超级军网看看小巴们讨论引进J11
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垂尾不一样。与远处的
要J11干嘛啊，到新德里巡逻吗？
cinbeho 发表于 2010-5-17 08:41 
当然不一样，近处的是苏-30MKK。
当然不一样，近处的是苏-30MKK。
cinbeho 发表于 2010-5-17 08:41
27与30
27与30
那是绝对不可能的！希望巴铁的网友们能够理解。
出口11毛子得疯了！
远处的是UBK吗？
cinbeho 发表于 2010-5-17 08:41
就国内而言，垂尾上端直的就是30了。
就国内而言，垂尾上端直的就是30了。
毛子不让，当初签过协议的，不能转口。
15、16-19应该可以出口了吧。
16? 19?哪个DD说下?
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国产27是不能出口的.....
看起来很漂亮，丝带越来越丑啊
歼十一tg现在还不敢卖的
那是不可能的
为什么不能卖 J11B不是已经完全自主知识产权了吗
{:qiliang:}26个字母一个都没认错！进步了。
召喚野生翻譯...
花蹦蹦 发表于 2010-5-17 11:16
知识产权在毛子手里
知识产权在毛子手里
其中有27UBK?
30的垂尾是平的啊
谷歌的广告太邪恶了。另外这帖子是2008年的
谷歌的广告太邪恶了。另外这帖子是2008年的
我给楼主补原帖：
05-30-2008, 05:13 PM #14 (permalink)
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J-11 is Chinese Su-27 built under license from Russia/Sukhoi. J-11'B' on the other hand is free of Russian license. China terminated the license and started building its own Su-27 version (dubbed J-11B) couple of years back.
This is the same story as with the F-6 in 1960s. First built under licensed and than without license and sold to PAF in 1965. Same could be said for F-7 but only difference is that there never was any license for MiG-21 for China nor any ToT. China built its own version by itself.
Sukhois can be purchased from Russia directly but there will always be uncertainty - & you can guess the reasons.
As for the whole J-11B for PAF, it appears mere speculation. Lets wait and watch. Meanwhile I am onto confirming it from more reliable sources.
Very true. The J-11B is free from Russian license; in other words, J-11B is a Chinese pirated copy of Su-27. The Russians are furious with the Chinese over their manufacturing of the J-11B, let alone export to other countries.
Plus, I think Russo-Sino defence cooperation will be hit big time (if PAF gets the J-11); in other words, PRC's sole source for modern weaponry goes kaput.
Further, does the PAF want/need/afford this plane (bearing in mind its resources)? I think Murad Sir would be able to answer that question better.
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Originally Posted by SABRE
J-11 is Chinese Su-27 built under license from Russia/Sukhoi. J-11'B' on the other hand is free of Russian license. China terminated the license and started building its own Su-27 version (dubbed J-11B) couple of years back.
This is the same story as with the F-6 in 1960s. First built under licensed and than without license and sold to PAF in 1965. Same could be said for F-7 but only difference is that there never was any license for MiG-21 for China nor any ToT. China built its own version by itself.
Sukhois can be purchased from Russia directly but there will always be uncertainty - & you can guess the reasons.
As for the whole J-11B for PAF, it appears mere speculation. Lets wait and watch. Meanwhile I am onto confirming it from more reliable sources.
Very true. The J-11B is free from Russian license; in other words, J-11B is a Chinese pirated copy of Su-27. The Russians are furious with the Chinese over their manufacturing of the J-11B, let alone export to other countries.
Plus, I think Russo-Sino defence cooperation will be hit big time (if PAF gets the J-11); in other words, PRC's sole source for modern weaponry goes kaput.
Further, does the PAF want/need/afford this plane (bearing in mind its resources)? I think Murad Sir would be able to answer that question better.
27是不能出口的.....
毛子急了
可以把10的价格翻几番，然后买一送一。
抄来的东西还是别出口了吧
laomin 发表于 2010-5-17 12:47
J6,J7....
J6,J7....
11B出口是没问题的，毕竟几乎是全新种类的飞机了，但是作为我们空军最强有力的装备，我们可能出口么？你让美国出口F22看他干不干？
The J-11B is free from Russian license; in other words, J-11B is a Chinese pirated copy of Su-27
发动机呢？难不成太行也一起出口。
simon_lx 发表于 2010-5-17 13:24
NND用中文行不？不知道现在国家反对在媒体中使用英文和英文简称？（这句是玩笑话）:D
在你的概念里11B是27的克隆版？能告诉我11B和27除了气动布局类似（只是类似不是相同）外还有什么交集么？;P
NND用中文行不？不知道现在国家反对在媒体中使用英文和英文简称？（这句是玩笑话）:D
在你的概念里11B是27的克隆版？能告诉我11B和27除了气动布局类似（只是类似不是相同）外还有什么交集么？;P
好多人说11B与27只是外形相同，不是抄袭，小白我不明白，气动和基本结构设计全一样，怎么不算抄袭？
好在没有人说是直接反向工程做出来，是不是这个术语？
27和11都不能送外卖，要和巴铁说SORRY了
原来30的水平尾翼也是可以动的呀～{:3_76:}