超级军网ZT航空港，礼炮厂的99M2靠谱了。。。内有链接。
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今年完成部分试验测试工作， 2013年可以开始批量生产交付。
苏霍伊想用99M2来升级27SM和苏-34
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SUKHOI IS INTERESTED IN AL-31FM2
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FSUE "RPC Gas Turbine" Salute "held scientific and technical advice on the results of development work on the modernization of the AL-31F engine the second stage (M2 AL-31F)." OKB "Dry" is interested in this product for further modernization of Su- 27SM and Su-34, standing in the Russian Air Force.
Scientific and Technical Council, which was attended by all stakeholders - representatives of the "bureau" Sukhoi "," United Aircraft Corporation "and" United Engine Building Corporation ", was held for the first time in five years. A report on progress achieved in the modernization of the engine AL-31FM2 the second stage was made by the head of the leading designer Sergei Rodyukov.
All work associated with the second stage of modernization of the engine has been carried out in accordance with prescribed schedules. To date, completed a special engine bench test in CIAM, which confirmed the possibility of achieving static thrust 14,500 kg, and provided the respective characteristics in flight. Compared with the AL-31FM first phase, a 9% increase of thrust was shown on the flight modes.
"Modernization of the AL-31F engine is no change of its dimensions and is aimed at preserving the possibility of change the entire fleet of Su-27 without further modification airframe and engine nacelles," - said the acting chief designer "Salute" Gennady stack.
By the end of 2012, will complete the program of special bench and endurance tests, as well as initiate a program of special flight test prior to the public by special tests.
According to Director General of FSUE "RPC Gas Turbine" Salute "Vladislav Masalova, serial deliveries of the upgraded engine can be started already in 2013." AL-31F M2 can be considered as an inexpensive option for replace the engines of the fleet such as the Su-27 Su-30 and The Su-34 operated in the Defense Ministry, as well as to supply foreign customers "- said General Director of" Salute. "
To meet the requirements of technical specifications , Su-27SM and Su-34 are necessary to use an engine with higher thrust and the best cost effectiveness. The use of AL-31F engine M2 on these aircraft will provide better performance. Its installation does not require any modifications of aircraft and can be performed directly in the operation.
http://www.9ifly.cn/thread-8633-1-1.html
PS：歼11（包括空一师那20架11B）SU30，歼10A在发动机到寿或者中期升级时换上这款发动机的话，性能能提高不少啊！！
今年完成部分试验测试工作， 2013年可以开始批量生产交付。
苏霍伊想用99M2来升级27SM和苏-34
-
SUKHOI IS INTERESTED IN AL-31FM2
-
FSUE "RPC Gas Turbine" Salute "held scientific and technical advice on the results of development work on the modernization of the AL-31F engine the second stage (M2 AL-31F)." OKB "Dry" is interested in this product for further modernization of Su- 27SM and Su-34, standing in the Russian Air Force.
Scientific and Technical Council, which was attended by all stakeholders - representatives of the "bureau" Sukhoi "," United Aircraft Corporation "and" United Engine Building Corporation ", was held for the first time in five years. A report on progress achieved in the modernization of the engine AL-31FM2 the second stage was made by the head of the leading designer Sergei Rodyukov.
All work associated with the second stage of modernization of the engine has been carried out in accordance with prescribed schedules. To date, completed a special engine bench test in CIAM, which confirmed the possibility of achieving static thrust 14,500 kg, and provided the respective characteristics in flight. Compared with the AL-31FM first phase, a 9% increase of thrust was shown on the flight modes.
"Modernization of the AL-31F engine is no change of its dimensions and is aimed at preserving the possibility of change the entire fleet of Su-27 without further modification airframe and engine nacelles," - said the acting chief designer "Salute" Gennady stack.
By the end of 2012, will complete the program of special bench and endurance tests, as well as initiate a program of special flight test prior to the public by special tests.
According to Director General of FSUE "RPC Gas Turbine" Salute "Vladislav Masalova, serial deliveries of the upgraded engine can be started already in 2013." AL-31F M2 can be considered as an inexpensive option for replace the engines of the fleet such as the Su-27 Su-30 and The Su-34 operated in the Defense Ministry, as well as to supply foreign customers "- said General Director of" Salute. "
To meet the requirements of technical specifications , Su-27SM and Su-34 are necessary to use an engine with higher thrust and the best cost effectiveness. The use of AL-31F engine M2 on these aircraft will provide better performance. Its installation does not require any modifications of aircraft and can be performed directly in the operation.
http://www.9ifly.cn/thread-8633-1-1.html
PS：歼11（包括空一师那20架11B）SU30，歼10A在发动机到寿或者中期升级时换上这款发动机的话，性能能提高不少啊！！
苏霍伊想用99M2来升级27SM和苏-34
-
SUKHOI IS INTERESTED IN AL-31FM2
-
FSUE "RPC Gas Turbine" Salute "held scientific and technical advice on the results of development work on the modernization of the AL-31F engine the second stage (M2 AL-31F)." OKB "Dry" is interested in this product for further modernization of Su- 27SM and Su-34, standing in the Russian Air Force.
Scientific and Technical Council, which was attended by all stakeholders - representatives of the "bureau" Sukhoi "," United Aircraft Corporation "and" United Engine Building Corporation ", was held for the first time in five years. A report on progress achieved in the modernization of the engine AL-31FM2 the second stage was made by the head of the leading designer Sergei Rodyukov.
All work associated with the second stage of modernization of the engine has been carried out in accordance with prescribed schedules. To date, completed a special engine bench test in CIAM, which confirmed the possibility of achieving static thrust 14,500 kg, and provided the respective characteristics in flight. Compared with the AL-31FM first phase, a 9% increase of thrust was shown on the flight modes.
"Modernization of the AL-31F engine is no change of its dimensions and is aimed at preserving the possibility of change the entire fleet of Su-27 without further modification airframe and engine nacelles," - said the acting chief designer "Salute" Gennady stack.
By the end of 2012, will complete the program of special bench and endurance tests, as well as initiate a program of special flight test prior to the public by special tests.
According to Director General of FSUE "RPC Gas Turbine" Salute "Vladislav Masalova, serial deliveries of the upgraded engine can be started already in 2013." AL-31F M2 can be considered as an inexpensive option for replace the engines of the fleet such as the Su-27 Su-30 and The Su-34 operated in the Defense Ministry, as well as to supply foreign customers "- said General Director of" Salute. "
To meet the requirements of technical specifications , Su-27SM and Su-34 are necessary to use an engine with higher thrust and the best cost effectiveness. The use of AL-31F engine M2 on these aircraft will provide better performance. Its installation does not require any modifications of aircraft and can be performed directly in the operation.
http://www.9ifly.cn/thread-8633-1-1.html
PS：歼11（包括空一师那20架11B）SU30，歼10A在发动机到寿或者中期升级时换上这款发动机的话，性能能提高不少啊！！
今年完成部分试验测试工作， 2013年可以开始批量生产交付。
苏霍伊想用99M2来升级27SM和苏-34
-
SUKHOI IS INTERESTED IN AL-31FM2
-
FSUE "RPC Gas Turbine" Salute "held scientific and technical advice on the results of development work on the modernization of the AL-31F engine the second stage (M2 AL-31F)." OKB "Dry" is interested in this product for further modernization of Su- 27SM and Su-34, standing in the Russian Air Force.
Scientific and Technical Council, which was attended by all stakeholders - representatives of the "bureau" Sukhoi "," United Aircraft Corporation "and" United Engine Building Corporation ", was held for the first time in five years. A report on progress achieved in the modernization of the engine AL-31FM2 the second stage was made by the head of the leading designer Sergei Rodyukov.
All work associated with the second stage of modernization of the engine has been carried out in accordance with prescribed schedules. To date, completed a special engine bench test in CIAM, which confirmed the possibility of achieving static thrust 14,500 kg, and provided the respective characteristics in flight. Compared with the AL-31FM first phase, a 9% increase of thrust was shown on the flight modes.
"Modernization of the AL-31F engine is no change of its dimensions and is aimed at preserving the possibility of change the entire fleet of Su-27 without further modification airframe and engine nacelles," - said the acting chief designer "Salute" Gennady stack.
By the end of 2012, will complete the program of special bench and endurance tests, as well as initiate a program of special flight test prior to the public by special tests.
According to Director General of FSUE "RPC Gas Turbine" Salute "Vladislav Masalova, serial deliveries of the upgraded engine can be started already in 2013." AL-31F M2 can be considered as an inexpensive option for replace the engines of the fleet such as the Su-27 Su-30 and The Su-34 operated in the Defense Ministry, as well as to supply foreign customers "- said General Director of" Salute. "
To meet the requirements of technical specifications , Su-27SM and Su-34 are necessary to use an engine with higher thrust and the best cost effectiveness. The use of AL-31F engine M2 on these aircraft will provide better performance. Its installation does not require any modifications of aircraft and can be performed directly in the operation.
http://www.9ifly.cn/thread-8633-1-1.html
PS：歼11（包括空一师那20架11B）SU30，歼10A在发动机到寿或者中期升级时换上这款发动机的话，性能能提高不少啊！！
可关键是要扶持国内的航发产业啊。
pcmark2004 发表于 2012-3-20 20:57 ![]()
可关键是要扶持国内的航发产业啊。
10B，11B用太行就是了啊。。。。老11装太行还能勉强塞进去，10A后机身不做拉皮的话会暴菊的。。。。。
可关键是要扶持国内的航发产业啊。
10B，11B用太行就是了啊。。。。老11装太行还能勉强塞进去，10A后机身不做拉皮的话会暴菊的。。。。。
原先安装AL31系列的战斗机 改装太行不划算 用此发中期升级不错 正好可以让等毛子先试用几年
luoyanwozhiaini 发表于 2012-3-20 21:01 ![]()
10B，11B用太行就是了啊。。。。老11装太行还能勉强塞进去，10A后机身不做拉皮的话会暴菊的。。。。。
10A就用31就可以了，毕竟等10A换发的时候，20都已经服役了吧。
10B，11B用太行就是了啊。。。。老11装太行还能勉强塞进去，10A后机身不做拉皮的话会暴菊的。。。。。
10A就用31就可以了，毕竟等10A换发的时候，20都已经服役了吧。
不考虑~~~~~~~
pcmark2004 发表于 2012-3-20 21:21
10A就用31就可以了，毕竟等10A换发的时候，20都已经服役了吧。
1500小时。。。。估计也就5到7年。。。。10年以前生产的11和10不少哦。。。。
pcmark2004 发表于 2012-3-20 21:21
10A就用31就可以了，毕竟等10A换发的时候，20都已经服役了吧。
1500小时。。。。估计也就5到7年。。。。10年以前生产的11和10不少哦。。。。
很可能是10A，11A，11B第一批和10B第一批的升级发动机
luoyanwozhiaini 发表于 2012-3-20 21:25 ![]()
1500小时。。。。估计也就5到7年。。。。10年以前生产的11和10不少哦。。。。
应该不会， 记得当年生产一架10 是按照买两台31的比例来买的。31发动机国内应该是有储备的。还是信不过毛子，怕战时断供。
1500小时。。。。估计也就5到7年。。。。10年以前生产的11和10不少哦。。。。
应该不会， 记得当年生产一架10 是按照买两台31的比例来买的。31发动机国内应该是有储备的。还是信不过毛子，怕战时断供。
不做小白鼠，等毛子先试用几年再说吧。
pcmark2004 发表于 2012-3-20 21:40 ![]()
应该不会， 记得当年生产一架10 是按照买两台31的比例来买的。31发动机国内应该是有储备的。还是信不过 ...
这玩意研制咱貌似也参了股。。。。。
应该不会， 记得当年生产一架10 是按照买两台31的比例来买的。31发动机国内应该是有储备的。还是信不过 ...
这玩意研制咱貌似也参了股。。。。。
luoyanwozhiaini 发表于 2012-3-20 21:43 ![]()
这玩意研制咱貌似也参了股。。。。。
参股就是为了搞技术，唉，中国人如今是谁也信不过了。
这玩意研制咱貌似也参了股。。。。。
参股就是为了搞技术，唉，中国人如今是谁也信不过了。
pcmark2004 发表于 2012-3-20 21:46
参股就是为了搞技术，唉，中国人如今是谁也信不过了。
。。。。没办法太行前几年太不靠谱了（不过这次11BS的事故也间接证明了太行基本靠谱了），要不咱再投点钱让礼炮整出一改装套件升级老3姨父，MD这么干过，不晓得毛子有这本事不{:soso_e113:}
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pcmark2004 发表于 2012-3-20 21:46
参股就是为了搞技术，唉，中国人如今是谁也信不过了。
。。。。没办法太行前几年太不靠谱了（不过这次11BS的事故也间接证明了太行基本靠谱了），要不咱再投点钱让礼炮整出一改装套件升级老3姨父，MD这么干过，不晓得毛子有这本事不{:soso_e113:}
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别指望毛子了，还是期待和他同级别的太行增推型吧，两年内能定型。。。
guoxing1987 发表于 2012-3-20 21:05 ![]()
原先安装AL31系列的战斗机 改装太行不划算 用此发中期升级不错 正好可以让等毛子先试用几年
正解！
原装31的用99M2升级，原装太行的用太行改升级。
原先安装AL31系列的战斗机 改装太行不划算 用此发中期升级不错 正好可以让等毛子先试用几年
正解！
原装31的用99M2升级，原装太行的用太行改升级。
。。。。没办法太行前几年太不靠谱了（不过这次11BS的事故也间接证明了太行基本靠谱了），要不咱再投点 ...
傻啊，巴不得毛子的发动机企业倒闭掉，怎么还给钱它呢？
傻啊，巴不得毛子的发动机企业倒闭掉，怎么还给钱它呢？
luoyanwozhiaini 发表于 2012-3-20 21:43 ![]()
这玩意研制咱貌似也参了股。。。。。
有确切的证实参股了吗？
这玩意研制咱貌似也参了股。。。。。
有确切的证实参股了吗？
维爱音乐 发表于 2012-3-20 22:09 ![]()
有确切的证实参股了吗？
貌似也是PU大说的，外国出资淫啊。。。。
有确切的证实参股了吗？
貌似也是PU大说的，外国出资淫啊。。。。
毛粉又要给中国下订单了
dkeing 发表于 2012-3-20 22:47
毛粉又要给中国下订单了
毛不毛粉不要紧，反正空海军大把的三代机都是用的毛子的发动机，而且这些飞机退役之前还要换不少毛子的发动机。。。差别也就是型号的新旧。。。。。
dkeing 发表于 2012-3-20 22:47
毛粉又要给中国下订单了
毛不毛粉不要紧，反正空海军大把的三代机都是用的毛子的发动机，而且这些飞机退役之前还要换不少毛子的发动机。。。差别也就是型号的新旧。。。。。
我一直在想“luoyan”到底是罗燕呢，还是罗妍还是罗艳？
开个玩笑，楼主不要生气。我其实也认为用99M2来升级老款的J11,是可行的！
开个玩笑，楼主不要生气。我其实也认为用99M2来升级老款的J11,是可行的！
M2是给j 20用的。
等毛子先试用几年再说吧
我们现在的太行性能到底怎么样了？不会连三姨夫也不如吧，看见11B装上太行了，但是好像没人科普11B的太行到底怎么样
我也听说我们出钱参与99M2的，出了这个钱总有点收获吧。有没有大神科普下有什么好处啊
我也听说我们出钱参与99M2的，出了这个钱总有点收获吧。有没有大神科普下有什么好处啊
woshihwn 发表于 2012-3-21 01:16 ![]()
我们现在的太行性能到底怎么样了？不会连三姨夫也不如吧，看见11B装上太行了，但是好像没人科普11B的太行到 ...
后面批次的太行似乎换了单晶叶片，有所增推。但是装FADEC的太行服役之前，就不敢说和毛子99M1、美帝F100-PW220站在了一个层级上，三代大推也谈不上毕业。
我们现在的太行性能到底怎么样了？不会连三姨夫也不如吧，看见11B装上太行了，但是好像没人科普11B的太行到 ...
后面批次的太行似乎换了单晶叶片，有所增推。但是装FADEC的太行服役之前，就不敢说和毛子99M1、美帝F100-PW220站在了一个层级上，三代大推也谈不上毕业。
我们现在的太行性能到底怎么样了？不会连三姨夫也不如吧，看见11B装上太行了，但是好像没人科普11B的太行到 ...
11bs前段时间空中故障差点完了最后成功迫降，用的发动机就是太行，要不行能回来？早说过了三代太行没问题了只是离大批量还要一段时间，现在一年太行量估计够五六十台歼11系列用吧，反正目前太行被北方那嘎的全包了………熟练技工…增加产线………要时间的……我虽然在外资航空企业但缺少熟练技工也影响速度…新人要培养的……反正大批量早晚还是要来的………
11bs前段时间空中故障差点完了最后成功迫降，用的发动机就是太行，要不行能回来？早说过了三代太行没问题了只是离大批量还要一段时间，现在一年太行量估计够五六十台歼11系列用吧，反正目前太行被北方那嘎的全包了………熟练技工…增加产线………要时间的……我虽然在外资航空企业但缺少熟练技工也影响速度…新人要培养的……反正大批量早晚还是要来的………
TG为99M2研发出资也可以理解，发动机这块缺得太多，兔子还有很多东西要补上~
我一直在想“luoyan”到底是罗燕呢，还是罗妍还是罗艳？
开个玩笑，楼主不要生气。我其实也认为用99M2来升 ...
罗燕一个双流女娃。。。
开个玩笑，楼主不要生气。我其实也认为用99M2来升 ...
罗燕一个双流女娃。。。
傻啊，巴不得毛子的发动机企业倒闭掉，怎么还给钱它呢？
倒闭。。。大锅。。。咱大把的AL31，D30都是毛子的。。。。
倒闭。。。大锅。。。咱大把的AL31，D30都是毛子的。。。。
后面批次的太行似乎换了单晶叶片，有所增推。但是装FADEC的太行服役之前，就不敢说和毛子99M1、美帝F100- ...
去年进口的一批AL31FN。。貌似就是M1的单发版。。。但是推力怎么少了那么多。。。。。只比老款FN多了250公斤。。
去年进口的一批AL31FN。。貌似就是M1的单发版。。。但是推力怎么少了那么多。。。。。只比老款FN多了250公斤。。
pcmark2004 发表于 2012-3-20 21:21 ![]()
10A就用31就可以了，毕竟等10A换发的时候，20都已经服役了吧。
J-20没那么快；
但99M2的尺寸不知有无变化，成熟度如何？
最后一个因素是J-10A的换发，性能收益如何？划算不？
个人认为空军对这些飞机的换发要求并不强烈，除非大幅改善的是可靠性。
10A就用31就可以了，毕竟等10A换发的时候，20都已经服役了吧。
J-20没那么快；
但99M2的尺寸不知有无变化，成熟度如何？
最后一个因素是J-10A的换发，性能收益如何？划算不？
个人认为空军对这些飞机的换发要求并不强烈，除非大幅改善的是可靠性。
J-20没那么快；
但99M2的尺寸不知有无变化，成熟度如何？
最后一个因素是J-10A的换发，性能收益如何？划 ...
你可以网上搜索下，很早的一篇文章是讲毛子SU27升级成SM的计划的，里面提到了99M1，M2，M3的改进措施，04年的兵器知识也登过。。。我爪机不方便，要不然就直接搜给你了，请谅解哈。。。
但99M2的尺寸不知有无变化，成熟度如何？
最后一个因素是J-10A的换发，性能收益如何？划 ...
你可以网上搜索下，很早的一篇文章是讲毛子SU27升级成SM的计划的，里面提到了99M1，M2，M3的改进措施，04年的兵器知识也登过。。。我爪机不方便，要不然就直接搜给你了，请谅解哈。。。
dkeing 发表于 2012-3-20 22:47 ![]()
毛粉又要给中国下订单了
大部分三代机还在用着毛子货，难道要断粮？
毛粉又要给中国下订单了
大部分三代机还在用着毛子货，难道要断粮？
luoyanwozhiaini 发表于 2012-3-20 21:25 ![]()
1500小时。。。。估计也就5到7年。。。。10年以前生产的11和10不少哦。。。。
1500小时后是不是换些零部件可以继续用？
1500小时。。。。估计也就5到7年。。。。10年以前生产的11和10不少哦。。。。
1500小时后是不是换些零部件可以继续用？
1500小时后是不是换些零部件可以继续用？
到寿了，扔了。。。。
到寿了，扔了。。。。
luoyanwozhiaini 发表于 2012-3-21 07:20 ![]()
到寿了，扔了。。。。
这么说来苏两妻全寿命期间要用掉至少6台发动机？这还没计算之前的31质量还更差。
可是从这些年进口的发动机数量来看，都还远远没有做到与飞机2：1的比例。
到寿了，扔了。。。。
这么说来苏两妻全寿命期间要用掉至少6台发动机？这还没计算之前的31质量还更差。
可是从这些年进口的发动机数量来看，都还远远没有做到与飞机2：1的比例。
Heineken 发表于 2012-3-21 07:30 ![]()
这么说来苏两妻全寿命期间要用掉至少6台发动机？这还没计算之前的31质量还更差。
可是从这些年进口的发 ...
苏两妻有这么高的寿命？
这么说来苏两妻全寿命期间要用掉至少6台发动机？这还没计算之前的31质量还更差。
可是从这些年进口的发 ...
苏两妻有这么高的寿命？
luoyanwozhiaini 发表于 2012-3-20 21:01 ![]()
10B，11B用太行就是了啊。。。。老11装太行还能勉强塞进去，10A后机身不做拉皮的话会暴菊的。。。。。
这个叫扩肛
10B，11B用太行就是了啊。。。。老11装太行还能勉强塞进去，10A后机身不做拉皮的话会暴菊的。。。。。
这个叫扩肛
Heineken 发表于 2012-3-21 07:30 ![]()
这么说来苏两妻全寿命期间要用掉至少6台发动机？这还没计算之前的31质量还更差。
可是从这些年进口的发 ...
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实践证明大部分还达不到
这么说来苏两妻全寿命期间要用掉至少6台发动机？这还没计算之前的31质量还更差。
可是从这些年进口的发 ...
3000小时设计寿命
实践证明大部分还达不到
Heineken 发表于 2012-3-21 07:30 ![]()
这么说来苏两妻全寿命期间要用掉至少6台发动机？这还没计算之前的31质量还更差。
可是从这些年进口的发 ...
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这么说来苏两妻全寿命期间要用掉至少6台发动机？这还没计算之前的31质量还更差。
可是从这些年进口的发 ...
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