超级军网巴基斯坦防务论坛：为什么中国看起来像个恶霸(更新)
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正文翻译：ayachyan
ByAndy H. Hagad
BottomLine
Monday,December 10, 2012
THEquestion has been asked by media and political observers, noting theapparently-uncharacteristic behaviour of China against its Asian and Aseanneighbours Japan, India, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Vietnam and thePhilippines, all of whom have claims over portions of areas surrounded by theChina Sea. Uncharacteristic? A closer look at the geographic and politicalbackground of Chinaindicates that the behaviour may actually be true-to-form.
当注意到中国对他周边的亚洲邻居的行为时，无数的媒体和政治观察家时常抱有这个疑问：为什么中国看起来像个恶霸？在仔细的观察中国的地缘政治之后表面这类恶霸行为是确确实实存在的。
TheChinese government has always adopted an iron-fisted policy even among itscitizens. It has to. The Chinese Mainland is so huge that it covers an areathat spreads from Asia all the way to Europe.
中国ZF无论对内还是对外都是奉行一种铁拳政策，或者说他必须这么做。因为中国ZF管辖的国土面积有整个欧洲那么大。
Insideits territory one will find Chinese with slanty eyes, citizens with big roundeyes, black-haired, brown-haired and blond-haired subjects, depending on whatarea of Chinaone looks at. The cultures of these different ethnic groups are also so diversethat if the government had not ruled them with an iron hand, they would haveclashed and broken up a long time ago. Add the fact that there are more than abillion of them and we can understand why a bully attitude is necessary to keepthem together and in check.
在中国广袤的国土里，观察者若不仔细观察将很容易产生一种错觉，因为同样是中国公民，有黑色眼睛和黑色或者棕色又或者金色的头发，这要取决于他观察的地方。ZF如不采取铁拳政策将不可能整合这么多的民族这么多的文化，而这些民族文化在漫长的历史里一直激烈地冲突着。如果我们明白这些不同的民族和文化的庞大数量，我们就能很容易明白为了统一整个国家ZF成为一个恶霸是必须的。
Withmore than a billion mouths to feed and sustain it is also a monumental effortfor Chinato keep its economy vibrant and growing. It is a giant with an insatiableappetite and must be sustained with mountains of food, natural, commercial andindustrial resources every second of every minute of every hour of every day. Adrop of even a fraction in its gross domestic product (GDP), for example,translates into warning signals of a possible slide towards an economic crisis.
需要供养10亿以上的人口，中国依旧能保持奇迹般的高速经济成长。为了满足庞大人口无休止的生活需求，中国在每一分每一秒都需要山一样的食物，商品和生产资料。在GDP上的一个轻微下降，将会是整个国家有滑入经济危机的风险。
Onthe other hand, the problem with being a world power like China is that one needs to protectit with a strong military force. Keeping the armed forces well-armed,well-stocked and running sucks up a huge amount of the government budget. China recentlylaunched its first aircraft-carrier. I do not doubt that the cost to build andmaintain it must be higher than our own government's entire national budget.
另一方面，问题是要想成为一个中国这样的大国，需要拥有能够自保的强大军事力量。保有和更新装备以及更新库存这些都需要巨大的国家预算。中国前些日子装备了他的第一艘航母，我毫不怀疑建造以及维护这艘航母需要的国防预算会远远超过我们国家全部的国防预算（作者是菲律宾）
In2010, the Chinese economy rose at its peak to 9.4%. In 2011 I read that itdropped to 7.2%. While that figure to developing countries like the Philippinesis cause for rejoicing (we recently recorded a growth of 7.4% during the thirdquarter of 2012), the slide of more than 2 bases points to the Chinesegovernment is probably very alarming, indicating that expenditures are runningaway from income; and more resources must be pumped into the economy before theslide towards economic bankruptcy becomes inexorable. Where to get theresources? One source is the reported undersea oil and gas deposits in theSouth China Sea (West Philippine Sea to us)and its rich marine life.
在2010年，中国经济增长率达到了他的峰值9.4%，2011年，我发现他跌到了7.2%。7.2%这个增长率若放到其他的发展中国家将是很令人高兴的（2012年菲律宾第三季度增长了7.4%），但下降了2个点还多的增长率对中国来说是一个警报，表明国家收入的扩张即将结束，必须在经济破产之前注入更多的资源。但到那去找资源呢？一个就是南海的海底油气田，以及他强大的海上力量。
Thisis why Chinais such a bully these days. It feels it has to if it is to maintain itsposition as a world power. If we are to protect our interest in this part ofthe ocean, we need to understand why China is behaving that way.
这就是为什么这些天来中国看起来像个恶霸。为了保持他世界强权的地位他必须这样。如果我们要保护我们在南海的利益，我们需要明白为什么中国会这样。
原文帖子：http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6867.html正文翻译：ayachyan
ByAndy H. Hagad
BottomLine
Monday,December 10, 2012
THEquestion has been asked by media and political observers, noting theapparently-uncharacteristic behaviour of China against its Asian and Aseanneighbours Japan, India, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Vietnam and thePhilippines, all of whom have claims over portions of areas surrounded by theChina Sea. Uncharacteristic? A closer look at the geographic and politicalbackground of Chinaindicates that the behaviour may actually be true-to-form.
当注意到中国对他周边的亚洲邻居的行为时，无数的媒体和政治观察家时常抱有这个疑问：为什么中国看起来像个恶霸？在仔细的观察中国的地缘政治之后表面这类恶霸行为是确确实实存在的。
TheChinese government has always adopted an iron-fisted policy even among itscitizens. It has to. The Chinese Mainland is so huge that it covers an areathat spreads from Asia all the way to Europe.
中国ZF无论对内还是对外都是奉行一种铁拳政策，或者说他必须这么做。因为中国ZF管辖的国土面积有整个欧洲那么大。
Insideits territory one will find Chinese with slanty eyes, citizens with big roundeyes, black-haired, brown-haired and blond-haired subjects, depending on whatarea of Chinaone looks at. The cultures of these different ethnic groups are also so diversethat if the government had not ruled them with an iron hand, they would haveclashed and broken up a long time ago. Add the fact that there are more than abillion of them and we can understand why a bully attitude is necessary to keepthem together and in check.
在中国广袤的国土里，观察者若不仔细观察将很容易产生一种错觉，因为同样是中国公民，有黑色眼睛和黑色或者棕色又或者金色的头发，这要取决于他观察的地方。ZF如不采取铁拳政策将不可能整合这么多的民族这么多的文化，而这些民族文化在漫长的历史里一直激烈地冲突着。如果我们明白这些不同的民族和文化的庞大数量，我们就能很容易明白为了统一整个国家ZF成为一个恶霸是必须的。
Withmore than a billion mouths to feed and sustain it is also a monumental effortfor Chinato keep its economy vibrant and growing. It is a giant with an insatiableappetite and must be sustained with mountains of food, natural, commercial andindustrial resources every second of every minute of every hour of every day. Adrop of even a fraction in its gross domestic product (GDP), for example,translates into warning signals of a possible slide towards an economic crisis.
需要供养10亿以上的人口，中国依旧能保持奇迹般的高速经济成长。为了满足庞大人口无休止的生活需求，中国在每一分每一秒都需要山一样的食物，商品和生产资料。在GDP上的一个轻微下降，将会是整个国家有滑入经济危机的风险。
Onthe other hand, the problem with being a world power like China is that one needs to protectit with a strong military force. Keeping the armed forces well-armed,well-stocked and running sucks up a huge amount of the government budget. China recentlylaunched its first aircraft-carrier. I do not doubt that the cost to build andmaintain it must be higher than our own government's entire national budget.
另一方面，问题是要想成为一个中国这样的大国，需要拥有能够自保的强大军事力量。保有和更新装备以及更新库存这些都需要巨大的国家预算。中国前些日子装备了他的第一艘航母，我毫不怀疑建造以及维护这艘航母需要的国防预算会远远超过我们国家全部的国防预算（作者是菲律宾）
In2010, the Chinese economy rose at its peak to 9.4%. In 2011 I read that itdropped to 7.2%. While that figure to developing countries like the Philippinesis cause for rejoicing (we recently recorded a growth of 7.4% during the thirdquarter of 2012), the slide of more than 2 bases points to the Chinesegovernment is probably very alarming, indicating that expenditures are runningaway from income; and more resources must be pumped into the economy before theslide towards economic bankruptcy becomes inexorable. Where to get theresources? One source is the reported undersea oil and gas deposits in theSouth China Sea (West Philippine Sea to us)and its rich marine life.
在2010年，中国经济增长率达到了他的峰值9.4%，2011年，我发现他跌到了7.2%。7.2%这个增长率若放到其他的发展中国家将是很令人高兴的（2012年菲律宾第三季度增长了7.4%），但下降了2个点还多的增长率对中国来说是一个警报，表明国家收入的扩张即将结束，必须在经济破产之前注入更多的资源。但到那去找资源呢？一个就是南海的海底油气田，以及他强大的海上力量。
Thisis why Chinais such a bully these days. It feels it has to if it is to maintain itsposition as a world power. If we are to protect our interest in this part ofthe ocean, we need to understand why China is behaving that way.
这就是为什么这些天来中国看起来像个恶霸。为了保持他世界强权的地位他必须这样。如果我们要保护我们在南海的利益，我们需要明白为什么中国会这样。
原文帖子：http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6867.html
ByAndy H. Hagad
BottomLine
Monday,December 10, 2012
THEquestion has been asked by media and political observers, noting theapparently-uncharacteristic behaviour of China against its Asian and Aseanneighbours Japan, India, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Vietnam and thePhilippines, all of whom have claims over portions of areas surrounded by theChina Sea. Uncharacteristic? A closer look at the geographic and politicalbackground of Chinaindicates that the behaviour may actually be true-to-form.
当注意到中国对他周边的亚洲邻居的行为时，无数的媒体和政治观察家时常抱有这个疑问：为什么中国看起来像个恶霸？在仔细的观察中国的地缘政治之后表面这类恶霸行为是确确实实存在的。
TheChinese government has always adopted an iron-fisted policy even among itscitizens. It has to. The Chinese Mainland is so huge that it covers an areathat spreads from Asia all the way to Europe.
中国ZF无论对内还是对外都是奉行一种铁拳政策，或者说他必须这么做。因为中国ZF管辖的国土面积有整个欧洲那么大。
Insideits territory one will find Chinese with slanty eyes, citizens with big roundeyes, black-haired, brown-haired and blond-haired subjects, depending on whatarea of Chinaone looks at. The cultures of these different ethnic groups are also so diversethat if the government had not ruled them with an iron hand, they would haveclashed and broken up a long time ago. Add the fact that there are more than abillion of them and we can understand why a bully attitude is necessary to keepthem together and in check.
在中国广袤的国土里，观察者若不仔细观察将很容易产生一种错觉，因为同样是中国公民，有黑色眼睛和黑色或者棕色又或者金色的头发，这要取决于他观察的地方。ZF如不采取铁拳政策将不可能整合这么多的民族这么多的文化，而这些民族文化在漫长的历史里一直激烈地冲突着。如果我们明白这些不同的民族和文化的庞大数量，我们就能很容易明白为了统一整个国家ZF成为一个恶霸是必须的。
Withmore than a billion mouths to feed and sustain it is also a monumental effortfor Chinato keep its economy vibrant and growing. It is a giant with an insatiableappetite and must be sustained with mountains of food, natural, commercial andindustrial resources every second of every minute of every hour of every day. Adrop of even a fraction in its gross domestic product (GDP), for example,translates into warning signals of a possible slide towards an economic crisis.
需要供养10亿以上的人口，中国依旧能保持奇迹般的高速经济成长。为了满足庞大人口无休止的生活需求，中国在每一分每一秒都需要山一样的食物，商品和生产资料。在GDP上的一个轻微下降，将会是整个国家有滑入经济危机的风险。
Onthe other hand, the problem with being a world power like China is that one needs to protectit with a strong military force. Keeping the armed forces well-armed,well-stocked and running sucks up a huge amount of the government budget. China recentlylaunched its first aircraft-carrier. I do not doubt that the cost to build andmaintain it must be higher than our own government's entire national budget.
另一方面，问题是要想成为一个中国这样的大国，需要拥有能够自保的强大军事力量。保有和更新装备以及更新库存这些都需要巨大的国家预算。中国前些日子装备了他的第一艘航母，我毫不怀疑建造以及维护这艘航母需要的国防预算会远远超过我们国家全部的国防预算（作者是菲律宾）
In2010, the Chinese economy rose at its peak to 9.4%. In 2011 I read that itdropped to 7.2%. While that figure to developing countries like the Philippinesis cause for rejoicing (we recently recorded a growth of 7.4% during the thirdquarter of 2012), the slide of more than 2 bases points to the Chinesegovernment is probably very alarming, indicating that expenditures are runningaway from income; and more resources must be pumped into the economy before theslide towards economic bankruptcy becomes inexorable. Where to get theresources? One source is the reported undersea oil and gas deposits in theSouth China Sea (West Philippine Sea to us)and its rich marine life.
在2010年，中国经济增长率达到了他的峰值9.4%，2011年，我发现他跌到了7.2%。7.2%这个增长率若放到其他的发展中国家将是很令人高兴的（2012年菲律宾第三季度增长了7.4%），但下降了2个点还多的增长率对中国来说是一个警报，表明国家收入的扩张即将结束，必须在经济破产之前注入更多的资源。但到那去找资源呢？一个就是南海的海底油气田，以及他强大的海上力量。
Thisis why Chinais such a bully these days. It feels it has to if it is to maintain itsposition as a world power. If we are to protect our interest in this part ofthe ocean, we need to understand why China is behaving that way.
这就是为什么这些天来中国看起来像个恶霸。为了保持他世界强权的地位他必须这样。如果我们要保护我们在南海的利益，我们需要明白为什么中国会这样。
原文帖子：http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6867.html正文翻译：ayachyan
ByAndy H. Hagad
BottomLine
Monday,December 10, 2012
THEquestion has been asked by media and political observers, noting theapparently-uncharacteristic behaviour of China against its Asian and Aseanneighbours Japan, India, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, Vietnam and thePhilippines, all of whom have claims over portions of areas surrounded by theChina Sea. Uncharacteristic? A closer look at the geographic and politicalbackground of Chinaindicates that the behaviour may actually be true-to-form.
当注意到中国对他周边的亚洲邻居的行为时，无数的媒体和政治观察家时常抱有这个疑问：为什么中国看起来像个恶霸？在仔细的观察中国的地缘政治之后表面这类恶霸行为是确确实实存在的。
TheChinese government has always adopted an iron-fisted policy even among itscitizens. It has to. The Chinese Mainland is so huge that it covers an areathat spreads from Asia all the way to Europe.
中国ZF无论对内还是对外都是奉行一种铁拳政策，或者说他必须这么做。因为中国ZF管辖的国土面积有整个欧洲那么大。
Insideits territory one will find Chinese with slanty eyes, citizens with big roundeyes, black-haired, brown-haired and blond-haired subjects, depending on whatarea of Chinaone looks at. The cultures of these different ethnic groups are also so diversethat if the government had not ruled them with an iron hand, they would haveclashed and broken up a long time ago. Add the fact that there are more than abillion of them and we can understand why a bully attitude is necessary to keepthem together and in check.
在中国广袤的国土里，观察者若不仔细观察将很容易产生一种错觉，因为同样是中国公民，有黑色眼睛和黑色或者棕色又或者金色的头发，这要取决于他观察的地方。ZF如不采取铁拳政策将不可能整合这么多的民族这么多的文化，而这些民族文化在漫长的历史里一直激烈地冲突着。如果我们明白这些不同的民族和文化的庞大数量，我们就能很容易明白为了统一整个国家ZF成为一个恶霸是必须的。
Withmore than a billion mouths to feed and sustain it is also a monumental effortfor Chinato keep its economy vibrant and growing. It is a giant with an insatiableappetite and must be sustained with mountains of food, natural, commercial andindustrial resources every second of every minute of every hour of every day. Adrop of even a fraction in its gross domestic product (GDP), for example,translates into warning signals of a possible slide towards an economic crisis.
需要供养10亿以上的人口，中国依旧能保持奇迹般的高速经济成长。为了满足庞大人口无休止的生活需求，中国在每一分每一秒都需要山一样的食物，商品和生产资料。在GDP上的一个轻微下降，将会是整个国家有滑入经济危机的风险。
Onthe other hand, the problem with being a world power like China is that one needs to protectit with a strong military force. Keeping the armed forces well-armed,well-stocked and running sucks up a huge amount of the government budget. China recentlylaunched its first aircraft-carrier. I do not doubt that the cost to build andmaintain it must be higher than our own government's entire national budget.
另一方面，问题是要想成为一个中国这样的大国，需要拥有能够自保的强大军事力量。保有和更新装备以及更新库存这些都需要巨大的国家预算。中国前些日子装备了他的第一艘航母，我毫不怀疑建造以及维护这艘航母需要的国防预算会远远超过我们国家全部的国防预算（作者是菲律宾）
In2010, the Chinese economy rose at its peak to 9.4%. In 2011 I read that itdropped to 7.2%. While that figure to developing countries like the Philippinesis cause for rejoicing (we recently recorded a growth of 7.4% during the thirdquarter of 2012), the slide of more than 2 bases points to the Chinesegovernment is probably very alarming, indicating that expenditures are runningaway from income; and more resources must be pumped into the economy before theslide towards economic bankruptcy becomes inexorable. Where to get theresources? One source is the reported undersea oil and gas deposits in theSouth China Sea (West Philippine Sea to us)and its rich marine life.
在2010年，中国经济增长率达到了他的峰值9.4%，2011年，我发现他跌到了7.2%。7.2%这个增长率若放到其他的发展中国家将是很令人高兴的（2012年菲律宾第三季度增长了7.4%），但下降了2个点还多的增长率对中国来说是一个警报，表明国家收入的扩张即将结束，必须在经济破产之前注入更多的资源。但到那去找资源呢？一个就是南海的海底油气田，以及他强大的海上力量。
Thisis why Chinais such a bully these days. It feels it has to if it is to maintain itsposition as a world power. If we are to protect our interest in this part ofthe ocean, we need to understand why China is behaving that way.
这就是为什么这些天来中国看起来像个恶霸。为了保持他世界强权的地位他必须这样。如果我们要保护我们在南海的利益，我们需要明白为什么中国会这样。
原文帖子：http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6867.html
下面是重点。评论：
S10 中国
1#What a piece of garbagepost.
1. China is almost a homogeneous society, with90% of the population as Han. Even most of the minority groups have beengreatly influenced by Han culture. The concept of unity is central to theculture, hence why we are the olderst continueous civilization in the world,expanding from a little patch of land near the Yellow River to the thirdlargest country in the world today. China splitting into pieces? LOL!
2. We are still the fastest growing economy inEast Asia, with our real growth rate being 9.5% in 2011. Furthermore, ourmanufacturing has seen the strongest rebound in two years since September.Philippinos trying to compare growth rate with us is laughable. Even if a poorman doubled his salary, he can't compare with a billionaire. My hometownGuangzhou, one city alone, is roughly worth 80% of Philippines' entire GDP.
3. Our claims have NOT increased since 1949. Infact, we have actually settled for less. The only difference is now that wehave the power to enforce our claims.
垃圾文章
1. 中国是最为单一属性的社会，90%是汉人，即使最大的少数民族也深受汉文化影响，统一思想是这个文化的核心。我们是世上唯一延续的文明，我们从黄河边上一隅发展成世界上第三大国，难道现在会分裂？
2. 我国仍然是东亚增长最快的经济体，2011年GDP增长率9.5%，而且工业生产也在迅速反弹。菲律宾想和我们比增长率和可笑。即使一个穷人工资翻倍，也不能喝亿万富翁相提并论。我的家乡广州一个市的GDP，就相当于菲律宾全国的80%。
3. 我们对领土的声索范围从1949年就没有增加过。唯一的不同是我们现在有实力来确保我们的声索要求。
2# Lyrical Mockery 印度
new found power. China needs tocome out of the shadows of the colonial era, the best way of doing so isprojecting power. I bet every nation would do the same.
作为新崛起的大国，中国需要走出殖民时代的阴影的最好的办法就是显示力量，我确信任何一个国家都会如此。
Methu_Xie 中国
People in western countriesalways forget that who always want to make china into mad,make china gov takeany actions under their wills.
西方人总是忘了是谁刺激了中国，总想让中国按他们的意愿行事。
rashid.sarwar 巴基斯坦
The biggest bully everexisted is US.
最大的恶棍应该是美国
Viet 越南
China as a new center of evil.Their so-called CMS unit acts like pirates, capturesour fishermen and demands money.
中国是邪恶轴心，他们所谓的“海监”如同海盗一般扣押我们的渔民掠夺财产。
djsjs 中国 回复楼上
there are many role models.
britons，mentioned in another thread ,had invaded 90% countries of theworld.
amaricans,beated Iraq & Afghanistan foroil.and support color revolutions secretly in many countries which don't wantto be followers of amarica.
Tsarist Russia occupied lands dozens of times ofit was.
..........
When China is preparing to regain the islandswhich belonged to itself,monkeys are jumping restlessly.
When the peaceful rise thwarted，what should China do?learn more from thesuperpowers.
US style :wipe out vietnam govement for thereason of weapons of mass destruction or terrorism and found a new one thatsupport China.
Russia style: occupy it and set up a vietnamprovince!
briton style: colony
.........
however, our CCP govenment is too kind to givesome sandbags to PLA.He did not even use force to regain lost ground.what apity!
邪恶有很多种，英国已经侵略过世界上90%的国家。
美国，为石油攻打阿富汗和伊拉克，在很多不愿跟随美国的国家暗地支持颜色革命。
沙俄夺取了数倍其自身的领土……………..
当中国声索本属于他的领土时，猴子们上蹿下跳。当和平崛起受阻时，中国该怎么做？多向强权学习：
美国style：摧毁越南政府，理由是制造大规模杀伤性武器，或者恐怖主义，然后组建一个亲中政权。
俄国style：吞并越南并建省。
英国style：殖民地
………………..
然而我们的tg政府太过仁慈，只给了解放军沙袋，没有动用武力夺回失地，悲剧。
NiceGuy 越南
if u see ur govt. is too weak,then,grab a gun and fight against us now,dont just keep barking like a cheap50cent warrior
如果你觉得你们政府软弱，拿枪过来打，别像一个五毛狗一样乱叫
djsjs 中国
hey ,guy! if you think I'mwrong ,you can point out it and tell us what is right.
trolling doesn't improve your personalaccomplishment!
tell us what will superpowers do to theirnaughty little neighbor.As Vietnamese, you are so lucky that you still haven'tbeen punished for doing so many stupid things.
it is not that god blessed you, but that Chinesepeople are too peace-loving.
楼上的小子，你觉得我说的不对吗？指出来，告诉我什么是对的。乱喷不能提高你的形象。告诉我超级大国应该如何对待周边的恶邻。你作为越南人应该感到庆幸，做了这么多坏事还没受到惩罚。并非有上天保佑，而是中国人太热爱和平了。
jhungary 美国（译注：此人有几分之一的中国血统）
The Universal answer of the OPfrom a Chinese member is, Blame the west for our deed, we are a peacefulpeople. LOL
Whatever people say Chinese is bad, Chinese willsay, we are bad? No way, look at the people in the west, we are not half asbad. But if the guy next to me jump off a bridge, should i follow??
Seriously, the problem is, being 90% han meaningthere WILL be supression or at least discrimination of minorityhappened to their society, this is thebasicproblem of Chiense as a society. To a country that is over 90%the same race the racial competibility will be miminal at their own society,and when those people are your minority under your society, those same peopleare majority of the other society. That translate to the racial competibility did not do well to other nations. Hence theconvertness is not doing Chinese a big favor as a world player.
With those mentality, when China face the world,chinese tend to treat people in the world as the same as their own minority(ie, there are no different to a Korean living in China and a Korean living inKorea) but the fact to the matter is, when those people are your minority, youcan afford to ignore them, but when they were in another country full of thesame people, you can't.
This explain the lack of diplomacy China havebeen dealing with the world, when they think the world is their minority, theydon't tend to help, nor attack, there are no reason to. But when a fellow HanChinese is at danger, then the Chinese will scream conspiracy or bloody murderas loud as they can.
This is the same effect, China think the worldturn around her, but not the other way around.
They weren't bully, they just don't know how todeal with international relation, like a boy's first love which he don't knowhow to handle, i know, it's kinda queer but this is IMO the best explanation.
楼主所说的中国的问题，对这里的中国人来说的通用解释就是：我们是爱好和平的，都是西方的错。一旦有人说中国不好，他们的反应是“我们坏吗？非也，看看西方人，我们连他们一半坏都不到。”但如果有人跳江，你也跟着跳吗？
说正经的，90%的汉人比例意味着压制，或者最少歧视少数民族，这是中国社会的基本状况。对于一个90%人口为同一民族的国家而言，包容性会被最小化，一部分人在你的圈子里是少数，在别的圈子里可能会是多数，这就会导致包容性出问题，这对中国在世界上的角色而言起不到好作用。
带着这种思想，当中国面对世界的时候，中国人趋向于把外国人与国内的少数民族同等对待（例如，他们对待韩国人与对待朝鲜族的态度是一样的），可现实却是，当这些人做为少数民族的时候，你可以忽略他们，但是当他们来自一个独立国家的时候，虽然是同样一群人，你却不能忽略他们。这就解释了为啥中国缺乏外交策略，当他们认为世界是他们的少数民族的时候，他们会冷漠对之，不攻击，也不帮助。当一个汉人认为他们处于危险之中时，他们使出吃奶的力气大呼阴谋，或者谋杀。
就是如此，中国认为世界只围绕着他转，他们不是恶棍，只是不知道如何处理国际关系，我知道这显得有点古怪，但他们在海洋纷争中的作为证明了这一点。
中国强硬，菲越不敌，着急，山姆助威，菲越跟着鼓掌，中国奋战山姆， 结果是山姆退场，菲越软弱哭泣，新加坡飘来嘲讽刷存在，，，巴铁全程支持中国~
近200年来谁发动最多的战争？---西方
近200年来谁奴役了最多的国家？---西方
近200年来谁给地球带来了最大的污染？---西方
近200年来谁给世界文明带来最大的毁灭？---西方
近200年来谁仅仅因为观点不同就侵略了最多的国家？--西方
大实话，当然西方和西奴第一个不同意
近200年来谁奴役了最多的国家？---西方
近200年来谁给地球带来了最大的污染？---西方
近200年来谁给世界文明带来最大的毁灭？---西方
近200年来谁仅仅因为观点不同就侵略了最多的国家？--西方
大实话，当然西方和西奴第一个不同意
动物园里的那个中国人好累啊！
近200年 是西方带领人类进入了现代文明 这点是无法否认的 这也是今天西方强势的主要原因。当然在这一过程中 西方用现代文明的力量 给世界其他文明带来了暴力和杀戮。
猴子们以后会越来越爽的
风向变了啊
猴子愤青很给力啊，真心想在还没老去之前去揍些凌辱过我们国家的人！看看挺有意思，
巴铁在很多问题上还是挺靠的住的
尼玛，怎么帖子都被审阅了
令人悲哀地是 在古代 西方文明并不是人类最优质地的文明 中国文明和阿拉伯文明都领先于西方文明 但是他们都没有能完成带领人类进入了现代文明的任务。而今天我们要关注的是：西方文明是否（像过去中国文明和阿拉伯文明那样）进入停滞和腐朽期 中国文明是否能够领导人类走入未来更先进的文明 阿拉伯文明是继续沉寂还是唤醒？
哈哈，有意思，翻译挺有水平，至少从汉字上看是这样
不错啊，尤其是那美国人的思维，真赞，这得是什么逻辑？
内容都被吞了，再发一遍
不对啊，楼主，我回复了一下怎么好多内容不见了？删掉了？
猴子表示现在忙呀！一边要发表NC言论，一边又要和狒狒来点基情，一边还要跑到阿富汗去和美军玩XX。累呀！
BigDaddyWatch 中国
The reason that China isnow being called a bully is because China has territorial disputes with herneighbours. Now it takes atleast two to have a dispute. What about theotherside of the dispute ? What makes you think that the claims of thosecountries is anymore valid than that of China's ? And why is it only calledbullying when its done by China and not let say when its done by the US ?
中国被称为恶棍是因为中国与邻国有领土争端。一个巴掌拍不响，至少需要两方才会有争端，别的争端方呢？是什么使你们认为他们的要求比中国更合理呢？为什么中国这么做会被称作恶棍，美国这么做又如何？
northeast 中国
because the brainwashingof the western media，isn't it obivious？
很明显是西方媒体的功劳
djsjs 中国（回复美国人）
@ jhungary
can you tell who is minority and who is Han inChina? even we Chinese cann't most of the time!
I have friends who are Manchu,Mongolian,Tujia,Zhuang ,Hui! if they don't tell me they are minority,i'll don't know it forever.how can an ethnic discriminate another when they cann't distinguish eachother.you are a fake China hand that you even don't know a commen sense that mostHan want to be minority（At least hope marked in ID cards）for the preferential minority policies.does a racist want to become the one discriminated?Illogical！So your argument has no foundation andcrushes.
你能在中国分辨出谁是汉族谁是少数民族吗？即使我们中国人都不能。满，蒙，土家，壮，回，都有我的朋友，如果他们不说我都不知道他们是少数民族。如果我们彼此区别都不能，怎么能有种族歧视呢？你是伪中国通，都不知道一般汉人想成为少民（至少是身份证上的），因为少民享有优惠政策。一个种族主义者会想成为被歧视的对象吗？毫无逻辑，所以你的观点毫无根据可言。
NiceGuy 越南
China is a super power?? what a cheap joke, do I need to remind you how coward China was in 1979 ??
Your govt. simply too scare to fight a realserious war with us already, so, if you wanna fight, let grab a gun and do itby your self.
中国是超级大国？廉价笑话，需要我提醒你中国在1979年表现的多么怯懦吗？你们的政府害怕和我们打仗，所以如果你想打的话，自己过来吧。
rcrmj 中国（回复美国人）
your knowledge of howChina is appalling, like a classic brainwashed westerner```you half bloodedChinese doesnt mean you know China. acctually you sound like an extreemlyignorant guy tries too much with your nonsensial 'theory
你关于中国的知识实在坑爹，典型的被洗脑的西方人，你有一半中国血统不意味着你懂中国。实际上你看上去像是一个极度无知，却有一脑子歪论。
djsjs 中国（回复越南人）
maybe not for some othercountries.but for vietnam ,China has been a superpower for several thousandsyears.
i don't know what has your CPV done to decoratethe wars in 1979.China is the winner even if it is based on the historical dataof your Defense Department.so why are you proud of a war that one army killyour people on your land?and why are you happy to be the cheerleader of yourleaders whose reckless move will invite another massacre in your country?
或许对别的国家中国算不算是超级大国，对越南却是，几千年来一直都是。关于1979年的战争我不知道你们的政府是给你宣传的，即使从你们的历史资料看，中国也是胜利方，别国军队在你们的领土上杀你们的人，这样的战争有啥可骄傲的？你在鼓动一场类似的屠杀再次发生，你却感到高兴？
rcrmj 中国
because when China wasthe superpower back then they were our lapdogs, and now they are the currentsuperpower's lapgods```nothing can change their quality
因为当中国是超级大国的时候，越南是中国的哈巴狗，现在他们是当前超级大国的哈巴狗，本性难移。
for last 200 years who waged the most wars?--thewest
for last 200 years who slaved other countries?the west
for last 200 years who brought the worstenvironmental damage to earth? the west
for last 200 years who created the worstholocaust? the west
for last 2oo years who keeps invadeing othercountries just because they have different idea? the west
and the list goes for ever```
and now I am asking you what harm did China doto the world for last 200 years?
your pathetic view of China is really disgusting
近200年来谁发动最多的战争？---西方
近200年来谁奴役了最多的国家？---西方
近200年来谁给地球带来了最大的污染？---西方
近200年来谁给世界文明带来最大的毁灭？---西方
近200年来谁仅仅因为观点不同就侵略了最多的国家？--西方
这个清单还可以继续，现在我问你中国200年来对世界做过什么坏事？你对中国的观点很让人恶心。
see1981 发表于 2012-12-20 23:10 ![]()
近200年 是西方带领人类进入了现代文明 这点是无法否认的 这也是今天西方强势的主要原因。当然在这一过程中 ...
第一点是实行第二点时带来的副作用
近200年 是西方带领人类进入了现代文明 这点是无法否认的 这也是今天西方强势的主要原因。当然在这一过程中 ...
第一点是实行第二点时带来的副作用
jhungary 美国（回复楼上）
lol I like your trollingstyle
But didn't exactly words like this make peoplethink Bully here?? Another point proven by point prover.
Since when blaming other relieve your ownproblem LOL
喜欢你乱喷的风格，这样的文字不恰好说明这些人作为恶棍的意图吗？正好是个例证，
从何时起责备其他国家具有减轻自己的问题的功能了？
kankan326 中国
Blaming US or other westerncountries doesn't relieve our problem. The question is, since China acts justlike, or even better than other big powers do. Why it is China alone who getsblamed and meanwhile US is described as an angel?
By the way, what you said about China's ethnicsituation is totally not true.
责备美国或者其他西方国家并不能减少我们问题，关键是，既然中国做派等同、甚至要好其他强权，为什么独独中国在这里被批判，而同时美国被描绘成天使呢？（注：在这个论坛里美国经常被菲律宾人和越南人当成正面力量）
顺便说下，你所说的中国种族问题，完全不真实。
lol I like your trollingstyle
But didn't exactly words like this make peoplethink Bully here?? Another point proven by point prover.
Since when blaming other relieve your ownproblem LOL
喜欢你乱喷的风格，这样的文字不恰好说明这些人作为恶棍的意图吗？正好是个例证，
从何时起责备其他国家具有减轻自己的问题的功能了？
kankan326 中国
Blaming US or other westerncountries doesn't relieve our problem. The question is, since China acts justlike, or even better than other big powers do. Why it is China alone who getsblamed and meanwhile US is described as an angel?
By the way, what you said about China's ethnicsituation is totally not true.
责备美国或者其他西方国家并不能减少我们问题，关键是，既然中国做派等同、甚至要好其他强权，为什么独独中国在这里被批判，而同时美国被描绘成天使呢？（注：在这个论坛里美国经常被菲律宾人和越南人当成正面力量）
顺便说下，你所说的中国种族问题，完全不真实。
jhungary 美国（回复楼上）
Lol the thing is, nobodysaying the west is an angel, whatever the west did we owned up the past.
Everyone did bad thing in the past, it's not asimportant for someone to do bad thing but it's more important for someone toown up their past. The problem is, we will apologise for our mistake. Chinanever will. White American apologise to American Indian for their land, Germanyapologise for WW2, White Australian apologise for the stolen generation. Whatdid china apologised to? Tienenment square? They don't even apologise to theirown people in cultral revolution..........Let alone to other 'bout theirmistake.
ANd how am i wrong with the ethnic situation inChina? Is China more divert than i say? I am not the one saying 90% Chinese areHan Chinese, how many Chinese of European decent you have? How many Chinese ofLatin Decent you have there? And how many Nergo Chinese are there?? YOu tell me90% Han is a very diverse community?
没人说西方是天使，不管过去西方做了啥，我们都认了。每个人过去都做过坏事。过去做坏事不重要，重要的是承认做过坏事。关键是我们会对过去的错误道歉。中国却从来没有。美国白人对抢夺印第安人土地道歉了，德国向二战道歉了，澳洲白人像澳洲土著道歉了。中国向谁道歉了？天安门广场？他们甚至没有因为文革向自己的人民道歉……更别说别的错误了。
关于中国的种族问题，我错了吗？中国比我说的更多元吗？90%不是我先提的，欧洲裔的中国人有多少？拉丁裔的中国人有多少？黑种中国人有多少？你能说90%的汉人是一个多元化社会？
Lol the thing is, nobodysaying the west is an angel, whatever the west did we owned up the past.
Everyone did bad thing in the past, it's not asimportant for someone to do bad thing but it's more important for someone toown up their past. The problem is, we will apologise for our mistake. Chinanever will. White American apologise to American Indian for their land, Germanyapologise for WW2, White Australian apologise for the stolen generation. Whatdid china apologised to? Tienenment square? They don't even apologise to theirown people in cultral revolution..........Let alone to other 'bout theirmistake.
ANd how am i wrong with the ethnic situation inChina? Is China more divert than i say? I am not the one saying 90% Chinese areHan Chinese, how many Chinese of European decent you have? How many Chinese ofLatin Decent you have there? And how many Nergo Chinese are there?? YOu tell me90% Han is a very diverse community?
没人说西方是天使，不管过去西方做了啥，我们都认了。每个人过去都做过坏事。过去做坏事不重要，重要的是承认做过坏事。关键是我们会对过去的错误道歉。中国却从来没有。美国白人对抢夺印第安人土地道歉了，德国向二战道歉了，澳洲白人像澳洲土著道歉了。中国向谁道歉了？天安门广场？他们甚至没有因为文革向自己的人民道歉……更别说别的错误了。
关于中国的种族问题，我错了吗？中国比我说的更多元吗？90%不是我先提的，欧洲裔的中国人有多少？拉丁裔的中国人有多少？黑种中国人有多少？你能说90%的汉人是一个多元化社会？
这个帖子里面的中国人反击有力啊 {:soso_e142:}
白皮猪老是要充当国际道德卫士，但一被扒殖民历史，就连裤衩都不剩了 {:soso_e120:}
白皮猪老是要充当国际道德卫士，但一被扒殖民历史，就连裤衩都不剩了 {:soso_e120:}
这帖子里的回复很有意识，中国的回复很有水平，美国的还是一贯的自以为是，菲越是无知的两种典型表现，新加坡在最后出来刷存在感时说的话的确能体现智商上的优越感…
jhungary 美国（回复楼上）
Lol the thing is, nobodysaying the west is an angel, whatever the west did we owned up the past.
Everyone did bad thing in the past, it's not asimportant for someone to do bad thing but it's more important for someone toown up their past. The problem is, we will apologise for our mistake. Chinanever will. White American apologise to American Indian for their land, Germanyapologise for WW2, White Australian apologise for the stolen generation. Whatdid china apologised to? Tienenment square? They don't even apologise to theirown people in cultral revolution..........Let alone to other 'bout theirmistake.
ANd how am i wrong with the ethnic situation inChina? Is China more divert than i say? I am not the one saying 90% Chinese areHan Chinese, how many Chinese of European decent you have? How many Chinese ofLatin Decent you have there? And how many Nergo Chinese are there?? YOu tell me90% Han is a very diverse community?
没人说西方是天使，不管过去西方做了啥，我们都认了。每个人过去都做过坏事。过去做坏事不重要，重要的是承认做过坏事。关键是我们会对过去的错误道歉。中国却从来没有。美国白人对抢夺印第安人土地道歉了，德国向二战道歉了，澳洲白人像澳洲土著道歉了。中国向谁道歉了？tiananmen广。场？他们甚至没有因为wenge向自己的人民道歉……更别说别的错误了。
关于中国的种族问题，我错了吗？中国比我说的更多元吗？90%不是我先提的，欧洲裔的中国人有多少？拉丁裔的中国人有多少？黑种中国人有多少？你能说90%的汉人是一个多元化社会？
Lol the thing is, nobodysaying the west is an angel, whatever the west did we owned up the past.
Everyone did bad thing in the past, it's not asimportant for someone to do bad thing but it's more important for someone toown up their past. The problem is, we will apologise for our mistake. Chinanever will. White American apologise to American Indian for their land, Germanyapologise for WW2, White Australian apologise for the stolen generation. Whatdid china apologised to? Tienenment square? They don't even apologise to theirown people in cultral revolution..........Let alone to other 'bout theirmistake.
ANd how am i wrong with the ethnic situation inChina? Is China more divert than i say? I am not the one saying 90% Chinese areHan Chinese, how many Chinese of European decent you have? How many Chinese ofLatin Decent you have there? And how many Nergo Chinese are there?? YOu tell me90% Han is a very diverse community?
没人说西方是天使，不管过去西方做了啥，我们都认了。每个人过去都做过坏事。过去做坏事不重要，重要的是承认做过坏事。关键是我们会对过去的错误道歉。中国却从来没有。美国白人对抢夺印第安人土地道歉了，德国向二战道歉了，澳洲白人像澳洲土著道歉了。中国向谁道歉了？tiananmen广。场？他们甚至没有因为wenge向自己的人民道歉……更别说别的错误了。
关于中国的种族问题，我错了吗？中国比我说的更多元吗？90%不是我先提的，欧洲裔的中国人有多少？拉丁裔的中国人有多少？黑种中国人有多少？你能说90%的汉人是一个多元化社会？
kankan326 中国（回复楼上）
Did France say sorry toGermany for occupying Alsace-Lorraine in WW2? No, because Alsace-Lorraine is adisputed land and French believe it belongs to them. American did apologize toAmerican Indians. Did Indians get their land back? No. We would like to saysorry to Vietnamese and Philippines if they agree to give the islands up.
Most ridiculous of all, why do you think adiverse races community is superior than one race community? Is that becausewestern countries have diverse races? You are really narrow-minded guy. Thereare many one race countries. Japan, Korea, Vietnam.
法国可曾为在二战中占领德国的阿尔萨斯-洛林道歉？没有，因为阿尔萨斯-洛林是一块争议土地，法国人认为本来就是他们的。美国确实向印第安人道歉了，但印第安人把他们的土地拿回来了吗？没有。我也可以向越南和菲律宾道歉。只要他们肯放弃占据的岛屿。
最可笑的一点是，为啥你认为多元化社会比单一种族社会优越呢？难道原因仅仅是因为西方国家是多元化社会？你真是思维简单，世上还有很多单一种族国家，日本，韩国，越南。
Did France say sorry toGermany for occupying Alsace-Lorraine in WW2? No, because Alsace-Lorraine is adisputed land and French believe it belongs to them. American did apologize toAmerican Indians. Did Indians get their land back? No. We would like to saysorry to Vietnamese and Philippines if they agree to give the islands up.
Most ridiculous of all, why do you think adiverse races community is superior than one race community? Is that becausewestern countries have diverse races? You are really narrow-minded guy. Thereare many one race countries. Japan, Korea, Vietnam.
法国可曾为在二战中占领德国的阿尔萨斯-洛林道歉？没有，因为阿尔萨斯-洛林是一块争议土地，法国人认为本来就是他们的。美国确实向印第安人道歉了，但印第安人把他们的土地拿回来了吗？没有。我也可以向越南和菲律宾道歉。只要他们肯放弃占据的岛屿。
最可笑的一点是，为啥你认为多元化社会比单一种族社会优越呢？难道原因仅仅是因为西方国家是多元化社会？你真是思维简单，世上还有很多单一种族国家，日本，韩国，越南。
jhungary 美国（回复楼上）
Dude, if you are notfamilize about the American Indian issue please do not say anything. AmericanIndian Conservation have their own land, except for taxation purpose, FederalUS government CANNOT enforce its law on their own reservation. exccept of courseserious and federal crime.
And dude, why would you need to say sorry tooccupy Germany when they freaking LOSE A WAR? The whole Germany were occupiedas per Allied demilitarisation plan, as far as i know GErmany lose the wartwice, and Germany never re-annex Alsace-Lorraine after WW1. France ownAlsace-Lorraine, if Germany Defeat France again, then they can talk.
Finally, yes Vietnam, Japan and Korea is also asingle Strait people, but any one of this is in the permanent seat of the UNSCand anyone of this is in the world stage of Diplomacy?? NO, only China wasunder the spotlight as of now. They all have similar policy to China (Sucked upto one Sugar Daddy, China -> was Russia, Vietnam -> Still Russia, Japan-> Still US, Korean -> Still US.
All their dipomacy politic are the same, butonly China is on the spot light as they claim they want to become a Superpower.Not Vietnam, not Japan, not Korea
如果你不熟悉美国印第安人的问题就不要说，美国给了印第安人保留地，印第安人有自己的土地，除了税收的目的，联邦政府不能把自己的法律强加于保留地，除非严重触犯联邦法律。
为啥要对德国说抱歉呢？德国不是输了二战吗？整个德国都在盟国的占领之下，据我所知德国输了两次，从一战后就没占领过阿尔萨斯-洛林（注：显然他忘了二战德国占领法国全境了），如果德国再次击败法国，他就可以占领（注：自相矛盾了）。
最后，是的，越南日本韩国是单一种族国家，但是他们不是安理会常任理事国，他们可曾在世界外交舞台上发挥重要作用？否，只要中国在闪光灯下，他们和中国都有相似的政策，但是只有中国想成为超级大国。
kankan326 中国（回复楼上）
Reservation, what a warmword! Americans are so kind offering Indians "reservation".
No country ever said sorry for occupyingdisputed land. France didn't say sorry to Germany. UK didn't say sorry toArgentina. Russia and Korea didn't say sorry to Japan. Janpan, Philippine,Vietnam didn't say sorry to China. So why you ask China to say sorry forclaiming her lands?
I gotta say your mind is getting disordered.What I see is your attitude to China is too harsh. China must do something thatothers don't have to. China must not do something that others can do. You haveprejudice to China and are not qualified to judge China.
“保留地”，多么温暖的词汇！能向印第安人提供保留地，美国人真是太仁慈了。
世上没有哪个国家曾经因为占领争议领土而道歉，法国没有向德国说过“sorry”。英国没有向阿根廷说过“sorry”，俄国和韩国没有向日本说过“sorry”，日本菲律宾越南没有向中国说过“sorry”，那你为啥要让中国因为索要他的领土而说“sorry”呢？
我得说你现在思维已经混乱了。我所看到的，是你对中国太过苛刻，中国必须做某样事同时别的国家则不必做，中国必须不能做的事而别的国家可以做。你对中国抱有偏见，所以没资格评价中国。
Dude, if you are notfamilize about the American Indian issue please do not say anything. AmericanIndian Conservation have their own land, except for taxation purpose, FederalUS government CANNOT enforce its law on their own reservation. exccept of courseserious and federal crime.
And dude, why would you need to say sorry tooccupy Germany when they freaking LOSE A WAR? The whole Germany were occupiedas per Allied demilitarisation plan, as far as i know GErmany lose the wartwice, and Germany never re-annex Alsace-Lorraine after WW1. France ownAlsace-Lorraine, if Germany Defeat France again, then they can talk.
Finally, yes Vietnam, Japan and Korea is also asingle Strait people, but any one of this is in the permanent seat of the UNSCand anyone of this is in the world stage of Diplomacy?? NO, only China wasunder the spotlight as of now. They all have similar policy to China (Sucked upto one Sugar Daddy, China -> was Russia, Vietnam -> Still Russia, Japan-> Still US, Korean -> Still US.
All their dipomacy politic are the same, butonly China is on the spot light as they claim they want to become a Superpower.Not Vietnam, not Japan, not Korea
如果你不熟悉美国印第安人的问题就不要说，美国给了印第安人保留地，印第安人有自己的土地，除了税收的目的，联邦政府不能把自己的法律强加于保留地，除非严重触犯联邦法律。
为啥要对德国说抱歉呢？德国不是输了二战吗？整个德国都在盟国的占领之下，据我所知德国输了两次，从一战后就没占领过阿尔萨斯-洛林（注：显然他忘了二战德国占领法国全境了），如果德国再次击败法国，他就可以占领（注：自相矛盾了）。
最后，是的，越南日本韩国是单一种族国家，但是他们不是安理会常任理事国，他们可曾在世界外交舞台上发挥重要作用？否，只要中国在闪光灯下，他们和中国都有相似的政策，但是只有中国想成为超级大国。
kankan326 中国（回复楼上）
Reservation, what a warmword! Americans are so kind offering Indians "reservation".
No country ever said sorry for occupyingdisputed land. France didn't say sorry to Germany. UK didn't say sorry toArgentina. Russia and Korea didn't say sorry to Japan. Janpan, Philippine,Vietnam didn't say sorry to China. So why you ask China to say sorry forclaiming her lands?
I gotta say your mind is getting disordered.What I see is your attitude to China is too harsh. China must do something thatothers don't have to. China must not do something that others can do. You haveprejudice to China and are not qualified to judge China.
“保留地”，多么温暖的词汇！能向印第安人提供保留地，美国人真是太仁慈了。
世上没有哪个国家曾经因为占领争议领土而道歉，法国没有向德国说过“sorry”。英国没有向阿根廷说过“sorry”，俄国和韩国没有向日本说过“sorry”，日本菲律宾越南没有向中国说过“sorry”，那你为啥要让中国因为索要他的领土而说“sorry”呢？
我得说你现在思维已经混乱了。我所看到的，是你对中国太过苛刻，中国必须做某样事同时别的国家则不必做，中国必须不能做的事而别的国家可以做。你对中国抱有偏见，所以没资格评价中国。
NiceGuy 越南
Hoang Sa(Paracel isl) isjust a group of useless barren rocks , why must we waste our time for takingback those useless ones ?? Controlling 40 isl in Spartly is quite enough for usalready. All we want now is sucking up all oil from SCS(east sea) and defendour EEZ, that's enough .
pls note that: our EEZ is the most importantpart in SCS(east sea)bcz all ships sail from Middile East to China must passthrough it.If we cover our EEZ with sea mine, then China;s economy willcollapse
长沙群岛只不过是一群没用荒凉的石头，为啥我们要在这些无用之物上浪费时间呢？控制40个岛对我们来说已经足够了，我们所要的就是把下面的油抽上来并保护我们的专属经济区。
S10 中国（回复前面越南人说中国海监是海盗的帖子）
You've been harassingour fishermen in the area since the 1980's. Suddenly when we retaliate youcan't take it and cry like litle punks. We'll be doing alot more of that, justto let you taste your own medicine.
你们从80年代就一直骚扰我们的渔民，突然我们开始反击了，你们接受不了并且哭的像个废物，后面还有更厉害的手段等着你们，你们自食其果吧。
BigDaddyWatch 中国（回复美国人说中国想要成为超级大国的帖子）
When did China claimthat it wants to become a superpower ?
什么时候中国声称要成为超级大国了？
doidoi2 中国（回复美国人）
As much as I amimpressed with your ability to invent words out of thin air (that's a great onebtw, familize, AWESOME!)., I can't help but admire your logic that NativeAmericans got a good deal because the Feds let them keep some exemptions andtheir land and allow them to build casinos after stealing their lands andkilling their people.
I would like to apply this same logic to, say,California. I say if China has the might, then China should occupy Californiaand kill half your family, then kill off the other half in periodic racialcullings (gotta reduce the red/white man population ya know), treat them withextreme prejudice then herd the surviving people of California into remotecamps in the california desert. But HEY! all will be well because we will allowthe people of California to build casinos in death valley and grant them someexemptions!
As for what the justification of it might be..well the Answer is in your second paragraph. "And dude, whywould you need to say sorry to occupy Germany when they freaking LOSE A WAR?" What awesome logic. I truly admire suchsimplicity in thinking. In essence, might makes right? So if we have the mightto take the islands by force, that makes China right? If the other nations wantthe lands back, they should win a war against China first? Hey, China won'teven have to say sorry! I mean, "whywould you need to say sorry to occupy Germany when they freaking LOSE A WAR?"
Bravo sir, impeccable logic. Thank you for yourthoughts. Please come back again soon.
我对你没理找三分的能力印象深刻（喝彩），不得不对你的逻辑表示钦佩，在联邦政府夺取他们的土地杀他们的人民之后，给他们一片保留地，美国土著真是赚了。
我想利用下你的逻辑，如果中国强大了，占领了加利福尼亚，杀了一半加州人（得降低人口啊，你懂的），以极端态度对待剩下的，驱赶他们到加州沙漠。但是别紧张，一切都ok，因为我们允许他们在加州死亡之谷建保留地，并赋予他们一些自治权。
至于啥是正义，答案在你的第二个回复里“如果德国再次击败法国，他就可以占领”，多么赞的逻辑，我却是赞成如此直白的想法。就是说，力量决定正义？所以如果我们有力量占领这些岛屿，那中国就占理了，对不对？如果其他的国家想把土地夺回来，就得先打败中国，对不对？中国甚至不必说“sorry”。正如你的意思“既然德国输掉了战争，为啥要说抱歉呢？”
喝彩，完美的逻辑，谢谢你的想法，希望你尽快再次回来。
Hoang Sa(Paracel isl) isjust a group of useless barren rocks , why must we waste our time for takingback those useless ones ?? Controlling 40 isl in Spartly is quite enough for usalready. All we want now is sucking up all oil from SCS(east sea) and defendour EEZ, that's enough .
pls note that: our EEZ is the most importantpart in SCS(east sea)bcz all ships sail from Middile East to China must passthrough it.If we cover our EEZ with sea mine, then China;s economy willcollapse
长沙群岛只不过是一群没用荒凉的石头，为啥我们要在这些无用之物上浪费时间呢？控制40个岛对我们来说已经足够了，我们所要的就是把下面的油抽上来并保护我们的专属经济区。
S10 中国（回复前面越南人说中国海监是海盗的帖子）
You've been harassingour fishermen in the area since the 1980's. Suddenly when we retaliate youcan't take it and cry like litle punks. We'll be doing alot more of that, justto let you taste your own medicine.
你们从80年代就一直骚扰我们的渔民，突然我们开始反击了，你们接受不了并且哭的像个废物，后面还有更厉害的手段等着你们，你们自食其果吧。
BigDaddyWatch 中国（回复美国人说中国想要成为超级大国的帖子）
When did China claimthat it wants to become a superpower ?
什么时候中国声称要成为超级大国了？
doidoi2 中国（回复美国人）
As much as I amimpressed with your ability to invent words out of thin air (that's a great onebtw, familize, AWESOME!)., I can't help but admire your logic that NativeAmericans got a good deal because the Feds let them keep some exemptions andtheir land and allow them to build casinos after stealing their lands andkilling their people.
I would like to apply this same logic to, say,California. I say if China has the might, then China should occupy Californiaand kill half your family, then kill off the other half in periodic racialcullings (gotta reduce the red/white man population ya know), treat them withextreme prejudice then herd the surviving people of California into remotecamps in the california desert. But HEY! all will be well because we will allowthe people of California to build casinos in death valley and grant them someexemptions!
As for what the justification of it might be..well the Answer is in your second paragraph. "And dude, whywould you need to say sorry to occupy Germany when they freaking LOSE A WAR?" What awesome logic. I truly admire suchsimplicity in thinking. In essence, might makes right? So if we have the mightto take the islands by force, that makes China right? If the other nations wantthe lands back, they should win a war against China first? Hey, China won'teven have to say sorry! I mean, "whywould you need to say sorry to occupy Germany when they freaking LOSE A WAR?"
Bravo sir, impeccable logic. Thank you for yourthoughts. Please come back again soon.
我对你没理找三分的能力印象深刻（喝彩），不得不对你的逻辑表示钦佩，在联邦政府夺取他们的土地杀他们的人民之后，给他们一片保留地，美国土著真是赚了。
我想利用下你的逻辑，如果中国强大了，占领了加利福尼亚，杀了一半加州人（得降低人口啊，你懂的），以极端态度对待剩下的，驱赶他们到加州沙漠。但是别紧张，一切都ok，因为我们允许他们在加州死亡之谷建保留地，并赋予他们一些自治权。
至于啥是正义，答案在你的第二个回复里“如果德国再次击败法国，他就可以占领”，多么赞的逻辑，我却是赞成如此直白的想法。就是说，力量决定正义？所以如果我们有力量占领这些岛屿，那中国就占理了，对不对？如果其他的国家想把土地夺回来，就得先打败中国，对不对？中国甚至不必说“sorry”。正如你的意思“既然德国输掉了战争，为啥要说抱歉呢？”
喝彩，完美的逻辑，谢谢你的想法，希望你尽快再次回来。
甭管猴子们干什么都是扯淡，咱么就一个字，斩
jhungary 美国（回复楼上）
lol i was typing that 4am in the morning, there bound to be some typo...
You can come to california and try to kill halfthe population, IF YOUCAN DO IT.
Do you even know the meaning of sovereignty??
Under the UN PUblic Law Forum, law ofsovereignty is said to be a country with a population and a functioninggovernment. The term "Government" does not suitable to use by tribalruling, American indian is a tribe so we are "Legally" grabbing theland of America. So what you said is NOT POSSIBLE as California already haveState Government and a Federal Government with a population to govern. You cantry and come to California and kill half of the californian,, if you can. Seriouslyi don't very much like California anyway. IF you want to try, then come try
Oh wait, you would say, yeah the west twistedthe law so they make ntheir claim legal. The problem is you know China say yesto law of sovereignty, you know why? If they don't agree, they have to giveback the northern part of China to indigenous personnel.
Are you familiar with the people in tibet and the people in Mongol??
So yes, China is as much bad as the west in thisissue.
About war loser and apologise, did Chinese apologiseto the Vietnamese when they took Paracel from them in 1974? Did China returnedthe Island yet??
Oh yes, CHinese are gonna say Vietnam is thepart of China, well, tell that to the vietnamese, or Paracel were Chinese tostart with or whatever, but truth be told, China took Paracel from Vietnamesein 1974 it was vietnamese administration BEFORE CHINA TOOK Paracel. Set asideall the claim, should China return the island to Vietnam before claiming thelegal right of the Island.
Then what about AC? Did you return and apologiseto Indian yet??
Well, Chinese Government don;t just think what isaid was right, but also doing what i said. So are you actually Chinese?? Howthe heck you don't know they have beendoing what i was saying??
Or you said When Chinese use the word i say isok, but when the west do it, they need to apologise, is it what you mean??
我在凌晨4点打字，看来还得接着打。
如果你想杀掉一半的加州人，那你就过来，如果你有那本事的话。
你知道到底啥是主权吗？
联合国的法律认为，一个主权国家应该是具有相当人口并有完全功能的政府，“政府”在这里不适合部落统治，印第安人属于部落，所以我们合法的取得了美洲领土，而加州则不同，是有政府的。
是的，中国比西方做的差远了，关于失败者和道歉的事，当中国1974年从越南夺取西沙群岛的时候道歉了吗？中国归还这些岛了吗？（注：为啥要道歉？关于这个问题我以前好像跟他说过了）中国或许要是越南曾是中国的一部分，跟越南人说去吧，或许又会说“西沙自古属于中国”，但是真相是中国在1974年从越南手里强了西沙，在此之前是越南人在管理西沙，而不是中国人。别的就不说了，中国打算把西沙还给越南吗？
还有阿克赛钦怎么办？你们还给印度了吗？
doidoi2 中国（回复美国人）
lol, so angry. No keepto get angry on an internet forum. Sounds like someone needs a hug!
No, I don't want to kill half of California.(OK, Maybe some of the actors in LA deserve a good beating, but I'm good withmost Californians!) I'm just pointing out how weak and stupid your argumentsounds.
I mean, Native Americans are good because theyhave their own indian reservations? LOL?
China isn't perfect either, but compared to someof the atrocities committed by the US in recent history, China's practicallysaintly. The most brutal acts China has committed has been against its ownpeople, unfortunately.
And no, Vietnam isn't a part of China. Nor do wewant it to be. But you have to acknowledge the fact that Nations often havedisagreements, and you cannot just take a side and call the other side wrongbecause it suits your purposes. This is exactly what the Western Media hasdone. This is wrong.
All interference will do is harm all partyinvolved. It's not even in Vietnam's or Philippines interest to have the USintervene. All the US will do is egg the participants on and have the stupidpeople in Vietnam and Philippines do the dirty work for them. Why shouldAmerica spend a dime or risk a life when Vietnamese and Filipinos will die forthem to contain China?
In that respect, the Indians and the Koreans areactually much smarter about the situation than Vietnam and Filipinos. They knowto get the most advantage out of the situation they must remain neutral. Theworld is changing, and their strategy changed to adapt.
All I'm saying it's brilliant strategy on the USfront on a short term basis. It's Win to the US to foment Asian conflict IN THESHORT TERM and if you look at the world as a zero sum game. It's just too badthat Asia has to loses for the US to win in this scenario.
Long term though, that strategy is a loser.China will inevitably rise just as the US will inevitably decline. When thetime comes, the US will realize how foolish it was to have tried to contain aRising China using other Asian nations. why? because in doing so, they arethrowing away the biggest leverage they have to balance China: the goodwill ofthe Chinese people.
生气了？没必要在论坛上生气。
我没想过要杀一半的加州人（当然加州好莱坞的演员有个此想法，我对加州无恶感），我只是想支持你的理论有多么荒谬。
美国人因为给印第安人自留地而善良？
当然中国也不完美，但是和美国在近代所为相比，中国所作相当不错了。中国所作的最残忍的事是对其人民，很不幸。
越南不是中国的一部分，我们也不想要，但是你应该知道国家之间经常有分歧，你不能只是出于自身立场而仅站在一方的观点上说话，这正是西方媒体的作为，当然是错误的。
外部势力干预对谁都不利，美国参与其中甚至对越南和菲律宾都没好处。美国所作的是丛恿愚蠢的越南人和菲律宾人为他的利益卖命，为啥在鼓动越菲的时候美国人自己不出牺牲呢？
从这点看，印度和韩国比越菲聪明多了，他们知道骑墙的好处，世界在变化，他们的策略也在调整。
我所说的是，这符合美国的短期策略，亚洲国家相互冲突使美国渔利，这是很不幸的。
长远看，美国终将成为此策略的失利方，中国不可避免的崛起，美国不可避免的衰退，到那时候，美国就会意思到当初用亚洲国家遏制中国有多么愚蠢，为啥呢？因为他们这么做会使美国丧失其制衡中国的最大的杠杆-------中国人民对美国的好感。
lol i was typing that 4am in the morning, there bound to be some typo...
You can come to california and try to kill halfthe population, IF YOUCAN DO IT.
Do you even know the meaning of sovereignty??
Under the UN PUblic Law Forum, law ofsovereignty is said to be a country with a population and a functioninggovernment. The term "Government" does not suitable to use by tribalruling, American indian is a tribe so we are "Legally" grabbing theland of America. So what you said is NOT POSSIBLE as California already haveState Government and a Federal Government with a population to govern. You cantry and come to California and kill half of the californian,, if you can. Seriouslyi don't very much like California anyway. IF you want to try, then come try
Oh wait, you would say, yeah the west twistedthe law so they make ntheir claim legal. The problem is you know China say yesto law of sovereignty, you know why? If they don't agree, they have to giveback the northern part of China to indigenous personnel.
Are you familiar with the people in tibet and the people in Mongol??
So yes, China is as much bad as the west in thisissue.
About war loser and apologise, did Chinese apologiseto the Vietnamese when they took Paracel from them in 1974? Did China returnedthe Island yet??
Oh yes, CHinese are gonna say Vietnam is thepart of China, well, tell that to the vietnamese, or Paracel were Chinese tostart with or whatever, but truth be told, China took Paracel from Vietnamesein 1974 it was vietnamese administration BEFORE CHINA TOOK Paracel. Set asideall the claim, should China return the island to Vietnam before claiming thelegal right of the Island.
Then what about AC? Did you return and apologiseto Indian yet??
Well, Chinese Government don;t just think what isaid was right, but also doing what i said. So are you actually Chinese?? Howthe heck you don't know they have beendoing what i was saying??
Or you said When Chinese use the word i say isok, but when the west do it, they need to apologise, is it what you mean??
我在凌晨4点打字，看来还得接着打。
如果你想杀掉一半的加州人，那你就过来，如果你有那本事的话。
你知道到底啥是主权吗？
联合国的法律认为，一个主权国家应该是具有相当人口并有完全功能的政府，“政府”在这里不适合部落统治，印第安人属于部落，所以我们合法的取得了美洲领土，而加州则不同，是有政府的。
是的，中国比西方做的差远了，关于失败者和道歉的事，当中国1974年从越南夺取西沙群岛的时候道歉了吗？中国归还这些岛了吗？（注：为啥要道歉？关于这个问题我以前好像跟他说过了）中国或许要是越南曾是中国的一部分，跟越南人说去吧，或许又会说“西沙自古属于中国”，但是真相是中国在1974年从越南手里强了西沙，在此之前是越南人在管理西沙，而不是中国人。别的就不说了，中国打算把西沙还给越南吗？
还有阿克赛钦怎么办？你们还给印度了吗？
doidoi2 中国（回复美国人）
lol, so angry. No keepto get angry on an internet forum. Sounds like someone needs a hug!
No, I don't want to kill half of California.(OK, Maybe some of the actors in LA deserve a good beating, but I'm good withmost Californians!) I'm just pointing out how weak and stupid your argumentsounds.
I mean, Native Americans are good because theyhave their own indian reservations? LOL?
China isn't perfect either, but compared to someof the atrocities committed by the US in recent history, China's practicallysaintly. The most brutal acts China has committed has been against its ownpeople, unfortunately.
And no, Vietnam isn't a part of China. Nor do wewant it to be. But you have to acknowledge the fact that Nations often havedisagreements, and you cannot just take a side and call the other side wrongbecause it suits your purposes. This is exactly what the Western Media hasdone. This is wrong.
All interference will do is harm all partyinvolved. It's not even in Vietnam's or Philippines interest to have the USintervene. All the US will do is egg the participants on and have the stupidpeople in Vietnam and Philippines do the dirty work for them. Why shouldAmerica spend a dime or risk a life when Vietnamese and Filipinos will die forthem to contain China?
In that respect, the Indians and the Koreans areactually much smarter about the situation than Vietnam and Filipinos. They knowto get the most advantage out of the situation they must remain neutral. Theworld is changing, and their strategy changed to adapt.
All I'm saying it's brilliant strategy on the USfront on a short term basis. It's Win to the US to foment Asian conflict IN THESHORT TERM and if you look at the world as a zero sum game. It's just too badthat Asia has to loses for the US to win in this scenario.
Long term though, that strategy is a loser.China will inevitably rise just as the US will inevitably decline. When thetime comes, the US will realize how foolish it was to have tried to contain aRising China using other Asian nations. why? because in doing so, they arethrowing away the biggest leverage they have to balance China: the goodwill ofthe Chinese people.
生气了？没必要在论坛上生气。
我没想过要杀一半的加州人（当然加州好莱坞的演员有个此想法，我对加州无恶感），我只是想支持你的理论有多么荒谬。
美国人因为给印第安人自留地而善良？
当然中国也不完美，但是和美国在近代所为相比，中国所作相当不错了。中国所作的最残忍的事是对其人民，很不幸。
越南不是中国的一部分，我们也不想要，但是你应该知道国家之间经常有分歧，你不能只是出于自身立场而仅站在一方的观点上说话，这正是西方媒体的作为，当然是错误的。
外部势力干预对谁都不利，美国参与其中甚至对越南和菲律宾都没好处。美国所作的是丛恿愚蠢的越南人和菲律宾人为他的利益卖命，为啥在鼓动越菲的时候美国人自己不出牺牲呢？
从这点看，印度和韩国比越菲聪明多了，他们知道骑墙的好处，世界在变化，他们的策略也在调整。
我所说的是，这符合美国的短期策略，亚洲国家相互冲突使美国渔利，这是很不幸的。
长远看，美国终将成为此策略的失利方，中国不可避免的崛起，美国不可避免的衰退，到那时候，美国就会意思到当初用亚洲国家遏制中国有多么愚蠢，为啥呢？因为他们这么做会使美国丧失其制衡中国的最大的杠杆-------中国人民对美国的好感。
个人突然觉得“西方”一词有点打击面过大～树敌过多之闲。 当然只要拳头硬，谁不服灭谁～
Viet 越南（回复楼上）
LOL let me guess, youwere educated in a CCP youth school, right?
The sentences you wrote are more or less copiedtexts from Global Times.
我猜你是tg党校毕业的，是吗？你写的这段有点象《环球时报》的内容。
auspice 菲律宾
So sad why China changeits course? instead of becoming a peace-police in the region, China becomes thereason of uncertainties, disturbances and troubles in the region.
那么为啥中国要改变原来的策略？不是变成地区和平力量，而是成为地区的麻烦制造者？
djsjs 中国（回复楼上）
Somali pirates have thesame complaint with you.
索马里海盗和你有同样的质疑。
auspice 菲律宾（回复楼上）
just remember, for yourevery action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
记住，你们的每一个动作，别人都会有相应的反制动作
djsjs 中国（回复楼上）
crying is the mostcommom reaction of disobedient child being punished.
对于因为不听话而被罚的孩子来说，哭是最常见的动作。
rashid.sarwar 巴基斯坦
Vietnam and speciallyPhilippine should be very careful not to become pawn of US.
Whatever consequences will be, the people ofsaid countries will suffer the most impact.
越南，尤其是菲律宾应该小心别成为美国的马前卒，无论最后结局如何，小国都会是最大的受害者。
kankan326 中国（回复美国人关于1974年夺越南西沙的帖子）
You are good at atfinding excuses. Who told you tribal ppl's lands can be grabbed at will. Okaylet me make a concession, hypothetically you are right, California was grabbedby USA from Mexico, which was obviously not a tribal ruling country. Does uncleSam feel guilty and plan to return it to Mexico?
Regarding Xisha islands, I feel funny that youstarted your theory from 1974. Should we judge the ownership of an asset aftera thief has finished his work? When the WW2 was over, it was China who got theright to accept Japanese surrender in SCS. So China has legal reasons to takethese islands back. It's an award for our huge sacrifice and contribution tothe war. Back then Vietnam didn't even exist.
你在找借口方面很有一套，谁告诉你部落的土地可以随意夺取了？好吧，让我们退一步讲，假设你是对的，但加州是美国从墨西哥手里夺来的，墨西哥显然不是部落社会，山姆大叔有负罪感并打算归还加州吗？
关于西沙群岛，我感觉你很可笑，你的理论居然是从1974年开始算起的，难道我们应该在小偷得手后才开始确认所有权吗？当第二次世界大战结束的时候，是中国被赋予权力在南海接受日本投降，所以中国有法律依据收回这些岛屿，这是对中国在二战中的巨大牺牲和贡献的奖励。在那时候越南甚至都不存在。
ahfatzia 新加坡（回复巴基斯坦人的帖子）
Yep, both of them areencouraged and embolden by the uncle to bad mouth China constantly. You hardlyhear the other disputed adversaries doing the same.
Aquino just appoints a new ambassador and wantsto talk but at the same time he and his FM, del Rosario, bombard theinternational media with all kinds of negative messages and is not the firsttime either. What a dumb combo!
是的，菲越都是受了山姆大叔的鼓动，到处说中国的坏话，其他争议国家没人这么做。
阿基诺三世刚任命了新的大使想跟中国协商，但与此同时外长德萨里奥对媒体狂轰滥炸的传送负面消息，这不是第一次了，真蠢。
auspice 菲律宾（回复楼上）
I applaud PresidentAquino and his FM for standing up to a bully. No one should steal othercountry's property. It is wrong to steal. Chinese should know that. Perhaps tothe Chinese good neighborliness means submitting to their bullying and intimidation.Peace and stability to them is putting to prison and torturing theirdissidents.
The Philippinesmove alone dashed China into anxiety by exposing their greedy, bullying andshameful acts. Any move that will internationalize this matter will freak-outChina into nervous breakdown. China’s population is growing rapidly and soonwill not be able to sustain its people. That’s why they want to taketerritories as much as they can to be able to feed them in years to come. ThePhilippines should not stop getting world attention in this regard. This isplainly unconstitutional as per International Law. Maybe the Chinese leaders donot understand as it is in English. Why not translate it in Chinese language?
对阿基诺总统和德萨里奥能站出来反抗的精神鼓掌，谁也不能偷取他国财产，偷窃是错误的，中国人应该明白这个道理，或许对中国而言，好邻居就意味着向其强权和威胁低头，稳定就意味着监狱和酷刑。
ahfatzia 新加坡（回复楼上）
In my opinion thebig mouth of del Rosario and the indecisiveness of Aquino create more problemsto the Filipinos and the country of Philippines rather than helping both.
我认为阿基诺的大嘴和优柔寡断给菲律宾制造了更多的麻烦
LOL let me guess, youwere educated in a CCP youth school, right?
The sentences you wrote are more or less copiedtexts from Global Times.
我猜你是tg党校毕业的，是吗？你写的这段有点象《环球时报》的内容。
auspice 菲律宾
So sad why China changeits course? instead of becoming a peace-police in the region, China becomes thereason of uncertainties, disturbances and troubles in the region.
那么为啥中国要改变原来的策略？不是变成地区和平力量，而是成为地区的麻烦制造者？
djsjs 中国（回复楼上）
Somali pirates have thesame complaint with you.
索马里海盗和你有同样的质疑。
auspice 菲律宾（回复楼上）
just remember, for yourevery action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
记住，你们的每一个动作，别人都会有相应的反制动作
djsjs 中国（回复楼上）
crying is the mostcommom reaction of disobedient child being punished.
对于因为不听话而被罚的孩子来说，哭是最常见的动作。
rashid.sarwar 巴基斯坦
Vietnam and speciallyPhilippine should be very careful not to become pawn of US.
Whatever consequences will be, the people ofsaid countries will suffer the most impact.
越南，尤其是菲律宾应该小心别成为美国的马前卒，无论最后结局如何，小国都会是最大的受害者。
kankan326 中国（回复美国人关于1974年夺越南西沙的帖子）
You are good at atfinding excuses. Who told you tribal ppl's lands can be grabbed at will. Okaylet me make a concession, hypothetically you are right, California was grabbedby USA from Mexico, which was obviously not a tribal ruling country. Does uncleSam feel guilty and plan to return it to Mexico?
Regarding Xisha islands, I feel funny that youstarted your theory from 1974. Should we judge the ownership of an asset aftera thief has finished his work? When the WW2 was over, it was China who got theright to accept Japanese surrender in SCS. So China has legal reasons to takethese islands back. It's an award for our huge sacrifice and contribution tothe war. Back then Vietnam didn't even exist.
你在找借口方面很有一套，谁告诉你部落的土地可以随意夺取了？好吧，让我们退一步讲，假设你是对的，但加州是美国从墨西哥手里夺来的，墨西哥显然不是部落社会，山姆大叔有负罪感并打算归还加州吗？
关于西沙群岛，我感觉你很可笑，你的理论居然是从1974年开始算起的，难道我们应该在小偷得手后才开始确认所有权吗？当第二次世界大战结束的时候，是中国被赋予权力在南海接受日本投降，所以中国有法律依据收回这些岛屿，这是对中国在二战中的巨大牺牲和贡献的奖励。在那时候越南甚至都不存在。
ahfatzia 新加坡（回复巴基斯坦人的帖子）
Yep, both of them areencouraged and embolden by the uncle to bad mouth China constantly. You hardlyhear the other disputed adversaries doing the same.
Aquino just appoints a new ambassador and wantsto talk but at the same time he and his FM, del Rosario, bombard theinternational media with all kinds of negative messages and is not the firsttime either. What a dumb combo!
是的，菲越都是受了山姆大叔的鼓动，到处说中国的坏话，其他争议国家没人这么做。
阿基诺三世刚任命了新的大使想跟中国协商，但与此同时外长德萨里奥对媒体狂轰滥炸的传送负面消息，这不是第一次了，真蠢。
auspice 菲律宾（回复楼上）
I applaud PresidentAquino and his FM for standing up to a bully. No one should steal othercountry's property. It is wrong to steal. Chinese should know that. Perhaps tothe Chinese good neighborliness means submitting to their bullying and intimidation.Peace and stability to them is putting to prison and torturing theirdissidents.
The Philippinesmove alone dashed China into anxiety by exposing their greedy, bullying andshameful acts. Any move that will internationalize this matter will freak-outChina into nervous breakdown. China’s population is growing rapidly and soonwill not be able to sustain its people. That’s why they want to taketerritories as much as they can to be able to feed them in years to come. ThePhilippines should not stop getting world attention in this regard. This isplainly unconstitutional as per International Law. Maybe the Chinese leaders donot understand as it is in English. Why not translate it in Chinese language?
对阿基诺总统和德萨里奥能站出来反抗的精神鼓掌，谁也不能偷取他国财产，偷窃是错误的，中国人应该明白这个道理，或许对中国而言，好邻居就意味着向其强权和威胁低头，稳定就意味着监狱和酷刑。
ahfatzia 新加坡（回复楼上）
In my opinion thebig mouth of del Rosario and the indecisiveness of Aquino create more problemsto the Filipinos and the country of Philippines rather than helping both.
我认为阿基诺的大嘴和优柔寡断给菲律宾制造了更多的麻烦
胡，总算补发上来了，评论中间多了一些wenge，tiananmen之类的河蟹词汇（该死的美国香蕉人），现在总算全了
胡，总算补发上来了，评论中间多了一些wenge，tiananmen之类的河蟹词汇（该死的美国香蕉人），现在总算全了
有水平！
我要天使 发表于 2012-12-20 23:25 ![]()
NiceGuy 越南
Hoang Sa(Paracel isl) isjust a group of useless barren rocks , why must we waste our t ...
doidoi2 这个网友碉堡了！
NiceGuy 越南
Hoang Sa(Paracel isl) isjust a group of useless barren rocks , why must we waste our t ...
doidoi2 这个网友碉堡了！
巴铁评论一如既往，不过最后新加坡怒刷一把存在感
好文，辛苦了，必须支持下。看起来还都是在自己国家的立场上发言啊，谁也说服不了谁，主观意识太强了。我们还要努力些时间，让自己更强，才能“说服”人啊”
光碎了 发表于 2012-12-20 23:09 ![]()
动物园里的那个中国人好累啊！
最累的时候已经过去了，比如2004-2008年，一两人对阵一伙是常事，PFF还算是友好论坛，PDF就被毁了。欧洲的sinodefence就不同了，而三哥的IDF就简直象厕所。
CD坛里不知有没人听说过中印网民的维基大战？关于1962 conflict. 当时的中国人主要是海外华人，人数远不如印度人多，但是坚持不懈，绝不认输。
动物园里的那个中国人好累啊！
最累的时候已经过去了，比如2004-2008年，一两人对阵一伙是常事，PFF还算是友好论坛，PDF就被毁了。欧洲的sinodefence就不同了，而三哥的IDF就简直象厕所。
CD坛里不知有没人听说过中印网民的维基大战？关于1962 conflict. 当时的中国人主要是海外华人，人数远不如印度人多，但是坚持不懈，绝不认输。
挺有意思
其实我觉得杀来杀去的不好，至少要含蓄一点