责

另外,就算达索把整个工厂完全克隆到印度,连带技术人员,难道还让达索对印度空军的维护能力和飞行员的训练水平负责吗?印度空军可以等同为另外一个HAL。
这是南亚的通病,自己瞎搞,还让别人负责。。。。合同可以签成这样:仅对我方所供设备及技术指导负责,其他一概不管。。。。
谁敢负责啊,负责的话没准合同执行完达索倒贴钱…
三哥这是利用自己的弱点抬高身价呀···神来之笔
36047496 发表于 2013-4-6 14:46
法国人最后会让步的,谈崩了阿三买台风也一样。
然后和多个国家一起扯皮
阿三变聪明了还是变苯了?
陆仁贾 发表于 2013-4-6 17:24
三哥这是利用自己的弱点抬高身价呀···神来之笔
以弱胜强的绝佳案例
陆仁贾 发表于 2013-4-6 17:24
三哥这是利用自己的弱点抬高身价呀···神来之笔
以弱胜强的绝佳案例
陆仁贾 发表于 2013-4-6 17:24
三哥这是利用自己的弱点抬高身价呀···神来之笔
以弱胜强的绝佳案例
其实阿三的本意是借此机会提高质量管理…不过这要求太急了…HAL名声在外,哪个胆子肥的敢一口答应?!
36047496 发表于 2013-4-6 14:46
法国人最后会让步的,谈崩了阿三买台风也一样。
这个BAE也没办法
阿三要求按期交货,问题是飞机是HAL生产的,达索能保证HAL按期交货?
36047496 发表于 2013-4-6 14:46
法国人最后会让步的,谈崩了阿三买台风也一样。

买台风也会有人有压力的,
要不英国政府担保一下?


达索必须在HAL面前完全屈服!
阿三也是 自己组装的要别人负责 要不你出全价 我哪怕一条龙负责到底
交话费地瓜 发表于 2013-4-6 15:43
达索咬牙挺住,否则节操不保啊。
节操是么么冬冬?????
三哥不是要上火星吗?
HAL V587高卢鸡等着内牛满面吧