“超级苏霍伊”，三哥继续被坑爹？

Irkut Corporation of Russia has indicated that the Indian Sukhoi 30 MKI fighter aircraft squadron is to be upgraded into a "Super Sukhoi” by incorporating certain fifth generation aircraft features. The Su-30 MKI upgrade was announced at the MAKS 2011 airshow in Russia by the President and Chairman of the Board of Irkut Corporation of Russia and India and Russia will finalize the exact nature of the upgrade.

According to sources, the Su-MKI upgrade will include a new cockpit, upgraded radar and certain stealth characteristics which can make it less visible to enemy radar than the present Su-30.  Additionally, the upgraded Su-30 MKI will be able to carry a heavier weapons load including the airborne version of the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile. India will upgrade about 100 fighter aircraft which are in service besides the ones that are to be delivered. Even the license-manufactured Sukhoi’s by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will be upgraded.

Although the price of the Sukhoi upgrade project is still to be finalized, the cost is likely to be to the tune of $ 1 billion which will make the Su-30 MKI extremely advanced with its fifth generation fighter plane features. India will eventually have over 230 Sukhoi-30MKIs or 13 squadrons in its fleet and all of these will be upgraded to Super Sukhoi’s.

Meanwhile, there is a lot to be clarified what the "Super Sukhoi” aircraft will actually be worth in terms of fifth generation capability. It has been accepted that stealth is the standard for fifth generation aircraft as well as its ability to super cruise. In addition, a next generation BVR missile and AESA radar are also needed for a fighter to qualify as a fifth generation fighter. Experts question whether the Su-30 MKI can super cruise. Also, without heavy structural changes equivalent to an entire new design, it remains to be seen if the fighter can be converted into stealth and have reduced radar signature. It has been argued that engines alone are not the only factor for super cruise as there has to be structural changes to enable that.

Meanwhile, India and Russia are also working on two other crucial projects, namely the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) project and the Multi Role Transport Aircraft (MTA) project. State-run HAL is participating in the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) project which will make India the only country outside of the US and Russia to have a fifth generation fighter. HAL's participation in the FGFA project is going smoothly with a preliminary design contract signed between India and Russia for $ 295 million. The specific details of the Indian components that will go into the FGFA will be decided during the detailed design phase. HAL will be working with its Russian partner United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) in co-developing an export version of which the IAF will be the first customer.


As for the Multi Role Transport Aircraft (MTA) project, Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) will soon set up a technical competence center to develop critical technologies for the Indo-Russian MTA project. As for HAL, it has set-up a new company, the Multi Role Transport Aircraft Limited (MTAL), as an Indo-Russian joint venture. The aircraft’s designing and the prototype will come from Russia while production will take place in India. MATL will be in charge of marketing the aircraft in the two countries as well as for export. The total project cost is estimated at $ 600 million shared between the two countries.

链接: w w w.defencenow.com/news/279/india%E2%80%99s_su30_mki_to_be_upgraded_to_super_sukhoi_by_russia.html

大意先翻译一下：
在2011年的莫斯科航展上，Irkut公司表示将把三哥的Su-30MKI升级为包含了部分五代机特征的“超级苏霍伊”，最终方案还未确定。
据称，这次升级包括新的座舱，升级雷达及部分隐身特性。此外，升级后的 Su-30MKI将有更大的载荷和携带“不拉猫屎”的能力。由HAL制造的飞机也同样升级。
虽然这次升级的费用仍没确定，但估计会花费10亿美元左右（此处说的是这10亿美元将令这些Su-30MKI因拥有了五代机的特征而“极端先进”……）印度将最终拥有超过230架或者说13个中队的“超级苏霍伊”。
不过，“超级苏霍伊”究竟能不能算得上是五代机还有许多方面有待证明。公认的五代机标准包括隐身和超巡，此外还有BVR导弹和AESA雷达。专家质疑Su-30能否超巡。同样，在不改机体的情况下能否让它隐身也不太靠谱。另外超巡并不单由发动机决定，机体结构布局也是一个能否超巡的决定性因素。

与此同时，三哥和毛子正一起进行两个重要项目：FGFA和多用途运输机（MTA）。HAL参与了FGFA意味着三哥将成为除米国和毛子外唯一拥有五代机的国家。HAL在FGFA项目中的进展很顺利，与毛子的初步协议价值2亿9千万美元。三哥为FGFA生产的部件的具体参数将在具体设计阶段确定。HAL将与毛子的UAC联合设计FGFA的出口版，IAF成为将成为第一个用户。

关于MTA，UAC和HAL将成立合资公司MATL，飞机的设计和样机在毛国完成，生产将由三哥进行。MATL负责飞机的销售，整个项目由双方共同出资，约6亿美元。

一些吐槽：文章没注作者是谁，也懒得去查了，但是尽管说了一些事的不靠谱性，整篇文章还是一股子三哥的自负口气和莫名奇妙的优越感。特别是这句“三哥将成为除米国和毛子外唯一拥有五代机的国家”，不单J-20被直接忽视，美帝F-35的用户们也直接被忽略不计了。按现在的进度，等阿三的T-50拿到手，F-35和海外用户起码有几个都已经拿到手并玩溜了吧。莫非三哥觉得肥电算不上五代机？
以前三哥们就经常叫嚣空射不拉猫屎，但现在这么一看，敢情原来的MKI应该是没有射不拉猫屎的能力？
Su-30改隐身，部分效果应该有，毕竟已经有沉默鹰了，但能有多大的效果啊，光从原来Su-30和F-15机体形状上来看觉得这个超级苏霍伊隐身能力很难超过沉默鹰，可以认为F-15隐身的底子更好一些：机体更多平面直线（Su－30几乎全是曲线曲面），有容纳弹舱的空间（Su-30要改为机内弹舱，得多下几倍的功夫吧）
如果真的能用10亿刀就可以把230架Su-30升级为五代机，也挺值了，每架才花40多万刀，简直太白菜价了。
三哥们对HAL的热情真是大大的，就HAL这个我出钱你做东西的合作方式，总被认为是“联合开发”。三哥用的T-50还被认为是“出口型”，他们还真以为别的国家的空军也都那么变态一个飞行员就不敢开飞机啊，到时真有潜在用户，只怕人也会要单座版，这时候毛子就会把三哥直接甩一边了。这个三哥几乎铁定要被毛子摆一刀了，不过也不用怎么担心，想买T-50的只怕近期不会有了。Irkut Corporation of Russia has indicated that the Indian Sukhoi 30 MKI fighter aircraft squadron is to be upgraded into a "Super Sukhoi” by incorporating certain fifth generation aircraft features. The Su-30 MKI upgrade was announced at the MAKS 2011 airshow in Russia by the President and Chairman of the Board of Irkut Corporation of Russia and India and Russia will finalize the exact nature of the upgrade.

According to sources, the Su-MKI upgrade will include a new cockpit, upgraded radar and certain stealth characteristics which can make it less visible to enemy radar than the present Su-30.  Additionally, the upgraded Su-30 MKI will be able to carry a heavier weapons load including the airborne version of the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile. India will upgrade about 100 fighter aircraft which are in service besides the ones that are to be delivered. Even the license-manufactured Sukhoi’s by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will be upgraded.

Although the price of the Sukhoi upgrade project is still to be finalized, the cost is likely to be to the tune of $ 1 billion which will make the Su-30 MKI extremely advanced with its fifth generation fighter plane features. India will eventually have over 230 Sukhoi-30MKIs or 13 squadrons in its fleet and all of these will be upgraded to Super Sukhoi’s.

Meanwhile, there is a lot to be clarified what the "Super Sukhoi” aircraft will actually be worth in terms of fifth generation capability. It has been accepted that stealth is the standard for fifth generation aircraft as well as its ability to super cruise. In addition, a next generation BVR missile and AESA radar are also needed for a fighter to qualify as a fifth generation fighter. Experts question whether the Su-30 MKI can super cruise. Also, without heavy structural changes equivalent to an entire new design, it remains to be seen if the fighter can be converted into stealth and have reduced radar signature. It has been argued that engines alone are not the only factor for super cruise as there has to be structural changes to enable that.

Meanwhile, India and Russia are also working on two other crucial projects, namely the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) project and the Multi Role Transport Aircraft (MTA) project. State-run HAL is participating in the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) project which will make India the only country outside of the US and Russia to have a fifth generation fighter. HAL's participation in the FGFA project is going smoothly with a preliminary design contract signed between India and Russia for $ 295 million. The specific details of the Indian components that will go into the FGFA will be decided during the detailed design phase. HAL will be working with its Russian partner United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) in co-developing an export version of which the IAF will be the first customer.


As for the Multi Role Transport Aircraft (MTA) project, Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) will soon set up a technical competence center to develop critical technologies for the Indo-Russian MTA project. As for HAL, it has set-up a new company, the Multi Role Transport Aircraft Limited (MTAL), as an Indo-Russian joint venture. The aircraft’s designing and the prototype will come from Russia while production will take place in India. MATL will be in charge of marketing the aircraft in the two countries as well as for export. The total project cost is estimated at $ 600 million shared between the two countries.

链接: w w w.defencenow.com/news/279/india%E2%80%99s_su30_mki_to_be_upgraded_to_super_sukhoi_by_russia.html

大意先翻译一下：
在2011年的莫斯科航展上，Irkut公司表示将把三哥的Su-30MKI升级为包含了部分五代机特征的“超级苏霍伊”，最终方案还未确定。
据称，这次升级包括新的座舱，升级雷达及部分隐身特性。此外，升级后的 Su-30MKI将有更大的载荷和携带“不拉猫屎”的能力。由HAL制造的飞机也同样升级。
虽然这次升级的费用仍没确定，但估计会花费10亿美元左右（此处说的是这10亿美元将令这些Su-30MKI因拥有了五代机的特征而“极端先进”……）印度将最终拥有超过230架或者说13个中队的“超级苏霍伊”。
不过，“超级苏霍伊”究竟能不能算得上是五代机还有许多方面有待证明。公认的五代机标准包括隐身和超巡，此外还有BVR导弹和AESA雷达。专家质疑Su-30能否超巡。同样，在不改机体的情况下能否让它隐身也不太靠谱。另外超巡并不单由发动机决定，机体结构布局也是一个能否超巡的决定性因素。

与此同时，三哥和毛子正一起进行两个重要项目：FGFA和多用途运输机（MTA）。HAL参与了FGFA意味着三哥将成为除米国和毛子外唯一拥有五代机的国家。HAL在FGFA项目中的进展很顺利，与毛子的初步协议价值2亿9千万美元。三哥为FGFA生产的部件的具体参数将在具体设计阶段确定。HAL将与毛子的UAC联合设计FGFA的出口版，IAF成为将成为第一个用户。

关于MTA，UAC和HAL将成立合资公司MATL，飞机的设计和样机在毛国完成，生产将由三哥进行。MATL负责飞机的销售，整个项目由双方共同出资，约6亿美元。

一些吐槽：文章没注作者是谁，也懒得去查了，但是尽管说了一些事的不靠谱性，整篇文章还是一股子三哥的自负口气和莫名奇妙的优越感。特别是这句“三哥将成为除米国和毛子外唯一拥有五代机的国家”，不单J-20被直接忽视，美帝F-35的用户们也直接被忽略不计了。按现在的进度，等阿三的T-50拿到手，F-35和海外用户起码有几个都已经拿到手并玩溜了吧。莫非三哥觉得肥电算不上五代机？
以前三哥们就经常叫嚣空射不拉猫屎，但现在这么一看，敢情原来的MKI应该是没有射不拉猫屎的能力？
Su-30改隐身，部分效果应该有，毕竟已经有沉默鹰了，但能有多大的效果啊，光从原来Su-30和F-15机体形状上来看觉得这个超级苏霍伊隐身能力很难超过沉默鹰，可以认为F-15隐身的底子更好一些：机体更多平面直线（Su－30几乎全是曲线曲面），有容纳弹舱的空间（Su-30要改为机内弹舱，得多下几倍的功夫吧）
如果真的能用10亿刀就可以把230架Su-30升级为五代机，也挺值了，每架才花40多万刀，简直太白菜价了。
三哥们对HAL的热情真是大大的，就HAL这个我出钱你做东西的合作方式，总被认为是“联合开发”。三哥用的T-50还被认为是“出口型”，他们还真以为别的国家的空军也都那么变态一个飞行员就不敢开飞机啊，到时真有潜在用户，只怕人也会要单座版，这时候毛子就会把三哥直接甩一边了。这个三哥几乎铁定要被毛子摆一刀了，不过也不用怎么担心，想买T-50的只怕近期不会有了。