战争的艺术说中远距离的交火M4不如AK

大致意思就是象越南热带丛林的作战,都是```

  大致意思就是象纽约布鲁克林区的作战,都是```

  大致意思就是象月球上的作战,都是```

  楼下自由发挥

  哎呀,发完才发现是翻译官,我自掌嘴,失敬失敬.不过您的反话说得跟真的似的.

大致意思就是象越南热带丛林的作战,都是```

  大致意思就是象纽约布鲁克林区的作战,都是```

  大致意思就是象月球上的作战,都是```

  楼下自由发挥

  哎呀,发完才发现是翻译官,我自掌嘴,失敬失敬.不过您的反话说得跟真的似的.

神论~{:2_60:}

M4初速相比M16有所降低,所以150米外的杀伤力下降严重，的确不如AK

这个是曝出来好几年的问题了

小口径弹的远距离翻滚效应的确会衰减很快，从杀伤性来说的确有问题。

M4A1是新手的不二之选，稳定性.后坐力.伤害均适中，前3枪相当准，总体来说是把中庸的枪。
AK47高手才能掌握，后坐力大，2枪过后就开始上飘，但威力大是1枪爆头的利器，压枪扫射也很不错。
————————我说的是CF:D

玩过战地才知道
爆头不是必须的

这个....其实中远距离射击基本都瞄躯干吧.....

其实，在阿富汗那种山地上的交战距离经常超出现代突击步枪的有效射程，二者半斤八两，都不行。
老爷枪也就在那种特定环境下还有点用而已。 至少霉菌的智商要比兰州高那么点，人家用改进的M14； 李恩菲尔德、M1加兰德您自个享用吧。
LS玩脑残CF、脑残AVA的请自重…

M4 适合300米以内的战斗，
300米以上让给M14吧。

400+米的射击，5.56x45和7.62x39的突击步枪都比较悲剧

这时我们需要M14/M21/M110/G3/HK417/FN FAL/SIG542………………总而言之我们需要7.62x51NATO弹…………

                            ————YY到high的铁血联盟2爱好者留

俺以为步枪万能的日子过去了，LZ又开始复古了。肉牛啊。

没有一种武器能适应所有的环境，就这么简单。

AFH山区多，双方交火距离比较远，所以5.56的M4用起来不够爽。

AK的精度能打到400米开外的东西吗？

回复 7# 小楼一夜戏阿扁


    开上坦克才是王道

228185 发表于 2010-6-9 16:50


    能

邪恶的芋头 发表于 2010-6-7 13:53

其实7楼那兄弟说得应该是battle field，不是AVA……

wangjqi 发表于 2010-6-9 19:44


   
有了飞机更王道{:wu:}

2里边那个直升机可以一个人操作导弹，爽歪歪

回复 18# lusiman


    那是火箭蛋吧

回复 18# lusiman

只会坐飞机后舱的飘过……2里面开飞机F15、Su34起飞就掉，直升机飞起来就侧翻……

回复 20# wangjqi


BF2,战机,直升机党飘过......

回复 21# raulluoster

飞机怎么开的，可否指点一二？

wangjqi 发表于 2010-6-9 23:13


    我还好一点，我是空降兵学校毕业的{:wu:}

要是M4比AK远射强,那狙击就不用7.62改用5.56了,另外口径不是大的肯定NB,要在一定的区间内......这是弹道学.

一牧月 发表于 2010-6-9 22:11
因为前面还有个CF  所以就一起批判一下

说良心话，我是真挺喜欢M4与AK的，两者都不错的，在我看来都比M16步枪要强的！只是AK射击时由于枪机太重枪口上跳，而M4 在这方面虽然好不少了，无奈那个M855真不是好弹的，导制了杀伤力很不够用的！

FN FAL------别的不知道的但是这枪的精度也就是相当于AK的吧！远距好一些而已罢了

228185 发表于 2010-6-9 16:50
不是一般的能。

M14是支好枪，但是在越南丛林里就不是。
M4是支好枪，但是在阿富汗山地就不是。

现在短兵相接的机会少之又少啊.

大唐刀客 发表于 2010-6-11 22:51

那我建议中国用AK加个瞄准镜当狙使得了。

    恩，可惜你的建议已经过时了。早有了

那我建议中国用AK加个瞄准镜当狙使得了。
228185 发表于 2010-6-12 15:43

    恩，可惜你的建议已经过时了。早有了

MD抠。以前这个距离是炮兵火力的活了，但现在觉得对付班班召唤炮兵太烧钱。所以让步兵自己解决，加上M4还是很多库存，无论是枪还是弹，正好消费掉。

反过来也就是说，班班的火力太差。

1法自然 发表于 2010-6-11 17:53


    唬谁呢？

无语

There's an ever present, unending debate over which is best, ARs or AKs, raging across the internet and in gun shops every day sending bile and bitter insults spewing both ways. This debate has turned fathers against sons, best friends against one another, and........well you get the point. The author is of the opinion that there are of course pros and cons to each family of rifle, and I refuse to engage in what is "best". As one who loves them all, especially the AK and AR series, I thought I'd pass on some of the knowledge I have gained over the years concerning these wildly different weapons. As a bonus, I'll toss in my knowledge of another favorite family of weapons at the Bunker, just because they are very popular these days and I often ramble about them. So, here, for the aid of those hammering one another in the debate, is some unbiased, non-slanted, untainted raw knowledge about the AK, the AR, and the Mosin Nagant.
有一个一直存在，永无休止的关于AK系列和AR系列哪个更好的争论，从互联网上到枪械商店中每天都有人为这个问题互相发泄怒气或酸溜溜地挖苦对方。这个问题使父子成仇，好友反目……行，你抓住要点了。作者的观点是每个枪族无疑都有优点和缺点，并且我拒绝指出哪个是“最好的”。作为一个爱着所有枪械，尤其是AK系列和AR系列的人，我想我最好传授一些这些年来我从研究这些完全不同的武器中所汲取的知识。作为奖励，我会扔进一些我关于另一种碉堡中最受喜爱的枪族的知识，仅仅是因为它们这些天非常流行且我经常浏览它们。所以，在这儿的，是为了给在辩论中互相捶打的人们以参考的，一些不偏不倚的、平衡的、未经污蔑的关于AK、AR与莫辛纳甘的知识。

Stuff you know if you have an AK
如果你有一支AK步枪，你应知道：
Stuff you know if you have an AR
如果你有一支AR步枪，你应知道：
Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant
如果你有一支莫辛纳甘步枪，你应知道：

It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
-即使你从不保养它，它也能工作。你永远不用保养。
You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
-你要用每盎司9美元的特制无洗涤剂特氟龙合成润滑油保养它。
It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
-它上一次保养是在1945年的柏林。

You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
-你能在谷仓里面击中其侧壁。
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
-你能在离谷仓600米处击中其侧壁。
You can hit the farm from two counties over.
-你能在两个村子开外的地方击中农场。

Cheap mags are fun to buy.
-买便宜的弹匣很有意思。
Cheap mags melt.
-便宜的弹匣会熔化。（囧……真的？讽刺铝弹匣不耐用？）
What's a mag?
-弹匣是什么？

Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
-你开保险的声音能在300米外被听到。
You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
-你能在手指搭在扳机上的情况下静悄悄地翻开保险。
What's a safety?
-保险是什么？

Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
-你的步枪上有条便宜的尼龙背带。
Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
-你的步枪上有套9点式匿迹战术悬挂系统。
You rifle has dog collars.
-你的步枪上有条狗链。

Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
-你的刺刀是把不错的剪线钳。
Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
-你的刺刀实际上是一把完美的牛排餐刀。
Your bayonet is longer than your leg.
-你的刺刀比你的腿还长。

You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it.
-你能在12英寸厚的橡木板上打出一个0.30英寸的洞，前提是你得打中。
You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
-你能在100米外把30发子弹打进纸靶子的同一个洞中。
You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
-你能用子弹在弹道上产生的冲击波震倒其他所有人的靶子。

When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
-当弹药耗尽时，你的步枪会成为名义上的棒子。
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
-当弹药耗尽时，你的步枪会成为很棒的维弗勒棒球棒（详见http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiffle_Ball）
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
-当弹药耗尽时，你的步枪会成为优秀的战棍、长矛、船桨、帐篷支柱或柴火。

Recoil is manageable, even fun.
-后坐力是可承受的，甚至是有趣的。
What's recoil?
-后坐力是什么？
Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
-后坐力常被用于将因上次射击而脱臼的肩膀复位。

Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.
-你的表尺调在“10”档上且你从不烦神去移动它。
Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
-你的表尺以角分为最小单位递增。
Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.
-你的表尺调在12哩处且你已经确实试射过了。

Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被任何两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵用于对抗菁英部队。（two-bit-nation不知何解，求教）
Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被菁英部队用于对抗两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵。
Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.
-你的步枪与它自己斗争且每次都赢了。

Your rifle won some revolutions.
-你的步枪赢得了一些革命。
Your rifle won the Cold War.
-你的步枪赢得了冷战。
Your rifle won a pole vault event.
-你的步枪赢得了撑杆跳比赛。

You paid $350.
-你花了350美元。
You paid $900.
-你花了900美元。
You paid $59.95.
-你花了59.95美元。（不过要买二战原品恐怕要上千啊）

You buy cheap ammo by the case.
-你成箱购买廉价弹药。
You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
-你深情地一发发地装填精密制造的弹药。
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
-你把你的弹药从乌克兰一个农民的田里挖出来而且它状态良好。

You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
-你可以装好刺刀后恫吓你的仇家。
You foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
-你的仇家在你上刺刀时大笑。
You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.
-你可以在不离开你的安乐窝的情况下用刺刀干掉在河对岸的你的仇家。

Service life, 50 years.
-保质期，50年。
Service life, 40 years.
-保质期，40年。
Service life, 100 years, and counting.
-保质期，100年，且延续。

It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
-更改子弹口径不如买把新枪容易。
You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
-更改子弹口径只需推出一对销钉再换上一个新的上机匣。
You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.
-你相信没有真正的男人敢冒被朋友嘲笑的风险提起除了7.62X54R子弹还有别的什么玩意儿。

You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
-你可以用一柄大锤和一记飞踢修好你的步枪。
You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty!
-你可以将你的步枪带到有认证的枪械技师那儿以维修它。它可是有保修的！
If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.
-如果你的步枪坏了，买把新的。（再来，要买二战原品恐怕要上千啊）

You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards burst into flames.
-你认为把护木打的着火是一项荣耀。
You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
-你认为打出一组5MOA下的射弹散布是一项荣耀。
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
-你认为在没有2X4瞄准镜的帮助下5发全中是一项荣耀。

After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".
-行军一整天后，你看《赤色黎明》来放松。
After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".
-行军一整天后，你看《黑鹰坠落》来放松。
After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.
-行军一整天后，你看脊椎指压治疗师来放松。

After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.
-保养完步枪后，你有来一大口伏特加的强烈冲动。
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie.
-保养完步枪后，你有来些热狗和苹果派的强烈冲动。（怎么感觉像保养M14后产生的……）
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.
-保养完步枪后，你有来些中东式烤肉串的强烈冲动。（详见http://mideastfood.about.com/od/ ... /whatisshiskkab.htm）

You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
-你可以给你的步枪加上新的制退器或漂亮的枪托。
Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
-你的附件比你的枪贵8倍。
Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
-你步枪的附件是个装着有趣液体的小白铁罐，但它被埋在布达佩斯某处一间公寓下。

Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
-你的枪表面涂有油光漆和涂料。
Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
-你的枪表面涂有特氟龙和高技术聚合物。
Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.
-你的枪表面涂有低级虫胶漆、防腐蚀剂和奥加尔的脚趾甲。（Olga，有Olga Kurylenko、Olga Sherer等等，不知文章所指。）

Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
-你的妻子忍耐着你装在相框里的米哈伊尔·卡拉什尼科夫的亲笔签名照。
Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
-你的妻子忍耐着你装在相框里的尤金·斯通纳的亲笔签名照。
You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.
-你不能确定那时有没有照相机能给谢尔盖·莫辛拍照。

Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着将你的步枪举过头顶并大喊“狼獾”的冲动。（出典见此图）
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着清理房屋并将派逐屋切片的冲动。（出典不知，求解）
Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着在院子里挖条战壕并睡在里面的冲动。

There you have it.   In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side.
行了，你该明白了。结果，对任何一个思想开明的探究者来说莫辛纳甘步枪才是所有时代最好的武器，但AR与AK系列步枪在逐项对比时平分秋色。
You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
-你认为打出一组5MOA下的射弹散布是一项荣耀。
应为1MOA以下的5发散布，5MOA是AR-15的耻辱啊
HLTVrocks ：
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
-你认为在没有2X4瞄准镜的帮助下5发全中是一项荣耀。

2x4是木料的形状， 很扁， 跟手掌差不多宽， 可以用来揍人等等。

这句话的意思大概是“在没有用棒子敲两下连续给5发子弹上膛”（其实就是说莫辛甘纳步枪上子弹很要手劲 你要能不借助工具连续上弹5发都是件值得炫耀的事！囧


Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
-你步枪的附件是个装着有趣液体的小白铁罐，但它被埋在布达佩斯某处一间公寓下

-你步枪的附件是个有个奇怪盖子的小锡罐，但它被埋在布达佩斯某处一间公寓下

Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被任何两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵用于对抗菁英部队。（two-bit-nation不知何解，求教）
Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被菁英部队用于对抗两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵。

two-bit是指以前美国的货币， two-bit就是12.5分钱x2 = 25分钱
现在就是说很便宜， 很贫穷或者没人在意的意思。

Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着清理房屋并将派逐屋切片的冲动。（出典不知，求解）

clear your house - 不是清理， 而是指room entry作战， 搜索敌人， 违禁品和陷阱等潜在威胁。
slice the pie: CQC作战的术语， 一种避免让拐角处隐藏的敌人先发现自己的手段（呵呵 你拿着AR总想着在自己的屋子里玩CQC）

olga's toenails, 没什么意思， olga就是斯拉夫女人的代表性的名字而已， 作者在那无里头 EDIT: 就好像在说Muhammad's turban一样（可参考前苏联影片“这里的黎明静悄悄）

There's an ever present, unending debate over which is best, ARs or AKs, raging across the internet and in gun shops every day sending bile and bitter insults spewing both ways. This debate has turned fathers against sons, best friends against one another, and........well you get the point. The author is of the opinion that there are of course pros and cons to each family of rifle, and I refuse to engage in what is "best". As one who loves them all, especially the AK and AR series, I thought I'd pass on some of the knowledge I have gained over the years concerning these wildly different weapons. As a bonus, I'll toss in my knowledge of another favorite family of weapons at the Bunker, just because they are very popular these days and I often ramble about them. So, here, for the aid of those hammering one another in the debate, is some unbiased, non-slanted, untainted raw knowledge about the AK, the AR, and the Mosin Nagant.
有一个一直存在，永无休止的关于AK系列和AR系列哪个更好的争论，从互联网上到枪械商店中每天都有人为这个问题互相发泄怒气或酸溜溜地挖苦对方。这个问题使父子成仇，好友反目……行，你抓住要点了。作者的观点是每个枪族无疑都有优点和缺点，并且我拒绝指出哪个是“最好的”。作为一个爱着所有枪械，尤其是AK系列和AR系列的人，我想我最好传授一些这些年来我从研究这些完全不同的武器中所汲取的知识。作为奖励，我会扔进一些我关于另一种碉堡中最受喜爱的枪族的知识，仅仅是因为它们这些天非常流行且我经常浏览它们。所以，在这儿的，是为了给在辩论中互相捶打的人们以参考的，一些不偏不倚的、平衡的、未经污蔑的关于AK、AR与莫辛纳甘的知识。

Stuff you know if you have an AK
如果你有一支AK步枪，你应知道：
Stuff you know if you have an AR
如果你有一支AR步枪，你应知道：
Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant
如果你有一支莫辛纳甘步枪，你应知道：

It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
-即使你从不保养它，它也能工作。你永远不用保养。
You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
-你要用每盎司9美元的特制无洗涤剂特氟龙合成润滑油保养它。
It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
-它上一次保养是在1945年的柏林。

You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
-你能在谷仓里面击中其侧壁。
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
-你能在离谷仓600米处击中其侧壁。
You can hit the farm from two counties over.
-你能在两个村子开外的地方击中农场。

Cheap mags are fun to buy.
-买便宜的弹匣很有意思。
Cheap mags melt.
-便宜的弹匣会熔化。（囧……真的？讽刺铝弹匣不耐用？）
What's a mag?
-弹匣是什么？

Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
-你开保险的声音能在300米外被听到。
You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
-你能在手指搭在扳机上的情况下静悄悄地翻开保险。
What's a safety?
-保险是什么？

Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
-你的步枪上有条便宜的尼龙背带。
Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
-你的步枪上有套9点式匿迹战术悬挂系统。
You rifle has dog collars.
-你的步枪上有条狗链。

Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
-你的刺刀是把不错的剪线钳。
Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
-你的刺刀实际上是一把完美的牛排餐刀。
Your bayonet is longer than your leg.
-你的刺刀比你的腿还长。

You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it.
-你能在12英寸厚的橡木板上打出一个0.30英寸的洞，前提是你得打中。
You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
-你能在100米外把30发子弹打进纸靶子的同一个洞中。
You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
-你能用子弹在弹道上产生的冲击波震倒其他所有人的靶子。

When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
-当弹药耗尽时，你的步枪会成为名义上的棒子。
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
-当弹药耗尽时，你的步枪会成为很棒的维弗勒棒球棒（详见http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiffle_Ball）
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
-当弹药耗尽时，你的步枪会成为优秀的战棍、长矛、船桨、帐篷支柱或柴火。

Recoil is manageable, even fun.
-后坐力是可承受的，甚至是有趣的。
What's recoil?
-后坐力是什么？
Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
-后坐力常被用于将因上次射击而脱臼的肩膀复位。

Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.
-你的表尺调在“10”档上且你从不烦神去移动它。
Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
-你的表尺以角分为最小单位递增。
Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.
-你的表尺调在12哩处且你已经确实试射过了。

Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被任何两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵用于对抗菁英部队。（two-bit-nation不知何解，求教）
Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被菁英部队用于对抗两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵。
Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.
-你的步枪与它自己斗争且每次都赢了。

Your rifle won some revolutions.
-你的步枪赢得了一些革命。
Your rifle won the Cold War.
-你的步枪赢得了冷战。
Your rifle won a pole vault event.
-你的步枪赢得了撑杆跳比赛。

You paid $350.
-你花了350美元。
You paid $900.
-你花了900美元。
You paid $59.95.
-你花了59.95美元。（不过要买二战原品恐怕要上千啊）

You buy cheap ammo by the case.
-你成箱购买廉价弹药。
You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
-你深情地一发发地装填精密制造的弹药。
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
-你把你的弹药从乌克兰一个农民的田里挖出来而且它状态良好。

You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
-你可以装好刺刀后恫吓你的仇家。
You foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
-你的仇家在你上刺刀时大笑。
You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.
-你可以在不离开你的安乐窝的情况下用刺刀干掉在河对岸的你的仇家。

Service life, 50 years.
-保质期，50年。
Service life, 40 years.
-保质期，40年。
Service life, 100 years, and counting.
-保质期，100年，且延续。

It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
-更改子弹口径不如买把新枪容易。
You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
-更改子弹口径只需推出一对销钉再换上一个新的上机匣。
You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.
-你相信没有真正的男人敢冒被朋友嘲笑的风险提起除了7.62X54R子弹还有别的什么玩意儿。

You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
-你可以用一柄大锤和一记飞踢修好你的步枪。
You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty!
-你可以将你的步枪带到有认证的枪械技师那儿以维修它。它可是有保修的！
If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.
-如果你的步枪坏了，买把新的。（再来，要买二战原品恐怕要上千啊）

You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards burst into flames.
-你认为把护木打的着火是一项荣耀。
You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
-你认为打出一组5MOA下的射弹散布是一项荣耀。
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
-你认为在没有2X4瞄准镜的帮助下5发全中是一项荣耀。

After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".
-行军一整天后，你看《赤色黎明》来放松。
After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".
-行军一整天后，你看《黑鹰坠落》来放松。
After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.
-行军一整天后，你看脊椎指压治疗师来放松。

After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.
-保养完步枪后，你有来一大口伏特加的强烈冲动。
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie.
-保养完步枪后，你有来些热狗和苹果派的强烈冲动。（怎么感觉像保养M14后产生的……）
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.
-保养完步枪后，你有来些中东式烤肉串的强烈冲动。（详见http://mideastfood.about.com/od/ ... /whatisshiskkab.htm）

You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
-你可以给你的步枪加上新的制退器或漂亮的枪托。
Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
-你的附件比你的枪贵8倍。
Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
-你步枪的附件是个装着有趣液体的小白铁罐，但它被埋在布达佩斯某处一间公寓下。

Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
-你的枪表面涂有油光漆和涂料。
Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
-你的枪表面涂有特氟龙和高技术聚合物。
Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.
-你的枪表面涂有低级虫胶漆、防腐蚀剂和奥加尔的脚趾甲。（Olga，有Olga Kurylenko、Olga Sherer等等，不知文章所指。）

Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
-你的妻子忍耐着你装在相框里的米哈伊尔·卡拉什尼科夫的亲笔签名照。
Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
-你的妻子忍耐着你装在相框里的尤金·斯通纳的亲笔签名照。
You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.
-你不能确定那时有没有照相机能给谢尔盖·莫辛拍照。

Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着将你的步枪举过头顶并大喊“狼獾”的冲动。（出典见此图）
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着清理房屋并将派逐屋切片的冲动。（出典不知，求解）
Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着在院子里挖条战壕并睡在里面的冲动。

There you have it.   In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side.
行了，你该明白了。结果，对任何一个思想开明的探究者来说莫辛纳甘步枪才是所有时代最好的武器，但AR与AK系列步枪在逐项对比时平分秋色。
You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
-你认为打出一组5MOA下的射弹散布是一项荣耀。
应为1MOA以下的5发散布，5MOA是AR-15的耻辱啊
HLTVrocks ：
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
-你认为在没有2X4瞄准镜的帮助下5发全中是一项荣耀。

2x4是木料的形状， 很扁， 跟手掌差不多宽， 可以用来揍人等等。

这句话的意思大概是“在没有用棒子敲两下连续给5发子弹上膛”（其实就是说莫辛甘纳步枪上子弹很要手劲 你要能不借助工具连续上弹5发都是件值得炫耀的事！囧


Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
-你步枪的附件是个装着有趣液体的小白铁罐，但它被埋在布达佩斯某处一间公寓下

-你步枪的附件是个有个奇怪盖子的小锡罐，但它被埋在布达佩斯某处一间公寓下

Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被任何两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵用于对抗菁英部队。（two-bit-nation不知何解，求教）
Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被菁英部队用于对抗两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵。

two-bit是指以前美国的货币， two-bit就是12.5分钱x2 = 25分钱
现在就是说很便宜， 很贫穷或者没人在意的意思。

Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着清理房屋并将派逐屋切片的冲动。（出典不知，求解）

clear your house - 不是清理， 而是指room entry作战， 搜索敌人， 违禁品和陷阱等潜在威胁。
slice the pie: CQC作战的术语， 一种避免让拐角处隐藏的敌人先发现自己的手段（呵呵 你拿着AR总想着在自己的屋子里玩CQC）

olga's toenails, 没什么意思， olga就是斯拉夫女人的代表性的名字而已， 作者在那无里头 EDIT: 就好像在说Muhammad's turban一样（可参考前苏联影片“这里的黎明静悄悄）

There's an ever present, unending debate over which is best, ARs or AKs, raging across the internet and in gun shops every day sending bile and bitter insults spewing both ways. This debate has turned fathers against sons, best friends against one another, and........well you get the point. The author is of the opinion that there are of course pros and cons to each family of rifle, and I refuse to engage in what is "best". As one who loves them all, especially the AK and AR series, I thought I'd pass on some of the knowledge I have gained over the years concerning these wildly different weapons. As a bonus, I'll toss in my knowledge of another favorite family of weapons at the Bunker, just because they are very popular these days and I often ramble about them. So, here, for the aid of those hammering one another in the debate, is some unbiased, non-slanted, untainted raw knowledge about the AK, the AR, and the Mosin Nagant.
有一个一直存在，永无休止的关于AK系列和AR系列哪个更好的争论，从互联网上到枪械商店中每天都有人为这个问题互相发泄怒气或酸溜溜地挖苦对方。这个问题使父子成仇，好友反目……行，你抓住要点了。作者的观点是每个枪族无疑都有优点和缺点，并且我拒绝指出哪个是“最好的”。作为一个爱着所有枪械，尤其是AK系列和AR系列的人，我想我最好传授一些这些年来我从研究这些完全不同的武器中所汲取的知识。作为奖励，我会扔进一些我关于另一种碉堡中最受喜爱的枪族的知识，仅仅是因为它们这些天非常流行且我经常浏览它们。所以，在这儿的，是为了给在辩论中互相捶打的人们以参考的，一些不偏不倚的、平衡的、未经污蔑的关于AK、AR与莫辛纳甘的知识。

Stuff you know if you have an AK
如果你有一支AK步枪，你应知道：
Stuff you know if you have an AR
如果你有一支AR步枪，你应知道：
Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant
如果你有一支莫辛纳甘步枪，你应知道：

It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
-即使你从不保养它，它也能工作。你永远不用保养。
You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
-你要用每盎司9美元的特制无洗涤剂特氟龙合成润滑油保养它。
It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
-它上一次保养是在1945年的柏林。

You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
-你能在谷仓里面击中其侧壁。
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
-你能在离谷仓600米处击中其侧壁。
You can hit the farm from two counties over.
-你能在两个村子开外的地方击中农场。

Cheap mags are fun to buy.
-买便宜的弹匣很有意思。
Cheap mags melt.
-便宜的弹匣会熔化。（囧……真的？讽刺铝弹匣不耐用？）
What's a mag?
-弹匣是什么？

Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
-你开保险的声音能在300米外被听到。
You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
-你能在手指搭在扳机上的情况下静悄悄地翻开保险。
What's a safety?
-保险是什么？

Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
-你的步枪上有条便宜的尼龙背带。
Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
-你的步枪上有套9点式匿迹战术悬挂系统。
You rifle has dog collars.
-你的步枪上有条狗链。

Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
-你的刺刀是把不错的剪线钳。
Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
-你的刺刀实际上是一把完美的牛排餐刀。
Your bayonet is longer than your leg.
-你的刺刀比你的腿还长。

You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it.
-你能在12英寸厚的橡木板上打出一个0.30英寸的洞，前提是你得打中。
You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
-你能在100米外把30发子弹打进纸靶子的同一个洞中。
You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
-你能用子弹在弹道上产生的冲击波震倒其他所有人的靶子。

When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
-当弹药耗尽时，你的步枪会成为名义上的棒子。
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
-当弹药耗尽时，你的步枪会成为很棒的维弗勒棒球棒
When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
-当弹药耗尽时，你的步枪会成为优秀的战棍、长矛、船桨、帐篷支柱或柴火。

Recoil is manageable, even fun.
-后坐力是可承受的，甚至是有趣的。
What's recoil?
-后坐力是什么？
Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
-后坐力常被用于将因上次射击而脱臼的肩膀复位。

Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.
-你的表尺调在“10”档上且你从不烦神去移动它。
Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
-你的表尺以角分为最小单位递增。
Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.
-你的表尺调在12哩处且你已经确实试射过了。

Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被任何两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵用于对抗菁英部队。（two-bit-nation不知何解，求教）
Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被菁英部队用于对抗两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵。
Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.
-你的步枪与它自己斗争且每次都赢了。

Your rifle won some revolutions.
-你的步枪赢得了一些革命。
Your rifle won the Cold War.
-你的步枪赢得了冷战。
Your rifle won a pole vault event.
-你的步枪赢得了撑杆跳比赛。

You paid $350.
-你花了350美元。
You paid $900.
-你花了900美元。
You paid $59.95.
-你花了59.95美元。（不过要买二战原品恐怕要上千啊）

You buy cheap ammo by the case.
-你成箱购买廉价弹药。
You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
-你深情地一发发地装填精密制造的弹药。
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
-你把你的弹药从乌克兰一个农民的田里挖出来而且它状态良好。

You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
-你可以装好刺刀后恫吓你的仇家。
You foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
-你的仇家在你上刺刀时大笑。
You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.
-你可以在不离开你的安乐窝的情况下用刺刀干掉在河对岸的你的仇家。

Service life, 50 years.
-保质期，50年。
Service life, 40 years.
-保质期，40年。
Service life, 100 years, and counting.
-保质期，100年，且延续。

It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
-更改子弹口径不如买把新枪容易。
You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
-更改子弹口径只需推出一对销钉再换上一个新的上机匣。
You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.
-你相信没有真正的男人敢冒被朋友嘲笑的风险提起除了7.62X54R子弹还有别的什么玩意儿。

You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
-你可以用一柄大锤和一记飞踢修好你的步枪。
You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty!
-你可以将你的步枪带到有认证的枪械技师那儿以维修它。它可是有保修的！
If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.
-如果你的步枪坏了，买把新的。（再来，要买二战原品恐怕要上千啊）

You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards burst into flames.
-你认为把护木打的着火是一项荣耀。
You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
-你认为打出一组5MOA下的射弹散布是一项荣耀。
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
-你认为在没有2X4瞄准镜的帮助下5发全中是一项荣耀。

After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".
-行军一整天后，你看《赤色黎明》来放松。
After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".
-行军一整天后，你看《黑鹰坠落》来放松。
After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.
-行军一整天后，你看脊椎指压治疗师来放松。

After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.
-保养完步枪后，你有来一大口伏特加的强烈冲动。
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie.
-保养完步枪后，你有来些热狗和苹果派的强烈冲动。（怎么感觉像保养M14后产生的……）
After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.
-保养完步枪后，你有来些中东式烤肉串的强烈冲动。（

You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
-你可以给你的步枪加上新的制退器或漂亮的枪托。
Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
-你的附件比你的枪贵8倍。
Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
-你步枪的附件是个装着有趣液体的小白铁罐，但它被埋在布达佩斯某处一间公寓下。

Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
-你的枪表面涂有油光漆和涂料。
Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
-你的枪表面涂有特氟龙和高技术聚合物。
Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.
-你的枪表面涂有低级虫胶漆、防腐蚀剂和奥加尔的脚趾甲。（Olga，有Olga Kurylenko、Olga Sherer等等，不知文章所指。）

Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
-你的妻子忍耐着你装在相框里的米哈伊尔·卡拉什尼科夫的亲笔签名照。
Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
-你的妻子忍耐着你装在相框里的尤金·斯通纳的亲笔签名照。
You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.
-你不能确定那时有没有照相机能给谢尔盖·莫辛拍照。

Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着将你的步枪举过头顶并大喊“狼獾”的冲动
Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着清理房屋并将派逐屋切片的冲动。（出典不知，求解）
Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the the yard to sleep in.
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着在院子里挖条战壕并睡在里面的冲动。

There you have it.   In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side.
行了，你该明白了。结果，对任何一个思想开明的探究者来说莫辛纳甘步枪才是所有时代最好的武器，但AR与AK系列步枪在逐项对比时平分秋色。
You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
-你认为打出一组5MOA下的射弹散布是一项荣耀。
应为1MOA以下的5发散布，5MOA是AR-15的耻辱啊
HLTVrocks ：
You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.
-你认为在没有2X4瞄准镜的帮助下5发全中是一项荣耀。

2x4是木料的形状， 很扁， 跟手掌差不多宽， 可以用来揍人等等。

这句话的意思大概是“在没有用棒子敲两下连续给5发子弹上膛”（其实就是说莫辛甘纳步枪上子弹很要手劲 你要能不借助工具连续上弹5发都是件值得炫耀的事！囧


Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.
-你步枪的附件是个装着有趣液体的小白铁罐，但它被埋在布达佩斯某处一间公寓下

-你步枪的附件是个有个奇怪盖子的小锡罐，但它被埋在布达佩斯某处一间公寓下

Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被任何两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵用于对抗菁英部队。（two-bit-nation不知何解，求教）
Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
-你的步枪在世界范围内被菁英部队用于对抗两位数GDP国家的极度文盲应征兵。

two-bit是指以前美国的货币， two-bit就是12.5分钱x2 = 25分钱
现在就是说很便宜， 很贫穷或者没人在意的意思。

Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
-在深夜中你有时必须忍着清理房屋并将派逐屋切片的冲动。（出典不知，求解）

clear your house - 不是清理， 而是指room entry作战， 搜索敌人， 违禁品和陷阱等潜在威胁。
slice the pie: CQC作战的术语， 一种避免让拐角处隐藏的敌人先发现自己的手段（呵呵 你拿着AR总想着在自己的屋子里玩CQC）

olga's toenails, 没什么意思， olga就是斯拉夫女人的代表性的名字而已， 作者在那无里头 EDIT: 就好像在说Muhammad's turban一样（可参考前苏联影片“这里的黎明静悄悄）