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回复:“俄专家说火星探测器坠毁原因是中国的假冒零件”——来源
pusl发表于 2012-1-28 19:44:05
俄专家说火星探测器坠毁原因是中国的假冒零件

俄罗斯《新闻社》26日引述俄太空专家消息报道说,搭载了中国卫星的俄罗斯火星-土壤探测器坠毁应该是使用了中国假冒太空零件造成的。

snowhole发表于 2012-1-28 20:05:34
请楼主给出可靠来源。


01.27.2012 / 00:05    The cause of the accident "Phobos-soil" could be sub-standard parts
  
When you create a Russian interplanetary station "Phobos-Grunt" could be used substandard counterfeit parts, it is possible that they could cause a crash station, told RIA Novosti source in the space industry in Russia.
      
"The use of the interplanetary station" Phobos-Grunt "counterfeit parts could be quite real. Remember the recent scandal in the U.S. when the U.S. military admitted that a part of the system of military equipment used by microelectronics, second-hand "- a spokesman said.
      
He said that in China a whole industry of counterfeiting of expensive parts : buy old equipment is disassembled, washed with a marking applied to the data of the new specification, and then sold.
      
"If the Americans, and, at the Pentagon, it was revealed this, I fully admit that this is for us too, can be delivered. It system and the resale of these chips are likely to put a very professional, customer details come through dozens of companies, and the original figure is simply impossible, "- said the official.
      
He recalled that in space technology should be used microelectronic components to specification "space" that are related very stringent tests and checks on the "survival" in space. The components to specification "military" and "space" under the control of the U.S. and in Russia, such equipment is not available.
      
"Therefore, our businesses are forced to buy this micro-electronics in Southeast Asia. We are forced to buy there, because they themselves are not so long ago produce. This is quite realistic counterfeit chip can bring the space station out of order. It may work fine on Earth, but can not stand working in space. But he was a fake label and specification can fool the experts, "- says a source.
      
He believes that the true cause of the accident "Phobos-Grunt" it is not. "Telemetry from the station was not, technology is not a serial. So all we can say will be the only hypothesis", - concluded the agency.
      
However, a source at one of the space industry told RIA Novosti that the system of selection of parts and component is designed so that ingress of substandard equipment is highly unlikely.
      
"We have a completely different delivery arranged. (Components) to be ordered, held certification, certification, then goes to the input control, involvement in the assembly and after assembly is the acceptance test, checking for compliance with specifications. The system that exists, protects from the delivery of substandard parts, "- said the source.
      
According to him, engaged in supplying the organization with whom the company interacts many years. "Random organizations do not exist. Their terms are very narrow. There are quite certain organizations that are entrusted to carry out the purchase of these items, they have a license to this work, the license issued by Roskosmos. We check this" - he said.
      
In addition, an Unconditioned detail by itself create the conditions of the spacecraft, should not lead to their failure.
      
"Unconditioned is but one part is not always, as a rule, there is duplication. There is a principle: the failure of one element should not lead to failure of the entire system, there is a technical requirement, it is written in each TK for each part. This presupposes a certain circuitry in the design of electronic modules, "- said the source. - KI

来源:
俄罗斯《宇航新闻》
h t t p : / / w w w .novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/news.shtml


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回复:“俄专家说火星探测器坠毁原因是中国的假冒零件”——来源
pusl发表于 2012-1-28 19:44:05
俄专家说火星探测器坠毁原因是中国的假冒零件

俄罗斯《新闻社》26日引述俄太空专家消息报道说,搭载了中国卫星的俄罗斯火星-土壤探测器坠毁应该是使用了中国假冒太空零件造成的。

snowhole发表于 2012-1-28 20:05:34
请楼主给出可靠来源。


01.27.2012 / 00:05    The cause of the accident "Phobos-soil" could be sub-standard parts
  
When you create a Russian interplanetary station "Phobos-Grunt" could be used substandard counterfeit parts, it is possible that they could cause a crash station, told RIA Novosti source in the space industry in Russia.
      
"The use of the interplanetary station" Phobos-Grunt "counterfeit parts could be quite real. Remember the recent scandal in the U.S. when the U.S. military admitted that a part of the system of military equipment used by microelectronics, second-hand "- a spokesman said.
      
He said that in China a whole industry of counterfeiting of expensive parts : buy old equipment is disassembled, washed with a marking applied to the data of the new specification, and then sold.
      
"If the Americans, and, at the Pentagon, it was revealed this, I fully admit that this is for us too, can be delivered. It system and the resale of these chips are likely to put a very professional, customer details come through dozens of companies, and the original figure is simply impossible, "- said the official.
      
He recalled that in space technology should be used microelectronic components to specification "space" that are related very stringent tests and checks on the "survival" in space. The components to specification "military" and "space" under the control of the U.S. and in Russia, such equipment is not available.
      
"Therefore, our businesses are forced to buy this micro-electronics in Southeast Asia. We are forced to buy there, because they themselves are not so long ago produce. This is quite realistic counterfeit chip can bring the space station out of order. It may work fine on Earth, but can not stand working in space. But he was a fake label and specification can fool the experts, "- says a source.
      
He believes that the true cause of the accident "Phobos-Grunt" it is not. "Telemetry from the station was not, technology is not a serial. So all we can say will be the only hypothesis", - concluded the agency.
      
However, a source at one of the space industry told RIA Novosti that the system of selection of parts and component is designed so that ingress of substandard equipment is highly unlikely.
      
"We have a completely different delivery arranged. (Components) to be ordered, held certification, certification, then goes to the input control, involvement in the assembly and after assembly is the acceptance test, checking for compliance with specifications. The system that exists, protects from the delivery of substandard parts, "- said the source.
      
According to him, engaged in supplying the organization with whom the company interacts many years. "Random organizations do not exist. Their terms are very narrow. There are quite certain organizations that are entrusted to carry out the purchase of these items, they have a license to this work, the license issued by Roskosmos. We check this" - he said.
      
In addition, an Unconditioned detail by itself create the conditions of the spacecraft, should not lead to their failure.
      
"Unconditioned is but one part is not always, as a rule, there is duplication. There is a principle: the failure of one element should not lead to failure of the entire system, there is a technical requirement, it is written in each TK for each part. This presupposes a certain circuitry in the design of electronic modules, "- said the source. - KI

来源:
俄罗斯《宇航新闻》
h t t p : / / w w w .novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/news.shtml


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将把地下军事设施挖到四千米超深,伊朗伊斯兰共和国一定能取得胜利!
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蛋疼的毛子-_-///
过两天实在无法埋怨了就应该投诉TMD的人类人口太多导致的P太多造成的了。
已经惨到要从中国进口零件了嘛


似乎是google翻译的,文章里提到,这名消息来源说的是“福布斯-土壤的失败可能是由于使用了质量未达标的零件,这在美国军方也有发生,而中国有一整个这样的产业专门生产销售‘二手/翻新’零件”。这更像是举例,而并不是说俄方购买了中国的零件。

似乎是google翻译的,文章里提到,这名消息来源说的是“福布斯-土壤的失败可能是由于使用了质量未达标的零件,这在美国军方也有发生,而中国有一整个这样的产业专门生产销售‘二手/翻新’零件”。这更像是举例,而并不是说俄方购买了中国的零件。
F...差点说出,俺系文明人。
兔子又中枪了
Therefore, our businesses are forced to buy this micro-electronics in Southeast Asia.

你该高亮的是这句话。兔子不是中这个专家的枪,而是中了翻译的枪。
这篇是英文吗?艹
这尼玛连幼儿园大班的文章写作水平都没有
毛子的零件质量次。。。又怪我们了。CAO
从阿三哪买的零件还是有阿三特色啊
先是美帝中枪,现在是兔子中枪,毛子尼玛还要脸不要脸。
这不是典型的“拉不出bullshit,怪地球没引力”么?
对呀,前些天不是说美国武器搞的鬼么,怎么就不从自己身上找问题呢?
莫名惊诧的人先看懂原文再说!


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看不懂,不过感觉不是什么官方说法,就是记者吸引人眼球的东西,群众们用不着上纲上线

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看不懂,不过感觉不是什么官方说法,就是记者吸引人眼球的东西,群众们用不着上纲上线
TG膝盖中了非常离谱的一箭!
其实买二手零件很正常啊,我们单位就经常买,没办法,很多老设备的维修只能买二手零件,一些二手的芯片要买很多,回来挑品相好的装上。
LZ发帖的时候能不能少带点尾巴啊...