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三哥彪悍的LCA又要逾期了:“LCA光辉战斗机项目将绵延逾35载耗资逾

1300亿卢比(26亿美元)”

彪悍的身世不需要解释,永恒经典自然被人传唱。三哥的LCA,势必成为人类飞机

发展史上的一个永远的传说.......

LCA光辉战斗机项目将绵延逾35载耗资逾1300亿卢比(26亿美元)”
Tejas LCA project to cost more than Rs 13,000 crore over 35 years
TNN, Apr 16, 2010, 01.49am IST

新德里:LCA光辉战斗机的全部研发成本已经悄然攀越了1300亿卢比(约26亿美元

)大关,因为政府已经同意将该战斗机的“全面工程研发”展期至2018年12月31

日。

NEW DELHI: The overall developmental cost of Tejas Light Combat

Aircraft has quietly zoomed past the Rs 13,000-crore mark, with the

government sanctioning the extension of the fighter's "full-scale

engineering development'' (FSED) till December 31, 2018.

这实际上意味着从1983年立项算起光辉战斗机的传说将绵延35载。而该项目立项

批准时的预算仅仅为56亿卢比,目标为替代老化的MG21战斗机.
This, in effect, means the Tejas developmental saga will now stretch

across 35 years, sanctioned as the project was way back in 1983 at a

cost of Rs 560 crore to replace the ageing MiG-21s.

在项目研发的靡耗国帑耗费时日方面,LCA事实上与阿穷主战坦克不相上下难

分雌雄,互为伯仲堪称双璧。阿穷坦克项目早在36年前就立项了。
Tejas, in fact, can now give the Arjun main-battle tank a run for its

money
in terms of years taken for full development. The tank project, after

all, was first approved 36 years ago.
当然,虽然lca70%的软硬件依然依赖进口,但它对于国防生产的国产化依然至关

重要。然而情况可能本不该是这样子的。
It is, of course, critical for India to boost indigenous defence

production, importing as it still does 70% of its military hardware and

software, but this probably is not the way.

“在LCA项目批准27年之后,情况非常之糟糕,依然看不到黎明的亮光。”国会防

务常务委员会最近的一份报告如是说道。该报告于周四提交议会。
"This is a very sorry state of affairs. Even after 27 years since LCA

was sanctioned, it is yet to see light of the day,'' says the latest

report of the parliamentary standing committee on defence, tabled in

Parliament on Thursday.


印度斯坦航空公司、航空发展署与DRDO(印度国防研发组织,印度最大的国防工业

研发机构)辩解道在多年国际封锁下从零开始研发一种超音速电传操控的四代战

斗机的复杂与艰巨超乎人们想象。
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, Aeronautical Development Agency and DRDO

argue developing a supersonic fly-by-wire fourth-generation fighter

from scratch, with international sanctions in place for several years,

is an incredibly complex and tough task.

毕竟,该项目包括空军单座,教练机双座与海军三个变型。光辉原型机已经飞行

了1350次,空军版本将于2012年底“完全可用”。
The project, after all, includes single-seater IAF, twin-seater trainer

and naval LCA variants. With Tejas prototypes clocking 1,350 flights

till now, the "final operational clearance'' for the IAF variant is now

slated for December 2012.


某个官员说道:“印度空军本该于2014-15年拥有第一个有20架飞机组成的LCA

中队。而瑞典的鹰狮战斗机的研发成本也仅仅为1264亿卢比”
"So, IAF should have its first Tejas squadron of 20 fighters by 2014-

15. Even Swedish Gripen fighter's developmental cost was around Rs

12,640 crore,'' said an official.

然而,由于印度国产的Kavery发动机在耗资283.9亿卢比(约5.7亿美元)后依然

不符合要求,印度现在正在寻找外国发动机作为LCA2的动力。
India, however, is now going in for foreign engines to power even the

Tejas Mark-II version after the indigenous Kaveri engine failed to pass

muster after 20 years of development at a cost of Rs 2,839 crore.

因此,在第一个光辉战斗机中队的20架LCA拟采用美国GE404发动机之时,

印度正为接下来的6个光辉战斗机中队(每个16-18架LCA)寻找更加强劲的发

动机。
Consequently, while the first 20 Tejas will be powered by the American

GE-404 engines, the hunt is on for new more powerful engines for the

next six Tejas Mark-II squadrons (16-18 jets in each).

The Rs 13,000-crore mark for the LCA project is breached even if the

Kaveri fiasco is kept aside. For one, the FSED Phase-I, which finished

in March 2004, cost Rs 2,188 crore.

The Phase-II, which was to be completed by December 2008 at a cost of

Rs 3,301 crore, will now get over in December 2012, with additional

funds of Rs 2,475 crore.

Moreover, in November last year, the government "accorded'' sanction

for "continuing FSED of LCA till December 2018, with an estimated

additional cost of Rs 5,302 crore''.

Amid all this, IAF is keeping its fingers crossed, grappling as it is

with a free-fall in the number of its fighter squadrons, down to just

32 from a sanctioned strength of 39.5.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... CA-project-to-cost-

more-than-Rs-13000-crore-over-35-years/articleshow/5813290.cms
三哥彪悍的LCA又要逾期了:“LCA光辉战斗机项目将绵延逾35载耗资逾

1300亿卢比(26亿美元)”

彪悍的身世不需要解释,永恒经典自然被人传唱。三哥的LCA,势必成为人类飞机

发展史上的一个永远的传说.......

LCA光辉战斗机项目将绵延逾35载耗资逾1300亿卢比(26亿美元)”
Tejas LCA project to cost more than Rs 13,000 crore over 35 years
TNN, Apr 16, 2010, 01.49am IST

新德里:LCA光辉战斗机的全部研发成本已经悄然攀越了1300亿卢比(约26亿美元

)大关,因为政府已经同意将该战斗机的“全面工程研发”展期至2018年12月31

日。

NEW DELHI: The overall developmental cost of Tejas Light Combat

Aircraft has quietly zoomed past the Rs 13,000-crore mark, with the

government sanctioning the extension of the fighter's "full-scale

engineering development'' (FSED) till December 31, 2018.

这实际上意味着从1983年立项算起光辉战斗机的传说将绵延35载。而该项目立项

批准时的预算仅仅为56亿卢比,目标为替代老化的MG21战斗机.
This, in effect, means the Tejas developmental saga will now stretch

across 35 years, sanctioned as the project was way back in 1983 at a

cost of Rs 560 crore to replace the ageing MiG-21s.

在项目研发的靡耗国帑耗费时日方面,LCA事实上与阿穷主战坦克不相上下难

分雌雄,互为伯仲堪称双璧。阿穷坦克项目早在36年前就立项了。
Tejas, in fact, can now give the Arjun main-battle tank a run for its

money
in terms of years taken for full development. The tank project, after

all, was first approved 36 years ago.
当然,虽然lca70%的软硬件依然依赖进口,但它对于国防生产的国产化依然至关

重要。然而情况可能本不该是这样子的。
It is, of course, critical for India to boost indigenous defence

production, importing as it still does 70% of its military hardware and

software, but this probably is not the way.

“在LCA项目批准27年之后,情况非常之糟糕,依然看不到黎明的亮光。”国会防

务常务委员会最近的一份报告如是说道。该报告于周四提交议会。
"This is a very sorry state of affairs. Even after 27 years since LCA

was sanctioned, it is yet to see light of the day,'' says the latest

report of the parliamentary standing committee on defence, tabled in

Parliament on Thursday.


印度斯坦航空公司、航空发展署与DRDO(印度国防研发组织,印度最大的国防工业

研发机构)辩解道在多年国际封锁下从零开始研发一种超音速电传操控的四代战

斗机的复杂与艰巨超乎人们想象。
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, Aeronautical Development Agency and DRDO

argue developing a supersonic fly-by-wire fourth-generation fighter

from scratch, with international sanctions in place for several years,

is an incredibly complex and tough task.

毕竟,该项目包括空军单座,教练机双座与海军三个变型。光辉原型机已经飞行

了1350次,空军版本将于2012年底“完全可用”。
The project, after all, includes single-seater IAF, twin-seater trainer

and naval LCA variants. With Tejas prototypes clocking 1,350 flights

till now, the "final operational clearance'' for the IAF variant is now

slated for December 2012.


某个官员说道:“印度空军本该于2014-15年拥有第一个有20架飞机组成的LCA

中队。而瑞典的鹰狮战斗机的研发成本也仅仅为1264亿卢比”
"So, IAF should have its first Tejas squadron of 20 fighters by 2014-

15. Even Swedish Gripen fighter's developmental cost was around Rs

12,640 crore,'' said an official.

然而,由于印度国产的Kavery发动机在耗资283.9亿卢比(约5.7亿美元)后依然

不符合要求,印度现在正在寻找外国发动机作为LCA2的动力。
India, however, is now going in for foreign engines to power even the

Tejas Mark-II version after the indigenous Kaveri engine failed to pass

muster after 20 years of development at a cost of Rs 2,839 crore.

因此,在第一个光辉战斗机中队的20架LCA拟采用美国GE404发动机之时,

印度正为接下来的6个光辉战斗机中队(每个16-18架LCA)寻找更加强劲的发

动机。
Consequently, while the first 20 Tejas will be powered by the American

GE-404 engines, the hunt is on for new more powerful engines for the

next six Tejas Mark-II squadrons (16-18 jets in each).

The Rs 13,000-crore mark for the LCA project is breached even if the

Kaveri fiasco is kept aside. For one, the FSED Phase-I, which finished

in March 2004, cost Rs 2,188 crore.

The Phase-II, which was to be completed by December 2008 at a cost of

Rs 3,301 crore, will now get over in December 2012, with additional

funds of Rs 2,475 crore.

Moreover, in November last year, the government "accorded'' sanction

for "continuing FSED of LCA till December 2018, with an estimated

additional cost of Rs 5,302 crore''.

Amid all this, IAF is keeping its fingers crossed, grappling as it is

with a free-fall in the number of its fighter squadrons, down to just

32 from a sanctioned strength of 39.5.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... CA-project-to-cost-

more-than-Rs-13000-crore-over-35-years/articleshow/5813290.cms
骑虎难下。
等到F22的下一代出来LCA就自然而然的成为6代了
何必呢,买了超级虫不就完事了么?
LCA不会被砍,毕竟是印度军工国产化的一个里程碑,可惜大部分零件还是进口的。印度问题出在它自己没那本事设计先进的战机,可是对要求却不断提高,没有脚踏实地而去搞技术大跃进。打个比方,跟TG不生产J-7P和J-8F就直接想跳到J-10A一样,不可能的事。
3g,学学tb吧…不要瞎折腾了!
3哥我造的不是飞机 而是寂寞
最后一次机会战机(last chance aircraft)”的别名。

此前印度对研制国产战机的尝试是在1950年代,但由于远远达不到作战要求,在制造了一小批后宣告失败。

面对LCA,人们已经习惯等待。从上世纪80年代至今,各国新机型层出不穷,中巴联合研制了"枭龙",中国自主研制了"歼十"战机,美国F-16战机已经升级,F-35系列也将陆续形成战力,但是印度仍然在等待LCA。
在项目研发的靡耗国帑耗费时日方面,LCA事实上与阿穷主战坦克不相上下难分雌雄,互为伯仲堪称双璧。阿穷坦克项目早在36年前就立项了。


阿三国的绝代双骄。
达索布局+洛克希德飞控+GE发动机+霍尼韦尔航电,35年,26亿美元(按目前的计算)

我要是三哥审计局长,LCA每延迟1天,项目组枪毙一个
3哥我造的不是飞机 而是寂寞
LCA问题太多,放中国早就终止计划,重新开新的项目了,这样可以总结过去的错误反而回取得比较快的进展。但印度人死要面子活受罪。如果他们早10年放弃重新开始新的计划说不定进度赶上现在的LCA了。
rt12 发表于 2010-4-17 06:26

其实是体制问题。 在TG,这种事高层一震怒,说砍就砍了,割肉止损。但在喜玛拉雅山另一面,是利益牵扯的犹豫不决和政客政治无休止的扯皮。
rt12 发表于 16-4-2010 14:26
其实LCA指标一开始对印度来说已经太高,研制过程中又不断提高指标,所以一直不能脚踏实地,不盖二楼直接盖三楼。现在的LCA基本上是万国牌,印度只负责机体、轮胎和拼装。
当TB的四代正式服役了,LCA自动升级为四代,而且战力超过TB
不要笑话别人,虽然他们LCA存在许多技术问题,但是他们一直在坚持的精神是可贵的。看问题要冷静客观。
进度托、预算涨、性能降,这是国际上型号开发基本的特征了。核心问题在于需求多变,技术没基础。
美国人在项目管理中引入技术成熟度评估机制,将从本质上改变这一型号开发的宿命
绝代双娇?天地双残吧!
不玩CS的T 发表于 2010-4-17 01:06
mca不是lca,买了超级虫,还是需要lca
天地双残,哈哈,很形象啊。
他那个机枪的招标完事了吗?连机关枪都做不了的水平就直接要搞世界先进水平的飞机,脑子真的进水了
三块地瓜 发表于 16-4-2010 15:53
阿三是骑虎难下,已经摆了这么多钱进去了,只好硬头皮把它搞完。问题是阿三空军不断提高LCA的要求,本来印度就没那基础完成最初设计,再提高要求就简直要命。我看它正式形成战斗力时,TG的重四中四都满天飞了。
在多年国际封锁下从零开始研发一种超音速电传操控的四代战

斗机的复杂与艰巨超乎人们想象。这句话最有喜感了,小白兔发来贺电
三哥有国际封锁?说这句话的人脸皮真厚。
cruelworm 发表于 2010-4-17 01:03

太有可能了!到时只需砍掉座舱改成无人攻击(自杀)飞机就自动升级为六代!!

另,九泉之下鬼子的零战发来贺电......:D
无恶不作 发表于 2010-4-17 08:28

对于再次被推迟的时间点,最后也未必是定数。TG的重四(毛标五代)要出来了,很难说军方会不会再次修改需求,这样的研发就会永无止境。搞不好真是要搞个50年。
说2012能服役,看看吧
2018年搞不好巴基斯坦都开始生产中四了,出厂的lca可以直接拖去当靶机了。
三哥居然好意思提技术封锁,也太会找理由了吧
nokiaintel 发表于 2010-4-17 07:39

同意
lca和阿琼,是天残地缺
发财退役那天会等到三哥的LCA的:D
钱倒不算多,时间有点长。
J-10总研制费用据说300亿人民币,按当年(2003)的8.28:1比例,37亿美元。
pzgr43 发表于 2010-4-17 02:04


    那早死光了。
金神大赌场 发表于 2010-4-17 09:03


    就算有些短暂“制裁”,也比TG的环境好100倍。
三块地瓜 发表于 2010-4-17 07:53


    这个不是毅力,是典型的死要面子活受罪的例子。
3哥我造的不是飞机 而是寂寞
三哥认为现阶段还在研制LCA这样的三代机已经OUT了,何不利用大好的国际环境跳过过渡机型直接上马第6代。A3:I CAN PLAY.
绿林好汉 发表于 2010-4-17 10:18


    我听来的数字是一百多亿,八十年代的时候不可能投入太多,而到了91年原型都已经造出来了。
37楼的是真大神还是跳大神的
ID很牛啊