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为何中国认为他能够吞并南中国海？
Why China Thinks It Can Annex The South China Sea
原文链接：http://www.businessinsider.com/china-south-china-sea-2012-11
Why China Thinks It Can Annex The South China Sea
Michael Kelley | Dec. 1, 2012, 3:28 PM
It seems that China, or at least part of it, has thrown down the gauntlet in the South China Sea with the announcement that police in the southern island province of Hainan will board and search ships which enter what China considers its territory in the disputed waters.
Before discussing the implications of the "revised regulations," it's helpful to know why China thinks it can commandeer the territory in the first place. In October James R. Holmes of NamViet News cited the book "How Communists Negotiate" to note that going into negotiations "Chinese communists try to rig the game in their favor" by trying to force the opposite side to agree to Beijing's bargaining positions as a condition for convening talks.
China's currently claims everything within the "nine-dashed line" – which takes in about 90 percent of the South China Sea – and now its law enforcement will act to defend it.
中国（或者说中国的一部分）似乎已经在南海下了挑战书。他们声明，对于侵入这块中国声明主权的争议水域的船只，海南省的海警将会登船搜查。
在讨论这个“修订条例”背后的含义之前，我们应该首先看一下为什么中国认为这块水域属于自己。在十月份，NamViet News的James R. Holmes 引用了《共产主义者如何谈判》一书，指出在谈判中，中共为了让结果有利于自己一方，将强迫对方承认中国的（优势）谈判地位作为举行会谈的条件。
中国现在对九段线内的全部领土（共占整个南海的90%）均申明了主权。现在他们的法律将对这部分领土进行保护。
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In August the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China stated: "China has indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and adjacent waters. This is supported by clear historical facts."
(Note: A 2008 U.S. diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks reported that a senior Chinese government maritime law expert "admitted" he was unaware of the historical basis for the nine dashes.)
China's stance makes diplomacy difficult since negotiation, as Holmes notes, "presupposes give-and-take between two parties. But indisputable means indisputable."
Consequently, the Hainan decree raises the stakes in the region's territorial disputes and creates immediate problems for other claimant countries as well as the world economy.
U.S. Energy Information Administration
As James Fallows of the Atlantic points out, "Brunei is a very long way from mainland China, but China contends that its waters reach practically down to Brunei's shores."
八月份中国外交部声明：“中国对南沙群岛及其附近海域拥有无可争辩的主权，中国在南海的主张有充分的历史依据“。
（注：根据维基解密显示，一份2008年的美国外交电报记载了一位中国资深海事法律专家承认自己并不了解中国九段线的历史依据）
中国在南海所持的立场使得通过外交方式解决争议问题变得困难，正如 Holmes 所说，“外交是需要双方的妥协的，但“无可争辩”意味着无话可谈”。
因此，中国在南海争议地区的领土主张将立即在区域引发各种问题，并波及世界经济。
美国能源信息管理局
正如大西洋月刊的 James Fallows所指出的那样，“文莱里中国大陆很远，但中国却将边界划到了文莱的海岸线附近”。
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He also notes that some of the affected shipping lanes "have nothing directly to do with mainland China" since export paths from Japan, South Korea and Taiwan pass through the waters on their way to the Indian Ocean while half the world's oil-cargo traffic from the Middle East travels the route in the opposite way.
Yesterday Dr. Ely Ratner, a Fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told BI gthat the situation is "an incredibly difficult problem" that will come down to how far China is willing to go in terms of getting out on the high seas and arresting fishermen and others who think they're within their rights to be in the disputed waters.
China will dictate how heated things get, but there's no doubt that the Red Dragon is aggressively staking out its position.
"It is easy to imagine things becoming dangerous, quickly, if the new Chinese administration actually tries to carry out this order," Fallows wrote. "A Chinese government deliberately courting this kind of showdown would be a very bad sign."
他也指出一些受影响的航道“和中国大陆并没有直接关系”。 因为日本，韩国和台湾的出口货物要经过这片水域通往印度洋，而来自中东的一半石油巨轮也会经过这片水域。
昨天，来自新美国安全中心(Center for a New American Security)的Ely Ratner博士对BIg（原文BI gthat应该是打错了）说，这种状况是“非常棘手的“。 而事件的发展取决于中国在公海的活动以及中国是否会拘捕相关的渔民以及拘捕某些认为自己有权在该海域活动的外国人士。
中国将决定事件的激化程度，毫无疑问，红色巨龙正在有攻击性地标示自己的立场。
“只要中国新一届管理层给出这样一个命令，事情是很容易发展到危险的地步。”Fallows写道，“中国政府故意地表示这种摊牌将是一个很糟糕的信号。”
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HawaiiReally?
on Dec 1, 3:46 PM said:
Hillary Clinton said, on Nov 29, the Chinese had threatened to claim Hawaii as a Chinese territory in a meeting during the recent East Asia Summit.
Clinton, rightly, told the Chinese to f-off, diplomatically.
The standard propaganda line from the Chinese, "You (the US) annexed Hawaii in the 19th century, purchased Alaska, etc. Learn history!"
This is an irrelevant point. The only relevant point is whether the people of Hawaii wish to be part of the US. They do.
Where a population is held hostage against their will? Tibet.
The article shows what the Chinese are about to do to their neighbors next.
在11月29，希拉里克林顿说，在最近的东亚峰会上，中国人威胁说要宣称夏威夷为中国领土。
克林顿立即婉转的告诉中国人滚远点
中国人用标准的宣传辞令：“你们美国人在19世纪吞并夏威夷，购买 阿拉斯加州 等等，学学历史”
这根本就没有什么关联性 ，关键要看夏威夷人民是否希望成为美国的一部分，而他们确实希望。
哪里的人民在不情愿的情况下被当作人质？西藏
这篇文章显示了下一步中国人将会对它的邻居采取什么样的行动
Bob William Knight
on Dec 1, 7:52 PM said:
@HawaiiReally?: people oh Hawaii do not wat the U.S.there
夏威夷人不想美国在那
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MG
on Dec 1, 4:00 PM said:
Their position seems much more than the US's position regarding the invasion, occupation of Iraq or for that matter, most of the US positions over the last decade plus
他们的立场似乎比美国人立场更适合考虑入侵占领伊拉克或者其他什么的， 就此而言，这就是美国在过去十几年所做的事情
mary pham
on Dec 1, 6:17 PM said:
@MG: So that is a Chinese justification? 2 wrongs will make 1 right? Shame !
这就是中国人行为的正当理由？错错得正？真羞耻！（这句的意思应该是中国人自己做错了然后挑美国人的错。既然大家都有错那就是大家都没错）
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Paul Johnson
on Dec 1, 4:45 PM said:
Whoever put that claims chart together must be colorblind. Why would you use the same brown color for Taiwanese land, and Indonesian land? Are the PRC and Taiwanese claims coextensive, because there are no brown claim lines drawn in?
把这些图形混在一起的人一定是个色盲，为什么你一定要用同样的褐色标注台湾和印度尼西亚，PRC和台湾难道都要扩张么？仅仅因为没把褐色的线画进去
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LetsBombThem
on Dec 1, 5:13 PM said:
are we going to let China put smaller countries around?
WE are the only country that gets to push other countries around!
我们难道要允许中国来摆布小国么？
我们才是唯一能摆布其他国家的国家
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henry ford
on Dec 1, 6:11 PM said:
Not only that Brunei is along way from China, Chinese claim even extends 500+ km further south into area between EEZ's of Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. This map was first surfaced in China by the nationalists in 1947 as an 11 dash ( cow tongue ) drawing of ancient Chinese commerce tracings, bearing no claim of sovereignty. In fact, even Taiwanese ( nationalists ) and Chinese maps printed before 1960's indicated the southern most point of Chinese territory is Hainan island.
不仅远离中国的文莱， 中国甚至还在马来西亚，新加坡以及印度尼西亚的专属经济区内多延伸了500多千米的领海范围，这个地图是在1947年被国民党绘制的，作为一个打了11个折（牛舌）（指转了好多弯）的中国古代商贸航线并没有体现宣称主权。事实上，即便是台湾的（国民党）和中国的在60年代之前印制的地图也表明海南岛才是中国最南端的领土（海南岛以南的部分都不属于中国）。
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Additionally, while Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam all occupied 1 or more islands in these waters, China never had ownership of even 1 islands until 1974 and 1988 when their navy attacked Vietnam and took control of some islands. The first time China officially showed this map, internationally was in 2009 to meet a deadline of UN Laws of the Sea Conference. No explanation and detail was given as to whether or not China disputed other claims and/or staked a claim for this sea. Since then, Chinese militia fishing boats and heavily armed navy vessels have harassed fishermen, oil survey ships... militarizing the region, building army bases, issuing passports with disputed map as part of China and now, this decree, attempting to violate international laws concerning freedom of navigation. While the affected countries are arming themselves as well as pushing for diplomatic resolutions, they are not making progresses against the relentless Chinese assault. It's time for the civilized international communities to organize a more effective opposition to this lawless behavior. A bully China will only step back when faced with superior strength and united forces.
此外，文莱，马来西亚，印度尼西亚，菲律宾和越南在这片水域占领一个或多个岛屿额时候， 中国在南海上从来就没有拥有过任何岛屿，只有在1974年和1988年的时候，中国海军袭击越南时，中国人才控制了一些岛屿。2009年在联合国海洋法会议的最后期限，中国官方才第一次向国际社会展示了这个地图。并不清楚中国是否对这片海有其他的主权宣称。从那时起，中国武装渔船和重武装的海军船只就骚扰渔民和石油勘探船，，，，，，，将该区域军事化，建立军事基地，现在颁发有争议的中国地图护照， 而中国最新公布的这个法令违反了有关自由航行的国际法 。受影响的国家正在武装自己并推动外交解决，但他们并没有采取有效措施抵御住中国无情的袭击。是时候文明的国际社会组织起来抵御这个无法无天的行为，霸道的中国只会在面对更强的和联合起来的力量后才会后退
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Bully Americans
on Dec 2, 8:37 AM said:
@Henry ford: A bully Untied States will only step back when faced with superior strength and united forces and that is why Iran wants nukes. Shameless Americans screwed the world 100x over and no one is holding them accountable. G. Bush should have been tried as a war criminal for attacking Iraq and let the US soldiers raped and tortured. Disgusting white men !
霸道的美国只有在面对更强的和联合起来的力量前才会后退，这就是为什么伊朗想要核武器，不要脸的美国人艹了这个世界100X，没人能够让他们负起责任， 乔治布什侵略了伊拉克，让士兵们强奸，肆虐，所以他应该被判刑才对。 恶心的白人
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robert123
on Dec 1, 6:27 PM said:
When China was weak other countries took their lands. Now that China is strong, China wants their lands back.
当中国弱的时候其他国家占领他的土地，现在中国强了，中国要把土地要回来
Dan Dinh
on Dec 3, 3:50 AM said:
@robert123: The Southeast Asia Sea is never in history as a part of China so how come they want it back whether it is weak or strong?
东南亚海在历史上从来就不是中国的一部分，无论中国是否强弱。他们怎么会想要回来？
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Tak Masa
on Dec 1, 6:38 PM said:
The ambition of China to expand territorial possessions beyond the border is obvious.
China’s imperialism backed with powerful military forces including nuclear warhead is the greatest threat to the bordering nations including Japan.
中国超出边界扩张领土的野心很明显。
包括核弹头在内的军事力量的增强，中国的帝国主义回来了，这对包括日本在内的周边国家构成了威胁
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Chinese demonstrators shouted the demand for extermination of Japanese people with nuclear attacks. http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-demonstrators-call-for-nuclear-extermination-of-japanese-wild-dogs-2012-9
It was very scary.
Therefore, Japanese began to feel the necessity of possessing own nuclear defense force.
中国的示威者叫嚣着用核袭击来消灭日本人
这真可怕
因此日本人开始感觉到有必要持有自己的核防卫力量
samxy
on Dec 1, 7:55 PM said:
@Tak Masa: "The ambition of China to expand territorial possessions beyond the border is obvious."?!!
China is ambition in south China Sea??? My God. China is in her own China Sea is ambition??? It is China Sea. YOU ARE CLAIM SOME ONE AMBITION IN HIS OWN HOUSE.
Japan (WWII Criminal) feel uncomfortable?!! Is China take Japan Sea?
Tak Masa:"中国超越边界扩张领土的野心很明显“？！！中国在南中国海有野心？？？上帝呀，中国在她自己的海域被称作野心？？？这是中国海，你称一个在自己房子里人为有野心。
日 本二战罪犯感觉不舒服了？！！ 是中国占了日本海么？
Millie Cooper
on Dec 1, 9:33 PM said:
@Tak Masa: "Chinese demonstrators shouted the demand for extermination of Japanese people with nuclear attacks"
That's exactly what American rednecks wanted to Afghanistan.
中国的示威者叫嚣着用核袭击来消灭日本人
这完全就像是美国乡下佬想要对阿富汗那样做的
mark murphy
on Dec 1, 11:45 PM said:
@samxy: South China Sea is just a geographical referenced point, used by the Western ocean travelers 1500-1600's time frame. Sea names don't necessarily associate with ownership, for example Indian ocean is not owned by India. South China Sea is called East Sea by Vietnamese and West Philippines Sea by the Philippines. Please read some other books beside Chinese's to learn facts.
南中国海只不过是个地理称呼，被西方旅行者在1500-1600时期定义，海的名字并不一定关系到拥有者，例如印度洋并不是被印度所有，南中国海被越南称为东海，被菲律宾称为西菲律宾海，请读点中国以外的书学学真相
Read books
on Dec 2, 8:40 AM said:
@mark murphy: Vietnam did not exist until the Yuan dynasty.
直到元朝越南才存在
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mark murphy
on Dec 2, 6:26 PM said:
@Read books: Vietnamese identity as being tribal dated back to 2900 BC, occupying areas of now western coast of Hainan, coastal part of Guangdong and most of modern north Vietnam. Always pressured by ancient China, this Viet identified tribe survived, expanded. merged and migrated south along the coast line of what's now South China Sea. Along this 5,000 years of history ( 1,000 of which was ruled as Chinese colony and 3,000 years self-ruled but subordinated to imperial China by calling itself, small kingdom ), Vietnam declared nationhood in 1009 with the name Dai Viet or Great Viet and the king elevated to Emperor, equal status with China. Hanoi just celebrated 1,000 years being the capitol of that nation in 2009. The name Vietnam ( or the Viet of the south in Vietnamese ) was 1st introduced in 1802 by Gia Long Emperor after absorbing the nation of Champa ( now central Vietnam ) and part of Khmer empire ( now Cambodia ).
Regardless of how you defined nationhood, Vietnam can relate back to thousands of years of nation forming and exists officially as a independent but small empire since 1,009, long before Chinese Yuan dynasty of 1271.
越南作为部落历史能够被追溯到公元前2900，占据了现在的海南西海岸，广东海岸的部分地区和现在北越的大部分。期间一直被古中国所压制，越南作为部落幸存，扩张，合并，沿着现在的南中国海岸线向南移民。有着5000年历史的越南（其中1000年被中国人统治殖民， 3000年独立，但是以小藩国的名义从属于中华帝国）在1009年宣布独立，名字叫Dai Viet或者叫Great Viet（大越），国王晋升为皇帝，和中国地位持平。2009年河内庆祝了作为国家首都的1000年庆典。越南这个名字是嘉庆皇帝在吸收了占婆（现越南中部）和高棉帝国的部分地区（现柬埔寨）之后册封的。（实际情况为：1802年，阮福映在法国支持下灭西山朝，建立阮朝，之后接受中国清朝的嘉庆帝的更改册封为“越南国王”，正式建立新国号为“越南”。） 无论你怎么定义建国，根据官方越南作为一个小的帝国独立都能追述到1009年， 比1271年的元朝帝国还要早
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crusader80
on Dec 1, 6:42 PM said:
Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guantanamo, Guam, Saipan, Wake, Midway, Johnston....
夏威夷，波多黎各，关塔那摩，关岛，塞班，威克岛，中途岛，约翰斯顿，，，，
All hope is lost
on Dec 2, 2:56 PM said:
@crusader80: Did anyone see the video of a US senator talking about sending more troops to Guam? Its hilarious, its a small island and if you send too many troops the island might CAPSIZE !!
Hank Johnson (Congress D-GA) - Warns Guam May Capsize
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA
美国 的一个参议员 谈论派更多的军队进入关岛的视频有人看过么？这真令人捧腹。你要是往这样一个小岛派驻这么多军队，它可能会倾覆！！
Hank Johnson(Congress D-GA) -警告关岛可能会倾覆
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end the wars
promote to the Board Room. on Dec 1, 7:32 PM said:
Good for china, hell the u.s. t hinks it owns the water off of iran, and every other country in the world, so what the hell why shouldnt china follow the u.s. example at least the south china sea is in the chinese area of influence where as the neocons in the u.s. gov think everything in the world is their domain, good for china.
中国好样的，美国下地狱吧，美国认为他拥有伊朗和世界上其他所有国家之外的水域，所以为什么中国就不能追随美国这个例子，至少南中国海在中国的影响能力之下，而美国政府里的保守派认为他们能控制世界的每个地方，中国好样的
ha ha ha ha
on Dec 2, 8:42 AM said:
@3d: You are the one who needs to crawl out of your red neck parents basement.
哈哈哈哈
你真应该从你那无知的父母那里学会怎么东东脑子
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end the wars
on Dec 2, 11:05 AM said:
@3d: So it is ok for the u.s. to have over 800 military bases world wide , many of which surround iran , and its is ok for the u.s. to send aircraft carriers right off the shores of any and every country in the world, and when china moves to protect its sphere of influence everyone in the neocon dual israeli controlled u.s. gov aka puppet of israel, they have a shit fit, I personally would like to see china send this aircraft carrier right into the gulf of mexico, the u.s. gov is nothing but a rouge war machine.
美国在世界范围内有800个军事基地就ok!?而且许多还围着伊朗，美国派航母全世界四处游弋就ok? 当中国开始采取行动保护的自己的势力范围的时候 则影响到了每一个双面犹太人保守党，这些人控制着美国政府作为以色列的傀儡，他们就能干些P事，我个人更希望看见中国航母开进墨西哥湾，而美国政府只不过是个烧红了的战争机器
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Samxy
on Dec 1, 7:48 PM said:
Nine dash line was in 1940 Chinese map. Who ruled China then? It is not by CCP then for sure. Why no one complained then? Why China do something in SOUTH CHINA SEA bother the country which is thousands mile away? Look the most recent 300 year history book, it is China suffer from West Powers and Japan.
1940年的九段虚线地图 ，这时候谁在统治中国，肯定不是CCP， 为什么当时就没有人抱怨呢？ 为什么中国在南中国海做事的时候会骚扰到上千英里远的国家？看看最近300年的历史书，中国一直都在被西方列强和日本欺负。
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China only take back whatever islands which were belong to her for hundred years. What is problem for America? China do not take Texas from Mexico, do not make New Mexico state, China do not start WWII. In this world "Free Press" to make robber as justice person, to make WWII war criminal Japan as victim. Let open Republic of China (Taiwan) map to see where is the Chinese territory. The largest Island in south china sea is still under Republic of China.
中国只是拿回那些已经属于她几百年的岛屿，这个美国人有什么关系？中国并没有从墨西哥抢来德克萨斯，也没有建立新墨西哥州，中国没有发动二战，这个世界的“自由媒体”把强盗塑造成好人，把二战战犯日本当成受害者。在中华民国（台湾）的地图上看看中国的领土。南中国海上最大的岛屿仍然被中华民国控制
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Tak Masa
on Dec 1, 8:39 PM said:
It is said that Mao Tse-tung, Chinese infamous communist despot, had invaded Tibet in 1949, murdered several million Tibetan people, and had murdered their own 70 million people on the Great Leap Forward started in 1958 and the Cultural Revolution launched in 1966.
Tibetan people are still suffering from Chinese occupation, and nearly 70 young monks have performed self-burning for protest to Chinese brutal suppression.
The great tragedy in Tibet executed by Chinese communist tyranny is now under way in your face.
中国有名的共产主义暴君毛泽东在1949年入侵了西藏，杀死了上百万的西藏人， 1958年的大跃进和1966年的文革总共杀害死了7000万的中国人 。
西藏人民现在仍旧承受着中国人的占领，有近70个年轻的喇嘛自焚来抗议中国的残酷镇压。
中国共党的暴政导致了西藏的各种惨剧，而这一切都是在你的眼皮底下发生的
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C.J.
on Dec 2, 12:29 AM said:
The Chinese are not worried about fishing boats from Brunei.
China realizes that, in order to reach their ultimate goal of eliminating any US naval presence in the East Pacific, they must first have uncontested control of the near zones.
The immedaite goal is the seizure of Taiwan.
Over time, this zone of control will expand. The Phillipine's Luzon Island, South Korea and Japan's Kyushu Island are ALL in the crosshairs.
Remember, only America's pacifists and "progressives" have renounced war.
中国人担心的不是文莱的渔船
中国意识到，为了达到驱逐美国海军在东太平洋的势力这一终极目标，他们必须毫无争议的控制邻近区域
当务之急就是夺取台湾
随着时间推移，控制的范围将会扩大。菲律宾吕宋岛，韩国和日本九州岛都在夺取目标之列。
记住，只有美国的反战分子和改革派放弃战争。
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Tak Masa
on Dec 2, 5:51 AM said:
The indirect aggression to Taiwan by China almost gets closer to completion. A large quantity of Chinese immigrants got into Taiwan, and three of four Taiwanese main newspapers already went over to the hand of the Chinese capital. Thus, China came to be able to manipulate Taiwanese public opinion freely. The Ma Ying-jeou government is expected to enter the Chinese complete reign without war soon.
中国对台湾的间接入侵已经快成功了，大量中国移民进入台湾，三分之四的台湾主流报纸在中国资产控制之下。因此，中国能自由操纵台湾的公众意见。马英九政府正期望通过和平手段回归中国。
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On the other hand, China has the outright intention to steal Okinawa that is a territory of Japan. Several Okinawa-based newspapers of the left wing ruled over by Chinese covert operatives are agitating for the opposition movement to the United States Armed Forces which are stationed in Okinawa.
Interesting news was reported recently that a high ranked Chinese official suggested to Secretary of State Clinton even Hawaii is a Chinese territory.
There is no end to the ambition for expanding territories of China.
China is the Nazi of the 21st century, and she has become the world most hated nation.
另一方面，中国一直觊觎日本的冲绳。在中方秘密的控制与策划下，冲绳的左翼报纸正在煽动民众反对美国在冲绳的驻军。
最近有一个有趣的报道：一名中方高官向国务卿希拉里表示，夏威夷也是中国领土的一部分。
中国扩张领土的野心是没有尽头的。中国就是21世纪的纳粹，是当今世界最被仇恨的国家。
Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint
on Dec 2, 1:28 PM said:
@Tak Masa: What does Taiwan's passport say?? It is the Republic of China!!! Its constitution is to reunite back with China. People in Taiwan want to go back to China. What have you been smoking? You Japs should face up to your WWII crime and declare the truth about your aggression to the rest of Asian nations, the comfort women, biological warfare experiment in China, and so on.
日本曾经是，现在仍然是东方的纳粹国家。
@Tak Masa：台湾的护照上怎么写的？？上面写的是中华民国（Republic of China）！这意味着他们将要和中国大陆重新联合。台湾的人们希望统一。你们日本人应该正视你们在二战中犯下的罪行，承认你们对亚洲国家的侵略，承认在生化实验中残害中国人，承认强征慰安妇等等事实！
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Onkinawa is an independent nation prior to the invasion of Japan, and so is Dan Yu Tai Islands off Taiwan's coast, just look how far it is from Japanese main island.
You should put words in your mouth that there is no end to the ambition for expanding territories of Japan. Japan was and still is the Nazi of the 21st century, and she has been the world most hated thug.
冲绳在日本入侵以前是一个独立的国家， 而靠近台湾海岸的钓鱼岛之前也是一个独立的国家，看看这个岛屿离日本本土有多远吧 。
你应该说的是，拥有无止境领土扩张野心的国家是日本。
日本是21世纪的纳粹，她是世界上最令人讨厌的强盗。
（注：大陆人称钓鱼岛，日本人称尖阁群岛，台湾人称钓鱼台）
ashleyhk
on Dec 3, 7:00 AM said:
@Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint: Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint
Japan was etc.
Why do polls consistently show 80-85% of Taiwanese do NOT want to "reunite" with China?
When is China going to admit to the 50 million deaths caused by Mao's policies during the Great Leap Forward? My wifes grandparents starved to death in Sichuan, the breadbasket of China.
Nobody likes present day China. Hong Kong people, Singaporeans, wherever, loathe Mainland Chinese people.
Reflect on this.
为什么民意测试显示有80-85%的台湾人不想“回归”中国？
什么时候中国才会承认因为毛在大跃进的政策导致5千万人死亡。我妻子的祖父母在四川饿死的，而四川是中国的粮仓。
没人喜欢现今的中国，香港人，新加坡人，或者其他什么地方的，憎恶中国大陆人
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Pathcoin
on Dec 2, 4:38 PM said:
China thinks it can see annex the South China Seas because it sees American as a declining world power. It is expanding into the vacuum.
中国以为他能吞并南中国海，因为他看见美国作为超级大国的衰退，他要填补真空
为何中国认为他能够吞并南中国海？
Why China Thinks It Can Annex The South China Sea
原文链接：http://www.businessinsider.com/china-south-china-sea-2012-11
Why China Thinks It Can Annex The South China Sea
Michael Kelley | Dec. 1, 2012, 3:28 PM
It seems that China, or at least part of it, has thrown down the gauntlet in the South China Sea with the announcement that police in the southern island province of Hainan will board and search ships which enter what China considers its territory in the disputed waters.
Before discussing the implications of the "revised regulations," it's helpful to know why China thinks it can commandeer the territory in the first place. In October James R. Holmes of NamViet News cited the book "How Communists Negotiate" to note that going into negotiations "Chinese communists try to rig the game in their favor" by trying to force the opposite side to agree to Beijing's bargaining positions as a condition for convening talks.
China's currently claims everything within the "nine-dashed line" – which takes in about 90 percent of the South China Sea – and now its law enforcement will act to defend it.
中国（或者说中国的一部分）似乎已经在南海下了挑战书。他们声明，对于侵入这块中国声明主权的争议水域的船只，海南省的海警将会登船搜查。
在讨论这个“修订条例”背后的含义之前，我们应该首先看一下为什么中国认为这块水域属于自己。在十月份，NamViet News的James R. Holmes 引用了《共产主义者如何谈判》一书，指出在谈判中，中共为了让结果有利于自己一方，将强迫对方承认中国的（优势）谈判地位作为举行会谈的条件。
中国现在对九段线内的全部领土（共占整个南海的90%）均申明了主权。现在他们的法律将对这部分领土进行保护。
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In August the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China stated: "China has indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and adjacent waters. This is supported by clear historical facts."
(Note: A 2008 U.S. diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks reported that a senior Chinese government maritime law expert "admitted" he was unaware of the historical basis for the nine dashes.)
China's stance makes diplomacy difficult since negotiation, as Holmes notes, "presupposes give-and-take between two parties. But indisputable means indisputable."
Consequently, the Hainan decree raises the stakes in the region's territorial disputes and creates immediate problems for other claimant countries as well as the world economy.
U.S. Energy Information Administration
As James Fallows of the Atlantic points out, "Brunei is a very long way from mainland China, but China contends that its waters reach practically down to Brunei's shores."
八月份中国外交部声明：“中国对南沙群岛及其附近海域拥有无可争辩的主权，中国在南海的主张有充分的历史依据“。
（注：根据维基解密显示，一份2008年的美国外交电报记载了一位中国资深海事法律专家承认自己并不了解中国九段线的历史依据）
中国在南海所持的立场使得通过外交方式解决争议问题变得困难，正如 Holmes 所说，“外交是需要双方的妥协的，但“无可争辩”意味着无话可谈”。
因此，中国在南海争议地区的领土主张将立即在区域引发各种问题，并波及世界经济。
美国能源信息管理局
正如大西洋月刊的 James Fallows所指出的那样，“文莱里中国大陆很远，但中国却将边界划到了文莱的海岸线附近”。
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He also notes that some of the affected shipping lanes "have nothing directly to do with mainland China" since export paths from Japan, South Korea and Taiwan pass through the waters on their way to the Indian Ocean while half the world's oil-cargo traffic from the Middle East travels the route in the opposite way.
Yesterday Dr. Ely Ratner, a Fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told BI gthat the situation is "an incredibly difficult problem" that will come down to how far China is willing to go in terms of getting out on the high seas and arresting fishermen and others who think they're within their rights to be in the disputed waters.
China will dictate how heated things get, but there's no doubt that the Red Dragon is aggressively staking out its position.
"It is easy to imagine things becoming dangerous, quickly, if the new Chinese administration actually tries to carry out this order," Fallows wrote. "A Chinese government deliberately courting this kind of showdown would be a very bad sign."
他也指出一些受影响的航道“和中国大陆并没有直接关系”。 因为日本，韩国和台湾的出口货物要经过这片水域通往印度洋，而来自中东的一半石油巨轮也会经过这片水域。
昨天，来自新美国安全中心(Center for a New American Security)的Ely Ratner博士对BIg（原文BI gthat应该是打错了）说，这种状况是“非常棘手的“。 而事件的发展取决于中国在公海的活动以及中国是否会拘捕相关的渔民以及拘捕某些认为自己有权在该海域活动的外国人士。
中国将决定事件的激化程度，毫无疑问，红色巨龙正在有攻击性地标示自己的立场。
“只要中国新一届管理层给出这样一个命令，事情是很容易发展到危险的地步。”Fallows写道，“中国政府故意地表示这种摊牌将是一个很糟糕的信号。”
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HawaiiReally?
on Dec 1, 3:46 PM said:
Hillary Clinton said, on Nov 29, the Chinese had threatened to claim Hawaii as a Chinese territory in a meeting during the recent East Asia Summit.
Clinton, rightly, told the Chinese to f-off, diplomatically.
The standard propaganda line from the Chinese, "You (the US) annexed Hawaii in the 19th century, purchased Alaska, etc. Learn history!"
This is an irrelevant point. The only relevant point is whether the people of Hawaii wish to be part of the US. They do.
Where a population is held hostage against their will? Tibet.
The article shows what the Chinese are about to do to their neighbors next.
在11月29，希拉里克林顿说，在最近的东亚峰会上，中国人威胁说要宣称夏威夷为中国领土。
克林顿立即婉转的告诉中国人滚远点
中国人用标准的宣传辞令：“你们美国人在19世纪吞并夏威夷，购买 阿拉斯加州 等等，学学历史”
这根本就没有什么关联性 ，关键要看夏威夷人民是否希望成为美国的一部分，而他们确实希望。
哪里的人民在不情愿的情况下被当作人质？西藏
这篇文章显示了下一步中国人将会对它的邻居采取什么样的行动
Bob William Knight
on Dec 1, 7:52 PM said:
@HawaiiReally?: people oh Hawaii do not wat the U.S.there
夏威夷人不想美国在那
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MG
on Dec 1, 4:00 PM said:
Their position seems much more than the US's position regarding the invasion, occupation of Iraq or for that matter, most of the US positions over the last decade plus
他们的立场似乎比美国人立场更适合考虑入侵占领伊拉克或者其他什么的， 就此而言，这就是美国在过去十几年所做的事情
mary pham
on Dec 1, 6:17 PM said:
@MG: So that is a Chinese justification? 2 wrongs will make 1 right? Shame !
这就是中国人行为的正当理由？错错得正？真羞耻！（这句的意思应该是中国人自己做错了然后挑美国人的错。既然大家都有错那就是大家都没错）
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Paul Johnson
on Dec 1, 4:45 PM said:
Whoever put that claims chart together must be colorblind. Why would you use the same brown color for Taiwanese land, and Indonesian land? Are the PRC and Taiwanese claims coextensive, because there are no brown claim lines drawn in?
把这些图形混在一起的人一定是个色盲，为什么你一定要用同样的褐色标注台湾和印度尼西亚，PRC和台湾难道都要扩张么？仅仅因为没把褐色的线画进去
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LetsBombThem
on Dec 1, 5:13 PM said:
are we going to let China put smaller countries around?
WE are the only country that gets to push other countries around!
我们难道要允许中国来摆布小国么？
我们才是唯一能摆布其他国家的国家
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henry ford
on Dec 1, 6:11 PM said:
Not only that Brunei is along way from China, Chinese claim even extends 500+ km further south into area between EEZ's of Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. This map was first surfaced in China by the nationalists in 1947 as an 11 dash ( cow tongue ) drawing of ancient Chinese commerce tracings, bearing no claim of sovereignty. In fact, even Taiwanese ( nationalists ) and Chinese maps printed before 1960's indicated the southern most point of Chinese territory is Hainan island.
不仅远离中国的文莱， 中国甚至还在马来西亚，新加坡以及印度尼西亚的专属经济区内多延伸了500多千米的领海范围，这个地图是在1947年被国民党绘制的，作为一个打了11个折（牛舌）（指转了好多弯）的中国古代商贸航线并没有体现宣称主权。事实上，即便是台湾的（国民党）和中国的在60年代之前印制的地图也表明海南岛才是中国最南端的领土（海南岛以南的部分都不属于中国）。
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Additionally, while Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam all occupied 1 or more islands in these waters, China never had ownership of even 1 islands until 1974 and 1988 when their navy attacked Vietnam and took control of some islands. The first time China officially showed this map, internationally was in 2009 to meet a deadline of UN Laws of the Sea Conference. No explanation and detail was given as to whether or not China disputed other claims and/or staked a claim for this sea. Since then, Chinese militia fishing boats and heavily armed navy vessels have harassed fishermen, oil survey ships... militarizing the region, building army bases, issuing passports with disputed map as part of China and now, this decree, attempting to violate international laws concerning freedom of navigation. While the affected countries are arming themselves as well as pushing for diplomatic resolutions, they are not making progresses against the relentless Chinese assault. It's time for the civilized international communities to organize a more effective opposition to this lawless behavior. A bully China will only step back when faced with superior strength and united forces.
此外，文莱，马来西亚，印度尼西亚，菲律宾和越南在这片水域占领一个或多个岛屿额时候， 中国在南海上从来就没有拥有过任何岛屿，只有在1974年和1988年的时候，中国海军袭击越南时，中国人才控制了一些岛屿。2009年在联合国海洋法会议的最后期限，中国官方才第一次向国际社会展示了这个地图。并不清楚中国是否对这片海有其他的主权宣称。从那时起，中国武装渔船和重武装的海军船只就骚扰渔民和石油勘探船，，，，，，，将该区域军事化，建立军事基地，现在颁发有争议的中国地图护照， 而中国最新公布的这个法令违反了有关自由航行的国际法 。受影响的国家正在武装自己并推动外交解决，但他们并没有采取有效措施抵御住中国无情的袭击。是时候文明的国际社会组织起来抵御这个无法无天的行为，霸道的中国只会在面对更强的和联合起来的力量后才会后退
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Bully Americans
on Dec 2, 8:37 AM said:
@Henry ford: A bully Untied States will only step back when faced with superior strength and united forces and that is why Iran wants nukes. Shameless Americans screwed the world 100x over and no one is holding them accountable. G. Bush should have been tried as a war criminal for attacking Iraq and let the US soldiers raped and tortured. Disgusting white men !
霸道的美国只有在面对更强的和联合起来的力量前才会后退，这就是为什么伊朗想要核武器，不要脸的美国人艹了这个世界100X，没人能够让他们负起责任， 乔治布什侵略了伊拉克，让士兵们强奸，肆虐，所以他应该被判刑才对。 恶心的白人
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robert123
on Dec 1, 6:27 PM said:
When China was weak other countries took their lands. Now that China is strong, China wants their lands back.
当中国弱的时候其他国家占领他的土地，现在中国强了，中国要把土地要回来
Dan Dinh
on Dec 3, 3:50 AM said:
@robert123: The Southeast Asia Sea is never in history as a part of China so how come they want it back whether it is weak or strong?
东南亚海在历史上从来就不是中国的一部分，无论中国是否强弱。他们怎么会想要回来？
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Tak Masa
on Dec 1, 6:38 PM said:
The ambition of China to expand territorial possessions beyond the border is obvious.
China’s imperialism backed with powerful military forces including nuclear warhead is the greatest threat to the bordering nations including Japan.
中国超出边界扩张领土的野心很明显。
包括核弹头在内的军事力量的增强，中国的帝国主义回来了，这对包括日本在内的周边国家构成了威胁
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Chinese demonstrators shouted the demand for extermination of Japanese people with nuclear attacks. http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-demonstrators-call-for-nuclear-extermination-of-japanese-wild-dogs-2012-9
It was very scary.
Therefore, Japanese began to feel the necessity of possessing own nuclear defense force.
中国的示威者叫嚣着用核袭击来消灭日本人
这真可怕
因此日本人开始感觉到有必要持有自己的核防卫力量
samxy
on Dec 1, 7:55 PM said:
@Tak Masa: "The ambition of China to expand territorial possessions beyond the border is obvious."?!!
China is ambition in south China Sea??? My God. China is in her own China Sea is ambition??? It is China Sea. YOU ARE CLAIM SOME ONE AMBITION IN HIS OWN HOUSE.
Japan (WWII Criminal) feel uncomfortable?!! Is China take Japan Sea?
Tak Masa:"中国超越边界扩张领土的野心很明显“？！！中国在南中国海有野心？？？上帝呀，中国在她自己的海域被称作野心？？？这是中国海，你称一个在自己房子里人为有野心。
日 本二战罪犯感觉不舒服了？！！ 是中国占了日本海么？
Millie Cooper
on Dec 1, 9:33 PM said:
@Tak Masa: "Chinese demonstrators shouted the demand for extermination of Japanese people with nuclear attacks"
That's exactly what American rednecks wanted to Afghanistan.
中国的示威者叫嚣着用核袭击来消灭日本人
这完全就像是美国乡下佬想要对阿富汗那样做的
mark murphy
on Dec 1, 11:45 PM said:
@samxy: South China Sea is just a geographical referenced point, used by the Western ocean travelers 1500-1600's time frame. Sea names don't necessarily associate with ownership, for example Indian ocean is not owned by India. South China Sea is called East Sea by Vietnamese and West Philippines Sea by the Philippines. Please read some other books beside Chinese's to learn facts.
南中国海只不过是个地理称呼，被西方旅行者在1500-1600时期定义，海的名字并不一定关系到拥有者，例如印度洋并不是被印度所有，南中国海被越南称为东海，被菲律宾称为西菲律宾海，请读点中国以外的书学学真相
Read books
on Dec 2, 8:40 AM said:
@mark murphy: Vietnam did not exist until the Yuan dynasty.
直到元朝越南才存在
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mark murphy
on Dec 2, 6:26 PM said:
@Read books: Vietnamese identity as being tribal dated back to 2900 BC, occupying areas of now western coast of Hainan, coastal part of Guangdong and most of modern north Vietnam. Always pressured by ancient China, this Viet identified tribe survived, expanded. merged and migrated south along the coast line of what's now South China Sea. Along this 5,000 years of history ( 1,000 of which was ruled as Chinese colony and 3,000 years self-ruled but subordinated to imperial China by calling itself, small kingdom ), Vietnam declared nationhood in 1009 with the name Dai Viet or Great Viet and the king elevated to Emperor, equal status with China. Hanoi just celebrated 1,000 years being the capitol of that nation in 2009. The name Vietnam ( or the Viet of the south in Vietnamese ) was 1st introduced in 1802 by Gia Long Emperor after absorbing the nation of Champa ( now central Vietnam ) and part of Khmer empire ( now Cambodia ).
Regardless of how you defined nationhood, Vietnam can relate back to thousands of years of nation forming and exists officially as a independent but small empire since 1,009, long before Chinese Yuan dynasty of 1271.
越南作为部落历史能够被追溯到公元前2900，占据了现在的海南西海岸，广东海岸的部分地区和现在北越的大部分。期间一直被古中国所压制，越南作为部落幸存，扩张，合并，沿着现在的南中国海岸线向南移民。有着5000年历史的越南（其中1000年被中国人统治殖民， 3000年独立，但是以小藩国的名义从属于中华帝国）在1009年宣布独立，名字叫Dai Viet或者叫Great Viet（大越），国王晋升为皇帝，和中国地位持平。2009年河内庆祝了作为国家首都的1000年庆典。越南这个名字是嘉庆皇帝在吸收了占婆（现越南中部）和高棉帝国的部分地区（现柬埔寨）之后册封的。（实际情况为：1802年，阮福映在法国支持下灭西山朝，建立阮朝，之后接受中国清朝的嘉庆帝的更改册封为“越南国王”，正式建立新国号为“越南”。） 无论你怎么定义建国，根据官方越南作为一个小的帝国独立都能追述到1009年， 比1271年的元朝帝国还要早
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crusader80
on Dec 1, 6:42 PM said:
Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guantanamo, Guam, Saipan, Wake, Midway, Johnston....
夏威夷，波多黎各，关塔那摩，关岛，塞班，威克岛，中途岛，约翰斯顿，，，，
All hope is lost
on Dec 2, 2:56 PM said:
@crusader80: Did anyone see the video of a US senator talking about sending more troops to Guam? Its hilarious, its a small island and if you send too many troops the island might CAPSIZE !!
Hank Johnson (Congress D-GA) - Warns Guam May Capsize
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA
美国 的一个参议员 谈论派更多的军队进入关岛的视频有人看过么？这真令人捧腹。你要是往这样一个小岛派驻这么多军队，它可能会倾覆！！
Hank Johnson(Congress D-GA) -警告关岛可能会倾覆
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end the wars
promote to the Board Room. on Dec 1, 7:32 PM said:
Good for china, hell the u.s. t hinks it owns the water off of iran, and every other country in the world, so what the hell why shouldnt china follow the u.s. example at least the south china sea is in the chinese area of influence where as the neocons in the u.s. gov think everything in the world is their domain, good for china.
中国好样的，美国下地狱吧，美国认为他拥有伊朗和世界上其他所有国家之外的水域，所以为什么中国就不能追随美国这个例子，至少南中国海在中国的影响能力之下，而美国政府里的保守派认为他们能控制世界的每个地方，中国好样的
ha ha ha ha
on Dec 2, 8:42 AM said:
@3d: You are the one who needs to crawl out of your red neck parents basement.
哈哈哈哈
你真应该从你那无知的父母那里学会怎么东东脑子
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end the wars
on Dec 2, 11:05 AM said:
@3d: So it is ok for the u.s. to have over 800 military bases world wide , many of which surround iran , and its is ok for the u.s. to send aircraft carriers right off the shores of any and every country in the world, and when china moves to protect its sphere of influence everyone in the neocon dual israeli controlled u.s. gov aka puppet of israel, they have a shit fit, I personally would like to see china send this aircraft carrier right into the gulf of mexico, the u.s. gov is nothing but a rouge war machine.
美国在世界范围内有800个军事基地就ok!?而且许多还围着伊朗，美国派航母全世界四处游弋就ok? 当中国开始采取行动保护的自己的势力范围的时候 则影响到了每一个双面犹太人保守党，这些人控制着美国政府作为以色列的傀儡，他们就能干些P事，我个人更希望看见中国航母开进墨西哥湾，而美国政府只不过是个烧红了的战争机器
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Samxy
on Dec 1, 7:48 PM said:
Nine dash line was in 1940 Chinese map. Who ruled China then? It is not by CCP then for sure. Why no one complained then? Why China do something in SOUTH CHINA SEA bother the country which is thousands mile away? Look the most recent 300 year history book, it is China suffer from West Powers and Japan.
1940年的九段虚线地图 ，这时候谁在统治中国，肯定不是CCP， 为什么当时就没有人抱怨呢？ 为什么中国在南中国海做事的时候会骚扰到上千英里远的国家？看看最近300年的历史书，中国一直都在被西方列强和日本欺负。
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China only take back whatever islands which were belong to her for hundred years. What is problem for America? China do not take Texas from Mexico, do not make New Mexico state, China do not start WWII. In this world "Free Press" to make robber as justice person, to make WWII war criminal Japan as victim. Let open Republic of China (Taiwan) map to see where is the Chinese territory. The largest Island in south china sea is still under Republic of China.
中国只是拿回那些已经属于她几百年的岛屿，这个美国人有什么关系？中国并没有从墨西哥抢来德克萨斯，也没有建立新墨西哥州，中国没有发动二战，这个世界的“自由媒体”把强盗塑造成好人，把二战战犯日本当成受害者。在中华民国（台湾）的地图上看看中国的领土。南中国海上最大的岛屿仍然被中华民国控制
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Tak Masa
on Dec 1, 8:39 PM said:
It is said that Mao Tse-tung, Chinese infamous communist despot, had invaded Tibet in 1949, murdered several million Tibetan people, and had murdered their own 70 million people on the Great Leap Forward started in 1958 and the Cultural Revolution launched in 1966.
Tibetan people are still suffering from Chinese occupation, and nearly 70 young monks have performed self-burning for protest to Chinese brutal suppression.
The great tragedy in Tibet executed by Chinese communist tyranny is now under way in your face.
中国有名的共产主义暴君毛泽东在1949年入侵了西藏，杀死了上百万的西藏人， 1958年的大跃进和1966年的文革总共杀害死了7000万的中国人 。
西藏人民现在仍旧承受着中国人的占领，有近70个年轻的喇嘛自焚来抗议中国的残酷镇压。
中国共党的暴政导致了西藏的各种惨剧，而这一切都是在你的眼皮底下发生的
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C.J.
on Dec 2, 12:29 AM said:
The Chinese are not worried about fishing boats from Brunei.
China realizes that, in order to reach their ultimate goal of eliminating any US naval presence in the East Pacific, they must first have uncontested control of the near zones.
The immedaite goal is the seizure of Taiwan.
Over time, this zone of control will expand. The Phillipine's Luzon Island, South Korea and Japan's Kyushu Island are ALL in the crosshairs.
Remember, only America's pacifists and "progressives" have renounced war.
中国人担心的不是文莱的渔船
中国意识到，为了达到驱逐美国海军在东太平洋的势力这一终极目标，他们必须毫无争议的控制邻近区域
当务之急就是夺取台湾
随着时间推移，控制的范围将会扩大。菲律宾吕宋岛，韩国和日本九州岛都在夺取目标之列。
记住，只有美国的反战分子和改革派放弃战争。
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Tak Masa
on Dec 2, 5:51 AM said:
The indirect aggression to Taiwan by China almost gets closer to completion. A large quantity of Chinese immigrants got into Taiwan, and three of four Taiwanese main newspapers already went over to the hand of the Chinese capital. Thus, China came to be able to manipulate Taiwanese public opinion freely. The Ma Ying-jeou government is expected to enter the Chinese complete reign without war soon.
中国对台湾的间接入侵已经快成功了，大量中国移民进入台湾，三分之四的台湾主流报纸在中国资产控制之下。因此，中国能自由操纵台湾的公众意见。马英九政府正期望通过和平手段回归中国。
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On the other hand, China has the outright intention to steal Okinawa that is a territory of Japan. Several Okinawa-based newspapers of the left wing ruled over by Chinese covert operatives are agitating for the opposition movement to the United States Armed Forces which are stationed in Okinawa.
Interesting news was reported recently that a high ranked Chinese official suggested to Secretary of State Clinton even Hawaii is a Chinese territory.
There is no end to the ambition for expanding territories of China.
China is the Nazi of the 21st century, and she has become the world most hated nation.
另一方面，中国一直觊觎日本的冲绳。在中方秘密的控制与策划下，冲绳的左翼报纸正在煽动民众反对美国在冲绳的驻军。
最近有一个有趣的报道：一名中方高官向国务卿希拉里表示，夏威夷也是中国领土的一部分。
中国扩张领土的野心是没有尽头的。中国就是21世纪的纳粹，是当今世界最被仇恨的国家。
Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint
on Dec 2, 1:28 PM said:
@Tak Masa: What does Taiwan's passport say?? It is the Republic of China!!! Its constitution is to reunite back with China. People in Taiwan want to go back to China. What have you been smoking? You Japs should face up to your WWII crime and declare the truth about your aggression to the rest of Asian nations, the comfort women, biological warfare experiment in China, and so on.
日本曾经是，现在仍然是东方的纳粹国家。
@Tak Masa：台湾的护照上怎么写的？？上面写的是中华民国（Republic of China）！这意味着他们将要和中国大陆重新联合。台湾的人们希望统一。你们日本人应该正视你们在二战中犯下的罪行，承认你们对亚洲国家的侵略，承认在生化实验中残害中国人，承认强征慰安妇等等事实！
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Onkinawa is an independent nation prior to the invasion of Japan, and so is Dan Yu Tai Islands off Taiwan's coast, just look how far it is from Japanese main island.
You should put words in your mouth that there is no end to the ambition for expanding territories of Japan. Japan was and still is the Nazi of the 21st century, and she has been the world most hated thug.
冲绳在日本入侵以前是一个独立的国家， 而靠近台湾海岸的钓鱼岛之前也是一个独立的国家，看看这个岛屿离日本本土有多远吧 。
你应该说的是，拥有无止境领土扩张野心的国家是日本。
日本是21世纪的纳粹，她是世界上最令人讨厌的强盗。
（注：大陆人称钓鱼岛，日本人称尖阁群岛，台湾人称钓鱼台）
ashleyhk
on Dec 3, 7:00 AM said:
@Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint: Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint
Japan was etc.
Why do polls consistently show 80-85% of Taiwanese do NOT want to "reunite" with China?
When is China going to admit to the 50 million deaths caused by Mao's policies during the Great Leap Forward? My wifes grandparents starved to death in Sichuan, the breadbasket of China.
Nobody likes present day China. Hong Kong people, Singaporeans, wherever, loathe Mainland Chinese people.
Reflect on this.
为什么民意测试显示有80-85%的台湾人不想“回归”中国？
什么时候中国才会承认因为毛在大跃进的政策导致5千万人死亡。我妻子的祖父母在四川饿死的，而四川是中国的粮仓。
没人喜欢现今的中国，香港人，新加坡人，或者其他什么地方的，憎恶中国大陆人
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Pathcoin
on Dec 2, 4:38 PM said:
China thinks it can see annex the South China Seas because it sees American as a declining world power. It is expanding into the vacuum.
中国以为他能吞并南中国海，因为他看见美国作为超级大国的衰退，他要填补真空
Why China Thinks It Can Annex The South China Sea
原文链接：http://www.businessinsider.com/china-south-china-sea-2012-11
Why China Thinks It Can Annex The South China Sea
Michael Kelley | Dec. 1, 2012, 3:28 PM
It seems that China, or at least part of it, has thrown down the gauntlet in the South China Sea with the announcement that police in the southern island province of Hainan will board and search ships which enter what China considers its territory in the disputed waters.
Before discussing the implications of the "revised regulations," it's helpful to know why China thinks it can commandeer the territory in the first place. In October James R. Holmes of NamViet News cited the book "How Communists Negotiate" to note that going into negotiations "Chinese communists try to rig the game in their favor" by trying to force the opposite side to agree to Beijing's bargaining positions as a condition for convening talks.
China's currently claims everything within the "nine-dashed line" – which takes in about 90 percent of the South China Sea – and now its law enforcement will act to defend it.
中国（或者说中国的一部分）似乎已经在南海下了挑战书。他们声明，对于侵入这块中国声明主权的争议水域的船只，海南省的海警将会登船搜查。
在讨论这个“修订条例”背后的含义之前，我们应该首先看一下为什么中国认为这块水域属于自己。在十月份，NamViet News的James R. Holmes 引用了《共产主义者如何谈判》一书，指出在谈判中，中共为了让结果有利于自己一方，将强迫对方承认中国的（优势）谈判地位作为举行会谈的条件。
中国现在对九段线内的全部领土（共占整个南海的90%）均申明了主权。现在他们的法律将对这部分领土进行保护。
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In August the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China stated: "China has indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and adjacent waters. This is supported by clear historical facts."
(Note: A 2008 U.S. diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks reported that a senior Chinese government maritime law expert "admitted" he was unaware of the historical basis for the nine dashes.)
China's stance makes diplomacy difficult since negotiation, as Holmes notes, "presupposes give-and-take between two parties. But indisputable means indisputable."
Consequently, the Hainan decree raises the stakes in the region's territorial disputes and creates immediate problems for other claimant countries as well as the world economy.
U.S. Energy Information Administration
As James Fallows of the Atlantic points out, "Brunei is a very long way from mainland China, but China contends that its waters reach practically down to Brunei's shores."
八月份中国外交部声明：“中国对南沙群岛及其附近海域拥有无可争辩的主权，中国在南海的主张有充分的历史依据“。
（注：根据维基解密显示，一份2008年的美国外交电报记载了一位中国资深海事法律专家承认自己并不了解中国九段线的历史依据）
中国在南海所持的立场使得通过外交方式解决争议问题变得困难，正如 Holmes 所说，“外交是需要双方的妥协的，但“无可争辩”意味着无话可谈”。
因此，中国在南海争议地区的领土主张将立即在区域引发各种问题，并波及世界经济。
美国能源信息管理局
正如大西洋月刊的 James Fallows所指出的那样，“文莱里中国大陆很远，但中国却将边界划到了文莱的海岸线附近”。
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He also notes that some of the affected shipping lanes "have nothing directly to do with mainland China" since export paths from Japan, South Korea and Taiwan pass through the waters on their way to the Indian Ocean while half the world's oil-cargo traffic from the Middle East travels the route in the opposite way.
Yesterday Dr. Ely Ratner, a Fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told BI gthat the situation is "an incredibly difficult problem" that will come down to how far China is willing to go in terms of getting out on the high seas and arresting fishermen and others who think they're within their rights to be in the disputed waters.
China will dictate how heated things get, but there's no doubt that the Red Dragon is aggressively staking out its position.
"It is easy to imagine things becoming dangerous, quickly, if the new Chinese administration actually tries to carry out this order," Fallows wrote. "A Chinese government deliberately courting this kind of showdown would be a very bad sign."
他也指出一些受影响的航道“和中国大陆并没有直接关系”。 因为日本，韩国和台湾的出口货物要经过这片水域通往印度洋，而来自中东的一半石油巨轮也会经过这片水域。
昨天，来自新美国安全中心(Center for a New American Security)的Ely Ratner博士对BIg（原文BI gthat应该是打错了）说，这种状况是“非常棘手的“。 而事件的发展取决于中国在公海的活动以及中国是否会拘捕相关的渔民以及拘捕某些认为自己有权在该海域活动的外国人士。
中国将决定事件的激化程度，毫无疑问，红色巨龙正在有攻击性地标示自己的立场。
“只要中国新一届管理层给出这样一个命令，事情是很容易发展到危险的地步。”Fallows写道，“中国政府故意地表示这种摊牌将是一个很糟糕的信号。”
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HawaiiReally?
on Dec 1, 3:46 PM said:
Hillary Clinton said, on Nov 29, the Chinese had threatened to claim Hawaii as a Chinese territory in a meeting during the recent East Asia Summit.
Clinton, rightly, told the Chinese to f-off, diplomatically.
The standard propaganda line from the Chinese, "You (the US) annexed Hawaii in the 19th century, purchased Alaska, etc. Learn history!"
This is an irrelevant point. The only relevant point is whether the people of Hawaii wish to be part of the US. They do.
Where a population is held hostage against their will? Tibet.
The article shows what the Chinese are about to do to their neighbors next.
在11月29，希拉里克林顿说，在最近的东亚峰会上，中国人威胁说要宣称夏威夷为中国领土。
克林顿立即婉转的告诉中国人滚远点
中国人用标准的宣传辞令：“你们美国人在19世纪吞并夏威夷，购买 阿拉斯加州 等等，学学历史”
这根本就没有什么关联性 ，关键要看夏威夷人民是否希望成为美国的一部分，而他们确实希望。
哪里的人民在不情愿的情况下被当作人质？西藏
这篇文章显示了下一步中国人将会对它的邻居采取什么样的行动
Bob William Knight
on Dec 1, 7:52 PM said:
@HawaiiReally?: people oh Hawaii do not wat the U.S.there
夏威夷人不想美国在那
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MG
on Dec 1, 4:00 PM said:
Their position seems much more than the US's position regarding the invasion, occupation of Iraq or for that matter, most of the US positions over the last decade plus
他们的立场似乎比美国人立场更适合考虑入侵占领伊拉克或者其他什么的， 就此而言，这就是美国在过去十几年所做的事情
mary pham
on Dec 1, 6:17 PM said:
@MG: So that is a Chinese justification? 2 wrongs will make 1 right? Shame !
这就是中国人行为的正当理由？错错得正？真羞耻！（这句的意思应该是中国人自己做错了然后挑美国人的错。既然大家都有错那就是大家都没错）
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Paul Johnson
on Dec 1, 4:45 PM said:
Whoever put that claims chart together must be colorblind. Why would you use the same brown color for Taiwanese land, and Indonesian land? Are the PRC and Taiwanese claims coextensive, because there are no brown claim lines drawn in?
把这些图形混在一起的人一定是个色盲，为什么你一定要用同样的褐色标注台湾和印度尼西亚，PRC和台湾难道都要扩张么？仅仅因为没把褐色的线画进去
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LetsBombThem
on Dec 1, 5:13 PM said:
are we going to let China put smaller countries around?
WE are the only country that gets to push other countries around!
我们难道要允许中国来摆布小国么？
我们才是唯一能摆布其他国家的国家
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henry ford
on Dec 1, 6:11 PM said:
Not only that Brunei is along way from China, Chinese claim even extends 500+ km further south into area between EEZ's of Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. This map was first surfaced in China by the nationalists in 1947 as an 11 dash ( cow tongue ) drawing of ancient Chinese commerce tracings, bearing no claim of sovereignty. In fact, even Taiwanese ( nationalists ) and Chinese maps printed before 1960's indicated the southern most point of Chinese territory is Hainan island.
不仅远离中国的文莱， 中国甚至还在马来西亚，新加坡以及印度尼西亚的专属经济区内多延伸了500多千米的领海范围，这个地图是在1947年被国民党绘制的，作为一个打了11个折（牛舌）（指转了好多弯）的中国古代商贸航线并没有体现宣称主权。事实上，即便是台湾的（国民党）和中国的在60年代之前印制的地图也表明海南岛才是中国最南端的领土（海南岛以南的部分都不属于中国）。
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Additionally, while Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam all occupied 1 or more islands in these waters, China never had ownership of even 1 islands until 1974 and 1988 when their navy attacked Vietnam and took control of some islands. The first time China officially showed this map, internationally was in 2009 to meet a deadline of UN Laws of the Sea Conference. No explanation and detail was given as to whether or not China disputed other claims and/or staked a claim for this sea. Since then, Chinese militia fishing boats and heavily armed navy vessels have harassed fishermen, oil survey ships... militarizing the region, building army bases, issuing passports with disputed map as part of China and now, this decree, attempting to violate international laws concerning freedom of navigation. While the affected countries are arming themselves as well as pushing for diplomatic resolutions, they are not making progresses against the relentless Chinese assault. It's time for the civilized international communities to organize a more effective opposition to this lawless behavior. A bully China will only step back when faced with superior strength and united forces.
此外，文莱，马来西亚，印度尼西亚，菲律宾和越南在这片水域占领一个或多个岛屿额时候， 中国在南海上从来就没有拥有过任何岛屿，只有在1974年和1988年的时候，中国海军袭击越南时，中国人才控制了一些岛屿。2009年在联合国海洋法会议的最后期限，中国官方才第一次向国际社会展示了这个地图。并不清楚中国是否对这片海有其他的主权宣称。从那时起，中国武装渔船和重武装的海军船只就骚扰渔民和石油勘探船，，，，，，，将该区域军事化，建立军事基地，现在颁发有争议的中国地图护照， 而中国最新公布的这个法令违反了有关自由航行的国际法 。受影响的国家正在武装自己并推动外交解决，但他们并没有采取有效措施抵御住中国无情的袭击。是时候文明的国际社会组织起来抵御这个无法无天的行为，霸道的中国只会在面对更强的和联合起来的力量后才会后退
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Bully Americans
on Dec 2, 8:37 AM said:
@Henry ford: A bully Untied States will only step back when faced with superior strength and united forces and that is why Iran wants nukes. Shameless Americans screwed the world 100x over and no one is holding them accountable. G. Bush should have been tried as a war criminal for attacking Iraq and let the US soldiers raped and tortured. Disgusting white men !
霸道的美国只有在面对更强的和联合起来的力量前才会后退，这就是为什么伊朗想要核武器，不要脸的美国人艹了这个世界100X，没人能够让他们负起责任， 乔治布什侵略了伊拉克，让士兵们强奸，肆虐，所以他应该被判刑才对。 恶心的白人
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robert123
on Dec 1, 6:27 PM said:
When China was weak other countries took their lands. Now that China is strong, China wants their lands back.
当中国弱的时候其他国家占领他的土地，现在中国强了，中国要把土地要回来
Dan Dinh
on Dec 3, 3:50 AM said:
@robert123: The Southeast Asia Sea is never in history as a part of China so how come they want it back whether it is weak or strong?
东南亚海在历史上从来就不是中国的一部分，无论中国是否强弱。他们怎么会想要回来？
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Tak Masa
on Dec 1, 6:38 PM said:
The ambition of China to expand territorial possessions beyond the border is obvious.
China’s imperialism backed with powerful military forces including nuclear warhead is the greatest threat to the bordering nations including Japan.
中国超出边界扩张领土的野心很明显。
包括核弹头在内的军事力量的增强，中国的帝国主义回来了，这对包括日本在内的周边国家构成了威胁
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Chinese demonstrators shouted the demand for extermination of Japanese people with nuclear attacks. http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-demonstrators-call-for-nuclear-extermination-of-japanese-wild-dogs-2012-9
It was very scary.
Therefore, Japanese began to feel the necessity of possessing own nuclear defense force.
中国的示威者叫嚣着用核袭击来消灭日本人
这真可怕
因此日本人开始感觉到有必要持有自己的核防卫力量
samxy
on Dec 1, 7:55 PM said:
@Tak Masa: "The ambition of China to expand territorial possessions beyond the border is obvious."?!!
China is ambition in south China Sea??? My God. China is in her own China Sea is ambition??? It is China Sea. YOU ARE CLAIM SOME ONE AMBITION IN HIS OWN HOUSE.
Japan (WWII Criminal) feel uncomfortable?!! Is China take Japan Sea?
Tak Masa:"中国超越边界扩张领土的野心很明显“？！！中国在南中国海有野心？？？上帝呀，中国在她自己的海域被称作野心？？？这是中国海，你称一个在自己房子里人为有野心。
日 本二战罪犯感觉不舒服了？！！ 是中国占了日本海么？
Millie Cooper
on Dec 1, 9:33 PM said:
@Tak Masa: "Chinese demonstrators shouted the demand for extermination of Japanese people with nuclear attacks"
That's exactly what American rednecks wanted to Afghanistan.
中国的示威者叫嚣着用核袭击来消灭日本人
这完全就像是美国乡下佬想要对阿富汗那样做的
mark murphy
on Dec 1, 11:45 PM said:
@samxy: South China Sea is just a geographical referenced point, used by the Western ocean travelers 1500-1600's time frame. Sea names don't necessarily associate with ownership, for example Indian ocean is not owned by India. South China Sea is called East Sea by Vietnamese and West Philippines Sea by the Philippines. Please read some other books beside Chinese's to learn facts.
南中国海只不过是个地理称呼，被西方旅行者在1500-1600时期定义，海的名字并不一定关系到拥有者，例如印度洋并不是被印度所有，南中国海被越南称为东海，被菲律宾称为西菲律宾海，请读点中国以外的书学学真相
Read books
on Dec 2, 8:40 AM said:
@mark murphy: Vietnam did not exist until the Yuan dynasty.
直到元朝越南才存在
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mark murphy
on Dec 2, 6:26 PM said:
@Read books: Vietnamese identity as being tribal dated back to 2900 BC, occupying areas of now western coast of Hainan, coastal part of Guangdong and most of modern north Vietnam. Always pressured by ancient China, this Viet identified tribe survived, expanded. merged and migrated south along the coast line of what's now South China Sea. Along this 5,000 years of history ( 1,000 of which was ruled as Chinese colony and 3,000 years self-ruled but subordinated to imperial China by calling itself, small kingdom ), Vietnam declared nationhood in 1009 with the name Dai Viet or Great Viet and the king elevated to Emperor, equal status with China. Hanoi just celebrated 1,000 years being the capitol of that nation in 2009. The name Vietnam ( or the Viet of the south in Vietnamese ) was 1st introduced in 1802 by Gia Long Emperor after absorbing the nation of Champa ( now central Vietnam ) and part of Khmer empire ( now Cambodia ).
Regardless of how you defined nationhood, Vietnam can relate back to thousands of years of nation forming and exists officially as a independent but small empire since 1,009, long before Chinese Yuan dynasty of 1271.
越南作为部落历史能够被追溯到公元前2900，占据了现在的海南西海岸，广东海岸的部分地区和现在北越的大部分。期间一直被古中国所压制，越南作为部落幸存，扩张，合并，沿着现在的南中国海岸线向南移民。有着5000年历史的越南（其中1000年被中国人统治殖民， 3000年独立，但是以小藩国的名义从属于中华帝国）在1009年宣布独立，名字叫Dai Viet或者叫Great Viet（大越），国王晋升为皇帝，和中国地位持平。2009年河内庆祝了作为国家首都的1000年庆典。越南这个名字是嘉庆皇帝在吸收了占婆（现越南中部）和高棉帝国的部分地区（现柬埔寨）之后册封的。（实际情况为：1802年，阮福映在法国支持下灭西山朝，建立阮朝，之后接受中国清朝的嘉庆帝的更改册封为“越南国王”，正式建立新国号为“越南”。） 无论你怎么定义建国，根据官方越南作为一个小的帝国独立都能追述到1009年， 比1271年的元朝帝国还要早
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crusader80
on Dec 1, 6:42 PM said:
Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guantanamo, Guam, Saipan, Wake, Midway, Johnston....
夏威夷，波多黎各，关塔那摩，关岛，塞班，威克岛，中途岛，约翰斯顿，，，，
All hope is lost
on Dec 2, 2:56 PM said:
@crusader80: Did anyone see the video of a US senator talking about sending more troops to Guam? Its hilarious, its a small island and if you send too many troops the island might CAPSIZE !!
Hank Johnson (Congress D-GA) - Warns Guam May Capsize
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA
美国 的一个参议员 谈论派更多的军队进入关岛的视频有人看过么？这真令人捧腹。你要是往这样一个小岛派驻这么多军队，它可能会倾覆！！
Hank Johnson(Congress D-GA) -警告关岛可能会倾覆
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end the wars
promote to the Board Room. on Dec 1, 7:32 PM said:
Good for china, hell the u.s. t hinks it owns the water off of iran, and every other country in the world, so what the hell why shouldnt china follow the u.s. example at least the south china sea is in the chinese area of influence where as the neocons in the u.s. gov think everything in the world is their domain, good for china.
中国好样的，美国下地狱吧，美国认为他拥有伊朗和世界上其他所有国家之外的水域，所以为什么中国就不能追随美国这个例子，至少南中国海在中国的影响能力之下，而美国政府里的保守派认为他们能控制世界的每个地方，中国好样的
ha ha ha ha
on Dec 2, 8:42 AM said:
@3d: You are the one who needs to crawl out of your red neck parents basement.
哈哈哈哈
你真应该从你那无知的父母那里学会怎么东东脑子
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end the wars
on Dec 2, 11:05 AM said:
@3d: So it is ok for the u.s. to have over 800 military bases world wide , many of which surround iran , and its is ok for the u.s. to send aircraft carriers right off the shores of any and every country in the world, and when china moves to protect its sphere of influence everyone in the neocon dual israeli controlled u.s. gov aka puppet of israel, they have a shit fit, I personally would like to see china send this aircraft carrier right into the gulf of mexico, the u.s. gov is nothing but a rouge war machine.
美国在世界范围内有800个军事基地就ok!?而且许多还围着伊朗，美国派航母全世界四处游弋就ok? 当中国开始采取行动保护的自己的势力范围的时候 则影响到了每一个双面犹太人保守党，这些人控制着美国政府作为以色列的傀儡，他们就能干些P事，我个人更希望看见中国航母开进墨西哥湾，而美国政府只不过是个烧红了的战争机器
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Samxy
on Dec 1, 7:48 PM said:
Nine dash line was in 1940 Chinese map. Who ruled China then? It is not by CCP then for sure. Why no one complained then? Why China do something in SOUTH CHINA SEA bother the country which is thousands mile away? Look the most recent 300 year history book, it is China suffer from West Powers and Japan.
1940年的九段虚线地图 ，这时候谁在统治中国，肯定不是CCP， 为什么当时就没有人抱怨呢？ 为什么中国在南中国海做事的时候会骚扰到上千英里远的国家？看看最近300年的历史书，中国一直都在被西方列强和日本欺负。
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China only take back whatever islands which were belong to her for hundred years. What is problem for America? China do not take Texas from Mexico, do not make New Mexico state, China do not start WWII. In this world "Free Press" to make robber as justice person, to make WWII war criminal Japan as victim. Let open Republic of China (Taiwan) map to see where is the Chinese territory. The largest Island in south china sea is still under Republic of China.
中国只是拿回那些已经属于她几百年的岛屿，这个美国人有什么关系？中国并没有从墨西哥抢来德克萨斯，也没有建立新墨西哥州，中国没有发动二战，这个世界的“自由媒体”把强盗塑造成好人，把二战战犯日本当成受害者。在中华民国（台湾）的地图上看看中国的领土。南中国海上最大的岛屿仍然被中华民国控制
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Tak Masa
on Dec 1, 8:39 PM said:
It is said that Mao Tse-tung, Chinese infamous communist despot, had invaded Tibet in 1949, murdered several million Tibetan people, and had murdered their own 70 million people on the Great Leap Forward started in 1958 and the Cultural Revolution launched in 1966.
Tibetan people are still suffering from Chinese occupation, and nearly 70 young monks have performed self-burning for protest to Chinese brutal suppression.
The great tragedy in Tibet executed by Chinese communist tyranny is now under way in your face.
中国有名的共产主义暴君毛泽东在1949年入侵了西藏，杀死了上百万的西藏人， 1958年的大跃进和1966年的文革总共杀害死了7000万的中国人 。
西藏人民现在仍旧承受着中国人的占领，有近70个年轻的喇嘛自焚来抗议中国的残酷镇压。
中国共党的暴政导致了西藏的各种惨剧，而这一切都是在你的眼皮底下发生的
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C.J.
on Dec 2, 12:29 AM said:
The Chinese are not worried about fishing boats from Brunei.
China realizes that, in order to reach their ultimate goal of eliminating any US naval presence in the East Pacific, they must first have uncontested control of the near zones.
The immedaite goal is the seizure of Taiwan.
Over time, this zone of control will expand. The Phillipine's Luzon Island, South Korea and Japan's Kyushu Island are ALL in the crosshairs.
Remember, only America's pacifists and "progressives" have renounced war.
中国人担心的不是文莱的渔船
中国意识到，为了达到驱逐美国海军在东太平洋的势力这一终极目标，他们必须毫无争议的控制邻近区域
当务之急就是夺取台湾
随着时间推移，控制的范围将会扩大。菲律宾吕宋岛，韩国和日本九州岛都在夺取目标之列。
记住，只有美国的反战分子和改革派放弃战争。
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Tak Masa
on Dec 2, 5:51 AM said:
The indirect aggression to Taiwan by China almost gets closer to completion. A large quantity of Chinese immigrants got into Taiwan, and three of four Taiwanese main newspapers already went over to the hand of the Chinese capital. Thus, China came to be able to manipulate Taiwanese public opinion freely. The Ma Ying-jeou government is expected to enter the Chinese complete reign without war soon.
中国对台湾的间接入侵已经快成功了，大量中国移民进入台湾，三分之四的台湾主流报纸在中国资产控制之下。因此，中国能自由操纵台湾的公众意见。马英九政府正期望通过和平手段回归中国。
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On the other hand, China has the outright intention to steal Okinawa that is a territory of Japan. Several Okinawa-based newspapers of the left wing ruled over by Chinese covert operatives are agitating for the opposition movement to the United States Armed Forces which are stationed in Okinawa.
Interesting news was reported recently that a high ranked Chinese official suggested to Secretary of State Clinton even Hawaii is a Chinese territory.
There is no end to the ambition for expanding territories of China.
China is the Nazi of the 21st century, and she has become the world most hated nation.
另一方面，中国一直觊觎日本的冲绳。在中方秘密的控制与策划下，冲绳的左翼报纸正在煽动民众反对美国在冲绳的驻军。
最近有一个有趣的报道：一名中方高官向国务卿希拉里表示，夏威夷也是中国领土的一部分。
中国扩张领土的野心是没有尽头的。中国就是21世纪的纳粹，是当今世界最被仇恨的国家。
Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint
on Dec 2, 1:28 PM said:
@Tak Masa: What does Taiwan's passport say?? It is the Republic of China!!! Its constitution is to reunite back with China. People in Taiwan want to go back to China. What have you been smoking? You Japs should face up to your WWII crime and declare the truth about your aggression to the rest of Asian nations, the comfort women, biological warfare experiment in China, and so on.
日本曾经是，现在仍然是东方的纳粹国家。
@Tak Masa：台湾的护照上怎么写的？？上面写的是中华民国（Republic of China）！这意味着他们将要和中国大陆重新联合。台湾的人们希望统一。你们日本人应该正视你们在二战中犯下的罪行，承认你们对亚洲国家的侵略，承认在生化实验中残害中国人，承认强征慰安妇等等事实！
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Onkinawa is an independent nation prior to the invasion of Japan, and so is Dan Yu Tai Islands off Taiwan's coast, just look how far it is from Japanese main island.
You should put words in your mouth that there is no end to the ambition for expanding territories of Japan. Japan was and still is the Nazi of the 21st century, and she has been the world most hated thug.
冲绳在日本入侵以前是一个独立的国家， 而靠近台湾海岸的钓鱼岛之前也是一个独立的国家，看看这个岛屿离日本本土有多远吧 。
你应该说的是，拥有无止境领土扩张野心的国家是日本。
日本是21世纪的纳粹，她是世界上最令人讨厌的强盗。
（注：大陆人称钓鱼岛，日本人称尖阁群岛，台湾人称钓鱼台）
ashleyhk
on Dec 3, 7:00 AM said:
@Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint: Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint
Japan was etc.
Why do polls consistently show 80-85% of Taiwanese do NOT want to "reunite" with China?
When is China going to admit to the 50 million deaths caused by Mao's policies during the Great Leap Forward? My wifes grandparents starved to death in Sichuan, the breadbasket of China.
Nobody likes present day China. Hong Kong people, Singaporeans, wherever, loathe Mainland Chinese people.
Reflect on this.
为什么民意测试显示有80-85%的台湾人不想“回归”中国？
什么时候中国才会承认因为毛在大跃进的政策导致5千万人死亡。我妻子的祖父母在四川饿死的，而四川是中国的粮仓。
没人喜欢现今的中国，香港人，新加坡人，或者其他什么地方的，憎恶中国大陆人
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Pathcoin
on Dec 2, 4:38 PM said:
China thinks it can see annex the South China Seas because it sees American as a declining world power. It is expanding into the vacuum.
中国以为他能吞并南中国海，因为他看见美国作为超级大国的衰退，他要填补真空
为何中国认为他能够吞并南中国海？
Why China Thinks It Can Annex The South China Sea
原文链接：http://www.businessinsider.com/china-south-china-sea-2012-11
Why China Thinks It Can Annex The South China Sea
Michael Kelley | Dec. 1, 2012, 3:28 PM
It seems that China, or at least part of it, has thrown down the gauntlet in the South China Sea with the announcement that police in the southern island province of Hainan will board and search ships which enter what China considers its territory in the disputed waters.
Before discussing the implications of the "revised regulations," it's helpful to know why China thinks it can commandeer the territory in the first place. In October James R. Holmes of NamViet News cited the book "How Communists Negotiate" to note that going into negotiations "Chinese communists try to rig the game in their favor" by trying to force the opposite side to agree to Beijing's bargaining positions as a condition for convening talks.
China's currently claims everything within the "nine-dashed line" – which takes in about 90 percent of the South China Sea – and now its law enforcement will act to defend it.
中国（或者说中国的一部分）似乎已经在南海下了挑战书。他们声明，对于侵入这块中国声明主权的争议水域的船只，海南省的海警将会登船搜查。
在讨论这个“修订条例”背后的含义之前，我们应该首先看一下为什么中国认为这块水域属于自己。在十月份，NamViet News的James R. Holmes 引用了《共产主义者如何谈判》一书，指出在谈判中，中共为了让结果有利于自己一方，将强迫对方承认中国的（优势）谈判地位作为举行会谈的条件。
中国现在对九段线内的全部领土（共占整个南海的90%）均申明了主权。现在他们的法律将对这部分领土进行保护。
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In August the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China stated: "China has indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and adjacent waters. This is supported by clear historical facts."
(Note: A 2008 U.S. diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks reported that a senior Chinese government maritime law expert "admitted" he was unaware of the historical basis for the nine dashes.)
China's stance makes diplomacy difficult since negotiation, as Holmes notes, "presupposes give-and-take between two parties. But indisputable means indisputable."
Consequently, the Hainan decree raises the stakes in the region's territorial disputes and creates immediate problems for other claimant countries as well as the world economy.
U.S. Energy Information Administration
As James Fallows of the Atlantic points out, "Brunei is a very long way from mainland China, but China contends that its waters reach practically down to Brunei's shores."
八月份中国外交部声明：“中国对南沙群岛及其附近海域拥有无可争辩的主权，中国在南海的主张有充分的历史依据“。
（注：根据维基解密显示，一份2008年的美国外交电报记载了一位中国资深海事法律专家承认自己并不了解中国九段线的历史依据）
中国在南海所持的立场使得通过外交方式解决争议问题变得困难，正如 Holmes 所说，“外交是需要双方的妥协的，但“无可争辩”意味着无话可谈”。
因此，中国在南海争议地区的领土主张将立即在区域引发各种问题，并波及世界经济。
美国能源信息管理局
正如大西洋月刊的 James Fallows所指出的那样，“文莱里中国大陆很远，但中国却将边界划到了文莱的海岸线附近”。
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He also notes that some of the affected shipping lanes "have nothing directly to do with mainland China" since export paths from Japan, South Korea and Taiwan pass through the waters on their way to the Indian Ocean while half the world's oil-cargo traffic from the Middle East travels the route in the opposite way.
Yesterday Dr. Ely Ratner, a Fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told BI gthat the situation is "an incredibly difficult problem" that will come down to how far China is willing to go in terms of getting out on the high seas and arresting fishermen and others who think they're within their rights to be in the disputed waters.
China will dictate how heated things get, but there's no doubt that the Red Dragon is aggressively staking out its position.
"It is easy to imagine things becoming dangerous, quickly, if the new Chinese administration actually tries to carry out this order," Fallows wrote. "A Chinese government deliberately courting this kind of showdown would be a very bad sign."
他也指出一些受影响的航道“和中国大陆并没有直接关系”。 因为日本，韩国和台湾的出口货物要经过这片水域通往印度洋，而来自中东的一半石油巨轮也会经过这片水域。
昨天，来自新美国安全中心(Center for a New American Security)的Ely Ratner博士对BIg（原文BI gthat应该是打错了）说，这种状况是“非常棘手的“。 而事件的发展取决于中国在公海的活动以及中国是否会拘捕相关的渔民以及拘捕某些认为自己有权在该海域活动的外国人士。
中国将决定事件的激化程度，毫无疑问，红色巨龙正在有攻击性地标示自己的立场。
“只要中国新一届管理层给出这样一个命令，事情是很容易发展到危险的地步。”Fallows写道，“中国政府故意地表示这种摊牌将是一个很糟糕的信号。”
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HawaiiReally?
on Dec 1, 3:46 PM said:
Hillary Clinton said, on Nov 29, the Chinese had threatened to claim Hawaii as a Chinese territory in a meeting during the recent East Asia Summit.
Clinton, rightly, told the Chinese to f-off, diplomatically.
The standard propaganda line from the Chinese, "You (the US) annexed Hawaii in the 19th century, purchased Alaska, etc. Learn history!"
This is an irrelevant point. The only relevant point is whether the people of Hawaii wish to be part of the US. They do.
Where a population is held hostage against their will? Tibet.
The article shows what the Chinese are about to do to their neighbors next.
在11月29，希拉里克林顿说，在最近的东亚峰会上，中国人威胁说要宣称夏威夷为中国领土。
克林顿立即婉转的告诉中国人滚远点
中国人用标准的宣传辞令：“你们美国人在19世纪吞并夏威夷，购买 阿拉斯加州 等等，学学历史”
这根本就没有什么关联性 ，关键要看夏威夷人民是否希望成为美国的一部分，而他们确实希望。
哪里的人民在不情愿的情况下被当作人质？西藏
这篇文章显示了下一步中国人将会对它的邻居采取什么样的行动
Bob William Knight
on Dec 1, 7:52 PM said:
@HawaiiReally?: people oh Hawaii do not wat the U.S.there
夏威夷人不想美国在那
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MG
on Dec 1, 4:00 PM said:
Their position seems much more than the US's position regarding the invasion, occupation of Iraq or for that matter, most of the US positions over the last decade plus
他们的立场似乎比美国人立场更适合考虑入侵占领伊拉克或者其他什么的， 就此而言，这就是美国在过去十几年所做的事情
mary pham
on Dec 1, 6:17 PM said:
@MG: So that is a Chinese justification? 2 wrongs will make 1 right? Shame !
这就是中国人行为的正当理由？错错得正？真羞耻！（这句的意思应该是中国人自己做错了然后挑美国人的错。既然大家都有错那就是大家都没错）
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Paul Johnson
on Dec 1, 4:45 PM said:
Whoever put that claims chart together must be colorblind. Why would you use the same brown color for Taiwanese land, and Indonesian land? Are the PRC and Taiwanese claims coextensive, because there are no brown claim lines drawn in?
把这些图形混在一起的人一定是个色盲，为什么你一定要用同样的褐色标注台湾和印度尼西亚，PRC和台湾难道都要扩张么？仅仅因为没把褐色的线画进去
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LetsBombThem
on Dec 1, 5:13 PM said:
are we going to let China put smaller countries around?
WE are the only country that gets to push other countries around!
我们难道要允许中国来摆布小国么？
我们才是唯一能摆布其他国家的国家
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henry ford
on Dec 1, 6:11 PM said:
Not only that Brunei is along way from China, Chinese claim even extends 500+ km further south into area between EEZ's of Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. This map was first surfaced in China by the nationalists in 1947 as an 11 dash ( cow tongue ) drawing of ancient Chinese commerce tracings, bearing no claim of sovereignty. In fact, even Taiwanese ( nationalists ) and Chinese maps printed before 1960's indicated the southern most point of Chinese territory is Hainan island.
不仅远离中国的文莱， 中国甚至还在马来西亚，新加坡以及印度尼西亚的专属经济区内多延伸了500多千米的领海范围，这个地图是在1947年被国民党绘制的，作为一个打了11个折（牛舌）（指转了好多弯）的中国古代商贸航线并没有体现宣称主权。事实上，即便是台湾的（国民党）和中国的在60年代之前印制的地图也表明海南岛才是中国最南端的领土（海南岛以南的部分都不属于中国）。
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Additionally, while Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam all occupied 1 or more islands in these waters, China never had ownership of even 1 islands until 1974 and 1988 when their navy attacked Vietnam and took control of some islands. The first time China officially showed this map, internationally was in 2009 to meet a deadline of UN Laws of the Sea Conference. No explanation and detail was given as to whether or not China disputed other claims and/or staked a claim for this sea. Since then, Chinese militia fishing boats and heavily armed navy vessels have harassed fishermen, oil survey ships... militarizing the region, building army bases, issuing passports with disputed map as part of China and now, this decree, attempting to violate international laws concerning freedom of navigation. While the affected countries are arming themselves as well as pushing for diplomatic resolutions, they are not making progresses against the relentless Chinese assault. It's time for the civilized international communities to organize a more effective opposition to this lawless behavior. A bully China will only step back when faced with superior strength and united forces.
此外，文莱，马来西亚，印度尼西亚，菲律宾和越南在这片水域占领一个或多个岛屿额时候， 中国在南海上从来就没有拥有过任何岛屿，只有在1974年和1988年的时候，中国海军袭击越南时，中国人才控制了一些岛屿。2009年在联合国海洋法会议的最后期限，中国官方才第一次向国际社会展示了这个地图。并不清楚中国是否对这片海有其他的主权宣称。从那时起，中国武装渔船和重武装的海军船只就骚扰渔民和石油勘探船，，，，，，，将该区域军事化，建立军事基地，现在颁发有争议的中国地图护照， 而中国最新公布的这个法令违反了有关自由航行的国际法 。受影响的国家正在武装自己并推动外交解决，但他们并没有采取有效措施抵御住中国无情的袭击。是时候文明的国际社会组织起来抵御这个无法无天的行为，霸道的中国只会在面对更强的和联合起来的力量后才会后退
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Bully Americans
on Dec 2, 8:37 AM said:
@Henry ford: A bully Untied States will only step back when faced with superior strength and united forces and that is why Iran wants nukes. Shameless Americans screwed the world 100x over and no one is holding them accountable. G. Bush should have been tried as a war criminal for attacking Iraq and let the US soldiers raped and tortured. Disgusting white men !
霸道的美国只有在面对更强的和联合起来的力量前才会后退，这就是为什么伊朗想要核武器，不要脸的美国人艹了这个世界100X，没人能够让他们负起责任， 乔治布什侵略了伊拉克，让士兵们强奸，肆虐，所以他应该被判刑才对。 恶心的白人
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robert123
on Dec 1, 6:27 PM said:
When China was weak other countries took their lands. Now that China is strong, China wants their lands back.
当中国弱的时候其他国家占领他的土地，现在中国强了，中国要把土地要回来
Dan Dinh
on Dec 3, 3:50 AM said:
@robert123: The Southeast Asia Sea is never in history as a part of China so how come they want it back whether it is weak or strong?
东南亚海在历史上从来就不是中国的一部分，无论中国是否强弱。他们怎么会想要回来？
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Tak Masa
on Dec 1, 6:38 PM said:
The ambition of China to expand territorial possessions beyond the border is obvious.
China’s imperialism backed with powerful military forces including nuclear warhead is the greatest threat to the bordering nations including Japan.
中国超出边界扩张领土的野心很明显。
包括核弹头在内的军事力量的增强，中国的帝国主义回来了，这对包括日本在内的周边国家构成了威胁
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Chinese demonstrators shouted the demand for extermination of Japanese people with nuclear attacks. http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-demonstrators-call-for-nuclear-extermination-of-japanese-wild-dogs-2012-9
It was very scary.
Therefore, Japanese began to feel the necessity of possessing own nuclear defense force.
中国的示威者叫嚣着用核袭击来消灭日本人
这真可怕
因此日本人开始感觉到有必要持有自己的核防卫力量
samxy
on Dec 1, 7:55 PM said:
@Tak Masa: "The ambition of China to expand territorial possessions beyond the border is obvious."?!!
China is ambition in south China Sea??? My God. China is in her own China Sea is ambition??? It is China Sea. YOU ARE CLAIM SOME ONE AMBITION IN HIS OWN HOUSE.
Japan (WWII Criminal) feel uncomfortable?!! Is China take Japan Sea?
Tak Masa:"中国超越边界扩张领土的野心很明显“？！！中国在南中国海有野心？？？上帝呀，中国在她自己的海域被称作野心？？？这是中国海，你称一个在自己房子里人为有野心。
日 本二战罪犯感觉不舒服了？！！ 是中国占了日本海么？
Millie Cooper
on Dec 1, 9:33 PM said:
@Tak Masa: "Chinese demonstrators shouted the demand for extermination of Japanese people with nuclear attacks"
That's exactly what American rednecks wanted to Afghanistan.
中国的示威者叫嚣着用核袭击来消灭日本人
这完全就像是美国乡下佬想要对阿富汗那样做的
mark murphy
on Dec 1, 11:45 PM said:
@samxy: South China Sea is just a geographical referenced point, used by the Western ocean travelers 1500-1600's time frame. Sea names don't necessarily associate with ownership, for example Indian ocean is not owned by India. South China Sea is called East Sea by Vietnamese and West Philippines Sea by the Philippines. Please read some other books beside Chinese's to learn facts.
南中国海只不过是个地理称呼，被西方旅行者在1500-1600时期定义，海的名字并不一定关系到拥有者，例如印度洋并不是被印度所有，南中国海被越南称为东海，被菲律宾称为西菲律宾海，请读点中国以外的书学学真相
Read books
on Dec 2, 8:40 AM said:
@mark murphy: Vietnam did not exist until the Yuan dynasty.
直到元朝越南才存在
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mark murphy
on Dec 2, 6:26 PM said:
@Read books: Vietnamese identity as being tribal dated back to 2900 BC, occupying areas of now western coast of Hainan, coastal part of Guangdong and most of modern north Vietnam. Always pressured by ancient China, this Viet identified tribe survived, expanded. merged and migrated south along the coast line of what's now South China Sea. Along this 5,000 years of history ( 1,000 of which was ruled as Chinese colony and 3,000 years self-ruled but subordinated to imperial China by calling itself, small kingdom ), Vietnam declared nationhood in 1009 with the name Dai Viet or Great Viet and the king elevated to Emperor, equal status with China. Hanoi just celebrated 1,000 years being the capitol of that nation in 2009. The name Vietnam ( or the Viet of the south in Vietnamese ) was 1st introduced in 1802 by Gia Long Emperor after absorbing the nation of Champa ( now central Vietnam ) and part of Khmer empire ( now Cambodia ).
Regardless of how you defined nationhood, Vietnam can relate back to thousands of years of nation forming and exists officially as a independent but small empire since 1,009, long before Chinese Yuan dynasty of 1271.
越南作为部落历史能够被追溯到公元前2900，占据了现在的海南西海岸，广东海岸的部分地区和现在北越的大部分。期间一直被古中国所压制，越南作为部落幸存，扩张，合并，沿着现在的南中国海岸线向南移民。有着5000年历史的越南（其中1000年被中国人统治殖民， 3000年独立，但是以小藩国的名义从属于中华帝国）在1009年宣布独立，名字叫Dai Viet或者叫Great Viet（大越），国王晋升为皇帝，和中国地位持平。2009年河内庆祝了作为国家首都的1000年庆典。越南这个名字是嘉庆皇帝在吸收了占婆（现越南中部）和高棉帝国的部分地区（现柬埔寨）之后册封的。（实际情况为：1802年，阮福映在法国支持下灭西山朝，建立阮朝，之后接受中国清朝的嘉庆帝的更改册封为“越南国王”，正式建立新国号为“越南”。） 无论你怎么定义建国，根据官方越南作为一个小的帝国独立都能追述到1009年， 比1271年的元朝帝国还要早
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crusader80
on Dec 1, 6:42 PM said:
Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guantanamo, Guam, Saipan, Wake, Midway, Johnston....
夏威夷，波多黎各，关塔那摩，关岛，塞班，威克岛，中途岛，约翰斯顿，，，，
All hope is lost
on Dec 2, 2:56 PM said:
@crusader80: Did anyone see the video of a US senator talking about sending more troops to Guam? Its hilarious, its a small island and if you send too many troops the island might CAPSIZE !!
Hank Johnson (Congress D-GA) - Warns Guam May Capsize
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA
美国 的一个参议员 谈论派更多的军队进入关岛的视频有人看过么？这真令人捧腹。你要是往这样一个小岛派驻这么多军队，它可能会倾覆！！
Hank Johnson(Congress D-GA) -警告关岛可能会倾覆
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end the wars
promote to the Board Room. on Dec 1, 7:32 PM said:
Good for china, hell the u.s. t hinks it owns the water off of iran, and every other country in the world, so what the hell why shouldnt china follow the u.s. example at least the south china sea is in the chinese area of influence where as the neocons in the u.s. gov think everything in the world is their domain, good for china.
中国好样的，美国下地狱吧，美国认为他拥有伊朗和世界上其他所有国家之外的水域，所以为什么中国就不能追随美国这个例子，至少南中国海在中国的影响能力之下，而美国政府里的保守派认为他们能控制世界的每个地方，中国好样的
ha ha ha ha
on Dec 2, 8:42 AM said:
@3d: You are the one who needs to crawl out of your red neck parents basement.
哈哈哈哈
你真应该从你那无知的父母那里学会怎么东东脑子
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end the wars
on Dec 2, 11:05 AM said:
@3d: So it is ok for the u.s. to have over 800 military bases world wide , many of which surround iran , and its is ok for the u.s. to send aircraft carriers right off the shores of any and every country in the world, and when china moves to protect its sphere of influence everyone in the neocon dual israeli controlled u.s. gov aka puppet of israel, they have a shit fit, I personally would like to see china send this aircraft carrier right into the gulf of mexico, the u.s. gov is nothing but a rouge war machine.
美国在世界范围内有800个军事基地就ok!?而且许多还围着伊朗，美国派航母全世界四处游弋就ok? 当中国开始采取行动保护的自己的势力范围的时候 则影响到了每一个双面犹太人保守党，这些人控制着美国政府作为以色列的傀儡，他们就能干些P事，我个人更希望看见中国航母开进墨西哥湾，而美国政府只不过是个烧红了的战争机器
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Samxy
on Dec 1, 7:48 PM said:
Nine dash line was in 1940 Chinese map. Who ruled China then? It is not by CCP then for sure. Why no one complained then? Why China do something in SOUTH CHINA SEA bother the country which is thousands mile away? Look the most recent 300 year history book, it is China suffer from West Powers and Japan.
1940年的九段虚线地图 ，这时候谁在统治中国，肯定不是CCP， 为什么当时就没有人抱怨呢？ 为什么中国在南中国海做事的时候会骚扰到上千英里远的国家？看看最近300年的历史书，中国一直都在被西方列强和日本欺负。
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China only take back whatever islands which were belong to her for hundred years. What is problem for America? China do not take Texas from Mexico, do not make New Mexico state, China do not start WWII. In this world "Free Press" to make robber as justice person, to make WWII war criminal Japan as victim. Let open Republic of China (Taiwan) map to see where is the Chinese territory. The largest Island in south china sea is still under Republic of China.
中国只是拿回那些已经属于她几百年的岛屿，这个美国人有什么关系？中国并没有从墨西哥抢来德克萨斯，也没有建立新墨西哥州，中国没有发动二战，这个世界的“自由媒体”把强盗塑造成好人，把二战战犯日本当成受害者。在中华民国（台湾）的地图上看看中国的领土。南中国海上最大的岛屿仍然被中华民国控制
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Tak Masa
on Dec 1, 8:39 PM said:
It is said that Mao Tse-tung, Chinese infamous communist despot, had invaded Tibet in 1949, murdered several million Tibetan people, and had murdered their own 70 million people on the Great Leap Forward started in 1958 and the Cultural Revolution launched in 1966.
Tibetan people are still suffering from Chinese occupation, and nearly 70 young monks have performed self-burning for protest to Chinese brutal suppression.
The great tragedy in Tibet executed by Chinese communist tyranny is now under way in your face.
中国有名的共产主义暴君毛泽东在1949年入侵了西藏，杀死了上百万的西藏人， 1958年的大跃进和1966年的文革总共杀害死了7000万的中国人 。
西藏人民现在仍旧承受着中国人的占领，有近70个年轻的喇嘛自焚来抗议中国的残酷镇压。
中国共党的暴政导致了西藏的各种惨剧，而这一切都是在你的眼皮底下发生的
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C.J.
on Dec 2, 12:29 AM said:
The Chinese are not worried about fishing boats from Brunei.
China realizes that, in order to reach their ultimate goal of eliminating any US naval presence in the East Pacific, they must first have uncontested control of the near zones.
The immedaite goal is the seizure of Taiwan.
Over time, this zone of control will expand. The Phillipine's Luzon Island, South Korea and Japan's Kyushu Island are ALL in the crosshairs.
Remember, only America's pacifists and "progressives" have renounced war.
中国人担心的不是文莱的渔船
中国意识到，为了达到驱逐美国海军在东太平洋的势力这一终极目标，他们必须毫无争议的控制邻近区域
当务之急就是夺取台湾
随着时间推移，控制的范围将会扩大。菲律宾吕宋岛，韩国和日本九州岛都在夺取目标之列。
记住，只有美国的反战分子和改革派放弃战争。
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Tak Masa
on Dec 2, 5:51 AM said:
The indirect aggression to Taiwan by China almost gets closer to completion. A large quantity of Chinese immigrants got into Taiwan, and three of four Taiwanese main newspapers already went over to the hand of the Chinese capital. Thus, China came to be able to manipulate Taiwanese public opinion freely. The Ma Ying-jeou government is expected to enter the Chinese complete reign without war soon.
中国对台湾的间接入侵已经快成功了，大量中国移民进入台湾，三分之四的台湾主流报纸在中国资产控制之下。因此，中国能自由操纵台湾的公众意见。马英九政府正期望通过和平手段回归中国。
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On the other hand, China has the outright intention to steal Okinawa that is a territory of Japan. Several Okinawa-based newspapers of the left wing ruled over by Chinese covert operatives are agitating for the opposition movement to the United States Armed Forces which are stationed in Okinawa.
Interesting news was reported recently that a high ranked Chinese official suggested to Secretary of State Clinton even Hawaii is a Chinese territory.
There is no end to the ambition for expanding territories of China.
China is the Nazi of the 21st century, and she has become the world most hated nation.
另一方面，中国一直觊觎日本的冲绳。在中方秘密的控制与策划下，冲绳的左翼报纸正在煽动民众反对美国在冲绳的驻军。
最近有一个有趣的报道：一名中方高官向国务卿希拉里表示，夏威夷也是中国领土的一部分。
中国扩张领土的野心是没有尽头的。中国就是21世纪的纳粹，是当今世界最被仇恨的国家。
Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint
on Dec 2, 1:28 PM said:
@Tak Masa: What does Taiwan's passport say?? It is the Republic of China!!! Its constitution is to reunite back with China. People in Taiwan want to go back to China. What have you been smoking? You Japs should face up to your WWII crime and declare the truth about your aggression to the rest of Asian nations, the comfort women, biological warfare experiment in China, and so on.
日本曾经是，现在仍然是东方的纳粹国家。
@Tak Masa：台湾的护照上怎么写的？？上面写的是中华民国（Republic of China）！这意味着他们将要和中国大陆重新联合。台湾的人们希望统一。你们日本人应该正视你们在二战中犯下的罪行，承认你们对亚洲国家的侵略，承认在生化实验中残害中国人，承认强征慰安妇等等事实！
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Onkinawa is an independent nation prior to the invasion of Japan, and so is Dan Yu Tai Islands off Taiwan's coast, just look how far it is from Japanese main island.
You should put words in your mouth that there is no end to the ambition for expanding territories of Japan. Japan was and still is the Nazi of the 21st century, and she has been the world most hated thug.
冲绳在日本入侵以前是一个独立的国家， 而靠近台湾海岸的钓鱼岛之前也是一个独立的国家，看看这个岛屿离日本本土有多远吧 。
你应该说的是，拥有无止境领土扩张野心的国家是日本。
日本是21世纪的纳粹，她是世界上最令人讨厌的强盗。
（注：大陆人称钓鱼岛，日本人称尖阁群岛，台湾人称钓鱼台）
ashleyhk
on Dec 3, 7:00 AM said:
@Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint: Japan was and still is the Nazi of the Oreint
Japan was etc.
Why do polls consistently show 80-85% of Taiwanese do NOT want to "reunite" with China?
When is China going to admit to the 50 million deaths caused by Mao's policies during the Great Leap Forward? My wifes grandparents starved to death in Sichuan, the breadbasket of China.
Nobody likes present day China. Hong Kong people, Singaporeans, wherever, loathe Mainland Chinese people.
Reflect on this.
为什么民意测试显示有80-85%的台湾人不想“回归”中国？
什么时候中国才会承认因为毛在大跃进的政策导致5千万人死亡。我妻子的祖父母在四川饿死的，而四川是中国的粮仓。
没人喜欢现今的中国，香港人，新加坡人，或者其他什么地方的，憎恶中国大陆人
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Pathcoin
on Dec 2, 4:38 PM said:
China thinks it can see annex the South China Seas because it sees American as a declining world power. It is expanding into the vacuum.
中国以为他能吞并南中国海，因为他看见美国作为超级大国的衰退，他要填补真空
有几方面势力？
三方势力～美帝，自费五毛和香蕉人。
嘴炮，只能煽动、忽悠而已。
丛林法则是弱肉强食，只不过要披着道德的外衣。
而道德的外衣又需要嘴炮来制造！
丛林法则是弱肉强食，只不过要披着道德的外衣。
而道德的外衣又需要嘴炮来制造！
由他们说，最终还是实力决定一切，当初输入鸦片都能被作为是文明的贸易品要求我们接受，那今天，说得在冠冕堂皇又如何？
让他们喷的更厉害点吧~
诸如越南等连文字都是别人发明的国家 就不要谈什么地区大国 区域强国 娘胎里就没带的好 怎么跟别人争
美国还能吞并德克萨斯夏威夷关岛呢 中国只是拿回本来属于自己的南中国海
能有哪个国家的军队比美国兵的丑事多？？呵呵
连三岁小孩子都知道美国是霸权主义国家，
在世界各地输出革命，反动，分裂，及披着“民主自由”外衣的恐怖主义
能有哪个国家的军队比美国兵的丑事多？？呵呵
连三岁小孩子都知道美国是霸权主义国家，
在世界各地输出革命，反动，分裂，及披着“民主自由”外衣的恐怖主义
里面一堆势力，各说各的有理，所以要判断那个有理，真理就是实力，否则一切都是空谈，这年头，连美国这个凭杀了一亿多印第安土著，占领别人的领土的国家，现在也变成了很多所谓公知专家脑残的真理之国，道理是胜利者书写的，那怕真的有理，打输，一切都是枉然，中国被侵占被列国瓜分的时候，谁跟中国讨回道理，没有，所以，做好自己，才是真理！
type55z 发表于 2012-12-7 11:17 ![]()
由他们说，最终还是实力决定一切，当初输入鸦片都能被作为是文明的贸易品要求我们接受，那今天，说得在冠冕 ...
人性就是这样，其实现在吼的最厉害的人，说不定当你强大的时候，就会最先成为给你带路的先锋，给你唱赞歌的自费五毛，成为自带干粮的狗狗
由他们说，最终还是实力决定一切，当初输入鸦片都能被作为是文明的贸易品要求我们接受，那今天，说得在冠冕 ...
人性就是这样，其实现在吼的最厉害的人，说不定当你强大的时候，就会最先成为给你带路的先锋，给你唱赞歌的自费五毛，成为自带干粮的狗狗
成王败寇不解释.
知我者谓我心忧，不知我者谓我何求
在海外的留学生等还是很给力的，把MD吞并瓜分墨西哥都给搬出来了
其实西方人的那套冠冕堂皇的逻辑西方人是不信的，西方人只信力量
谁的腰最粗听谁的
其实西方人的那套冠冕堂皇的逻辑西方人是不信的，西方人只信力量
谁的腰最粗听谁的
好像还有轮子看来至少西方人比隔壁帖子里的AV国宅男智商高点。
我们难道要允许中国来摆布小国么？
我们才是唯一能摆布其他国家的国家
这位说出了真相啊
本来就是我们的，什么叫吞并啊？
明年局座工作重点是西方了
还有猴子和鬼子乘水摸鱼
看到这些美帝愚民的言论，我不禁奇怪，这些愚民怎么就那么相信美帝的媒体报道，怎么就那么好忽悠？怎么从没有用自己的脑袋想问题？有调查说美帝只有少量精英才知道事实真相，才会用脑袋思考，其它都是有“自由，民主”的工具，愚民，这些拥有“民主，自由”被操纵的可怜人！！
咱们那几年的灾害真到底是天灾还是人为造成的？
我快被忽悠成脑残了……
我快被忽悠成脑残了……
印度洋肯定不是印度的，但是南中国海肯定是中国的
我看出来了。九段线是领土线。
你问为什么？那我问你，为什么你觉得你家的卧室是你的？
什么南中国海，明明就是中国南海。被洗脑洗的东南西北都分不清楚的有一大票
很好， 这样的评论才让我等喜欢。
连猴子都有脸说自己有5000年历史，难怪宇宙大国会认为自己发明了世界…
美国人和欧洲人长期妖魔化天朝。
我不知道是不是自己变态，我就是喜欢别人抗议我们！
为何有人认为中国要失去中国南海？
自干五辛苦了！~
一堆脑残。
离大陆有多远关它P事，用现在流行的话说，这种观点是典型的“海洋决定陆地”，完全违背了“陆地决定海洋”的原则……陆地，也就是那些岛岛，自古以来就是我们的。
另外，1951年西藏一共也就一百万人左右。:)
离大陆有多远关它P事，用现在流行的话说，这种观点是典型的“海洋决定陆地”，完全违背了“陆地决定海洋”的原则……陆地，也就是那些岛岛，自古以来就是我们的。
另外，1951年西藏一共也就一百万人左右。:)
一名中方高官向国务卿希拉里表示，夏威夷也是中国领土的一部分。
这是穿越回来的高官吗？现在是2012，离2030还早
这是穿越回来的高官吗？现在是2012，离2030还早
在丛林法则的“国际社会”里用嘴炮标榜“正义和公平”？
死了7000W的大陆和好几百W的西藏，知道当时人口多少吗？
死了7000W的大陆和好几百W的西藏，知道当时人口多少吗？
人类发展到现在，丛林法则还是最基本的形态，你有实力说啥都行，没实力就过过嘴瘾吧。
先吞下南海，再吞下太平洋，土鳖的目标很远大
这嘴仗打的可真够激烈的
真要死了7000W那还得了，也许论坛很多人都不存在了。60年代现在的人一般都好几个兄弟姐妹的，有那么困难还能养活？
三分之四的台湾主流报纸在中国资产控制之下
这句话我该怎么理解？
这句话我该怎么理解？