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人家又开始订游戏规则了。。。。

原文见下,大意是:
基本上就是,Airbus的研发在过去从欧洲各国家政府拿到了比例较大的
经费,这违反了一些WTO规定。 WTO裁定Boing胜诉。Boeing已经为此
努力了很多年了。

影响:WTO的这个裁定,对规定政府在航空领域能作什么和不能做什么进行了明确。
对发展中国家, 尤其是中国(的客机项目),肯定不能像Boeing和Airbus那样
能从非政府金融市场筹集到经费,而主要将是国家经费。这个WTO裁定可能
对中国不利。但中国也许“不鸟”WTO。。。。

WTO ruling could help Boeing and Airbus
The following editorial appeared in the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday:



A World Trade Organization panel’s finding that the European aviation company Airbus had benefited from years of unfair subsidies is, on its surface, a victory for Boeing and the United States in their six-year quest to force Airbus to compete on a level playing field. Yet it also lays the groundwork for an important precedent that could ultimately help both firms in future disputes against new state-subsidized competitors.

The trade body focused on the support that Airbus has received from European governments to help develop and launch virtually all of its large civilian airplane models. The complex, 1,076-page ruling by the WTO dispute-resolution panel wasn’t a slam dunk for either side, leading Airbus to contend that 70 percent of the United States’ claims were rejected. Nevertheless, the overall thrust of the decision was unmistakable: Some $20 billion in low-interest loans that Airbus received were, in fact, impermissible subsidies, and as a consequence Boeing lost sales around the world.

Although the panel called on France, Germany, Spain and Britain to withdraw the offending subsidies within 90 days, it may take years for the WTO to reach a final decision and come up with a way to enforce it. Complicating matters is Europe’s WTO complaint against subsidies allegedly given to Boeing by the U.S. government (in the form of research contracts from NASA and the Defense Department) and the state of Washington (in the form of tax breaks). This aid, which Boeing defends, effectively allowed Boeing to shift some of its costs onto the government.

The issues raised by both cases are important, and together they should help clarify what governments can and cannot do to support the aviation industry. Tougher limits on subsidies would assist both Boeing and Airbus — they can raise capital relatively cheaply to develop new products without taxpayers’ help, while their competitors in developing nations are more likely to depend on governmental subsidies. That’s no guarantee that China and other developing countries will heed the WTO, but it’s a start.

Meanwhile, Boeing and Airbus’ parent company are battling fiercely over a $40 billion military contract to build replacements for the aging U.S. fleet of in-flight refueling tankers. The Air Force has said it won’t take into account the WTO findings, but Congress undoubtedly will. And it should, although the subsidies issue shouldn’t be the deciding factor. As Airbus has noted, both sides’ development costs have been underwritten to some extent by their governments. It’s important for these companies’ bids to be measured by a fair yardstick. Still, the main issues should be the value that the Pentagon and U.S. taxpayers receive for their money, and how much their investment helps the U.S. industrial base.人家又开始订游戏规则了。。。。

原文见下,大意是:
基本上就是,Airbus的研发在过去从欧洲各国家政府拿到了比例较大的
经费,这违反了一些WTO规定。 WTO裁定Boing胜诉。Boeing已经为此
努力了很多年了。

影响:WTO的这个裁定,对规定政府在航空领域能作什么和不能做什么进行了明确。
对发展中国家, 尤其是中国(的客机项目),肯定不能像Boeing和Airbus那样
能从非政府金融市场筹集到经费,而主要将是国家经费。这个WTO裁定可能
对中国不利。但中国也许“不鸟”WTO。。。。

WTO ruling could help Boeing and Airbus
The following editorial appeared in the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday:



A World Trade Organization panel’s finding that the European aviation company Airbus had benefited from years of unfair subsidies is, on its surface, a victory for Boeing and the United States in their six-year quest to force Airbus to compete on a level playing field. Yet it also lays the groundwork for an important precedent that could ultimately help both firms in future disputes against new state-subsidized competitors.

The trade body focused on the support that Airbus has received from European governments to help develop and launch virtually all of its large civilian airplane models. The complex, 1,076-page ruling by the WTO dispute-resolution panel wasn’t a slam dunk for either side, leading Airbus to contend that 70 percent of the United States’ claims were rejected. Nevertheless, the overall thrust of the decision was unmistakable: Some $20 billion in low-interest loans that Airbus received were, in fact, impermissible subsidies, and as a consequence Boeing lost sales around the world.

Although the panel called on France, Germany, Spain and Britain to withdraw the offending subsidies within 90 days, it may take years for the WTO to reach a final decision and come up with a way to enforce it. Complicating matters is Europe’s WTO complaint against subsidies allegedly given to Boeing by the U.S. government (in the form of research contracts from NASA and the Defense Department) and the state of Washington (in the form of tax breaks). This aid, which Boeing defends, effectively allowed Boeing to shift some of its costs onto the government.

The issues raised by both cases are important, and together they should help clarify what governments can and cannot do to support the aviation industry. Tougher limits on subsidies would assist both Boeing and Airbus — they can raise capital relatively cheaply to develop new products without taxpayers’ help, while their competitors in developing nations are more likely to depend on governmental subsidies. That’s no guarantee that China and other developing countries will heed the WTO, but it’s a start.

Meanwhile, Boeing and Airbus’ parent company are battling fiercely over a $40 billion military contract to build replacements for the aging U.S. fleet of in-flight refueling tankers. The Air Force has said it won’t take into account the WTO findings, but Congress undoubtedly will. And it should, although the subsidies issue shouldn’t be the deciding factor. As Airbus has noted, both sides’ development costs have been underwritten to some extent by their governments. It’s important for these companies’ bids to be measured by a fair yardstick. Still, the main issues should be the value that the Pentagon and U.S. taxpayers receive for their money, and how much their investment helps the U.S. industrial base.
波音自己屁股还拿瓦盖着呢
1、商用飞机公司从政府获得补贴,是违反美国法律的。根据这一条,中国商飞的名字中,就不应该有“商用”这两个字,有了这两个字,在美国的类似官司就可能步airbus的后尘。但中国的领导都不是傻的,要起这个名字,肯定是权衡过的。
2、中国商飞前期的市场定位是满足国内市场的需求,国际市场可能是很多年之后的事情了,因此,暂时不会遇到类似的问题。
3、根据**********(敏感内容,不便透露)的现实情况,没有证据表明中国商飞违反了美国的相关法律,因此,不一定会在类似的官司中败诉。
恭喜楼上破处{:jian:}
央企要补贴一定会叫“补贴”?拿股权做文章舒服多了
X-Wing 发表于 2010-7-11 20:11


  不公平竞争? 政府补贴?
TG?
哈哈。外资前些年在中国享受税收优惠算什么啊?TG的央企国家大笔投资从不含糊,你美国打算起诉么?
TG是让你说什么就是什么的么?

大不了,将来TG的大飞机不卖到你美国就是了,至于卖到其它地方,你去告WTO?
切!
无所谓,反正中国的客机不大可能出口欧美发达国家。
好好做好大支线,未来国内市场就可保证公司小康。
所以先搞定技术问题才是正经。
这个倒不用着急,总不会就打算着要出口美国吧
tg可以玩股权投资,先投入1000亿资本金,亏掉了,再投
国有独资企业嘛
亏损你还不让吗?
到了能往美国卖的时候在上市也不迟,而且是去美国上市,他还能说什么?
郭炜 发表于 2010-7-12 18:15


    美国人不会批评中国的傻子的,它只会赞扬中国的傻子。前期亏了老本,好不容易开始赚钱了,给老美送钱来了。
但是中国人要买波音飞机的股权,做梦去吧!
这和美国要为难中国的大客有一毛钱的关系?
商飞从ZF拿钱,证据呢?
没啥啊,低息贷款被认为事实上的补贴。不低息也就是不优惠的就行了呗,不就是会计操作吗,按照准则合法规避就完事了。而且还说了Although the panel called on France, Germany, Spain and Britain to withdraw the offending subsidies within 90 days, it may take years for the WTO to reach a final decision and come up with a way to enforce it. blah, blah, blah...哦,那我们搬个板凳看几年再说咯。说白了,屁事没有。
空客几次竞标美国加油机,结果怎样???成功过没有呢?

我们不要说将来国外市场如何,巨大的国内市场我们还不够吗???一个未来世界上最大的大客机市场。

有必要杞人忧天吗?
波音是军机补贴民机,中国也可以山寨么,可以就军用运输机的问题进行咨询,咨询费一次20亿{:wu:}
开心就好,大家都是这么干
面包会有的,补贴也会有的。。。
hjfgcx 发表于 2010-7-12 18:28

你以为发行股票就是送钱?那你赶紧去买股票吧。
发改委,银监局,证监会,随便谁都能让央企投资
那欧洲人也可以叫美国银行和保险公司不用在欧洲混. 没有美国政府资助很多美国银行和保险公司不是早就要关门 ?
波音是军机补贴民机,中国也可以山寨么,
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这些鬼佬就是爱玩这种文字游戏. 波音的军机和民机, 不就是一个人两个银行户口. ;P
而且是去美国上市,他还能说什么?
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上市是为了集资, 中国还需要外国资金 ?:L