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印度统计再现“低级错误”,商务部长称出口额多算了94亿美元2011-12-13 19:49中央社台北2011年12月10日电 印度商务部表示,由于在计算海外销售时出现“分类出错和误算”,因此11月止这8个月的出口数字多了90亿美元。

印度商务部部长库勒(Rahul Khullar)昨天向记者说:“不仅分类出错,还有重复计算及其他的错误,使出口数字膨胀约90亿美元。”库勒表示,现在4月到11月的海外销售为1927亿美元。

尽管欧债危机和美国经济复苏举步维艰,使全球消费者需求减少,印度月度出口自4月来仍平均成长约44%,让经济师开始质疑这份数据的准确度。

孟买Religare Capital Markets Ltd.经济师尚卡(Jay Shankar)表示,今天的修正解释了“卢比会走软的部分原因”。卢比今年表现在亚洲货币中吊车尾。

开发中国家研究与信息系统组织(Research and Information System for Developing Countries)主任达尔(Biswajit Dhar)表示:“全球经济表现并不好,所以很难理解印度出口数据怎么可以这么杰出。让我们也有理由相信,这个数据可能有问题。”

卢比兑美元汇价昨天在孟买挫贬0.6%,报52.04卢比比1美元,今年贬幅扩大至14.1%。今年市值缩水1/5的印度股市指标BSE India Sensitive Index(简称Sensex)挫跌1.7%。(译者:中央社陈昱婷)

印度FristPost网站针对印商务部长所谓计算输入错误刊登的质疑文章《Bad data? Why $9.4 bn export reporting ‘mistake’ is a scandal》,原文如下:

Is a $9.4 billion hole that difficult to spot? Or a $15 billion export surge in just one industry sector all of a sudden?

Well, if one is to believe Commerce Secretary Rahul Khullar, exports were overstated by around $9.4 billion during April-October this year because of a system crash in the commerce ministry and mistakes in data classification and data entry.

This is his incredible statement: “Mistakes take place. Every number for the last seven months was revised. This notion that the government is deliberately cooking up (data) and telling you lies has got to stop,” The Economic Times quoted Khullar as saying on Friday.

There is no reason why Rahul Khullar's ministry should not be held equally accountable for this serious lapse. AFP
Mr Khullar, we haven’t accused you of cooking up data— so one does not know where that comes from, unless it is a guilty conscience. Your boss, Anand Sharma, who has just had a fiasco with FDI in retail, cannot afford an export data scam.

Business Standard reports your statement thus: “I have always maintained that these are provisional and unreliable numbers (emphasis ours). Because of the ongoing controversy on how reliable the numbers are, we have gone back to the books, we corrected the numbers and we did find mistakes and it has not changed any major thing.”

It gets worse. Listen to what the BusinessLine quotes you as saying: “It is not as if you have a balance of payments crisis because you didn’t know the (export) numbers were wrong. But yes, the trade deficit is a little worse now than what was expected.”

Well, Mr Khullar, please listen to your own statements— and we are assuming they have been reported correctly – and tell us if the government’s enforcement directorate or income tax officials will happily let companies off the hook if they said they had a computer crash and data entry errors and hence did not pay crores in duty as a result. If a businessman told you “mistakes happen,” will you let him go scot-free? There is no reason why your ministry should not be held equally accountable for this serious lapse.

Mr Khullar, this appears to be a transparent effort to gloss over several serious issues that will have widespread ramifications for the believability of Indian economic data. For six reasons at least.

First, you admit that your ministry’s Directorate General of Commercial Intelligence and Statistics (DGCI&S), is producing “unreliable data”. If this is the case, why didn’t anyone report it before outsiders — including Firstpost and three analysts from Kotak Securities – pointed this out? How long has this unreliable data reporting been happening? Have you set up an enquiry to fix the problem once and for all?

Second, if the computer crash at DGCI&S happened at the start of the financial year, how come it took you six months to report the problem to us? Didn’t you put in place elementary checks right then to see that the country’s data – which moves markets and which the whole world relies on – was correct? Why put out data you yourself believe is wrong?

Third, your attempt to pretend that this is some kind of minor goof-up boggles the mind. The question is not whether the misreporting of export figures damaged our trade balance, but how you failed to spot it. BusinessLine quotes you as saying: “Even if the accounting or statistical system collapses, the RBI (which has a cross-check mechanism) would have raised alarm bells if the reserves are lesser. The fact that there was no dramatic drawdown on the reserves is a good indication that these (export) numbers were not so far off the mark.”

This is one of the most callous statements I have heard from officialdom. Basically, it is a cop-out, since you are effectively saying if we goof up someone else will alert us about it. What does this say about your ministry’s own sense of responsibility on such important figures?

Fourth, the real goof-up is not merely $9.4 billion, but much bigger. For example, the figures given out on Friday spoke of a $15 billion over-reporting of engineering exports, and a $12 billion underestimation in the case of petroleum and gems and jewellery. The net figure may be $9.4 billion, but what has really happened is a $27 billion error – since one error in engineering and another in petroleum and gems cannot really cancel each other out.

In short, taking other data entry errors into accounts, we are talking about errors adding up to over $30 billion that went on for months and no one smelt a rat. The Financial Express says that “there were exaggerations of up to $0.5-1 billion each in some other product categories and ‘all sorts of things’, including double counting.”

Mr Khullar, you cannot simply allow “all sorts of things” to go on under your watch.

Fifth, the problem does not relate only to wrong numbers. In fact, the suspicion raised by the Kotak report was not just about data errors, but whether exports were being deliberately overinvoiced to bring in unaccounted money, now that things are getting hotter for hot money to stay on in tax havens. So, the fact that your wrong numbers “inflated exports by about $9.4 billion, which means a margin of error of about 4-5 percent” is way off the mark. You need to look at the authenticity of even those numbers.

Sixth, how do you know that the errors pertain only to this year when the DGCI&S computer and software crashed? The Kotak report that originally raised doubts about your export numbers talked about dubious figures in 2010-11. That’s last year. Not this year.

Let me refresh you on what the Kotak report said, which Firstpost reported in October:

“Our study of exports data of major engineering companies (including automobiles and metals) shows that the increase in their exports does not reconcile with the steep increase in official exports data. In fact, the gap is quite substantial.”

The official export data showed 79 percent year-on-year export growth in 2010-11. Exports by engineering companies in the BSE 500 (the cream of India Inc) show just 11 percent growth. If you want to know the difference in dollars, the engineering export jump accounts for $30 billion (up from $38 billion to $68 billion). The figures for the BSE 500 show a jump of just Rs 61 billion (rupees, not dollars). Converted at the rate of $ 1= Rs 44, this is just $1.38 billion.

As we asked then: Where did the rest of the $28-and-odd billion come from? From itsy-bitsy small engineering companies that are not in the BSE 500? Or was so much of illegal ore mined and sent by the Reddy brothers and their ilk in Goa, Odisha, Karnataka, and Jharkhand?

Or, as the Kotak report suggests, could  it all be overinvoiced exports?

So, Mr Khullar, if the data went wrong this year due to a computer crash, what happened last year? Another unreported computer crash? Or did we really do phenomenally well in 2010-11?

Either way, this is a fit case for a complete investigation by the Comptroller and Auditor General. Who knows, we might end up with a data-scam that is even larger than the 2G spectrum one. It is up to you and your boss Anand Sharma to find out.

原文网址:http://www.firstpost.com/economy ... mistake-152717.html


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印度统计再现“低级错误”,商务部长称出口额多算了94亿美元2011-12-13 19:49中央社台北2011年12月10日电 印度商务部表示,由于在计算海外销售时出现“分类出错和误算”,因此11月止这8个月的出口数字多了90亿美元。

印度商务部部长库勒(Rahul Khullar)昨天向记者说:“不仅分类出错,还有重复计算及其他的错误,使出口数字膨胀约90亿美元。”库勒表示,现在4月到11月的海外销售为1927亿美元。

尽管欧债危机和美国经济复苏举步维艰,使全球消费者需求减少,印度月度出口自4月来仍平均成长约44%,让经济师开始质疑这份数据的准确度。

孟买Religare Capital Markets Ltd.经济师尚卡(Jay Shankar)表示,今天的修正解释了“卢比会走软的部分原因”。卢比今年表现在亚洲货币中吊车尾。

开发中国家研究与信息系统组织(Research and Information System for Developing Countries)主任达尔(Biswajit Dhar)表示:“全球经济表现并不好,所以很难理解印度出口数据怎么可以这么杰出。让我们也有理由相信,这个数据可能有问题。”

卢比兑美元汇价昨天在孟买挫贬0.6%,报52.04卢比比1美元,今年贬幅扩大至14.1%。今年市值缩水1/5的印度股市指标BSE India Sensitive Index(简称Sensex)挫跌1.7%。(译者:中央社陈昱婷)

印度FristPost网站针对印商务部长所谓计算输入错误刊登的质疑文章《Bad data? Why $9.4 bn export reporting ‘mistake’ is a scandal》,原文如下:

Is a $9.4 billion hole that difficult to spot? Or a $15 billion export surge in just one industry sector all of a sudden?

Well, if one is to believe Commerce Secretary Rahul Khullar, exports were overstated by around $9.4 billion during April-October this year because of a system crash in the commerce ministry and mistakes in data classification and data entry.

This is his incredible statement: “Mistakes take place. Every number for the last seven months was revised. This notion that the government is deliberately cooking up (data) and telling you lies has got to stop,” The Economic Times quoted Khullar as saying on Friday.

There is no reason why Rahul Khullar's ministry should not be held equally accountable for this serious lapse. AFP
Mr Khullar, we haven’t accused you of cooking up data— so one does not know where that comes from, unless it is a guilty conscience. Your boss, Anand Sharma, who has just had a fiasco with FDI in retail, cannot afford an export data scam.

Business Standard reports your statement thus: “I have always maintained that these are provisional and unreliable numbers (emphasis ours). Because of the ongoing controversy on how reliable the numbers are, we have gone back to the books, we corrected the numbers and we did find mistakes and it has not changed any major thing.”

It gets worse. Listen to what the BusinessLine quotes you as saying: “It is not as if you have a balance of payments crisis because you didn’t know the (export) numbers were wrong. But yes, the trade deficit is a little worse now than what was expected.”

Well, Mr Khullar, please listen to your own statements— and we are assuming they have been reported correctly – and tell us if the government’s enforcement directorate or income tax officials will happily let companies off the hook if they said they had a computer crash and data entry errors and hence did not pay crores in duty as a result. If a businessman told you “mistakes happen,” will you let him go scot-free? There is no reason why your ministry should not be held equally accountable for this serious lapse.

Mr Khullar, this appears to be a transparent effort to gloss over several serious issues that will have widespread ramifications for the believability of Indian economic data. For six reasons at least.

First, you admit that your ministry’s Directorate General of Commercial Intelligence and Statistics (DGCI&S), is producing “unreliable data”. If this is the case, why didn’t anyone report it before outsiders — including Firstpost and three analysts from Kotak Securities – pointed this out? How long has this unreliable data reporting been happening? Have you set up an enquiry to fix the problem once and for all?

Second, if the computer crash at DGCI&S happened at the start of the financial year, how come it took you six months to report the problem to us? Didn’t you put in place elementary checks right then to see that the country’s data – which moves markets and which the whole world relies on – was correct? Why put out data you yourself believe is wrong?

Third, your attempt to pretend that this is some kind of minor goof-up boggles the mind. The question is not whether the misreporting of export figures damaged our trade balance, but how you failed to spot it. BusinessLine quotes you as saying: “Even if the accounting or statistical system collapses, the RBI (which has a cross-check mechanism) would have raised alarm bells if the reserves are lesser. The fact that there was no dramatic drawdown on the reserves is a good indication that these (export) numbers were not so far off the mark.”

This is one of the most callous statements I have heard from officialdom. Basically, it is a cop-out, since you are effectively saying if we goof up someone else will alert us about it. What does this say about your ministry’s own sense of responsibility on such important figures?

Fourth, the real goof-up is not merely $9.4 billion, but much bigger. For example, the figures given out on Friday spoke of a $15 billion over-reporting of engineering exports, and a $12 billion underestimation in the case of petroleum and gems and jewellery. The net figure may be $9.4 billion, but what has really happened is a $27 billion error – since one error in engineering and another in petroleum and gems cannot really cancel each other out.

In short, taking other data entry errors into accounts, we are talking about errors adding up to over $30 billion that went on for months and no one smelt a rat. The Financial Express says that “there were exaggerations of up to $0.5-1 billion each in some other product categories and ‘all sorts of things’, including double counting.”

Mr Khullar, you cannot simply allow “all sorts of things” to go on under your watch.

Fifth, the problem does not relate only to wrong numbers. In fact, the suspicion raised by the Kotak report was not just about data errors, but whether exports were being deliberately overinvoiced to bring in unaccounted money, now that things are getting hotter for hot money to stay on in tax havens. So, the fact that your wrong numbers “inflated exports by about $9.4 billion, which means a margin of error of about 4-5 percent” is way off the mark. You need to look at the authenticity of even those numbers.

Sixth, how do you know that the errors pertain only to this year when the DGCI&S computer and software crashed? The Kotak report that originally raised doubts about your export numbers talked about dubious figures in 2010-11. That’s last year. Not this year.

Let me refresh you on what the Kotak report said, which Firstpost reported in October:

“Our study of exports data of major engineering companies (including automobiles and metals) shows that the increase in their exports does not reconcile with the steep increase in official exports data. In fact, the gap is quite substantial.”

The official export data showed 79 percent year-on-year export growth in 2010-11. Exports by engineering companies in the BSE 500 (the cream of India Inc) show just 11 percent growth. If you want to know the difference in dollars, the engineering export jump accounts for $30 billion (up from $38 billion to $68 billion). The figures for the BSE 500 show a jump of just Rs 61 billion (rupees, not dollars). Converted at the rate of $ 1= Rs 44, this is just $1.38 billion.

As we asked then: Where did the rest of the $28-and-odd billion come from? From itsy-bitsy small engineering companies that are not in the BSE 500? Or was so much of illegal ore mined and sent by the Reddy brothers and their ilk in Goa, Odisha, Karnataka, and Jharkhand?

Or, as the Kotak report suggests, could  it all be overinvoiced exports?

So, Mr Khullar, if the data went wrong this year due to a computer crash, what happened last year? Another unreported computer crash? Or did we really do phenomenally well in 2010-11?

Either way, this is a fit case for a complete investigation by the Comptroller and Auditor General. Who knows, we might end up with a data-scam that is even larger than the 2G spectrum one. It is up to you and your boss Anand Sharma to find out.

原文网址:http://www.firstpost.com/economy ... mistake-152717.html


关于3锅的笑话,我现在笑点变高了
我们统计局还算出今年放假上涨1.5%呢。党的政策真是亚克西啊。
笑别人统计局的时候是不是在五十步笑百步呢?
ac195ac196 发表于 2011-12-14 14:18
我们统计局还算出今年放假上涨1.5%呢。党的政策真是亚克西啊。
笑别人统计局的时候是不是在五十步笑百步呢 ...
今年?又一个穿越的神人,腾讯都没你这么能穿越。现搜新闻也不用这么饥不择食吧?~~
http://news.qq.com/a/20100225/002081.htm
国家统计局公布《2009年国民经济和社会发展统计公报》,数据显示,70个大中城市房屋销售价格上涨1.5%,其中新建住宅价格上涨1.3%,二手住宅价格上涨2.4%;房屋租赁价格下降0.6%。
2008年:70个大中城市房屋销售价格上涨6.5%
2007年:70个大中城市房屋销售价格比上年涨7.6%
楼上打脸的不要打得太重,,,机器人,,,你打它它木赶脚,,,疼了自己的手掌。。。
因为三哥上次在南极帮了TG的忙,这次就不笑话它了
fatwildcat 发表于 2011-12-14 16:11
因为三哥上次在南极帮了TG的忙,这次就不笑话它了
还真没资格笑话的,论数据造假,那句“。。。一路骗到国务院”听说过吧?
就三锅那个稀里糊涂劲,算错这点都算正常的。
rocketxex 发表于 2011-12-14 16:22
还真没资格笑话的,论数据造假,那句“。。。一路骗到国务院”听说过吧?
问题这种走海关的数据作假太容易被揭穿了,十几个主要外贸伙伴国公布的数据一加就知道,单方面的做假是不行的。
rocketxex 发表于 2011-12-14 16:22
还真没资格笑话的,论数据造假,那句“。。。一路骗到国务院”听说过吧?
这话也就骗骗你
我想起了核辐射下的日本,数据不停地跳动~~
我想起了核辐射下的日本,数据不停地跳动~~
那是民主的公差,JY会这么说。
不是说三哥的数学很牛B,什么宾大、麻省、普林斯顿,教数学的都是印度裔么?
传说数学教授是不能管家里的账的
三哥哥的统计数字,估计比兔子水分更多!
印度主要经济指标数据都是采用抽样调查样本进行估算。
三哥这点很强
假账都不会做,笑的是这个,楼上的明白?
外贸领域造假有点难度,因为你的贸易伙伴也在统计,弄不好就。露馅了,
三锅的智商够奇葩的,诺大的国家连个假账都做不来,我又想起了三锅搞国产航母折腾来折腾去,临开工发现航母用钢没有的破事