忍无可忍,无须再忍,印度空军要求直接控制HAL,赶走官 ...

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印度空军终于忍受不了HAL那帮官僚了。。。

HAL这么多年,手上的项目没有一个能按时完成,项目成果就更。。。

苏-30MKI国产组装未完成,印度空军不得不从俄罗斯又多订购了两个批次。。。
LCA不仅长期拖延,而且被空军司令斥为米格-21++,由于飞机设计成问题,没办法不得不从不从老美那里搞来更强大的F414发动机,以弥补飞机超重的严重缺陷,LCA MK2研制完成,才能在理论上达到LCA应有的性能。。。
授权生产的那个轻型直升机也接连坠毁。。。
HAL研制的初级教练机都停飞了。。。

印度空军可能怕双风、FGFA最后也落得个苏-30MKI的下场,组装不能,配件不能,不断挨宰。。。。。。未换发未换雷达的苏-30MKI现在卖给印度的价格是单价1.05亿美元。。。。。MMRCA计划18架从英法购得,剩下的108架将在印度生产,新一季不可能完成的任务要上演了。。。

关于HAL
印度斯坦航空公司,垄断经营,印度境内别无分号
2010财年总营收Rs.11,457 Crores,1145.7亿印度卢比,卢比对美元汇率1:0.0222, 约25亿美元,利润约6000万美元。
对比MMRCA 200亿美元,FGFA 300亿美元,苏-30MKI、LCA后续生产其他各种改装项目200-300亿美元,还有AMCA之流,钱景可观。。。


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... cleshow/8969369.cms
IAF seeks direct control of HAL to stem eroding combat-edge

    With an eye on the future and fed up with the "bureaucratic culture" pervading Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), the country's only aircraft manufacturer, IAF now wants the control of the navratna defence PSU.

    IAF has asked the defence ministry (MoD) to appoint one of its three-star officers, instead of a bureaucrat, as the chairman and managing director of HAL once the present incumbent Ashok Nayak retires on October 31.

    MoD sources confirmed IAF had even proposed the name of present assistant chief of air staff (operations & space), Air Vice Marshal M Matheswaran, a top-notch fighter pilot now approved for the air marshal rank, for the HAL post.

    "The matter is being examined...no final decision has been taken," said a source. Simultaneously, a panel of names has also been drawn up to include Pawan Hans chief R K Tyagi, a defence accounts service officer S N Mishra, who earlier was joint secretary (aerospace) in MoD, and MSTC chairman S K Tripathi, among others.

    IAF's revolutionary proposal, on the face of it, makes a lot of sense. As HAL's biggest customer, it has every reason to be worried that most projects being handled by the PSU, which has a sales turnover of over Rs 13,000 crore, have been plagued by time and cost overruns.

    IAF contends the HAL chief should be someone who "understands aerospace concepts" and can "transform" HAL into a cutting-edge company, capable of delivering on time, to stem its fast-eroding combat edge. The force is down to just about 32 fighter squadrons from a "sanctioned strength" of 39.5 squadrons.

    Most ongoing HAL projects like the ones for the Tejas light combat aircraft, Dhruv advanced light helicopters and indigenous production of Sukhoi-30MKI fighters as well as Hawk AJTs (advanced jet trainers) are all running behind schedule.

    Moreover, HAL is also going to handle new programmes worth billions of dollars with foreign collaborators in the near future. They range from the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) and fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) to light utility helicopters and multi-role transport aircraft (MTA).

    The $10.4 billion MMRCA project to acquire 126 fighters, for instance, is all set to be sealed by December. With just two contenders now left in contention, Eurofighter Typhoon and French Rafale, the project will see only the first 18 jets come in "fly-away condition", while the rest will be manufactured by HAL after transfer of technology.

    An even bigger project will be the joint development of the stealth FGFA with Russia for which the $295 million preliminary design contract was inked last December. The cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing of FGFA is pegged at $11 billion. India and Russia will chip in $5.5 billion each.

    Moreover, each of the 250-300 FGFA India hopes to begin inducting from 2020 onwards will cost around $100 million each. Consequently, India will spend upwards of $35 billion over the next two decades on the FGFA.

印度空军终于忍受不了HAL那帮官僚了。。。

HAL这么多年,手上的项目没有一个能按时完成,项目成果就更。。。

苏-30MKI国产组装未完成,印度空军不得不从俄罗斯又多订购了两个批次。。。
LCA不仅长期拖延,而且被空军司令斥为米格-21++,由于飞机设计成问题,没办法不得不从不从老美那里搞来更强大的F414发动机,以弥补飞机超重的严重缺陷,LCA MK2研制完成,才能在理论上达到LCA应有的性能。。。
授权生产的那个轻型直升机也接连坠毁。。。
HAL研制的初级教练机都停飞了。。。

印度空军可能怕双风、FGFA最后也落得个苏-30MKI的下场,组装不能,配件不能,不断挨宰。。。。。。未换发未换雷达的苏-30MKI现在卖给印度的价格是单价1.05亿美元。。。。。MMRCA计划18架从英法购得,剩下的108架将在印度生产,新一季不可能完成的任务要上演了。。。

关于HAL
印度斯坦航空公司,垄断经营,印度境内别无分号
2010财年总营收Rs.11,457 Crores,1145.7亿印度卢比,卢比对美元汇率1:0.0222, 约25亿美元,利润约6000万美元。
对比MMRCA 200亿美元,FGFA 300亿美元,苏-30MKI、LCA后续生产其他各种改装项目200-300亿美元,还有AMCA之流,钱景可观。。。


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... cleshow/8969369.cms
IAF seeks direct control of HAL to stem eroding combat-edge

    With an eye on the future and fed up with the "bureaucratic culture" pervading Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), the country's only aircraft manufacturer, IAF now wants the control of the navratna defence PSU.

    IAF has asked the defence ministry (MoD) to appoint one of its three-star officers, instead of a bureaucrat, as the chairman and managing director of HAL once the present incumbent Ashok Nayak retires on October 31.

    MoD sources confirmed IAF had even proposed the name of present assistant chief of air staff (operations & space), Air Vice Marshal M Matheswaran, a top-notch fighter pilot now approved for the air marshal rank, for the HAL post.

    "The matter is being examined...no final decision has been taken," said a source. Simultaneously, a panel of names has also been drawn up to include Pawan Hans chief R K Tyagi, a defence accounts service officer S N Mishra, who earlier was joint secretary (aerospace) in MoD, and MSTC chairman S K Tripathi, among others.

    IAF's revolutionary proposal, on the face of it, makes a lot of sense. As HAL's biggest customer, it has every reason to be worried that most projects being handled by the PSU, which has a sales turnover of over Rs 13,000 crore, have been plagued by time and cost overruns.

    IAF contends the HAL chief should be someone who "understands aerospace concepts" and can "transform" HAL into a cutting-edge company, capable of delivering on time, to stem its fast-eroding combat edge. The force is down to just about 32 fighter squadrons from a "sanctioned strength" of 39.5 squadrons.

    Most ongoing HAL projects like the ones for the Tejas light combat aircraft, Dhruv advanced light helicopters and indigenous production of Sukhoi-30MKI fighters as well as Hawk AJTs (advanced jet trainers) are all running behind schedule.

    Moreover, HAL is also going to handle new programmes worth billions of dollars with foreign collaborators in the near future. They range from the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) and fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) to light utility helicopters and multi-role transport aircraft (MTA).

    The $10.4 billion MMRCA project to acquire 126 fighters, for instance, is all set to be sealed by December. With just two contenders now left in contention, Eurofighter Typhoon and French Rafale, the project will see only the first 18 jets come in "fly-away condition", while the rest will be manufactured by HAL after transfer of technology.

    An even bigger project will be the joint development of the stealth FGFA with Russia for which the $295 million preliminary design contract was inked last December. The cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing of FGFA is pegged at $11 billion. India and Russia will chip in $5.5 billion each.

    Moreover, each of the 250-300 FGFA India hopes to begin inducting from 2020 onwards will cost around $100 million each. Consequently, India will spend upwards of $35 billion over the next two decades on the FGFA.
估计是看上HAL的油水了


乃放心,就三锅的体制,没有官僚是活不下去滴。
坐看妥协和新官僚的养成。


乃放心,就三锅的体制,没有官僚是活不下去滴。
坐看妥协和新官僚的养成。
球翻译
早就应该这样做了
guoxing1987 发表于 2011-6-27 10:13
估计是看上HAL的油水了
一针见血,精辟!
可能三哥空军认为JJ摔得不够多,油水捞不够


也许是受“枭龙”项目刺激,卡姆拉的飞机修理/总装厂,乃至中国援助巴基斯坦的整个航空工业从一开始就是整套军队编制,里面可是坐着一堆巴基斯坦空军的将领,有什么性能需求,有什么要做决定,有什么。。。处理都非常快。。。比如心血来潮加个DSI什么的,协调起来都容易。。。

多次波折后,巴基斯坦最终决定超7项目上马后,那个效率和速度高的,印度空军眼红啊

军方全程监控,质量控制什么的。

HAL组装和维护飞机的危险性就不用多说了。。。

也许是受“枭龙”项目刺激,卡姆拉的飞机修理/总装厂,乃至中国援助巴基斯坦的整个航空工业从一开始就是整套军队编制,里面可是坐着一堆巴基斯坦空军的将领,有什么性能需求,有什么要做决定,有什么。。。处理都非常快。。。比如心血来潮加个DSI什么的,协调起来都容易。。。

多次波折后,巴基斯坦最终决定超7项目上马后,那个效率和速度高的,印度空军眼红啊

军方全程监控,质量控制什么的。

HAL组装和维护飞机的危险性就不用多说了。。。
向钱看齐!!!
求解毒啊~~~~
阿三的效率比80年代的国企都差,是应该改变下了,但就怕越改越糟
三哥V5,终于做了一个正确无比的决定~
guoxing1987 发表于 2011-6-27 10:13
估计是看上HAL的油水了
那啥,又一次印证一个铁的事实,自古淫才出2楼。
苏霍伊和幻影的回扣不够吃,又盯上HAL的回扣了?
那里有油水,那里就有三星上将。
世界上的官僚都一样

制度+管理+法律执行
阿三如果有效率就不是阿三了
而且吹牛特厉害


三哥的买办可比土鳖强大的狠

三哥的买办可比土鳖强大的狠
帮LZ翻译下
IAF要求的HAL直接控制干削弱战斗力的边缘

    随着着眼于未来和美联储的“官场文化”普及的印度斯坦航空有限公司(HAL),全国唯一的飞机制造商后,印度空军目前希望的navratna防御PSU控制。

    印度空军已要求防卫省(国防部)委任其三星级的人员之一,而不是一个官僚,作为董事长,一旦现任阿肖克纳亚克10月31日退休管理HAL董事。

    国防部消息来源证实印度空军甚至提出了HAL后的空气员工(操作及空间),空军副元帅M Matheswaran,一个一流的战斗机飞行员现在的空气元帅军衔批准目前助理首席名称。

    “该事项正...没有最后作出决定,说:”源。同时,一个名字面板也已制订了包括帕万汉斯首席RK Tyagi,防御帐户服务人员SN米什拉,谁早在国防部联合秘书(航空航天),以及SK特里帕蒂MSTC董事长,等等。

    IAF的革命性建议,在它的面前,使一个很大的意义。由于HAL的最大客户,它已经成为每一个担心,正在由电源,其中有一个以上的营业额卢比13000亿卢比处理大多数项目中,已被时间和成本超支困扰的原因。

    IAF争辩HAL的首席应有专人谁“理解航天概念”,可以“改造”成新锐公司HAL,按时交付能力,以阻止其快速侵蚀作战优势。这支部队是下降到约32只从“制裁力”的39.5中队战斗机中队。

    像大多数正在进行的HAL为三种轻型战斗机机型轻型战斗机,Dhruv先进轻型直升机和苏- 30MKI战斗机以及本土生产的那些项目,鹰AJTs(高级喷气式教练机)都落后于时间表。

    此外,HAL也将处理在不久的将来外国合作者价值数十亿美元的新方案。它们的范围从中型多用途战斗机(MMRCA)和第五代战斗机(FGFA)以轻型多用途直升机和多用途运输机(MTA)。

    在104亿美元MMRCA项目获得126战斗机,例如,是所有设置为十二月密封。由于现在只有两个竞争者争夺左,欧洲战斗机台风和法国阵风,该项目将只看到第18战斗机进来“飞远条件”,而其余的将被HAL生产后技术转让。

    一个更大的项目将成为与俄罗斯联合研制隐形FGFA为其2.95亿美元初步设计合同是去年十二月签署。在设计成本,基础设施建设行动,原型开发和飞行测试是挂在FGFA 110亿美元。印度和俄罗斯将在55亿美元芯片每。

    此外,印度的250-300 FGFA每个希望从2020年起开始inducting将耗资约1亿美元。因此,印度将在未来二十年的FGFA 350亿美元以上。
制裁飞砖 发表于 2011-6-27 10:26
三哥V5,终于做了一个正确无比的决定~
3哥V5是V5,正确无比我看得另说
X47C 发表于 2011-6-27 10:19
也许是受“枭龙”项目刺激,卡姆拉的飞机修理/总装厂,乃至中国援助巴基斯坦的整个航空工业从一开始就是整套 ...
是呀 三哥看了兔子给的这个模式 眼红了,军代表都不派了,直接接管。。
就这样一个效率比TG七八十年代国企还差得多的国家,居然还能对TG造成威胁?
houshanghai 发表于 2011-6-27 10:36
三哥的买办可比土鳖强大的狠
不只是买办,三座大山的说法。

印度就是一个大量土邦组成的国家,HAL是一个大的,HAL内部各部门各机构又是很多个小的,所以效率和绩效可想而知了。。。
军队带枪进厂,监督时段有开枪权,说不定能使工效和质量都上一个百分点~~
最好让印度空军刚退休的那位非常重视知识产权的奈克空军上将来管
体制不改。提效无望。
基础羸弱,不思进取。
有钱就让他买吧
关键是HAL太V5了
会不会将来某天出现此三星将军和某外国女xx的床照?
阿三应该多折腾啊,不然以后我们有压力
这样看来,HAL应该是属于巴基斯坦的,维修后坠毁率绝对是世界NO。1
guoxing1987 发表于 2011-6-27 10:13
估计是看上HAL的油水了
火眼金睛啊
打走了大官僚,来了二官僚。官僚轮流坐,明年到谁家?{:soso_e113:}{:soso_e112:}
就三锅的体制,没有官僚是活不下去滴。
这不是什么好现象。应该让他们继续,,,
军队接管HAL也不会有好结果,结果就是提出一堆更加好高骛远的项目,一通乱搞,保不齐还不如现在,HAL多少还是专业搞航空的,看了那个三哥总参谋长就知道这个空军是个什么水平了


一个右手吃饭,左手直接擦屁股,随地大小便的国家,他们效率可高着呢

一个右手吃饭,左手直接擦屁股,随地大小便的国家,他们效率可高着呢
三锅也玩军管
不止想收国外回扣,现在国内的也不放过啊
折腾了半天

希望HAL保持传统
有利益就上。 TG空军何尝不是直接介入J20的分系统采购。