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Fake Parts are Everywhere
到处都是假冒伪劣零件
原文地址：http://defensetech.org/2012/05/2 ... erywhere/#idc-cover
翻译：南田翡翠
正文翻译 ：
Well, after months of research, Senate Armed Services Committee investigators have discovered “a flood” counterfet parts in everything from critical navigation software for newly modernized C-5 Galaxy cargo planes to “assemblies” destined for RQ-4 Global Hawk spy planes, submarines and even Stryker Mobile Gun Systems.
好吧，经过数月的调查，美国参议院军事委员会的调查人员发现从最新升级的C-5“银河”运输机上的关键导航软件，到RQ-4全球鹰侦察机、潜艇甚至斯瑞克机动火炮系统的组装配件都充斥着大量假冒伪劣零件。
Now, we’ve known that fake parts — usually made in China — have been making their way into Defense Department maintenance depots for years. However, a brand new report by the SASC details how fake parts are making their way into some of the military’s newest and most advanced weapons systems. How many fake parts in DoD supply chains were discovered by the committee’s investigation? 84,000 from just one Chinese supplier.
现在，我们都知道假零件——通常来自中国——已经在国防部维修站使用了多年了。然而，参议院军事委员会的最新报告详细说明了这些假零件是怎么进入我军一些最新和最先进的武器系统的。委员会在国防部的供应链中发现了多少假零件?来自中国供应商的就有84000个。
Here’s a key excerpt from a SASC summary of the report:
下面是参议院军事委员会报告的摘要：
The Committee’s report includes detailed descriptions of how counterfeits are flooding the supply chain, risking the performance and reliability of critical defense systems. In just one example described in the report, the U.S. Air Force says that a single electronic parts supplier, Hong Dark Electronic Trade of Shenzhen, China, supplied approximately 84,000 suspect counterfeit electronic parts into the DOD supply chain.
参议院军事委员会的报告详细地描述了假冒伪劣零件在供应链中是何等泛滥，是如何威胁关键防御系统的表现和可靠性的。就拿报告的其中一个例子来说，美国空军表示，仅仅是单纯一个电子元件供应商，中国深圳宏兴达科技有限公司，就为美国国防部的供应链提供了84000个可能是假冒伪劣产品的零件。
Parts from Hong Dark made it into Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance Systems (TCAS) intended for the C-5AMP, C-12, and the Global Hawk. In addition, parts from Hong Dark made it into assemblies intended for the P-3, the Special Operations Force A/MH-6M, and other military equipment, like the Excalibur (an extended range artillery projectile), the Navy Integrated Submarine Imaging System, and the Army Stryker Mobile Gun.
宏兴达供应的零件被应用到了C-5、C-12运输机以及全球鹰侦察机的交通警报和避撞系统上。此外，宏兴达供应的零件还被制成了P-3反潜巡逻机、特种部队A/MH-6M直升机和其它一些军事装备例如“神剑”榴弹(长距离火炮炮弹)、海军集成潜艇成像系统和斯瑞克机动火炮系统的组件。
The report goes on to state that China has shown little interest in doing anything to stop the flow of fake parts to the U.S. Even worse, “the Department of Defense lacks knowledge of the scope and impact of counterfeit parts on critical defense systems,” states the report.
该报告继续声称中国对打击流向美国的假冒伪劣零件毫无兴趣。更糟糕的是，“国防部前往中国调查关键防御系统上假冒伪零件的人员被中国拒签，”报告说。
In addition to the billions of dollars worth of economic damage the Chinese counterfeiting industry does to legit businesses, fake parts in high-end weapons systems pose a massive safety threat for obvious reasons. Oh, and don’t forget that counterfeit microchips put into a U.S. weapon could easily serve as a conduit for Chinese cyber attacks.
此外，中国的假冒伪劣行业对合法经营造成了相当于数十亿美元的经济损失。高端武器系统上的假零件造成了严重的安全威胁。对，不要忘了美国武器上有假冒伪劣的微芯片，因此，中国可以能过网络攻击轻松控制这些武器为自己服务。
Click through the jump to read the report summary.
要想阅读此报告的摘要，请点此链接。
SASC Counterfeit Electronics Report 05–21-12
评论翻译 (按评分排序)：
Cody · 18 hours ago +28(+28是评分，每有一人点赞成就+1)
at what point do we, the USA, realize that we need to stop producing everything in China - ESPECIALLY PARTS FOR OUR WEAPON SYSTEMS!
its bad enough we let them get by putting spyware on Apple computers.
Come on guys open your eyes.. Their economy is booming, while we are falling into poverty more and more each day. what a joke.
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
要到什么时候，我们美国才能意识到我们需要停止在中国生产所有东西——尤其是我们武器系统的零件!
我们让中国人在苹果电脑中种间谍程序已经够坑爹了。
大伙，睁开你的双眼。中国的经济正在繁荣发展，而我们在日益变穷。太扯淡了!
Andy · 18 hours ago
The Gov. are clueless...
政府真愚蠢……
Andy · 17 hours ago+1
The Gov. are clueless...
政府真愚蠢……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Isn't free-market capitalism wonderful?
自由贸易不美妙吗?
Ryan · 18 hours ago +12
The simple solution is stop buying parts from Chinese suppliers. Implementing that is not a simple task though. This is not to say that all US manufacturers are perfect, but it should make the process simpler. We will have to be willing to pay more of course. But that is the age old debate, Price vs. Quality.
唯一的解决办法就是停止从中国的供应商进口零件。虽然执行起来并不容易。这并不是说美国的所有制造商都是完美的，但是这会使流程变得更简单。当然，我们将不得不自愿付更多的钱。但是，那是个老生常谈的议题了，“价格vs.质量”。
1 reply · active 6 hours ago
cs4 · 6 hours ago 0
Unfortunately, you did pay more but the suppliers want even more, so they charged you high prices and pay less to manufacturers.
不幸的是，你确实付了更多的钱，但供应商胃口更大，因此，他们会给你报一个很高的价格，却给制造商更少的钱。
blight_ 86p · 16 hours ago +10
Trying to imagine what WW2 would be like if America didn't have factories and instead used a foreign power to supply parts, with the parts suddenly getting cut off during wartime.
Sounds an awful lot like the fuel shortage that drove Japan into WW2 and the tungsten/POL shortages that stymied Germany.
想像一下，如果美国在二战中没有工厂，而是靠外国势力供应零件，并且在战争中突然中断零件的供应，情况会变成啥样?
听起来十分可怕，就和二战中的日本缺乏石油与德国缺乏钨和石油的后果一样。
Josh · 17 hours ago +10
This is something that really ****** me off and scares me. The entire concept of producing out military's weapons, some of the most sophisticated in the world, in a frenemy country or any foriegn country for that mayter is beyond idiotic. Sure, labor is cheaper bit at what cost to our security needs and military lives? We could create jobs y producing them here In the states... And we wouldnt have to wrry about our best aircraft being produced in china of all places. How stupid can our government and defense industry get? I pray someone fixes the whole way our weapons are made, and even if they fix all the faulty parts, your letting china produce it... I mean really? Am i the only one who sees this as completely stupid beyond belief?
M的，这真是吓到我了。通过一个腹黑国家或者任何其它外国生产军事武器的整个理念都是极其SB的。确实，劳动成本是低一点，但我们在安全上要付出多大代价，我们得付出多少个士兵的生命?在本国生产这些东西，我们可以创造更多的工作机会。而且我们也不再需要担心我们最好的飞机到处都是中国造的。我国的政府和军工企业是多么SB啊?我祈祷有人能够修好我们所有的武器，即使他们修好所有有故障的零件——你们让中国生产的零件……我是说真的吗?我是不是唯一一个认为这种做法SB到不行的人?
Andy · 18 hours ago +10
Blame the Goverment, all the Electronic parts are manufacture in China, Gov. never set guide line.
2 replies · active 3 hours ago
都怪政府，所有的电子零件都是中国造的，政府从来都不设个标准。
matt · 13 hours ago 0
I think thats part of the problem. Most of it has to do with laziness from the host companies and a total lack of oversight and parts accountability. Blame starts with them.
我认为那只是此问题的一部分。主要应归咎于本地的企业的懒惰、完全缺乏监管以及零件责任制。应该首先指责他们。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Blame govt because greedy corps want to maximise their profits? I thought profits are superior to patriotism, no? What's the matter? You don't like capitalism? What are you -- a socialist?
因为贪婪的企业想要最大化利润而怪政府?我认为赚钱比爱国重要，不是吗?怎么了?你不喜欢资本主义?你是什么主义者——是社会主义者?
StrumPanzer 92p · 15 hours ago +7
What we need to do is stop buying foreign parts and start producing a military electrics and parts here in the US where we can keep a close eye on them. Also any company caught trying to sell counterfeit parts should have large fines levied against them.
我们需要做的是停止购买外国零件，并且在我们可以密切监视到的美国生产军用零件和电子元件。同时，任何企业一旦被抓到试图出售假冒伪劣零件，我们必须从重处罚。
Uranium238 · 16 hours ago +7
Two Words: Sabotage and Espionage.
The people who authorized foreign production of these chips should be tried for treason on both terms state above. Who the hell knows what the Chicoms wrote on those chips. They could push a button and cause the entire software interface to shut down on our combat aircraft carrying these bad chips. Makes me almost wonder now what Chinese electronic hardware was installed to monitor the F-22's life support systems.
2 replies · active 3 hours ago
两个词：“阴谋破坏”和“间谍活动”。
任何授权外国生产这些芯片的人都应处以叛国罪。谁特么知道TG在那些芯片上写了些什么。他们按个按钮就可以关掉我们装有这些烂芯片的战斗机的整个软件界面。
这让我现在很好奇F-22的生存支持系统到底装了中国的什么电子元件。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Not going to happen. The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who over-promise and under-deliver.
楼上，政府不会那么做的。政府已经被那些夸海口却短斤缺两的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Not going to happen. The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who over-promise and under-deliver.
(译者：重复发帖)楼上，政府不会那么做的。政府已经被那些夸海口却短斤缺两的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。
vok · 16 hours ago +6
Unfortunately, the situation is beyond the point of reversibility already. You won’t able to find US vendors capable of fabricating basic electronic components. I’m talking about engineering expertise, manufacturing, QA, etc, the entire life cycle of product. They are all gone. You stop importation, the final assembly lines stay idle, regardless of cost of doing business. The other day I posted an article here and pointed out the madness of outsourcing. I was re-educated by some hot shot who claims the new era of US technical dominance by using Facebook and Yahoo as examples. Well, good luck with that.
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
不幸的是，情况已经发展到无法挽回的地步了。美国的供应商已连制造最基本的电子元件的能力都没有了了。我所说的(能力)是工程技术、制造、品质保证等等。这些东西都已经丢了。除开商业成本，一旦你停止进口，组装线就会赋闲。前些天，我曾在这里发过一个帖子，指出外包的疯狂性。一些高手以Facebook 和 Yahoo为例，宣称一个美国统治技术的新时代已经到来，我着实是受教了。好吧，祝之好运。
blight_ 86p · 16 hours ago
Software innovation is nice, but unless you want to run on someone else's hardware...
软件创新是很棒，但是，除非你想让你的软件在别人的硬件上运行，不然……
Kent Seering · 7 hours ago 0
Actually, that's not true. I work for a company that is a competitor for these contract parts, made right here in Phoenix. AND we are still going strong. They are a problem, but NOT EVERY PIECE is made overseas, nor are a danger to the future of our security. Now, if some of these other contractors would stop buying sub-standard, counterfeit parts...
楼上，事实并非如此。我在凤凰城的一家生产这些零件的公司工作。我们依然很强。有个问题就是，并非所有的零件都来自外国，而且也并非所有的零件都会威胁我国的安全。现在，如果其它一些合约商愿意停止购买假冒伪劣零件，那么……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
To paraphrase V.I. Lenin, the capitalists will sell the rope to the ones who will hang them.
列宁说过，资本家会向那些会绞死自己的人出售绳子。
Andy · 17 hours ago +6
you guys can thumb down my post all you want, but the fact are none of the ELECTRONIC parts are made here in the US......just name one part....CAPACITOR, IC, RESISTOR ETC.... are all made in China...AGAIN the gov. are clueless before it too late.....
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
你们可以给我帖子差评，但是，事实就是没有任何电子元件是在美国生产的……比如说电容、集成电路、电阻等等，全都是中国造的。再一次呼吁政府，别在犯SB了，在事情不可挽回之前……
John Moore · 14 hours ago +4
You are correct but they all originated here sad we lost that ability.
楼上说得对，但是这些零件最初都发源于我国，遗憾的是我们失去了制造的能力。
Kent S. · 7 hours ago 0
Actually, that's not true. I work for a company that is a competitor for these contract parts, made right here in Phoenix. AND we are still going strong. They are a problem, but NOT EVERY PIECE is made overseas, nor are a danger to the future of our security. Now, if some of these other contractors would stop buying sub-standard, counterfeit parts...
(译者：又是一重复发帖)楼上，事实并非如此。我在凤凰城的一家生产这些零件的公司工作。我们依然很强。有个问题就是，并非所有的零件都来自外国，而且也并非所有的零件都会威胁我国的安全。现在，如果其它一些合约商愿意停止购买假冒伪劣零件，那么……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago0
The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who make huge campaign 'contributions'. The govt isn't going to do much about it.
政府已经被那些为他们竞选作出巨大“贡献”的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。政府不会在这个问题上有多大作为的。
4FingerOfBouron · 17 hours ago +6
兔民有好多回复很有意思，最亮的是晓之精灵的回复：假货都是中国的，历史都是棒子的，正义都是MD的，AV都是鬼畜的。我觉着再加一句未来全靠三哥的就完善了！
And the sad things is we are probably not going to do anything about it!
而且，悲剧的是，我们可能根本不会对此问题进行任何处理。
Chris · 18 hours ago +5
Part of the problem lies in the procurement process itself... not just with the integrity of the suppliers.
部分问题在于采购流程本身……不只是因为供应商奸诈。
原帖地址：http://bbs.cntv.cn/thread-16537101-1-1.html
Fake Parts are Everywhere
到处都是假冒伪劣零件
原文地址：http://defensetech.org/2012/05/2 ... erywhere/#idc-cover
翻译：南田翡翠
正文翻译 ：
Well, after months of research, Senate Armed Services Committee investigators have discovered “a flood” counterfet parts in everything from critical navigation software for newly modernized C-5 Galaxy cargo planes to “assemblies” destined for RQ-4 Global Hawk spy planes, submarines and even Stryker Mobile Gun Systems.
好吧，经过数月的调查，美国参议院军事委员会的调查人员发现从最新升级的C-5“银河”运输机上的关键导航软件，到RQ-4全球鹰侦察机、潜艇甚至斯瑞克机动火炮系统的组装配件都充斥着大量假冒伪劣零件。
Now, we’ve known that fake parts — usually made in China — have been making their way into Defense Department maintenance depots for years. However, a brand new report by the SASC details how fake parts are making their way into some of the military’s newest and most advanced weapons systems. How many fake parts in DoD supply chains were discovered by the committee’s investigation? 84,000 from just one Chinese supplier.
现在，我们都知道假零件——通常来自中国——已经在国防部维修站使用了多年了。然而，参议院军事委员会的最新报告详细说明了这些假零件是怎么进入我军一些最新和最先进的武器系统的。委员会在国防部的供应链中发现了多少假零件?来自中国供应商的就有84000个。
Here’s a key excerpt from a SASC summary of the report:
下面是参议院军事委员会报告的摘要：
The Committee’s report includes detailed descriptions of how counterfeits are flooding the supply chain, risking the performance and reliability of critical defense systems. In just one example described in the report, the U.S. Air Force says that a single electronic parts supplier, Hong Dark Electronic Trade of Shenzhen, China, supplied approximately 84,000 suspect counterfeit electronic parts into the DOD supply chain.
参议院军事委员会的报告详细地描述了假冒伪劣零件在供应链中是何等泛滥，是如何威胁关键防御系统的表现和可靠性的。就拿报告的其中一个例子来说，美国空军表示，仅仅是单纯一个电子元件供应商，中国深圳宏兴达科技有限公司，就为美国国防部的供应链提供了84000个可能是假冒伪劣产品的零件。
Parts from Hong Dark made it into Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance Systems (TCAS) intended for the C-5AMP, C-12, and the Global Hawk. In addition, parts from Hong Dark made it into assemblies intended for the P-3, the Special Operations Force A/MH-6M, and other military equipment, like the Excalibur (an extended range artillery projectile), the Navy Integrated Submarine Imaging System, and the Army Stryker Mobile Gun.
宏兴达供应的零件被应用到了C-5、C-12运输机以及全球鹰侦察机的交通警报和避撞系统上。此外，宏兴达供应的零件还被制成了P-3反潜巡逻机、特种部队A/MH-6M直升机和其它一些军事装备例如“神剑”榴弹(长距离火炮炮弹)、海军集成潜艇成像系统和斯瑞克机动火炮系统的组件。
The report goes on to state that China has shown little interest in doing anything to stop the flow of fake parts to the U.S. Even worse, “the Department of Defense lacks knowledge of the scope and impact of counterfeit parts on critical defense systems,” states the report.
该报告继续声称中国对打击流向美国的假冒伪劣零件毫无兴趣。更糟糕的是，“国防部前往中国调查关键防御系统上假冒伪零件的人员被中国拒签，”报告说。
In addition to the billions of dollars worth of economic damage the Chinese counterfeiting industry does to legit businesses, fake parts in high-end weapons systems pose a massive safety threat for obvious reasons. Oh, and don’t forget that counterfeit microchips put into a U.S. weapon could easily serve as a conduit for Chinese cyber attacks.
此外，中国的假冒伪劣行业对合法经营造成了相当于数十亿美元的经济损失。高端武器系统上的假零件造成了严重的安全威胁。对，不要忘了美国武器上有假冒伪劣的微芯片，因此，中国可以能过网络攻击轻松控制这些武器为自己服务。
Click through the jump to read the report summary.
要想阅读此报告的摘要，请点此链接。
SASC Counterfeit Electronics Report 05–21-12
评论翻译 (按评分排序)：
Cody · 18 hours ago +28(+28是评分，每有一人点赞成就+1)
at what point do we, the USA, realize that we need to stop producing everything in China - ESPECIALLY PARTS FOR OUR WEAPON SYSTEMS!
its bad enough we let them get by putting spyware on Apple computers.
Come on guys open your eyes.. Their economy is booming, while we are falling into poverty more and more each day. what a joke.
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
要到什么时候，我们美国才能意识到我们需要停止在中国生产所有东西——尤其是我们武器系统的零件!
我们让中国人在苹果电脑中种间谍程序已经够坑爹了。
大伙，睁开你的双眼。中国的经济正在繁荣发展，而我们在日益变穷。太扯淡了!
Andy · 18 hours ago
The Gov. are clueless...
政府真愚蠢……
Andy · 17 hours ago+1
The Gov. are clueless...
政府真愚蠢……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Isn't free-market capitalism wonderful?
自由贸易不美妙吗?
Ryan · 18 hours ago +12
The simple solution is stop buying parts from Chinese suppliers. Implementing that is not a simple task though. This is not to say that all US manufacturers are perfect, but it should make the process simpler. We will have to be willing to pay more of course. But that is the age old debate, Price vs. Quality.
唯一的解决办法就是停止从中国的供应商进口零件。虽然执行起来并不容易。这并不是说美国的所有制造商都是完美的，但是这会使流程变得更简单。当然，我们将不得不自愿付更多的钱。但是，那是个老生常谈的议题了，“价格vs.质量”。
1 reply · active 6 hours ago
cs4 · 6 hours ago 0
Unfortunately, you did pay more but the suppliers want even more, so they charged you high prices and pay less to manufacturers.
不幸的是，你确实付了更多的钱，但供应商胃口更大，因此，他们会给你报一个很高的价格，却给制造商更少的钱。
blight_ 86p · 16 hours ago +10
Trying to imagine what WW2 would be like if America didn't have factories and instead used a foreign power to supply parts, with the parts suddenly getting cut off during wartime.
Sounds an awful lot like the fuel shortage that drove Japan into WW2 and the tungsten/POL shortages that stymied Germany.
想像一下，如果美国在二战中没有工厂，而是靠外国势力供应零件，并且在战争中突然中断零件的供应，情况会变成啥样?
听起来十分可怕，就和二战中的日本缺乏石油与德国缺乏钨和石油的后果一样。
Josh · 17 hours ago +10
This is something that really ****** me off and scares me. The entire concept of producing out military's weapons, some of the most sophisticated in the world, in a frenemy country or any foriegn country for that mayter is beyond idiotic. Sure, labor is cheaper bit at what cost to our security needs and military lives? We could create jobs y producing them here In the states... And we wouldnt have to wrry about our best aircraft being produced in china of all places. How stupid can our government and defense industry get? I pray someone fixes the whole way our weapons are made, and even if they fix all the faulty parts, your letting china produce it... I mean really? Am i the only one who sees this as completely stupid beyond belief?
M的，这真是吓到我了。通过一个腹黑国家或者任何其它外国生产军事武器的整个理念都是极其SB的。确实，劳动成本是低一点，但我们在安全上要付出多大代价，我们得付出多少个士兵的生命?在本国生产这些东西，我们可以创造更多的工作机会。而且我们也不再需要担心我们最好的飞机到处都是中国造的。我国的政府和军工企业是多么SB啊?我祈祷有人能够修好我们所有的武器，即使他们修好所有有故障的零件——你们让中国生产的零件……我是说真的吗?我是不是唯一一个认为这种做法SB到不行的人?
Andy · 18 hours ago +10
Blame the Goverment, all the Electronic parts are manufacture in China, Gov. never set guide line.
2 replies · active 3 hours ago
都怪政府，所有的电子零件都是中国造的，政府从来都不设个标准。
matt · 13 hours ago 0
I think thats part of the problem. Most of it has to do with laziness from the host companies and a total lack of oversight and parts accountability. Blame starts with them.
我认为那只是此问题的一部分。主要应归咎于本地的企业的懒惰、完全缺乏监管以及零件责任制。应该首先指责他们。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Blame govt because greedy corps want to maximise their profits? I thought profits are superior to patriotism, no? What's the matter? You don't like capitalism? What are you -- a socialist?
因为贪婪的企业想要最大化利润而怪政府?我认为赚钱比爱国重要，不是吗?怎么了?你不喜欢资本主义?你是什么主义者——是社会主义者?
StrumPanzer 92p · 15 hours ago +7
What we need to do is stop buying foreign parts and start producing a military electrics and parts here in the US where we can keep a close eye on them. Also any company caught trying to sell counterfeit parts should have large fines levied against them.
我们需要做的是停止购买外国零件，并且在我们可以密切监视到的美国生产军用零件和电子元件。同时，任何企业一旦被抓到试图出售假冒伪劣零件，我们必须从重处罚。
Uranium238 · 16 hours ago +7
Two Words: Sabotage and Espionage.
The people who authorized foreign production of these chips should be tried for treason on both terms state above. Who the hell knows what the Chicoms wrote on those chips. They could push a button and cause the entire software interface to shut down on our combat aircraft carrying these bad chips. Makes me almost wonder now what Chinese electronic hardware was installed to monitor the F-22's life support systems.
2 replies · active 3 hours ago
两个词：“阴谋破坏”和“间谍活动”。
任何授权外国生产这些芯片的人都应处以叛国罪。谁特么知道TG在那些芯片上写了些什么。他们按个按钮就可以关掉我们装有这些烂芯片的战斗机的整个软件界面。
这让我现在很好奇F-22的生存支持系统到底装了中国的什么电子元件。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Not going to happen. The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who over-promise and under-deliver.
楼上，政府不会那么做的。政府已经被那些夸海口却短斤缺两的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Not going to happen. The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who over-promise and under-deliver.
(译者：重复发帖)楼上，政府不会那么做的。政府已经被那些夸海口却短斤缺两的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。
vok · 16 hours ago +6
Unfortunately, the situation is beyond the point of reversibility already. You won’t able to find US vendors capable of fabricating basic electronic components. I’m talking about engineering expertise, manufacturing, QA, etc, the entire life cycle of product. They are all gone. You stop importation, the final assembly lines stay idle, regardless of cost of doing business. The other day I posted an article here and pointed out the madness of outsourcing. I was re-educated by some hot shot who claims the new era of US technical dominance by using Facebook and Yahoo as examples. Well, good luck with that.
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
不幸的是，情况已经发展到无法挽回的地步了。美国的供应商已连制造最基本的电子元件的能力都没有了了。我所说的(能力)是工程技术、制造、品质保证等等。这些东西都已经丢了。除开商业成本，一旦你停止进口，组装线就会赋闲。前些天，我曾在这里发过一个帖子，指出外包的疯狂性。一些高手以Facebook 和 Yahoo为例，宣称一个美国统治技术的新时代已经到来，我着实是受教了。好吧，祝之好运。
blight_ 86p · 16 hours ago
Software innovation is nice, but unless you want to run on someone else's hardware...
软件创新是很棒，但是，除非你想让你的软件在别人的硬件上运行，不然……
Kent Seering · 7 hours ago 0
Actually, that's not true. I work for a company that is a competitor for these contract parts, made right here in Phoenix. AND we are still going strong. They are a problem, but NOT EVERY PIECE is made overseas, nor are a danger to the future of our security. Now, if some of these other contractors would stop buying sub-standard, counterfeit parts...
楼上，事实并非如此。我在凤凰城的一家生产这些零件的公司工作。我们依然很强。有个问题就是，并非所有的零件都来自外国，而且也并非所有的零件都会威胁我国的安全。现在，如果其它一些合约商愿意停止购买假冒伪劣零件，那么……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
To paraphrase V.I. Lenin, the capitalists will sell the rope to the ones who will hang them.
列宁说过，资本家会向那些会绞死自己的人出售绳子。
Andy · 17 hours ago +6
you guys can thumb down my post all you want, but the fact are none of the ELECTRONIC parts are made here in the US......just name one part....CAPACITOR, IC, RESISTOR ETC.... are all made in China...AGAIN the gov. are clueless before it too late.....
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
你们可以给我帖子差评，但是，事实就是没有任何电子元件是在美国生产的……比如说电容、集成电路、电阻等等，全都是中国造的。再一次呼吁政府，别在犯SB了，在事情不可挽回之前……
John Moore · 14 hours ago +4
You are correct but they all originated here sad we lost that ability.
楼上说得对，但是这些零件最初都发源于我国，遗憾的是我们失去了制造的能力。
Kent S. · 7 hours ago 0
Actually, that's not true. I work for a company that is a competitor for these contract parts, made right here in Phoenix. AND we are still going strong. They are a problem, but NOT EVERY PIECE is made overseas, nor are a danger to the future of our security. Now, if some of these other contractors would stop buying sub-standard, counterfeit parts...
(译者：又是一重复发帖)楼上，事实并非如此。我在凤凰城的一家生产这些零件的公司工作。我们依然很强。有个问题就是，并非所有的零件都来自外国，而且也并非所有的零件都会威胁我国的安全。现在，如果其它一些合约商愿意停止购买假冒伪劣零件，那么……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago0
The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who make huge campaign 'contributions'. The govt isn't going to do much about it.
政府已经被那些为他们竞选作出巨大“贡献”的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。政府不会在这个问题上有多大作为的。
4FingerOfBouron · 17 hours ago +6
兔民有好多回复很有意思，最亮的是晓之精灵的回复：假货都是中国的，历史都是棒子的，正义都是MD的，AV都是鬼畜的。我觉着再加一句未来全靠三哥的就完善了！
And the sad things is we are probably not going to do anything about it!
而且，悲剧的是，我们可能根本不会对此问题进行任何处理。
Chris · 18 hours ago +5
Part of the problem lies in the procurement process itself... not just with the integrity of the suppliers.
部分问题在于采购流程本身……不只是因为供应商奸诈。
原帖地址：http://bbs.cntv.cn/thread-16537101-1-1.html
到处都是假冒伪劣零件
原文地址：http://defensetech.org/2012/05/2 ... erywhere/#idc-cover
翻译：南田翡翠
正文翻译 ：
Well, after months of research, Senate Armed Services Committee investigators have discovered “a flood” counterfet parts in everything from critical navigation software for newly modernized C-5 Galaxy cargo planes to “assemblies” destined for RQ-4 Global Hawk spy planes, submarines and even Stryker Mobile Gun Systems.
好吧，经过数月的调查，美国参议院军事委员会的调查人员发现从最新升级的C-5“银河”运输机上的关键导航软件，到RQ-4全球鹰侦察机、潜艇甚至斯瑞克机动火炮系统的组装配件都充斥着大量假冒伪劣零件。
Now, we’ve known that fake parts — usually made in China — have been making their way into Defense Department maintenance depots for years. However, a brand new report by the SASC details how fake parts are making their way into some of the military’s newest and most advanced weapons systems. How many fake parts in DoD supply chains were discovered by the committee’s investigation? 84,000 from just one Chinese supplier.
现在，我们都知道假零件——通常来自中国——已经在国防部维修站使用了多年了。然而，参议院军事委员会的最新报告详细说明了这些假零件是怎么进入我军一些最新和最先进的武器系统的。委员会在国防部的供应链中发现了多少假零件?来自中国供应商的就有84000个。
Here’s a key excerpt from a SASC summary of the report:
下面是参议院军事委员会报告的摘要：
The Committee’s report includes detailed descriptions of how counterfeits are flooding the supply chain, risking the performance and reliability of critical defense systems. In just one example described in the report, the U.S. Air Force says that a single electronic parts supplier, Hong Dark Electronic Trade of Shenzhen, China, supplied approximately 84,000 suspect counterfeit electronic parts into the DOD supply chain.
参议院军事委员会的报告详细地描述了假冒伪劣零件在供应链中是何等泛滥，是如何威胁关键防御系统的表现和可靠性的。就拿报告的其中一个例子来说，美国空军表示，仅仅是单纯一个电子元件供应商，中国深圳宏兴达科技有限公司，就为美国国防部的供应链提供了84000个可能是假冒伪劣产品的零件。
Parts from Hong Dark made it into Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance Systems (TCAS) intended for the C-5AMP, C-12, and the Global Hawk. In addition, parts from Hong Dark made it into assemblies intended for the P-3, the Special Operations Force A/MH-6M, and other military equipment, like the Excalibur (an extended range artillery projectile), the Navy Integrated Submarine Imaging System, and the Army Stryker Mobile Gun.
宏兴达供应的零件被应用到了C-5、C-12运输机以及全球鹰侦察机的交通警报和避撞系统上。此外，宏兴达供应的零件还被制成了P-3反潜巡逻机、特种部队A/MH-6M直升机和其它一些军事装备例如“神剑”榴弹(长距离火炮炮弹)、海军集成潜艇成像系统和斯瑞克机动火炮系统的组件。
The report goes on to state that China has shown little interest in doing anything to stop the flow of fake parts to the U.S. Even worse, “the Department of Defense lacks knowledge of the scope and impact of counterfeit parts on critical defense systems,” states the report.
该报告继续声称中国对打击流向美国的假冒伪劣零件毫无兴趣。更糟糕的是，“国防部前往中国调查关键防御系统上假冒伪零件的人员被中国拒签，”报告说。
In addition to the billions of dollars worth of economic damage the Chinese counterfeiting industry does to legit businesses, fake parts in high-end weapons systems pose a massive safety threat for obvious reasons. Oh, and don’t forget that counterfeit microchips put into a U.S. weapon could easily serve as a conduit for Chinese cyber attacks.
此外，中国的假冒伪劣行业对合法经营造成了相当于数十亿美元的经济损失。高端武器系统上的假零件造成了严重的安全威胁。对，不要忘了美国武器上有假冒伪劣的微芯片，因此，中国可以能过网络攻击轻松控制这些武器为自己服务。
Click through the jump to read the report summary.
要想阅读此报告的摘要，请点此链接。
SASC Counterfeit Electronics Report 05–21-12
评论翻译 (按评分排序)：
Cody · 18 hours ago +28(+28是评分，每有一人点赞成就+1)
at what point do we, the USA, realize that we need to stop producing everything in China - ESPECIALLY PARTS FOR OUR WEAPON SYSTEMS!
its bad enough we let them get by putting spyware on Apple computers.
Come on guys open your eyes.. Their economy is booming, while we are falling into poverty more and more each day. what a joke.
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
要到什么时候，我们美国才能意识到我们需要停止在中国生产所有东西——尤其是我们武器系统的零件!
我们让中国人在苹果电脑中种间谍程序已经够坑爹了。
大伙，睁开你的双眼。中国的经济正在繁荣发展，而我们在日益变穷。太扯淡了!
Andy · 18 hours ago
The Gov. are clueless...
政府真愚蠢……
Andy · 17 hours ago+1
The Gov. are clueless...
政府真愚蠢……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Isn't free-market capitalism wonderful?
自由贸易不美妙吗?
Ryan · 18 hours ago +12
The simple solution is stop buying parts from Chinese suppliers. Implementing that is not a simple task though. This is not to say that all US manufacturers are perfect, but it should make the process simpler. We will have to be willing to pay more of course. But that is the age old debate, Price vs. Quality.
唯一的解决办法就是停止从中国的供应商进口零件。虽然执行起来并不容易。这并不是说美国的所有制造商都是完美的，但是这会使流程变得更简单。当然，我们将不得不自愿付更多的钱。但是，那是个老生常谈的议题了，“价格vs.质量”。
1 reply · active 6 hours ago
cs4 · 6 hours ago 0
Unfortunately, you did pay more but the suppliers want even more, so they charged you high prices and pay less to manufacturers.
不幸的是，你确实付了更多的钱，但供应商胃口更大，因此，他们会给你报一个很高的价格，却给制造商更少的钱。
blight_ 86p · 16 hours ago +10
Trying to imagine what WW2 would be like if America didn't have factories and instead used a foreign power to supply parts, with the parts suddenly getting cut off during wartime.
Sounds an awful lot like the fuel shortage that drove Japan into WW2 and the tungsten/POL shortages that stymied Germany.
想像一下，如果美国在二战中没有工厂，而是靠外国势力供应零件，并且在战争中突然中断零件的供应，情况会变成啥样?
听起来十分可怕，就和二战中的日本缺乏石油与德国缺乏钨和石油的后果一样。
Josh · 17 hours ago +10
This is something that really ****** me off and scares me. The entire concept of producing out military's weapons, some of the most sophisticated in the world, in a frenemy country or any foriegn country for that mayter is beyond idiotic. Sure, labor is cheaper bit at what cost to our security needs and military lives? We could create jobs y producing them here In the states... And we wouldnt have to wrry about our best aircraft being produced in china of all places. How stupid can our government and defense industry get? I pray someone fixes the whole way our weapons are made, and even if they fix all the faulty parts, your letting china produce it... I mean really? Am i the only one who sees this as completely stupid beyond belief?
M的，这真是吓到我了。通过一个腹黑国家或者任何其它外国生产军事武器的整个理念都是极其SB的。确实，劳动成本是低一点，但我们在安全上要付出多大代价，我们得付出多少个士兵的生命?在本国生产这些东西，我们可以创造更多的工作机会。而且我们也不再需要担心我们最好的飞机到处都是中国造的。我国的政府和军工企业是多么SB啊?我祈祷有人能够修好我们所有的武器，即使他们修好所有有故障的零件——你们让中国生产的零件……我是说真的吗?我是不是唯一一个认为这种做法SB到不行的人?
Andy · 18 hours ago +10
Blame the Goverment, all the Electronic parts are manufacture in China, Gov. never set guide line.
2 replies · active 3 hours ago
都怪政府，所有的电子零件都是中国造的，政府从来都不设个标准。
matt · 13 hours ago 0
I think thats part of the problem. Most of it has to do with laziness from the host companies and a total lack of oversight and parts accountability. Blame starts with them.
我认为那只是此问题的一部分。主要应归咎于本地的企业的懒惰、完全缺乏监管以及零件责任制。应该首先指责他们。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Blame govt because greedy corps want to maximise their profits? I thought profits are superior to patriotism, no? What's the matter? You don't like capitalism? What are you -- a socialist?
因为贪婪的企业想要最大化利润而怪政府?我认为赚钱比爱国重要，不是吗?怎么了?你不喜欢资本主义?你是什么主义者——是社会主义者?
StrumPanzer 92p · 15 hours ago +7
What we need to do is stop buying foreign parts and start producing a military electrics and parts here in the US where we can keep a close eye on them. Also any company caught trying to sell counterfeit parts should have large fines levied against them.
我们需要做的是停止购买外国零件，并且在我们可以密切监视到的美国生产军用零件和电子元件。同时，任何企业一旦被抓到试图出售假冒伪劣零件，我们必须从重处罚。
Uranium238 · 16 hours ago +7
Two Words: Sabotage and Espionage.
The people who authorized foreign production of these chips should be tried for treason on both terms state above. Who the hell knows what the Chicoms wrote on those chips. They could push a button and cause the entire software interface to shut down on our combat aircraft carrying these bad chips. Makes me almost wonder now what Chinese electronic hardware was installed to monitor the F-22's life support systems.
2 replies · active 3 hours ago
两个词：“阴谋破坏”和“间谍活动”。
任何授权外国生产这些芯片的人都应处以叛国罪。谁特么知道TG在那些芯片上写了些什么。他们按个按钮就可以关掉我们装有这些烂芯片的战斗机的整个软件界面。
这让我现在很好奇F-22的生存支持系统到底装了中国的什么电子元件。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Not going to happen. The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who over-promise and under-deliver.
楼上，政府不会那么做的。政府已经被那些夸海口却短斤缺两的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Not going to happen. The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who over-promise and under-deliver.
(译者：重复发帖)楼上，政府不会那么做的。政府已经被那些夸海口却短斤缺两的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。
vok · 16 hours ago +6
Unfortunately, the situation is beyond the point of reversibility already. You won’t able to find US vendors capable of fabricating basic electronic components. I’m talking about engineering expertise, manufacturing, QA, etc, the entire life cycle of product. They are all gone. You stop importation, the final assembly lines stay idle, regardless of cost of doing business. The other day I posted an article here and pointed out the madness of outsourcing. I was re-educated by some hot shot who claims the new era of US technical dominance by using Facebook and Yahoo as examples. Well, good luck with that.
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
不幸的是，情况已经发展到无法挽回的地步了。美国的供应商已连制造最基本的电子元件的能力都没有了了。我所说的(能力)是工程技术、制造、品质保证等等。这些东西都已经丢了。除开商业成本，一旦你停止进口，组装线就会赋闲。前些天，我曾在这里发过一个帖子，指出外包的疯狂性。一些高手以Facebook 和 Yahoo为例，宣称一个美国统治技术的新时代已经到来，我着实是受教了。好吧，祝之好运。
blight_ 86p · 16 hours ago
Software innovation is nice, but unless you want to run on someone else's hardware...
软件创新是很棒，但是，除非你想让你的软件在别人的硬件上运行，不然……
Kent Seering · 7 hours ago 0
Actually, that's not true. I work for a company that is a competitor for these contract parts, made right here in Phoenix. AND we are still going strong. They are a problem, but NOT EVERY PIECE is made overseas, nor are a danger to the future of our security. Now, if some of these other contractors would stop buying sub-standard, counterfeit parts...
楼上，事实并非如此。我在凤凰城的一家生产这些零件的公司工作。我们依然很强。有个问题就是，并非所有的零件都来自外国，而且也并非所有的零件都会威胁我国的安全。现在，如果其它一些合约商愿意停止购买假冒伪劣零件，那么……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
To paraphrase V.I. Lenin, the capitalists will sell the rope to the ones who will hang them.
列宁说过，资本家会向那些会绞死自己的人出售绳子。
Andy · 17 hours ago +6
you guys can thumb down my post all you want, but the fact are none of the ELECTRONIC parts are made here in the US......just name one part....CAPACITOR, IC, RESISTOR ETC.... are all made in China...AGAIN the gov. are clueless before it too late.....
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
你们可以给我帖子差评，但是，事实就是没有任何电子元件是在美国生产的……比如说电容、集成电路、电阻等等，全都是中国造的。再一次呼吁政府，别在犯SB了，在事情不可挽回之前……
John Moore · 14 hours ago +4
You are correct but they all originated here sad we lost that ability.
楼上说得对，但是这些零件最初都发源于我国，遗憾的是我们失去了制造的能力。
Kent S. · 7 hours ago 0
Actually, that's not true. I work for a company that is a competitor for these contract parts, made right here in Phoenix. AND we are still going strong. They are a problem, but NOT EVERY PIECE is made overseas, nor are a danger to the future of our security. Now, if some of these other contractors would stop buying sub-standard, counterfeit parts...
(译者：又是一重复发帖)楼上，事实并非如此。我在凤凰城的一家生产这些零件的公司工作。我们依然很强。有个问题就是，并非所有的零件都来自外国，而且也并非所有的零件都会威胁我国的安全。现在，如果其它一些合约商愿意停止购买假冒伪劣零件，那么……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago0
The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who make huge campaign 'contributions'. The govt isn't going to do much about it.
政府已经被那些为他们竞选作出巨大“贡献”的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。政府不会在这个问题上有多大作为的。
4FingerOfBouron · 17 hours ago +6
兔民有好多回复很有意思，最亮的是晓之精灵的回复：假货都是中国的，历史都是棒子的，正义都是MD的，AV都是鬼畜的。我觉着再加一句未来全靠三哥的就完善了！
And the sad things is we are probably not going to do anything about it!
而且，悲剧的是，我们可能根本不会对此问题进行任何处理。
Chris · 18 hours ago +5
Part of the problem lies in the procurement process itself... not just with the integrity of the suppliers.
部分问题在于采购流程本身……不只是因为供应商奸诈。
原帖地址：http://bbs.cntv.cn/thread-16537101-1-1.html
Fake Parts are Everywhere
到处都是假冒伪劣零件
原文地址：http://defensetech.org/2012/05/2 ... erywhere/#idc-cover
翻译：南田翡翠
正文翻译 ：
Well, after months of research, Senate Armed Services Committee investigators have discovered “a flood” counterfet parts in everything from critical navigation software for newly modernized C-5 Galaxy cargo planes to “assemblies” destined for RQ-4 Global Hawk spy planes, submarines and even Stryker Mobile Gun Systems.
好吧，经过数月的调查，美国参议院军事委员会的调查人员发现从最新升级的C-5“银河”运输机上的关键导航软件，到RQ-4全球鹰侦察机、潜艇甚至斯瑞克机动火炮系统的组装配件都充斥着大量假冒伪劣零件。
Now, we’ve known that fake parts — usually made in China — have been making their way into Defense Department maintenance depots for years. However, a brand new report by the SASC details how fake parts are making their way into some of the military’s newest and most advanced weapons systems. How many fake parts in DoD supply chains were discovered by the committee’s investigation? 84,000 from just one Chinese supplier.
现在，我们都知道假零件——通常来自中国——已经在国防部维修站使用了多年了。然而，参议院军事委员会的最新报告详细说明了这些假零件是怎么进入我军一些最新和最先进的武器系统的。委员会在国防部的供应链中发现了多少假零件?来自中国供应商的就有84000个。
Here’s a key excerpt from a SASC summary of the report:
下面是参议院军事委员会报告的摘要：
The Committee’s report includes detailed descriptions of how counterfeits are flooding the supply chain, risking the performance and reliability of critical defense systems. In just one example described in the report, the U.S. Air Force says that a single electronic parts supplier, Hong Dark Electronic Trade of Shenzhen, China, supplied approximately 84,000 suspect counterfeit electronic parts into the DOD supply chain.
参议院军事委员会的报告详细地描述了假冒伪劣零件在供应链中是何等泛滥，是如何威胁关键防御系统的表现和可靠性的。就拿报告的其中一个例子来说，美国空军表示，仅仅是单纯一个电子元件供应商，中国深圳宏兴达科技有限公司，就为美国国防部的供应链提供了84000个可能是假冒伪劣产品的零件。
Parts from Hong Dark made it into Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance Systems (TCAS) intended for the C-5AMP, C-12, and the Global Hawk. In addition, parts from Hong Dark made it into assemblies intended for the P-3, the Special Operations Force A/MH-6M, and other military equipment, like the Excalibur (an extended range artillery projectile), the Navy Integrated Submarine Imaging System, and the Army Stryker Mobile Gun.
宏兴达供应的零件被应用到了C-5、C-12运输机以及全球鹰侦察机的交通警报和避撞系统上。此外，宏兴达供应的零件还被制成了P-3反潜巡逻机、特种部队A/MH-6M直升机和其它一些军事装备例如“神剑”榴弹(长距离火炮炮弹)、海军集成潜艇成像系统和斯瑞克机动火炮系统的组件。
The report goes on to state that China has shown little interest in doing anything to stop the flow of fake parts to the U.S. Even worse, “the Department of Defense lacks knowledge of the scope and impact of counterfeit parts on critical defense systems,” states the report.
该报告继续声称中国对打击流向美国的假冒伪劣零件毫无兴趣。更糟糕的是，“国防部前往中国调查关键防御系统上假冒伪零件的人员被中国拒签，”报告说。
In addition to the billions of dollars worth of economic damage the Chinese counterfeiting industry does to legit businesses, fake parts in high-end weapons systems pose a massive safety threat for obvious reasons. Oh, and don’t forget that counterfeit microchips put into a U.S. weapon could easily serve as a conduit for Chinese cyber attacks.
此外，中国的假冒伪劣行业对合法经营造成了相当于数十亿美元的经济损失。高端武器系统上的假零件造成了严重的安全威胁。对，不要忘了美国武器上有假冒伪劣的微芯片，因此，中国可以能过网络攻击轻松控制这些武器为自己服务。
Click through the jump to read the report summary.
要想阅读此报告的摘要，请点此链接。
SASC Counterfeit Electronics Report 05–21-12
评论翻译 (按评分排序)：
Cody · 18 hours ago +28(+28是评分，每有一人点赞成就+1)
at what point do we, the USA, realize that we need to stop producing everything in China - ESPECIALLY PARTS FOR OUR WEAPON SYSTEMS!
its bad enough we let them get by putting spyware on Apple computers.
Come on guys open your eyes.. Their economy is booming, while we are falling into poverty more and more each day. what a joke.
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
要到什么时候，我们美国才能意识到我们需要停止在中国生产所有东西——尤其是我们武器系统的零件!
我们让中国人在苹果电脑中种间谍程序已经够坑爹了。
大伙，睁开你的双眼。中国的经济正在繁荣发展，而我们在日益变穷。太扯淡了!
Andy · 18 hours ago
The Gov. are clueless...
政府真愚蠢……
Andy · 17 hours ago+1
The Gov. are clueless...
政府真愚蠢……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Isn't free-market capitalism wonderful?
自由贸易不美妙吗?
Ryan · 18 hours ago +12
The simple solution is stop buying parts from Chinese suppliers. Implementing that is not a simple task though. This is not to say that all US manufacturers are perfect, but it should make the process simpler. We will have to be willing to pay more of course. But that is the age old debate, Price vs. Quality.
唯一的解决办法就是停止从中国的供应商进口零件。虽然执行起来并不容易。这并不是说美国的所有制造商都是完美的，但是这会使流程变得更简单。当然，我们将不得不自愿付更多的钱。但是，那是个老生常谈的议题了，“价格vs.质量”。
1 reply · active 6 hours ago
cs4 · 6 hours ago 0
Unfortunately, you did pay more but the suppliers want even more, so they charged you high prices and pay less to manufacturers.
不幸的是，你确实付了更多的钱，但供应商胃口更大，因此，他们会给你报一个很高的价格，却给制造商更少的钱。
blight_ 86p · 16 hours ago +10
Trying to imagine what WW2 would be like if America didn't have factories and instead used a foreign power to supply parts, with the parts suddenly getting cut off during wartime.
Sounds an awful lot like the fuel shortage that drove Japan into WW2 and the tungsten/POL shortages that stymied Germany.
想像一下，如果美国在二战中没有工厂，而是靠外国势力供应零件，并且在战争中突然中断零件的供应，情况会变成啥样?
听起来十分可怕，就和二战中的日本缺乏石油与德国缺乏钨和石油的后果一样。
Josh · 17 hours ago +10
This is something that really ****** me off and scares me. The entire concept of producing out military's weapons, some of the most sophisticated in the world, in a frenemy country or any foriegn country for that mayter is beyond idiotic. Sure, labor is cheaper bit at what cost to our security needs and military lives? We could create jobs y producing them here In the states... And we wouldnt have to wrry about our best aircraft being produced in china of all places. How stupid can our government and defense industry get? I pray someone fixes the whole way our weapons are made, and even if they fix all the faulty parts, your letting china produce it... I mean really? Am i the only one who sees this as completely stupid beyond belief?
M的，这真是吓到我了。通过一个腹黑国家或者任何其它外国生产军事武器的整个理念都是极其SB的。确实，劳动成本是低一点，但我们在安全上要付出多大代价，我们得付出多少个士兵的生命?在本国生产这些东西，我们可以创造更多的工作机会。而且我们也不再需要担心我们最好的飞机到处都是中国造的。我国的政府和军工企业是多么SB啊?我祈祷有人能够修好我们所有的武器，即使他们修好所有有故障的零件——你们让中国生产的零件……我是说真的吗?我是不是唯一一个认为这种做法SB到不行的人?
Andy · 18 hours ago +10
Blame the Goverment, all the Electronic parts are manufacture in China, Gov. never set guide line.
2 replies · active 3 hours ago
都怪政府，所有的电子零件都是中国造的，政府从来都不设个标准。
matt · 13 hours ago 0
I think thats part of the problem. Most of it has to do with laziness from the host companies and a total lack of oversight and parts accountability. Blame starts with them.
我认为那只是此问题的一部分。主要应归咎于本地的企业的懒惰、完全缺乏监管以及零件责任制。应该首先指责他们。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Blame govt because greedy corps want to maximise their profits? I thought profits are superior to patriotism, no? What's the matter? You don't like capitalism? What are you -- a socialist?
因为贪婪的企业想要最大化利润而怪政府?我认为赚钱比爱国重要，不是吗?怎么了?你不喜欢资本主义?你是什么主义者——是社会主义者?
StrumPanzer 92p · 15 hours ago +7
What we need to do is stop buying foreign parts and start producing a military electrics and parts here in the US where we can keep a close eye on them. Also any company caught trying to sell counterfeit parts should have large fines levied against them.
我们需要做的是停止购买外国零件，并且在我们可以密切监视到的美国生产军用零件和电子元件。同时，任何企业一旦被抓到试图出售假冒伪劣零件，我们必须从重处罚。
Uranium238 · 16 hours ago +7
Two Words: Sabotage and Espionage.
The people who authorized foreign production of these chips should be tried for treason on both terms state above. Who the hell knows what the Chicoms wrote on those chips. They could push a button and cause the entire software interface to shut down on our combat aircraft carrying these bad chips. Makes me almost wonder now what Chinese electronic hardware was installed to monitor the F-22's life support systems.
2 replies · active 3 hours ago
两个词：“阴谋破坏”和“间谍活动”。
任何授权外国生产这些芯片的人都应处以叛国罪。谁特么知道TG在那些芯片上写了些什么。他们按个按钮就可以关掉我们装有这些烂芯片的战斗机的整个软件界面。
这让我现在很好奇F-22的生存支持系统到底装了中国的什么电子元件。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Not going to happen. The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who over-promise and under-deliver.
楼上，政府不会那么做的。政府已经被那些夸海口却短斤缺两的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
Not going to happen. The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who over-promise and under-deliver.
(译者：重复发帖)楼上，政府不会那么做的。政府已经被那些夸海口却短斤缺两的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。
vok · 16 hours ago +6
Unfortunately, the situation is beyond the point of reversibility already. You won’t able to find US vendors capable of fabricating basic electronic components. I’m talking about engineering expertise, manufacturing, QA, etc, the entire life cycle of product. They are all gone. You stop importation, the final assembly lines stay idle, regardless of cost of doing business. The other day I posted an article here and pointed out the madness of outsourcing. I was re-educated by some hot shot who claims the new era of US technical dominance by using Facebook and Yahoo as examples. Well, good luck with that.
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
不幸的是，情况已经发展到无法挽回的地步了。美国的供应商已连制造最基本的电子元件的能力都没有了了。我所说的(能力)是工程技术、制造、品质保证等等。这些东西都已经丢了。除开商业成本，一旦你停止进口，组装线就会赋闲。前些天，我曾在这里发过一个帖子，指出外包的疯狂性。一些高手以Facebook 和 Yahoo为例，宣称一个美国统治技术的新时代已经到来，我着实是受教了。好吧，祝之好运。
blight_ 86p · 16 hours ago
Software innovation is nice, but unless you want to run on someone else's hardware...
软件创新是很棒，但是，除非你想让你的软件在别人的硬件上运行，不然……
Kent Seering · 7 hours ago 0
Actually, that's not true. I work for a company that is a competitor for these contract parts, made right here in Phoenix. AND we are still going strong. They are a problem, but NOT EVERY PIECE is made overseas, nor are a danger to the future of our security. Now, if some of these other contractors would stop buying sub-standard, counterfeit parts...
楼上，事实并非如此。我在凤凰城的一家生产这些零件的公司工作。我们依然很强。有个问题就是，并非所有的零件都来自外国，而且也并非所有的零件都会威胁我国的安全。现在，如果其它一些合约商愿意停止购买假冒伪劣零件，那么……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago 0
To paraphrase V.I. Lenin, the capitalists will sell the rope to the ones who will hang them.
列宁说过，资本家会向那些会绞死自己的人出售绳子。
Andy · 17 hours ago +6
you guys can thumb down my post all you want, but the fact are none of the ELECTRONIC parts are made here in the US......just name one part....CAPACITOR, IC, RESISTOR ETC.... are all made in China...AGAIN the gov. are clueless before it too late.....
3 replies · active 3 hours ago
你们可以给我帖子差评，但是，事实就是没有任何电子元件是在美国生产的……比如说电容、集成电路、电阻等等，全都是中国造的。再一次呼吁政府，别在犯SB了，在事情不可挽回之前……
John Moore · 14 hours ago +4
You are correct but they all originated here sad we lost that ability.
楼上说得对，但是这些零件最初都发源于我国，遗憾的是我们失去了制造的能力。
Kent S. · 7 hours ago 0
Actually, that's not true. I work for a company that is a competitor for these contract parts, made right here in Phoenix. AND we are still going strong. They are a problem, but NOT EVERY PIECE is made overseas, nor are a danger to the future of our security. Now, if some of these other contractors would stop buying sub-standard, counterfeit parts...
(译者：又是一重复发帖)楼上，事实并非如此。我在凤凰城的一家生产这些零件的公司工作。我们依然很强。有个问题就是，并非所有的零件都来自外国，而且也并非所有的零件都会威胁我国的安全。现在，如果其它一些合约商愿意停止购买假冒伪劣零件，那么……
Joeblow · 3 hours ago0
The govt is bought and paid for by these same sleazy defense contractors who make huge campaign 'contributions'. The govt isn't going to do much about it.
政府已经被那些为他们竞选作出巨大“贡献”的肮脏国防承包商贿赂和收买了。政府不会在这个问题上有多大作为的。
4FingerOfBouron · 17 hours ago +6
兔民有好多回复很有意思，最亮的是晓之精灵的回复：假货都是中国的，历史都是棒子的，正义都是MD的，AV都是鬼畜的。我觉着再加一句未来全靠三哥的就完善了！
And the sad things is we are probably not going to do anything about it!
而且，悲剧的是，我们可能根本不会对此问题进行任何处理。
Chris · 18 hours ago +5
Part of the problem lies in the procurement process itself... not just with the integrity of the suppliers.
部分问题在于采购流程本身……不只是因为供应商奸诈。
原帖地址：http://bbs.cntv.cn/thread-16537101-1-1.html
没人逼着你采购啊
深圳宏兴达科技有限公司 果然是华强北的。
自己把关不严怪别人。
神经病，应该先去找负责购买的人调查吧
发改委、华强北、三炮嘴——共同构成了TG新时期的战略威慑力量
以前都担心进口人家CPU威胁我们国家安全，现在，呵呵…
国内兔民有一回复大亮：假货都是兔子的，历史都是棒子的；正义都是MD的，AV都是鬼畜的。如果再加一句：未来全靠三哥的就完善一点了。
PowerBus 发表于 2012-5-24 14:41 
发改委、华强北、三炮嘴——共同构成了TG新时期的战略威慑力量
南翔技校被你吃掉了.......
发改委、华强北、三炮嘴——共同构成了TG新时期的战略威慑力量
南翔技校被你吃掉了.......
国防部前往中国调查关键防御系统上假冒伪零件的人员被中国拒签
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只能说声...哈哈哈
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只能说声...哈哈哈
奇怪了 发表于 2012-5-24 14:44
南翔技校被你吃掉了.......
嘘~~那是我们的秘密武器。属于民用编制，不能乱说。
另，人家明明叫“蓝翔”嘛！
南翔技校被你吃掉了.......
嘘~~那是我们的秘密武器。属于民用编制，不能乱说。
另，人家明明叫“蓝翔”嘛！
一分钱一分货，谁叫老美没钱啊？
以后你可以把好的零件装老美自己用的武器上，差的装到出口日本的武器上就好了。
以后你可以把好的零件装老美自己用的武器上，差的装到出口日本的武器上就好了。
没人逼你买，自己找的，怪谁，山姆的逻辑真奇葩
我们国内一个小企业采购环节还有质量控制，美国国防部下属企业采购没有质量控制、上淘宝随便买不成？
还是深圳这家企业拿抢逼着美国人非买不可？
美国这些政客，越来越雷人了！
还是深圳这家企业拿抢逼着美国人非买不可？
美国这些政客，越来越雷人了！
MD最近宣传方向是这个？想干嘛？用爱国主义加上类似爱国者法案的经济纳粹条款来威胁投资商制造商把工厂开在美国本土？雇佣本土员工？
问问逐利的资本家干不干吧，难道MD又要死大统领了？
问问逐利的资本家干不干吧，难道MD又要死大统领了？
这么机密的事都被你知道了其实就是贸易保护和知识产权保护的一个炒作借口……，别要看那些匪夷所思的表面的东西。
我倒！
美国军火商原来是上这个网站采购假货的啊！
http://www.hqew.com/
尼玛本来不就指望坑到你，是你自己死活要往里跳嘛！
谢谢白头鹰免费给我朝“深圳宏兴达科技有限公司”做广告，老板要发了！
美国军火商原来是上这个网站采购假货的啊！
http://www.hqew.com/
尼玛本来不就指望坑到你，是你自己死活要往里跳嘛！
谢谢白头鹰免费给我朝“深圳宏兴达科技有限公司”做广告，老板要发了！
解决您电子元器件领域的一切需求。
http://www.gdrc.com/company/2075768.html
http://www.gdrc.com/company/2075768.html
美国人正在菲律宾化，乱七八糟，没有逻辑。
某些一脸忧国忧民，痛斥兔子无能的水军们，
有没有从这些MD网民身上看到自己？
有没有从这些MD网民身上看到自己？
华强北威武
兔子太V5了
菲丝 发表于 2012-5-24 14:43
国内兔民有一回复大亮：假货都是兔子的，历史都是棒子的；正义都是MD的，AV都是鬼畜的。如果再加一句：未来 ...
太亮了。唉，牛人一个啊。
国内兔民有一回复大亮：假货都是兔子的，历史都是棒子的；正义都是MD的，AV都是鬼畜的。如果再加一句：未来 ...
太亮了。唉，牛人一个啊。
一件极其荒谬可笑的事情却可以真真实实地看出工业制造的巨大威力。
这个公司要火！
该报告继续声称中国对打击流向美国的假冒伪劣零件毫无兴趣。更糟糕的是，“国防部前往中国调查关键防御系统上假冒伪零件的人员被中国拒签，”报告说。
为军费的提高找借口，兔子又中枪了
禁止采购？好啊，那些FF们从此可以不用上网了，为啥？政府要涨军费，不涨到万多亿刀咋够？这多涨的钱哪来？当然是从那些FF的口袋里来了，一句，涨税！当真的要从那些FF身上剃羊毛时，看他们还会不会鬼叫鬼叫。
美国人有点二,你自己贪便宜,怪得了谁,你可以不进口中国的相关零件呀,全部用你们美国自己产品不就行吗?
南翔技校被你吃掉了.......
南翔是小笼了啦～
话说我又想吃蟹粉小笼了 (>^ω^<)
南翔是小笼了啦～
话说我又想吃蟹粉小笼了 (>^ω^<)
广告都打到五角大楼了啊
国内兔民有一回复大亮：假货都是兔子的，历史都是棒子的；正义都是MD的，AV都是鬼畜的。如果再加一句：未来 ...
一切都在国军掌握之中。
一切都在国军掌握之中。
PowerBus 发表于 2012-5-24 14:41
发改委、华强北、三炮嘴——共同构成了TG新时期的战略威慑力量
山东东蓝翔高级技工学校 这个不算
发改委、华强北、三炮嘴——共同构成了TG新时期的战略威慑力量
山东东蓝翔高级技工学校 这个不算
这些sb们犯了原则性错误，假冒伪劣产品是它们说了算吗？(食品除外,唉—)
To paraphrase V.I. Lenin, the capitalists will sell the rope to the ones who will hang them.
列宁说过，资本家会向那些会绞死自己的人出售绳子。
列宁说过，资本家会向那些会绞死自己的人出售绳子。
宏兴达，这么巧…
电子兔威武
既蓝翔技校、华强北、FGW后，兔子有一大杀器暴露了哇！！
jian8800 发表于 2012-5-24 15:50
既蓝翔技校、华强北、FGW后，兔子有一大杀器暴露了哇！！
宏兴达 属 华强北 麾下的。
你别搞乱了编制。
既蓝翔技校、华强北、FGW后，兔子有一大杀器暴露了哇！！
宏兴达 属 华强北 麾下的。
你别搞乱了编制。