洪都的筒子们就不要装啦。。。L-15已经上WallStreetJour ...

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The maker of China's new stealth fighter jet has teamed up with a tiny, unprofitable California company to try to launch bids for U.S. defense contracts, possibly including one to supply Chinese helicopters to replace the aging Marine One fleet used by the president, according to people involved in the partnership.

Any Chinese bids for this or another contract under discussion would be certain to meet intense political resistance and would appear to have very little chance of success given mounting U.S. concern about China's military power and long-term strategic goals, and the often-prohibitive opposition in the past to Chinese attempts to enter other strategic U.S. sectors, such as energy and telecommunications.

However, the fact that state-run China Aviation Industry Corp., known as AVIC, is even considering bids for these contracts, which industry insiders expect to be awarded in the next two to three years, reflects the rapid development and lofty ambitions of China's aerospace industry.

AVIC has been in talks for more than a year with California-based U.S. Aerospace Inc. about offering the AC-313—China's largest domestically produced helicopter—as the next generation of Marine One, the people involved in the partnership say.

They say the two companies have also been discussing putting forward AVIC's new L-15 trainer jet as a candidate to replace the U.S. Air Force's fleet of Northrop T-38s, which entered service 50 years ago and on which American fighter pilots learn skills such as how to fly at supersonic speeds.

That contract is expected to be one of the most lucrative military aviation contracts this decade, with the U.S. likely to buy about 400 and other allied countries about 600 more as the jet will become the standard for training pilots to fly the U.S. F-22 and F-35 stealth fighters.

AVIC already supplies civilian aircraft components to U.S. companies, but U.S. officials and lawmakers have expressed concern about U.S. technology being diverted to AVIC's military arm through such cooperation.

Others have questioned the track record of U.S. Aerospace, which is headed by veteran aerospace executive Jim Worsham and is best known for an making an unsuccessful bid last year to enter cargo planes made by Antonov, a state-run Ukrainian company, in a competition to supply the U.S. Air Force with a new aerial tanker. The company, whose shares had traded over the counter, filed Jan. 28 with the Securities and Exchange Commission to deregister its stock. It reported a net loss for the quarter ended Sept. 30 of $11.5 million on revenue of $660,144.

However, U.S. Aerospace believes the idea of procuring defense products from China has support among contacts in the U.S. government and military who want to improve ties with Beijing and help cut defense spending.

U.S. Defense Department officials didn't respond to requests to comment.

After years of supplying China's armed forces, AVIC is now producing both civilian and military aircraft designed to compete in foreign markets, including the U.S. Last year, AVIC unveiled the first life-size mock-up of the C-919 passenger jet, which it is developing with the help of foreign companies as a direct rival to the Boeing 737 and the Airbus A320.

AVIC is also developing the J-20 stealth fighter, which made its first public test flight last month during a visit to China by U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates. The J-20 appears to be designed to rival the U.S. F-22 Raptor—now the world's only fully operational stealth fighter.

The AC-313, which made its first flight last year, is powered by three engines made by Pratt & Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp., and can seat up to 27 passengers and two crew members. It is designed to compete with the likes of Sikorsky and AgustaWestland in the global market for civilian helicopters.

"It may sound ludicrous but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen," said John Kirkland, a lawyer for U.S. Aerospace who is directly involved in the negotiations and authorized to speak on the company's behalf.

"We want China to supply aircraft to the U.S. because we think it makes economic sense."

Mr. Kirkland said the proposal under discussion was to import the Chinese aircraft as civilian products, without any military equipment, and then fit them with avionics, communications and other sensitive technology in the U.S.

He said that would ensure that the aircraft did not compromise national security, and complied with the Buy American Act.

"Nobody's signed anything, but these are the things we're discussing and we're all hopeful that it goes somewhere," he said.

Two AVIC officials confirmed that AVIC signed a "strategic cooperation" agreement with U.S. Aerospace in September.

The first phase of the partnership was to put together bids to supply aircraft components manufactured in China, said Zhang Wei, executive director of the supply-chain management and procurement division of AVIC International Holdings.

"Later, we can maybe enter the bids for the helicopter and trainer jets," he said. "But this helicopter will be used by the American president, so there may be a lot of difficulties, not only technically, but politically."

Email correspondence seen by The Wall Street Journal also showed that senior AVIC officials had been discussing the Marine One and trainer jet contracts with U.S. Aerospace for about a year, but worried about political opposition. U.S. lawmakers have also resisted big defense contract awards to foreign suppliers, even those with U.S.-incorporated subsidiaries.

Beijing was upset in 2005 when congressional opposition forced state-run Cnooc Ltd. to withdraw its bid to buy Unocal, a U.S. oil firm.

In a Senate hearing last month on the Air Force tanker procurement—which pits Boeing Co. and EADS North America, the U.S.-incorporated unit of European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co.—Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.), said it was "absolutely wrong" for a company subsidized by a foreign government to compete for U.S. defense money. "What if this company was owned by China?" she said. "Would we take that into consideration?"

In 2000, the U.S. Army recalled Chinese-made berets after lawmakers raised "buy American" concerns.

However, the Pentagon is now under pressure to upgrade essential military hardware at the same time as it has to cut defense spending by $78 billion over the next five years.

One of its many headaches is the Marine One fleet, which consists of 19 helicopters—11 Sigorsky VH-3Ds that entered service in 1976 and eight smaller Sigorsky VH-60Ns, which were introduced in 1989.

In 2005, the U.S. Navy awarded a contract to supply a replacement— dubbed the V-XX—to a U.S. team led by Lockheed Martin Corp., for delivery between 2009 and 2014.

By 2009, however, the cost of the program had ballooned, and, under political pressure, President Barack Obama canceled the contract and asked the Navy to find a cheaper option.

The Navy says it released a fresh "Request for Information for the Presidential Helicopter Replacement Options" in February 2010 and is now in the "Analysis of Alternatives," or AoA, phase before formal bidding opens.

The Air Force is also in the AoA phase in its search for a replacement for the T-38, which was the world's first supersonic trainer when it entered service in 1961.

The leading contenders are Britain's Hawk 128, Italy's M-346, and the T-50, which was jointly developed by the U.S. and South Korea. China's L-15 made its first flight in 2006, and was displayed for the first time overseas at the Dubai air show in 2009.


还装什么不知道。。。真是可笑!

虽然现在还没有正式参入竞赛洪都的确有这个想法啊!http://online.wsj.com/article/SB ... 19811508921144.html

The maker of China's new stealth fighter jet has teamed up with a tiny, unprofitable California company to try to launch bids for U.S. defense contracts, possibly including one to supply Chinese helicopters to replace the aging Marine One fleet used by the president, according to people involved in the partnership.

Any Chinese bids for this or another contract under discussion would be certain to meet intense political resistance and would appear to have very little chance of success given mounting U.S. concern about China's military power and long-term strategic goals, and the often-prohibitive opposition in the past to Chinese attempts to enter other strategic U.S. sectors, such as energy and telecommunications.

However, the fact that state-run China Aviation Industry Corp., known as AVIC, is even considering bids for these contracts, which industry insiders expect to be awarded in the next two to three years, reflects the rapid development and lofty ambitions of China's aerospace industry.

AVIC has been in talks for more than a year with California-based U.S. Aerospace Inc. about offering the AC-313—China's largest domestically produced helicopter—as the next generation of Marine One, the people involved in the partnership say.

They say the two companies have also been discussing putting forward AVIC's new L-15 trainer jet as a candidate to replace the U.S. Air Force's fleet of Northrop T-38s, which entered service 50 years ago and on which American fighter pilots learn skills such as how to fly at supersonic speeds.

That contract is expected to be one of the most lucrative military aviation contracts this decade, with the U.S. likely to buy about 400 and other allied countries about 600 more as the jet will become the standard for training pilots to fly the U.S. F-22 and F-35 stealth fighters.

AVIC already supplies civilian aircraft components to U.S. companies, but U.S. officials and lawmakers have expressed concern about U.S. technology being diverted to AVIC's military arm through such cooperation.

Others have questioned the track record of U.S. Aerospace, which is headed by veteran aerospace executive Jim Worsham and is best known for an making an unsuccessful bid last year to enter cargo planes made by Antonov, a state-run Ukrainian company, in a competition to supply the U.S. Air Force with a new aerial tanker. The company, whose shares had traded over the counter, filed Jan. 28 with the Securities and Exchange Commission to deregister its stock. It reported a net loss for the quarter ended Sept. 30 of $11.5 million on revenue of $660,144.

However, U.S. Aerospace believes the idea of procuring defense products from China has support among contacts in the U.S. government and military who want to improve ties with Beijing and help cut defense spending.

U.S. Defense Department officials didn't respond to requests to comment.

After years of supplying China's armed forces, AVIC is now producing both civilian and military aircraft designed to compete in foreign markets, including the U.S. Last year, AVIC unveiled the first life-size mock-up of the C-919 passenger jet, which it is developing with the help of foreign companies as a direct rival to the Boeing 737 and the Airbus A320.

AVIC is also developing the J-20 stealth fighter, which made its first public test flight last month during a visit to China by U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates. The J-20 appears to be designed to rival the U.S. F-22 Raptor—now the world's only fully operational stealth fighter.

The AC-313, which made its first flight last year, is powered by three engines made by Pratt & Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp., and can seat up to 27 passengers and two crew members. It is designed to compete with the likes of Sikorsky and AgustaWestland in the global market for civilian helicopters.

"It may sound ludicrous but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen," said John Kirkland, a lawyer for U.S. Aerospace who is directly involved in the negotiations and authorized to speak on the company's behalf.

"We want China to supply aircraft to the U.S. because we think it makes economic sense."

Mr. Kirkland said the proposal under discussion was to import the Chinese aircraft as civilian products, without any military equipment, and then fit them with avionics, communications and other sensitive technology in the U.S.

He said that would ensure that the aircraft did not compromise national security, and complied with the Buy American Act.

"Nobody's signed anything, but these are the things we're discussing and we're all hopeful that it goes somewhere," he said.

Two AVIC officials confirmed that AVIC signed a "strategic cooperation" agreement with U.S. Aerospace in September.

The first phase of the partnership was to put together bids to supply aircraft components manufactured in China, said Zhang Wei, executive director of the supply-chain management and procurement division of AVIC International Holdings.

"Later, we can maybe enter the bids for the helicopter and trainer jets," he said. "But this helicopter will be used by the American president, so there may be a lot of difficulties, not only technically, but politically."

Email correspondence seen by The Wall Street Journal also showed that senior AVIC officials had been discussing the Marine One and trainer jet contracts with U.S. Aerospace for about a year, but worried about political opposition. U.S. lawmakers have also resisted big defense contract awards to foreign suppliers, even those with U.S.-incorporated subsidiaries.

Beijing was upset in 2005 when congressional opposition forced state-run Cnooc Ltd. to withdraw its bid to buy Unocal, a U.S. oil firm.

In a Senate hearing last month on the Air Force tanker procurement—which pits Boeing Co. and EADS North America, the U.S.-incorporated unit of European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co.—Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.), said it was "absolutely wrong" for a company subsidized by a foreign government to compete for U.S. defense money. "What if this company was owned by China?" she said. "Would we take that into consideration?"

In 2000, the U.S. Army recalled Chinese-made berets after lawmakers raised "buy American" concerns.

However, the Pentagon is now under pressure to upgrade essential military hardware at the same time as it has to cut defense spending by $78 billion over the next five years.

One of its many headaches is the Marine One fleet, which consists of 19 helicopters—11 Sigorsky VH-3Ds that entered service in 1976 and eight smaller Sigorsky VH-60Ns, which were introduced in 1989.

In 2005, the U.S. Navy awarded a contract to supply a replacement— dubbed the V-XX—to a U.S. team led by Lockheed Martin Corp., for delivery between 2009 and 2014.

By 2009, however, the cost of the program had ballooned, and, under political pressure, President Barack Obama canceled the contract and asked the Navy to find a cheaper option.

The Navy says it released a fresh "Request for Information for the Presidential Helicopter Replacement Options" in February 2010 and is now in the "Analysis of Alternatives," or AoA, phase before formal bidding opens.

The Air Force is also in the AoA phase in its search for a replacement for the T-38, which was the world's first supersonic trainer when it entered service in 1961.

The leading contenders are Britain's Hawk 128, Italy's M-346, and the T-50, which was jointly developed by the U.S. and South Korea. China's L-15 made its first flight in 2006, and was displayed for the first time overseas at the Dubai air show in 2009.


还装什么不知道。。。真是可笑!

虽然现在还没有正式参入竞赛洪都的确有这个想法啊!
看不懂方言……鸭梨很大!
就是啊 天下大白了 就不用装了 还是狂泄了吧~~~!!!
回复 2# 飞云影疾

大概是这个意思:

小白兔要和MD搞好关系,所以要弄航空合作。合作要分两个过程。一开始在中国生产一些飞机零件。以后高的好的话可以参加美国总统直升座机和教练机的竞赛。

这回CAIC好像和一个加州的美奸公司(小公司)勾搭上了。
关键要搞个美国发动机,用乌克兰的发动机,MD怎么可能买。
ldlpcg1983126 发表于 2011-2-4 13:03


    学K8
强烈要求上翻译…
这玩意如果真要弄到美国去,那就是在中国生产各种配件,在美国用美国工人装配,再搞2个MD的便宜发动机。
这样估计会比现在贵很多,但应该还是比韩国T50便宜很多的。
美国人的一片JB文章,在有些人眼里就是“圣旨”,是真理和真相了。;P:D
回复 9# 洛尊二世

MD专家和洪都工程师在L-15前照得相也是PS的吧。
迷信英文,没档次
美国航空航天高管的中国去年中国 L-15 的教练射流的前面所构成的一组。
.北京 — — 中国的新的隐形战斗机制造商已联手小、 无利可图的加州公司尝试启动对供应中国直升机以更换老化的海洋一个舰队由主席根据参与伙伴关系的人士使用,其中可能包括的美国国防合同进行投标。

任何中国标竞投这或正在讨论的另一份合约将肯定会遇到激烈的政治阻力和会有中国的军事力量和长期的战略目标和过去经常高昂的反对的美国日益关切给中国尝试输入其他能源和电讯等的战略的美国部门的成功的可能性很小。

然而,这一事实国有中国航空工业总公司称为航,甚至考虑这些的业内人士预期会在未来的两到三年批出的合约招标,反映了快速的发展和中国的航空航天工业的远大理想。

在中国一航里程碑的天空中的饼图
1998First 飞行的中国第一的土著战斗机歼-10

2003 年第一的 Z-10 攻击直升机的飞行

俄罗斯的苏-27 的中文版 J-11B 2007Unveiling

2009The L-15 教练射流在迪拜航空展海外第一次显示

2010AC-313 直升机使其第一次飞行。
.艾维克至今已一年多与加州美国航空航天公司关于开设交流-313 会谈 — — 中国最大国产直升机 — — 海洋一个下一代作为参与伙伴关系的人说。

他们说,两家公司还一直在讨论更换美国空军舰队 bf 的诺斯罗普 T-109,其中 50 年前进入服务和的美国战斗机飞行员学习技能,例如如何在超音速飞行的候选人提出艾维克的新型 L-15 教练射流。

该合同被有望成为最有利可图的军事航空合同之一这十年有可能购买约 400 和其他盟国约 600 多喷气机将成为培训飞行员飞美国 f-22 和 f-35 的隐形战机的标准的美国。

艾维克已经供应美国的公司的民用飞机零部件,但美国官员和立法者关注美国技术被转用于艾维克的军事手臂,通过这种合作。

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在华盛顿与主席奧巴馬,船上的海洋一。
.其他人质疑美国航天,这由经验丰富的航空航天高吉姆 Worsham,是一个制作已知最佳纪录成功投标去年进入 安东诺夫,在提供新的空中油轮与美国空军的竞争的状态运行乌克兰公司所作的货运飞机。这家股价已上市、 上柜,提交 1 月 28 日证券交易委员会进行取消注册其股票。它宣布,截至 9 月 30 日 11.5 万 660,144 元收入的季度净亏损。

不过,美国航空航天认为为了讨好防御来自中国的产品有联系人中的支持在美国政府和军事谁要改善与北京的关系,并帮助削减国防开支。

美国国防部官员没有回应评论的请求。

多年的中国军队供应艾维克现在生产旨在在包括美国的外国市场上竞争的民用和军用飞机最后的年艾维克公布了第一的真人示范的外国公司的帮助下发展作为直接的竞争对手波音 737 和空客 A320 的喷气式 C-919 客机。

艾维克还正在使其首次公开的试飞上个月的美国国防部长罗伯特 · 盖茨访华期间的 J-20 隐形战斗机。似乎为了竞争对手美国 f-22 猛禽的 J-20 — — 现在世界上只有全面运作隐形战斗机。

在交流-313,其中去年提出其第一次飞行通电普惠的 联合技术 的单位所作的三个引擎的公司,和可容纳达 27 的乘客和两名机组人员。它被为了与西科斯基和民用直升机的全球市场中的 AgustaWestland 喜欢竞争。

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中国的交流-313 直升机。
.这可能听起来可笑,但这并不意味着它不会发生,说第 Kirkland 约翰为美国航天人是直接参与谈判和授权公司的名义发言的一位律师。

我们希望中国提供飞机到美国,因为我们认为经济意义。

柯克兰先生说,所讨论的建议是作为不需任何军事的设备的民用产品导入中国飞机,然后他们的适当与航空电子、 通信和其他在美国的敏感技术

他说,这将保证飞机也不妥协国家的安全和遵从买美国法。

没有人签署了什么,但这些都是我们正在讨论的事情和我们都希望的是它会在某处,他说。

中国一航的两名官员证实艾维克签署与美国航空航天九月份的战略的合作协议。

伙伴关系的第一阶段一起放在中国,制造的飞机部件供应表示的供应链管理和采购司的航国际控股有限公司执行董事张伟。

"以后,我们可以也许输入的投标书,直升机和培训师的射流"他说。但这款直升机将由美国的总统使用,所以可能有很多困难,不仅在技术上,而且在政治上。

见过的华尔街日报 》 的电子邮件通信还表明中国一航的高级官员讨论了海洋一教练射流与美国航空航天的合约,大约一年的时间,但担心政治反对派。美国立法者也制抵了,即便是那些美国成立为法团的附属公司的外国供应大国防合同奖。

北京被打乱了 2005 年,当国会反对强迫状态运行 中海油 撤回竞购优尼科美国的石油企业有限公司。

在一个参议院聆讯上月空军油轮采购 — — 的坑波音公司和欧洲航空防务与空间公司美国纳入单位美国北部 EADS — 参议员克莱尔麦卡斯基尔 (密苏里 D.) 说,它是绝对错的了一家公司,由外国政府资助争夺美国防御钱。"如果这家公司由拥有中国?"她说。"将我们考虑这一点吗?"

在 2000 年,美国陆军回顾中国制造的贝雷帽后立法者提出"买美国货"的关注。

不过,五角大楼现在是在同一时间升级基本的军事硬件,因为它削减国防开支 78 亿元,在未来的五年的压力下。

多头痛的问题之一是,由 19 架直升机组成的海洋一个舰队 — 11 西科斯基 VH-3Ds 在 1976 年和 8 个较小的西科斯基中输入服务 VH 60Ns,在一九八九年实施。

2005 年,美国海军批出合约以供应替代 — — 被称为 V-XX — 到美国团队领导的 洛克希德马丁 公司 2009年至 2014年年间交付。

2009 年,但是,程序的成本已经暴涨,和,政治压力主席貝拉克奧巴馬取消合同问海军找到更便宜的选项。

海军说它释放一个新鲜"请求的信息为总统直升机替换选项"2010 年 2 月,现正式投标打开之前的替代品分析的或 AoA,阶段。

空军也是在其搜索进行更换,T-38,这是世界上第一次超音速教练时它输入服务于 1961 年的 AoA 阶段。

英国的鹰 128,意大利 m-346 和 T-50,这由美国和韩国共同开发的领先的竞争者。中国的 L-15 在 2006 年,其第一次试飞和显示在迪拜航空展 2009 年海外第一次。

— — 弥敦道霍奇有助于这篇文章。
回复 11# batluck

The first phase of the partnership was to put together bids to supply aircraft components manufactured in China, said Zhang Wei, executive director of the supply-chain management and procurement division of AVIC International Holdings.

看来AVIC的工作人员也敢信口雌黄楼?
美国的航空航天是个小公司,这次高调谈谈L15其实只是作绣而已,美国根本不会采购L15和313,美军采购军机基本条件是本土生产
经济是任何国家战略的中心,政治、军力都是其服务行业
打压、分裂、搞乱只算是手段
恐怖、挑动民族矛盾只算战术
别说MD在全世界搞恐怖活动你不知道,他出钱找代理出力是常用戏码。MD在二战最后一个大国参战也是这个路,--让别人冲在前边,有果子时就去摘下。
当看格鲁吉亚凭什么跟俄罗斯叫板、包括车臣还不是有美刀支持,目的很简单,不是让它们战胜俄毛,而是拖位俄毛经济恢复步伐。
MD在全世界搞东搞西,花钱的目的按这个思路就清晰起来了。要说MD不爱钱你信吗,凭什么给别人花。
也许,没有MD这个世界就安宁了。
看不懂啊
看了央视的节目,知道有这么回事;
加州的航空航天公司,准备竞标美军的高教机和陆战队的中型直升机(有总统的专机)。这个公司很小。也就几十个人,他拿出来的就是中国的L15高教机和AC313直升机。不过胜出的机会很小很小。
美军肯定用他们的。一来酬佣金主,二来解决一部分就业问题。
飞云影疾 发表于 2011-2-4 12:36


    英语在世界范围内是通用语言,汉语反倒是方言。
晒呀晒呀晒太阳 发表于 2011-2-4 17:08


    如果不是遍地殖民地,英语能通用?
   一直在想郑和那时候中国就出去殖民,现在英语肯定是方言!
回复 18# 晒呀晒呀晒太阳


    问题你丫现在上的是中国的网站,懂么?
小白兔没戏的吧,海军陆战队一号不可能用TB滴。。MD看着不像话啊
xnihxa520sb 发表于 2011-2-4 17:14


    不懂啊
也算是个突破吧
看不懂方言……
加州的航空航天公司百度了一下没查到,哪位大侠知道请科普一下。
这个就是给l15打广告吧,我支持竞选,也学习一下别人竞选的方式,但是不看好结果
希望中国能出口飞机到美国
这消息确实不可信啊
静观其变
如果洪都这次成了,可以弄个洪都畅谈区了,这政治影响实在严重
not only technically, but politically
一个教练机,MD不要太重视
回复 33# winner_liu

太小看教练机了吧。假设L-15能赢以后F-22和F-35的飞飞都得用L-15. 这个比拍一百部宣传片都要管用。
smokinglog 发表于 2011-2-4 20:20


    初教六都出口老米几百架了
只是去玩玩。中不中没关系。
晨曦晨曦 发表于 2011-2-4 18:35
用百度怎么可能查的到。。。。
根本就没戏的皮包公司,没硬件,只有点钱和人脉,借中国元素炒作自己的名声和股票,真正瞄准的是第三世界市场
回复 17# 晓卿


    不管如何,L15,ac313,都打出广告和名声来了啊
方言不懂