转载一段MIG-29VSF-16的狗斗

JG-73 pilots talking about the exercises held here in Europe where the F-16
> pilots could not achieve a single kill in dogfight
This was an evaluation of the MiG.-29/AA-11 Archer versus the F-16C/Sidewinder-9M combination. In thirty-three test, the F-16 only won one engagement. When the F-16's learned tactics to defeat the HMDS the F-16's started winning the bulk of the engagements.
The F-16 is the T/W fighter while the MiG.-29 is the maneuver fighter. The F-16 should try and fight in the vertical plane while the MiG.-29 should push for the horizontal plane

JG-73的MIG-29G对抗北约的F-16,在某一阶段共进行了33次,其中F-16C+AIM-9M只获得一次胜利,而且似乎没有被判为击落.

Regarding Mig-29/F-16 combat simulations, there is no effective tactics against Mig which F-16 could use.
The F-16 is a simply outdated fighter compared to Mig-29, because it can't went beyond 26 degrees AOA, its wing loading is too high, its engine is prone to compressor stall and losses to much power at higher altitudes.
Also it has not Helmet Mounted Sight, high off-bore sight missiles, laser/electrooptical lock-on system.

The JG-73 commander of Mig-29 said: ''We beat them too quickly, so that we had a kill registration problem. No matter what was put against us.'' So, do not deceive yourself. The Mig-29 and F-16 have a similar T/W ratio (about 1,2 :1 at combat weight) but Mig has a much lower wing loading.

关于MIG-29与F-16的对抗,F-16几乎找不到什么有用的策略.相比MIG-29.F-16相对老旧,无法超出26度的AOA,翼载过高,而且发动机过于倾向于压缩停车?,而导致在高空中损失掉太多的能量.
而且他也没有头瞄,高离轴的武器,光电锁定设备.
JG-73的MIG-29指挥官说过:我们打败他们太迅速了,所以我们碰到了确认击落的问题,不管他们使用什么飞机对抗我们.MIG-29与F-16有着类似的推重比(战斗全重),但是MIG-29有着远低于F-16的翼载.

555th FS were given a tough beating in Slovakia

555 FS 在斯洛伐克也有类似的被击败记录.

The commander of the base gave an explicit order to one pilot of Slovak MiG-29 to play a bit stupid and to get 'shot down' at least once, because they were interested in keeping good relations with the Americans who were already rumored for their inacceptance for losses (Slovakia was applying for a NATO membership at that time). Of course, American commander required the results to be officially acknowledged as 'balanced' and that is how they were presented in media.

基地的指挥官提示出于友谊的目的,故意放水,而给美国人至少一个击落的机会.

The real combat is a comparison of whole airforces, including surveillance systems, ECM, AEW&C, training, strategy, tactics, not separate types.

(在德国的那次比赛)比照了完全的空军,包括ECM,早期预警,训练,战略,战术等等..

JG-73 pilots talking about the exercises held here in Europe where the F-16
> pilots could not achieve a single kill in dogfight
This was an evaluation of the MiG.-29/AA-11 Archer versus the F-16C/Sidewinder-9M combination. In thirty-three test, the F-16 only won one engagement. When the F-16's learned tactics to defeat the HMDS the F-16's started winning the bulk of the engagements.
The F-16 is the T/W fighter while the MiG.-29 is the maneuver fighter. The F-16 should try and fight in the vertical plane while the MiG.-29 should push for the horizontal plane

JG-73的MIG-29G对抗北约的F-16,在某一阶段共进行了33次,其中F-16C+AIM-9M只获得一次胜利,而且似乎没有被判为击落.

Regarding Mig-29/F-16 combat simulations, there is no effective tactics against Mig which F-16 could use.
The F-16 is a simply outdated fighter compared to Mig-29, because it can't went beyond 26 degrees AOA, its wing loading is too high, its engine is prone to compressor stall and losses to much power at higher altitudes.
Also it has not Helmet Mounted Sight, high off-bore sight missiles, laser/electrooptical lock-on system.

The JG-73 commander of Mig-29 said: ''We beat them too quickly, so that we had a kill registration problem. No matter what was put against us.'' So, do not deceive yourself. The Mig-29 and F-16 have a similar T/W ratio (about 1,2 :1 at combat weight) but Mig has a much lower wing loading.

关于MIG-29与F-16的对抗,F-16几乎找不到什么有用的策略.相比MIG-29.F-16相对老旧,无法超出26度的AOA,翼载过高,而且发动机过于倾向于压缩停车?,而导致在高空中损失掉太多的能量.
而且他也没有头瞄,高离轴的武器,光电锁定设备.
JG-73的MIG-29指挥官说过:我们打败他们太迅速了,所以我们碰到了确认击落的问题,不管他们使用什么飞机对抗我们.MIG-29与F-16有着类似的推重比(战斗全重),但是MIG-29有着远低于F-16的翼载.

555th FS were given a tough beating in Slovakia

555 FS 在斯洛伐克也有类似的被击败记录.

The commander of the base gave an explicit order to one pilot of Slovak MiG-29 to play a bit stupid and to get 'shot down' at least once, because they were interested in keeping good relations with the Americans who were already rumored for their inacceptance for losses (Slovakia was applying for a NATO membership at that time). Of course, American commander required the results to be officially acknowledged as 'balanced' and that is how they were presented in media.

基地的指挥官提示出于友谊的目的,故意放水,而给美国人至少一个击落的机会.

The real combat is a comparison of whole airforces, including surveillance systems, ECM, AEW&C, training, strategy, tactics, not separate types.

(在德国的那次比赛)比照了完全的空军,包括ECM,早期预警,训练,战略,战术等等..