超级军网美航空学会专家：指望F35在空战中和J20对抗是荒谬的
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Australia Air Power on J-20 ,
Dr Carlo Kopp
Over the last few days imagery of what is claimed to be China's new stealth fighter has appeared on a range of Chinese Internet sites. There have been no official disclosures as yet, so many of the claims appearing in the media may only be speculation presented as fact.
The aircraft may be a technology demonstrator or a prototype for a mass production fighter aircraft. The latter is however much more likely, given that the PLA Chief of Air Staff claimed an IOC later in the decade.
What the imagery shows is a large fighter, approaching the size of an F-111, with a canard delta configuration and pair of outward canted all moving vertical tails. This configuration will provide good sustained supersonic cruise performance with a suitable engine type, and good manoeuvre performance in transonic and supersonic regimes.
Of most interest is the stealth shaping, which is considerably better than that seen in the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The Chinese design appears to be largely built around the stealth shaping design rules employed in the F-22A Raptor. The chined nose section and canopy are close in appearance to the F-22. The trapezoidal inlets are closest to the F-22, but employ an F-35 style boundary layer control design. The wing fuselage join angle, critical for side aspect stealth, is very similar to the F-22 and superior to the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The flat lower fuselage is optimal for all aspect wideband stealth. Planform alignment is impossible to assess until in flight imagery becomes available.
The aft fuselage, tailboom, strakes and nozzles are not compatible with high stealth performance, but may only be stop gap measures to expedite flight testing of a prototype. The airframe configuration and aft fuselage would be compatible with an F-22 style 2D TVC nozzle design, or a non-TVC rectangular nozzle designed for controlled infrared emission and radio-frequency stealth.
The PLA have not disclosed the engine type. There are claims that the Russians supplied supercruise capable 117S series engines - these would not be sufficient to extract the full performance potential of this advanced airframe.
The airframe configuration is compatible with ventral and side opening internal weapon bays, and large enough to match or exceed the internal weapons payload of the F-22A Raptor. Internal fuel fraction may also be high, given the fuselage configuration and large internal volume of the big delta wing.
Other unknowns are the intended sensor suite. China has yet to demonstrate an AESA radar, or an advanced indigenous emitter locating system. However, these could become available by the time this airframe enters production.
The size of the airframe, and its evident focus on supersonic persistence, suggests at a minimum an intention to provide a long range interceptor for air control in the Second Island Chain geography. This capability by default would provide the ability to penetrate an opposing IADS to destroy assets like AWACS, other ISR systems, and tankers. Suffice to say, with suitable internal weapons, the design could be employed as a penetrating strike aircraft, in the combat radius class of the F-111 or Su-34 Fullback.
The notion that an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet will be capable of competing against this Chengdu design in air combat, let along penetrate airspace defended by this fighter, is simply absurd.
APA will produce a detailed analysis at a future date, once more technical material becomes available.
Some excellent analysis of this system by Bill Sweetman, Editor of DTI, can be located at:
J-20 - Denial Is Not An Option
China's Stealth Striker
大意：
Dr Carlo Kopp(AIAA，美國航空學會高級會員)
照片顯示這是一架比較大的飛機，接近F-111尺寸，采用鴨式布局以及全動垂尾。這將帶來較好的超音速巡航性能以及亞音速和超音速機動性能。
(有段文字說機頭以及機翼與F-22 F-35設計類似，應該取得較好的隱身性能)但這架飛機的後機身與高度隱身性能似乎不匹配，但可能只是試飛型號的問題。
PLA沒公布發動機型號，但是對於這樣一個機體來說，117S發動機顯然是不夠的。
這架飛機的內油系數應該很高。
這個戰鬥機的大小顯示，應該是為了取得第二島鏈的制空權。這架戰鬥機應該有能力摧毀敵方預警機、雷達系統等。它的作戰半徑應該和F-111以及Su-34類似。
指望F-35或者F/A-18/E/F能夠在空戰中和J-20相比擬是荒謬的，更不用說試圖滲透J-20保衛的空域。Australia Air Power on J-20 ,
Dr Carlo Kopp
Over the last few days imagery of what is claimed to be China's new stealth fighter has appeared on a range of Chinese Internet sites. There have been no official disclosures as yet, so many of the claims appearing in the media may only be speculation presented as fact.
The aircraft may be a technology demonstrator or a prototype for a mass production fighter aircraft. The latter is however much more likely, given that the PLA Chief of Air Staff claimed an IOC later in the decade.
What the imagery shows is a large fighter, approaching the size of an F-111, with a canard delta configuration and pair of outward canted all moving vertical tails. This configuration will provide good sustained supersonic cruise performance with a suitable engine type, and good manoeuvre performance in transonic and supersonic regimes.
Of most interest is the stealth shaping, which is considerably better than that seen in the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The Chinese design appears to be largely built around the stealth shaping design rules employed in the F-22A Raptor. The chined nose section and canopy are close in appearance to the F-22. The trapezoidal inlets are closest to the F-22, but employ an F-35 style boundary layer control design. The wing fuselage join angle, critical for side aspect stealth, is very similar to the F-22 and superior to the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The flat lower fuselage is optimal for all aspect wideband stealth. Planform alignment is impossible to assess until in flight imagery becomes available.
The aft fuselage, tailboom, strakes and nozzles are not compatible with high stealth performance, but may only be stop gap measures to expedite flight testing of a prototype. The airframe configuration and aft fuselage would be compatible with an F-22 style 2D TVC nozzle design, or a non-TVC rectangular nozzle designed for controlled infrared emission and radio-frequency stealth.
The PLA have not disclosed the engine type. There are claims that the Russians supplied supercruise capable 117S series engines - these would not be sufficient to extract the full performance potential of this advanced airframe.
The airframe configuration is compatible with ventral and side opening internal weapon bays, and large enough to match or exceed the internal weapons payload of the F-22A Raptor. Internal fuel fraction may also be high, given the fuselage configuration and large internal volume of the big delta wing.
Other unknowns are the intended sensor suite. China has yet to demonstrate an AESA radar, or an advanced indigenous emitter locating system. However, these could become available by the time this airframe enters production.
The size of the airframe, and its evident focus on supersonic persistence, suggests at a minimum an intention to provide a long range interceptor for air control in the Second Island Chain geography. This capability by default would provide the ability to penetrate an opposing IADS to destroy assets like AWACS, other ISR systems, and tankers. Suffice to say, with suitable internal weapons, the design could be employed as a penetrating strike aircraft, in the combat radius class of the F-111 or Su-34 Fullback.
The notion that an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet will be capable of competing against this Chengdu design in air combat, let along penetrate airspace defended by this fighter, is simply absurd.
APA will produce a detailed analysis at a future date, once more technical material becomes available.
Some excellent analysis of this system by Bill Sweetman, Editor of DTI, can be located at:
J-20 - Denial Is Not An Option
China's Stealth Striker
大意：
Dr Carlo Kopp(AIAA，美國航空學會高級會員)
照片顯示這是一架比較大的飛機，接近F-111尺寸，采用鴨式布局以及全動垂尾。這將帶來較好的超音速巡航性能以及亞音速和超音速機動性能。
(有段文字說機頭以及機翼與F-22 F-35設計類似，應該取得較好的隱身性能)但這架飛機的後機身與高度隱身性能似乎不匹配，但可能只是試飛型號的問題。
PLA沒公布發動機型號，但是對於這樣一個機體來說，117S發動機顯然是不夠的。
這架飛機的內油系數應該很高。
這個戰鬥機的大小顯示，應該是為了取得第二島鏈的制空權。這架戰鬥機應該有能力摧毀敵方預警機、雷達系統等。它的作戰半徑應該和F-111以及Su-34類似。
指望F-35或者F/A-18/E/F能夠在空戰中和J-20相比擬是荒謬的，更不用說試圖滲透J-20保衛的空域。
Dr Carlo Kopp
Over the last few days imagery of what is claimed to be China's new stealth fighter has appeared on a range of Chinese Internet sites. There have been no official disclosures as yet, so many of the claims appearing in the media may only be speculation presented as fact.
The aircraft may be a technology demonstrator or a prototype for a mass production fighter aircraft. The latter is however much more likely, given that the PLA Chief of Air Staff claimed an IOC later in the decade.
What the imagery shows is a large fighter, approaching the size of an F-111, with a canard delta configuration and pair of outward canted all moving vertical tails. This configuration will provide good sustained supersonic cruise performance with a suitable engine type, and good manoeuvre performance in transonic and supersonic regimes.
Of most interest is the stealth shaping, which is considerably better than that seen in the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The Chinese design appears to be largely built around the stealth shaping design rules employed in the F-22A Raptor. The chined nose section and canopy are close in appearance to the F-22. The trapezoidal inlets are closest to the F-22, but employ an F-35 style boundary layer control design. The wing fuselage join angle, critical for side aspect stealth, is very similar to the F-22 and superior to the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The flat lower fuselage is optimal for all aspect wideband stealth. Planform alignment is impossible to assess until in flight imagery becomes available.
The aft fuselage, tailboom, strakes and nozzles are not compatible with high stealth performance, but may only be stop gap measures to expedite flight testing of a prototype. The airframe configuration and aft fuselage would be compatible with an F-22 style 2D TVC nozzle design, or a non-TVC rectangular nozzle designed for controlled infrared emission and radio-frequency stealth.
The PLA have not disclosed the engine type. There are claims that the Russians supplied supercruise capable 117S series engines - these would not be sufficient to extract the full performance potential of this advanced airframe.
The airframe configuration is compatible with ventral and side opening internal weapon bays, and large enough to match or exceed the internal weapons payload of the F-22A Raptor. Internal fuel fraction may also be high, given the fuselage configuration and large internal volume of the big delta wing.
Other unknowns are the intended sensor suite. China has yet to demonstrate an AESA radar, or an advanced indigenous emitter locating system. However, these could become available by the time this airframe enters production.
The size of the airframe, and its evident focus on supersonic persistence, suggests at a minimum an intention to provide a long range interceptor for air control in the Second Island Chain geography. This capability by default would provide the ability to penetrate an opposing IADS to destroy assets like AWACS, other ISR systems, and tankers. Suffice to say, with suitable internal weapons, the design could be employed as a penetrating strike aircraft, in the combat radius class of the F-111 or Su-34 Fullback.
The notion that an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet will be capable of competing against this Chengdu design in air combat, let along penetrate airspace defended by this fighter, is simply absurd.
APA will produce a detailed analysis at a future date, once more technical material becomes available.
Some excellent analysis of this system by Bill Sweetman, Editor of DTI, can be located at:
J-20 - Denial Is Not An Option
China's Stealth Striker
大意：
Dr Carlo Kopp(AIAA，美國航空學會高級會員)
照片顯示這是一架比較大的飛機，接近F-111尺寸，采用鴨式布局以及全動垂尾。這將帶來較好的超音速巡航性能以及亞音速和超音速機動性能。
(有段文字說機頭以及機翼與F-22 F-35設計類似，應該取得較好的隱身性能)但這架飛機的後機身與高度隱身性能似乎不匹配，但可能只是試飛型號的問題。
PLA沒公布發動機型號，但是對於這樣一個機體來說，117S發動機顯然是不夠的。
這架飛機的內油系數應該很高。
這個戰鬥機的大小顯示，應該是為了取得第二島鏈的制空權。這架戰鬥機應該有能力摧毀敵方預警機、雷達系統等。它的作戰半徑應該和F-111以及Su-34類似。
指望F-35或者F/A-18/E/F能夠在空戰中和J-20相比擬是荒謬的，更不用說試圖滲透J-20保衛的空域。Australia Air Power on J-20 ,
Dr Carlo Kopp
Over the last few days imagery of what is claimed to be China's new stealth fighter has appeared on a range of Chinese Internet sites. There have been no official disclosures as yet, so many of the claims appearing in the media may only be speculation presented as fact.
The aircraft may be a technology demonstrator or a prototype for a mass production fighter aircraft. The latter is however much more likely, given that the PLA Chief of Air Staff claimed an IOC later in the decade.
What the imagery shows is a large fighter, approaching the size of an F-111, with a canard delta configuration and pair of outward canted all moving vertical tails. This configuration will provide good sustained supersonic cruise performance with a suitable engine type, and good manoeuvre performance in transonic and supersonic regimes.
Of most interest is the stealth shaping, which is considerably better than that seen in the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The Chinese design appears to be largely built around the stealth shaping design rules employed in the F-22A Raptor. The chined nose section and canopy are close in appearance to the F-22. The trapezoidal inlets are closest to the F-22, but employ an F-35 style boundary layer control design. The wing fuselage join angle, critical for side aspect stealth, is very similar to the F-22 and superior to the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The flat lower fuselage is optimal for all aspect wideband stealth. Planform alignment is impossible to assess until in flight imagery becomes available.
The aft fuselage, tailboom, strakes and nozzles are not compatible with high stealth performance, but may only be stop gap measures to expedite flight testing of a prototype. The airframe configuration and aft fuselage would be compatible with an F-22 style 2D TVC nozzle design, or a non-TVC rectangular nozzle designed for controlled infrared emission and radio-frequency stealth.
The PLA have not disclosed the engine type. There are claims that the Russians supplied supercruise capable 117S series engines - these would not be sufficient to extract the full performance potential of this advanced airframe.
The airframe configuration is compatible with ventral and side opening internal weapon bays, and large enough to match or exceed the internal weapons payload of the F-22A Raptor. Internal fuel fraction may also be high, given the fuselage configuration and large internal volume of the big delta wing.
Other unknowns are the intended sensor suite. China has yet to demonstrate an AESA radar, or an advanced indigenous emitter locating system. However, these could become available by the time this airframe enters production.
The size of the airframe, and its evident focus on supersonic persistence, suggests at a minimum an intention to provide a long range interceptor for air control in the Second Island Chain geography. This capability by default would provide the ability to penetrate an opposing IADS to destroy assets like AWACS, other ISR systems, and tankers. Suffice to say, with suitable internal weapons, the design could be employed as a penetrating strike aircraft, in the combat radius class of the F-111 or Su-34 Fullback.
The notion that an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet will be capable of competing against this Chengdu design in air combat, let along penetrate airspace defended by this fighter, is simply absurd.
APA will produce a detailed analysis at a future date, once more technical material becomes available.
Some excellent analysis of this system by Bill Sweetman, Editor of DTI, can be located at:
J-20 - Denial Is Not An Option
China's Stealth Striker
大意：
Dr Carlo Kopp(AIAA，美國航空學會高級會員)
照片顯示這是一架比較大的飛機，接近F-111尺寸，采用鴨式布局以及全動垂尾。這將帶來較好的超音速巡航性能以及亞音速和超音速機動性能。
(有段文字說機頭以及機翼與F-22 F-35設計類似，應該取得較好的隱身性能)但這架飛機的後機身與高度隱身性能似乎不匹配，但可能只是試飛型號的問題。
PLA沒公布發動機型號，但是對於這樣一個機體來說，117S發動機顯然是不夠的。
這架飛機的內油系數應該很高。
這個戰鬥機的大小顯示，應該是為了取得第二島鏈的制空權。這架戰鬥機應該有能力摧毀敵方預警機、雷達系統等。它的作戰半徑應該和F-111以及Su-34類似。
指望F-35或者F/A-18/E/F能夠在空戰中和J-20相比擬是荒謬的，更不用說試圖滲透J-20保衛的空域。
好歹这是真的专家不是真的砖家～
指望F-35或者F/A-18/E/F能夠在空戰中和J-20相比擬是荒謬的，更不用說試圖滲透J-20保衛的空域。
F22生产线重新启动？有人要乐坏了。
这位是专黑F35的好像。。。
别介啊。。我们是可爱的小白兔的，再给我们20年吧。。。6楼的PP很有调调哈~
洛克西德马丁会很高兴的把F35的价格提高50%
洛马的枪手。鉴定完毕
F22和F35不是一家公司啊
重启f22生产线的干活