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Russian physics experiments have confirmed the second postulate of SRT


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The first direct experimental confirmation of the second postulate of special relativity (the constancy of the speed of light) have carried out based on the physics of the Kurchatov synchrotron radiation center . The work was done under the guidance of Academician of RAS Yevgeny Alexandrov.

In the experiments, the pulsed light source was a source of synchrotron radiation (SR) - electron storage ring Siberia-1 at the Kurchatov Center of Synchrotron Radiation Research Center CT .


Attempts to test the postulate began 60 years ago, when Academician Vavilov instructed his doctorate Bonch-Bruevich an experiment. Vavilov suggested to his student to design a setup in which a light source would be a beam of fast excited atoms. In the process of detailed development plan for the experiment proved that there is no chance of getting a reliable result, because the technology of those days could not be relied on beams of the desired speed and density: the expected ballistic hypothesis in addition to the speed of light is at the level of interest and the intensity of the radiation beam was estimated too low. The experience was not implemented.

Over the past few decades, various attempts to prove experimentally the second postulate of SRT repeatedly been made by scientists. All the authors of the works came to a conclusion on the validity of the postulate.
But it did not stop the critical statements, which were put forward objections to the ideas of experimentation or questioned their accuracy. The latter is connected, usually with small attainable speed of the light source compared to the speed of light.

Now the Russian physicists were able to realize the experiment proposed by Vavilov, the original beauty, because physics is now in the hands of an extremely bright source of ultrarelativistic. This synchrotron emitter, where the light source is a bunch of electrons moving on a curved trajectory with a velocity very close to the speed of light.



In these circumstances, it is easy to measure the speed of the emitted light in perfect laboratory vacuum. By the logic of ballistic hypothesis that speed should be equal to twice the speed of light from a stationary source. This is a very rough effect, the discovery of which (if it exists) would not need any special tricks. Indeed, simply measure the time of the light pulse dimensional interval in the evacuated space.

Test results, which can be found here , reiterated the commitment of the postulate. Thus, it was first performed direct measurement of the speed of light emitted by an ultrarelativistic source.

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Russian physics experiments have confirmed the second postulate of SRT


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The first direct experimental confirmation of the second postulate of special relativity (the constancy of the speed of light) have carried out based on the physics of the Kurchatov synchrotron radiation center . The work was done under the guidance of Academician of RAS Yevgeny Alexandrov.

In the experiments, the pulsed light source was a source of synchrotron radiation (SR) - electron storage ring Siberia-1 at the Kurchatov Center of Synchrotron Radiation Research Center CT .


Attempts to test the postulate began 60 years ago, when Academician Vavilov instructed his doctorate Bonch-Bruevich an experiment. Vavilov suggested to his student to design a setup in which a light source would be a beam of fast excited atoms. In the process of detailed development plan for the experiment proved that there is no chance of getting a reliable result, because the technology of those days could not be relied on beams of the desired speed and density: the expected ballistic hypothesis in addition to the speed of light is at the level of interest and the intensity of the radiation beam was estimated too low. The experience was not implemented.

Over the past few decades, various attempts to prove experimentally the second postulate of SRT repeatedly been made by scientists. All the authors of the works came to a conclusion on the validity of the postulate.
But it did not stop the critical statements, which were put forward objections to the ideas of experimentation or questioned their accuracy. The latter is connected, usually with small attainable speed of the light source compared to the speed of light.

Now the Russian physicists were able to realize the experiment proposed by Vavilov, the original beauty, because physics is now in the hands of an extremely bright source of ultrarelativistic. This synchrotron emitter, where the light source is a bunch of electrons moving on a curved trajectory with a velocity very close to the speed of light.



In these circumstances, it is easy to measure the speed of the emitted light in perfect laboratory vacuum. By the logic of ballistic hypothesis that speed should be equal to twice the speed of light from a stationary source. This is a very rough effect, the discovery of which (if it exists) would not need any special tricks. Indeed, simply measure the time of the light pulse dimensional interval in the evacuated space.

Test results, which can be found here , reiterated the commitment of the postulate. Thus, it was first performed direct measurement of the speed of light emitted by an ultrarelativistic source.

&quot;You could say that this is a demonstration experiment for future textbooks of physics.&quot; - Said Alexander. - &quot;Of course, for professional physicists, there is no doubt expected result. In this sense, the experience is useless. However, direct demonstration of the constancy of the speed of light is of great didactic value, limiting the ground for further speculations about the foundations of the theory of relativity not been proved. Physics in its development ever to be played back and clarify the fundamental experiments carried out with the new technical possibilities. In this case, is not intended to specify the speed of light. It is about filling gaps in the historical origins of experimental substantiation of SRT, which should facilitate the perception of this rather paradoxical theory. &quot;<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://558812.com">
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这种高深莫测的东东只能顶顶贴了……
第二假设是什么,俺们这种程度的物理都没接触过
lxf11711 发表于 2011-9-24 20:55
第二假设是什么,俺们这种程度的物理都没接触过
the constancy of the speed of light, 光速不变
物理学永远是最前沿的科学。我们要坚信总有一天包括物理学在内的科学会对“我是谁”“我来自何处”“我要去哪里”这三个人类最核心问题做出回答。

一切宗教在科学面前都是纸老虎。
光速不变不是早就被实验直接证实了吗?
一切宗教在科学面前都是纸老虎。
——赞一个!
lxf11711 发表于 2011-9-24 20:55
第二假设是什么,俺们这种程度的物理都没接触过
第一假设:任何惯性参照系都遵循同样的物理规律
第二假设:光速不变
与其从俄语翻译成英语还是直接从俄语翻译成中文吧- -
shthug 发表于 2011-9-24 21:58
物理学永远是最前沿的科学。我们要坚信总有一天包括物理学在内的科学会对“我是谁”“我来自何处”“我要去 ...
建议学习一下什么是科学、科学性再来说这句话

我发现国内的教育让很多理工科生把什么都归功于科学了,马哲教育的失败让人把哲学也给抛弃了,这是另一种失败
比如说卡尔波普就认为科学性在于可证伪性,所以证真的实验并不太令人兴奋,证伪才是进步的源泉(这是个人的理解)
科学让人有种自己就是上帝的错觉,但到了翘辫子的那天才发现,自己啥都不是。。。。。。
Regulus 发表于 2011-9-25 10:37
与其从俄语翻译成英语还是直接从俄语翻译成中文吧- -
那就惨不忍睹了.....
shthug 发表于 2011-9-24 21:58
物理学永远是最前沿的科学。我们要坚信总有一天包括物理学在内的科学会对“我是谁”“我来自何处”“我要去 ...
你想得太美了,基于因果逻辑的科学对于第一因永远是无解
shthug 发表于 2011-9-24 21:58
物理学永远是最前沿的科学。我们要坚信总有一天包括物理学在内的科学会对“我是谁”“我来自何处”“我要去 ...
我来自何处很简单,地球想要点塑料但自己又不知道怎么造……(强大的George Carlin老爷语……)
eden 发表于 2011-9-25 11:11
建议学习一下什么是科学、科学性再来说这句话

我发现国内的教育让很多理工科生把什么都归功于科学了, ...
我主要的学习在西方完成。

bridgeofsighs 发表于 2011-9-25 12:42
你想得太美了,基于因果逻辑的科学对于第一因永远是无解
就算你说的正确,那也比什么处女生子水上漂这种无际的谎言好。事实很清楚,上帝生活在一个没有电话、没有电脑、没有互联网的蛮荒世界。上帝不曾提高人类寿命,不曾减缓病痛,更加不曾解决战乱。

一个愚昧的谎言重复几千年,到头来也还是个谎言。

只有科学才配称为信仰。
shthug 发表于 2011-9-25 15:31
就算你说的正确,那也比什么处女生子水上漂这种无际的谎言好。事实很清楚,上帝生活在一个没有电话、没有 ...
科学的局限在于人类永远不可能100%认识世界,总会出现人类无法理解的现象

具体表现为永远不可制成可靠性100%的装置等

从这个角度上讲,将科学认为是绝对正确和可靠的信仰是完全不可取的


当然了,信XX教更不可取



不过,宇宙中确实存在100%正确的事,但已经属于哲学范畴
bridgeofsighs 发表于 2011-9-25 16:31
科学的局限在于人类永远不可能100%认识世界,总会出现人类无法理解的现象

具体表现为永远不可制成可靠 ...
100%正确的事情哲学范畴?笑得我喷了一显示器的可乐

2战已经结束,这件事是哲学范畴?
我2011年9月25日午饭吃了花菜这件事是哲学范畴?

:D 我的学位的全称是Doctor of Philosophy,为了避免打嘴炮胡扯,敢问你的哲学远见师从何方邪缪?
shthug 发表于 2011-9-24 21:58
物理学永远是最前沿的科学。我们要坚信总有一天包括物理学在内的科学会对“我是谁”“我来自何处”“我要去 ...
你的假设就错误了。现在只有最恶劣白痴的宗教才会去回答科学的问题,现在不断改良适应社会发展需要的宗教讲究的都是人文关怀。曾几何时,科学研究的圣地就是教堂,这点你再怎么胡扯也没用。所谓的最核心的问题更是你自己的问题而已,去问问你身边的人,他们有几个关心这种所谓的核心问题的?基本都没听说过。
guohucn 发表于 2011-9-24 22:02
光速不变不是早就被实验直接证实了吗?
科学是在不断的发展的,现在证明的不见得永远是对的。
greyhond 发表于 2011-9-25 16:58
你的假设就错误了。现在只有最恶劣白痴的宗教才会去回答科学的问题,现在不断改良适应社会发展需要的宗教 ...
1. 上帝教这个邪教长期打压天文研究,长期残酷打压进化论研究,长期疯狂璀璨医学研究,包括手术、解剖。

2. 上帝教这个邪教至今虽然对以前所犯罪行在一些个案上作了道歉,比如对达尔文做出了正式的道歉,但至今拒绝对所犯罪行做综合的全局的道歉,坚持一案一论。

3. 上帝教这个邪教至今仍旧在医学、天文等等方面疯狂阻碍科学发展,比如恶毒攻击胚胎干细胞纯医学研究,比如阻碍艾滋病预防与治疗。

所谓人文关怀完全是洗脑谬论。上帝教教堂教区疯狂的对未成年男女的性侵犯是不是这个人文关怀的一部分?把艾滋病说成上帝的礼物,组织非洲人使用避孕套,从而使得非洲艾滋病大流行,是不是人文关怀的一部分?用恐吓手法威胁不信教的人,说不信的话死后下地狱,是不是人文关怀的一部分?

我不知道世界上什么宗教最劣等白痴,但很显然,上帝教是很卑劣的一个下三滥宗教。

我们来自何处,where did we come from,是进化论最核心的问题,也是科学和宗教争论最激烈的问题。你突然一句你没有听说过,就改变了?可笑可悲。

简单说一句话,会错误认为什么宗教是人文关怀的人已经是被洗脑的了,已经不适合严肃讨论这样的大是大非问题的了。


“光速不变”的说法不科学,因为光在不同介质里的速度还是有区别的。
所谓光速不变,是指相对于任何参照系,光都是一个速度。比如A物体高速飞过B物体,A物体上发出的光,在A物体上测量的光速与从B物体上测得的A发出的光速是一样的。
俺理解是光速不具有叠加性。

“光速不变”的说法不科学,因为光在不同介质里的速度还是有区别的。
所谓光速不变,是指相对于任何参照系,光都是一个速度。比如A物体高速飞过B物体,A物体上发出的光,在A物体上测量的光速与从B物体上测得的A发出的光速是一样的。
俺理解是光速不具有叠加性。
cnnetspy2000 发表于 2011-9-25 17:38
“光速不变”的说法不科学,因为光在不同介质里的速度还是有区别的。
所谓光速不变,是指相对于任何参照系 ...
从来说的都是真空速度。基本高中常识,我16岁时候物理课上学的。

第二假设:真空中的光速对任何观察者来说都是相同的。

shthug 发表于 2011-9-25 17:43
从来说的都是真空速度。基本高中常识,我16岁时候物理课上学的。

第二假设:真空中的光速对任何观察者 ...
没人问过这一点:光被黑洞吸入的过程中,它的速度是否变化了?
一切都在变化,今天正确的东西,明天可能就未必正确了。当然,给予眼下的贡献才是其功劳。
shthug 发表于 2011-9-25 17:35
1. 上帝教这个邪教长期打压天文研究,长期残酷打压进化论研究,长期疯狂璀璨医学研究,包括手术、解剖。
...
你跟他们讨论这些货就跑题了。我感兴趣的是,这么个用同步辐射源做大学物理教学实验的意义何在,而且似乎精度很低,只是证明不是两倍光速,而非精确测量其与静止光源发出的光速的区别。
eden 发表于 2011-9-25 11:18
比如说卡尔波普就认为科学性在于可证伪性,所以证真的实验并不太令人兴奋,证伪才是进步的源泉(这是个人的 ...
同一个实验可以证真,也可以证伪,这取决于实验结果。
宗教的某些特质对于维系社会的某种稳定是很重要滴.......否则信仰真空更加可怕
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-25 18:09
宗教的某些特质对于维系社会的某种稳定是很重要滴.......否则信仰真空更加可怕
伪命题。

科学为什么不能作为信仰?
家庭观念、传统正义观念不能替代宗教的垃圾?

farocean3000 发表于 2011-9-25 17:51
你跟他们讨论这些货就跑题了。我感兴趣的是,这么个用同步辐射源做大学物理教学实验的意义何在,而且似乎 ...
没有跑题。相对论回答的是大是大非的问题,和宗教有紧密关系。

具体来讲,物理学在这方面的突破最终回答的问题就是宇宙起源和本质问题。而这些又恰恰是2000年来宗教妄图愚弄百姓的地方。
一个没有宗教的世界你可以坚信是灰暗的,我不争辩。但一个没有科学的世界是无法维系存在的。

物理学的伟大在于物理学最接近大是大非的三个问题。



shthug 发表于 2011-9-25 16:53
100%正确的事情哲学范畴?笑得我喷了一显示器的可乐

2战已经结束,这件事是哲学范畴?
不好意思,我的哲学水平远在任何一个哲学家之上{:soso_e104:}
shthug 发表于 2011-9-25 18:20
具体来讲,物理学在这方面的突破最终回答的问题就是宇宙起源和本质问题。而这些又恰恰是2000年来宗教妄图愚 ...
这三个问题的回答根本没物理学什么事儿
热血神猪 发表于 2011-9-25 09:28
第一假设:任何惯性参照系都遵循同样的物理规律
第二假设:光速不变

光为什么特殊?
目前人类知其然,不知其所以然。

将来的问题,就是要搞清楚:光为什么特殊?
bridgeofsighs 发表于 2011-9-25 18:35
这三个问题的回答根本没物理学什么事儿
我说的很清楚了,物理学是科学里离开这三个大是大非问题最接近的。并且我很具体的指出了物理学如今能做出的解释已经比可笑的宗教洗脑说辞好很多了。

bridgeofsighs 发表于 2011-9-25 18:29
不好意思,我的哲学水平远在任何一个哲学家之上
智慧广欢乐多。

shthug 发表于 2011-9-25 18:44
我说的很清楚了,物理学是科学里离开这三个大是大非问题最接近的。并且我很具体的指出了物理学如今能做出 ...
连这三个问题都解决不了,能叫哲学理论?

从这个角度说,大部分哲学理论都是一坨X;P
本来想码码字解下三个问题,想想歪楼了,算了
i火星人i 发表于 2011-9-25 18:36
光为什么特殊?
目前人类知其然,不知其所以然。
没有人说光是特殊的。。。
shthug 发表于 2011-9-25 18:15
伪命题。

科学为什么不能作为信仰?
这个论述起来太宏大鸟, 不好说。