超级军网美媒体称中国关注国产战车在巴基斯坦实战表现
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环球时报驻美国特约记者王启超报：美国环球战略网7月3日载文说，近来，巴基斯坦陆军与境内的塔利班武装力量作战，中国对此非常关注。
美媒称，中国对参与这场战事的中国造战车的表现尤其关注，据说，中国制造的59式坦克面对RPG攻击时很脆弱。巴基斯坦装甲部队的战车并没有在装甲较为薄弱的地方安装栅栏装甲。
美媒还说，中国还对一系列中国造武器和装备在战斗中的表现很感兴趣，中国已经有几十年没有实战了，武器生产商很希望看到自己的产品实战表现如何，找出需要改进的地方。环球时报驻美国特约记者王启超报：美国环球战略网7月3日载文说，近来，巴基斯坦陆军与境内的塔利班武装力量作战，中国对此非常关注。
美媒称，中国对参与这场战事的中国造战车的表现尤其关注，据说，中国制造的59式坦克面对RPG攻击时很脆弱。巴基斯坦装甲部队的战车并没有在装甲较为薄弱的地方安装栅栏装甲。
美媒还说，中国还对一系列中国造武器和装备在战斗中的表现很感兴趣，中国已经有几十年没有实战了，武器生产商很希望看到自己的产品实战表现如何，找出需要改进的地方。
美媒称，中国对参与这场战事的中国造战车的表现尤其关注，据说，中国制造的59式坦克面对RPG攻击时很脆弱。巴基斯坦装甲部队的战车并没有在装甲较为薄弱的地方安装栅栏装甲。
美媒还说，中国还对一系列中国造武器和装备在战斗中的表现很感兴趣，中国已经有几十年没有实战了，武器生产商很希望看到自己的产品实战表现如何，找出需要改进的地方。环球时报驻美国特约记者王启超报：美国环球战略网7月3日载文说，近来，巴基斯坦陆军与境内的塔利班武装力量作战，中国对此非常关注。
美媒称，中国对参与这场战事的中国造战车的表现尤其关注，据说，中国制造的59式坦克面对RPG攻击时很脆弱。巴基斯坦装甲部队的战车并没有在装甲较为薄弱的地方安装栅栏装甲。
美媒还说，中国还对一系列中国造武器和装备在战斗中的表现很感兴趣，中国已经有几十年没有实战了，武器生产商很希望看到自己的产品实战表现如何，找出需要改进的地方。
“中国制造的59式坦克面对RPG攻击时很脆弱。”
好像老美的M-1面对RPG攻击时也好不到哪去。
好像老美的M-1面对RPG攻击时也好不到哪去。
Fan1 发表于 2009-7-6 20:50 
对方的批评很合理，不要酸
ps: M1和59无论是防护还是对人的态度根本不是一个档次
对方的批评很合理，不要酸
ps: M1和59无论是防护还是对人的态度根本不是一个档次
巴基斯坦装甲部队的战车并没有在装甲较为薄弱的地方安装栅栏装甲。
小巴在该装反应式装甲的地方装了块钢板外表很威风实则很傻
小巴在该装反应式装甲的地方装了块钢板外表很威风实则很傻
幻海魔刀 发表于 2009-7-6 21:10
原来看他们演习时还想：小巴不错啊，自己会加装甲了...看了那照片当时就不行了{:3_80:}
原来看他们演习时还想：小巴不错啊，自己会加装甲了...看了那照片当时就不行了{:3_80:}
Fan1 发表于 2009-7-6 20:50
又伤害了爱国青年？
老美的M-1面对RPG攻击时，比59强多了
又伤害了爱国青年？
老美的M-1面对RPG攻击时，比59强多了
人家M1不屑防RPG打变形金刚去了,还要拿来跟59比,话说RPG都挡不住的拿来比何用?裤衩那么白?
chundalang 发表于 2009-7-6 23:19
这么傻的设计也不知是小巴那位高人想出来的,弄层空心钢板罩上去只是看上去比较实罢了
这么傻的设计也不知是小巴那位高人想出来的,弄层空心钢板罩上去只是看上去比较实罢了
TG和毛子在士兵防护上确实技术有问题，但最大的是态度问题！
现在不是50、60年代了，当兵的也怕死，不给他们足够的防护会严重影响战斗力
现在不是50、60年代了，当兵的也怕死，不给他们足够的防护会严重影响战斗力
小巴干嘛非要用钢板？
关注 一个二代坦克 我汗……
幻海魔刀 发表于 2009-7-7 13:19
唯一的解释是防太阳，太热了。要加也要下点本钱啊，向毛子的T62那样啊。
唯一的解释是防太阳，太热了。要加也要下点本钱啊，向毛子的T62那样啊。
小巴的59改跟TG有什么关系.人家那层钢板可美其名曰学豹2是间隔装甲.还能秀出个西式炮塔,在爱面子上小巴一点不次于阿三.从照片上也能看出被毁的那些正面并未被RPG洞穿,都是从侧面和后部打的而且还引起的外置油箱着火.但至少人活着出来了.
对比国内的59改小巴的125大炮59更有他们自己的特色,因为没纵深只能直面阿三的T90硬碰硬,他们的59改根本就是为攒出更多的坦克在数量和火力上与阿三拼命,防护和机动性相对次要.开这种东西进山打土匪根本就是找虐,援助小巴一堆86改步战扛上栅栏装甲去扫荡可能比坦克好的多
对比国内的59改小巴的125大炮59更有他们自己的特色,因为没纵深只能直面阿三的T90硬碰硬,他们的59改根本就是为攒出更多的坦克在数量和火力上与阿三拼命,防护和机动性相对次要.开这种东西进山打土匪根本就是找虐,援助小巴一堆86改步战扛上栅栏装甲去扫荡可能比坦克好的多
老59就让他自生自灭吧，随便小巴折腾去了，关心一下mbt2000吧
关键是这他喵的是59啊……
从59上能看出99或96什么来吗?
正如之前预料的，不应该期待奇迹出现，面对这个结果要淡定。
正如某些人还认为99装甲超过了豹2，一回事。
3# dnpp
请各位大能不要把59和M1放在一起谈，如果这样的话我就说M113在越战被重机枪打穿了，美国人真的太菜了！
3# dnpp
请各位大能不要把59和M1放在一起谈，如果这样的话我就说M113在越战被重机枪打穿了，美国人真的太菜了！
这帖子的某些回复是不是睁着眼睛说瞎话哦？？？？59被RPG打着火了，M1没有着火？M1被RPG击中没死人。59死人了？两个不同防护级别的玩意面对RPG的打击同样是跑不掉，只能得出的结论是RPG很强，而不是59和M1的比较吧。最后结果得出59面对RPG打击比M1差多少多少？什么混乱逻辑。
拿m1和59比，是在抬高tg还是在贬低美帝阿！
mmchen 发表于 2009-7-6 23:49
为什么要把59和M1比呢？和谢尔曼比不就完胜了吗？
为什么要把59和M1比呢？和谢尔曼比不就完胜了吗？
貌似在伊拉克，老美的M1也被RPG给干爬下了。
间隔装甲防火箭蛋不是很有效果吗?随便加层东西就能提高效果
隔层装甲防老版本的RPG还是有效的，不过对于新锐一点的有串列战斗部的RPG恐怕就不行了~
巴弟焊的那个东西其实对破甲弹是有点效果的，穿甲弹就免了，400毫米装甲跟200毫米装甲效果完全一样{:3_90:}
59也太老了,在RPG面前不披马甲恐怕没好果子吃
《兵器知识》上说59装的是两层钢板中间夹一层陶瓷板，巴军总共搞失了3辆59改但都未发生殉爆。
战争狂人萨谢思 发表于 2009-7-10 12:32
是说车体吗？炮塔从被炸烂的看来，中间什么都没有
是说车体吗？炮塔从被炸烂的看来，中间什么都没有
mmchen 发表于 2009-7-6 23:49
老美有一辆被RPG-7打瘫的M1A1
老美有一辆被RPG-7打瘫的M1A1
“据说，中国制造的59式坦克面对RPG攻击时很脆弱。”
防RPG能力如何不用上战场就能检验的吧
防RPG能力如何不用上战场就能检验的吧
鸡毛信 发表于 2009-7-10 14:36
关键是那辆59抗住了RPG-7的攻击,是被炸弹炸毁的
美国的媒体嘴真大啊,又有火车开出来了
关键是那辆59抗住了RPG-7的攻击,是被炸弹炸毁的
美国的媒体嘴真大啊,又有火车开出来了
How Al-Zarrar MBT was destroyed
Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani announced summoning of the Pakistan army to crush militancy and terrorism in Swat and Malakand with an iron hand and vowed to establish the writ of the government at all costs. Addressing the nation on radio and television Prime Minister Gilani said time had come to take serious action against the militants who had disrupted peace and tranquility in parts of NWFP. "Army is being called in for upholding the sanctity and national integrity, for elimination of militants and to ensure security of the people," Prime Minister Gilani said.
Since then Pakistan army has been using its Al-Zarrar MBT for precision day night attack capability and recently we have been able to watch the video in which an Al-Zarrar tank was shown destroyed. Many claims have been made about the destruction of these tanks and how this will affect the moral of Pakistani army in Swat and FATA. But what was unknown until now was the fact how this tank was destroyed? It was part of small force at the front to make first contact with the militants along with force of around 35 personals of Pakistani army. It was ambushed from three sides of the mountainous road and has to face at least six suicide attack attempts within span of 15 minutes along with attacks through improvised explosive devices that were buried in their way. Crew of the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT survived without injuries and tank was recovered as neither turret of chassis of Al-Zarrar MBT was penetrated which also proved the recent upgrade was successful. Survival of the crew form the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT is also going to be a major moral booster for the crew as they will have more confidence in the crew protection capability of the tank. According to the soldiers participating in this furious battle fought in first week of this recent attempt by the Pakistan army to clear out the areas from Taliban militants, they were attacked from three sides by different militant groups that have divided themselves into smaller groups of four to five. First attack was through improvise explosive devices which resulted in destruction of the tanks and afterwards Taliban started firing at them, they say that it was very difficult for them to access the direction of the fire and strength of the enemy. Soldiers involved in this fight say that it took us some time to estimate their positions and after that we started counter attack by sending our troops to surround them. Taliban felt the heat and started second part of the attack to scatter and destroy the advance party of Pakistan army, they launched one of their front end weapon against this small advance party; suicide bombers. Because of the magnitude of this attack, one can easily describe it as the largest suicide attack in Pakistan if not the largest in the world, mounted against a small force in shuch a limited time. This attack involved at least six different vehicles and three motor bikes filled with explosives and driven by suicide bombers within short span of time of only fifteen minutes. Pakistani soldiers first gave them warnings to stop as they thought these were civilian vehicles, but later on they recognized the threat in time and started firing at them, most of these vehicles were destroyed but due to high speed these did at front line vehicles of this small military force. According to the commanding officer of this advance force, they were very fortunate that none of their troop involved in this operation was killed and all thirty five of them were able to survive this attack.
Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani announced summoning of the Pakistan army to crush militancy and terrorism in Swat and Malakand with an iron hand and vowed to establish the writ of the government at all costs. Addressing the nation on radio and television Prime Minister Gilani said time had come to take serious action against the militants who had disrupted peace and tranquility in parts of NWFP. "Army is being called in for upholding the sanctity and national integrity, for elimination of militants and to ensure security of the people," Prime Minister Gilani said.
Since then Pakistan army has been using its Al-Zarrar MBT for precision day night attack capability and recently we have been able to watch the video in which an Al-Zarrar tank was shown destroyed. Many claims have been made about the destruction of these tanks and how this will affect the moral of Pakistani army in Swat and FATA. But what was unknown until now was the fact how this tank was destroyed? It was part of small force at the front to make first contact with the militants along with force of around 35 personals of Pakistani army. It was ambushed from three sides of the mountainous road and has to face at least six suicide attack attempts within span of 15 minutes along with attacks through improvised explosive devices that were buried in their way. Crew of the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT survived without injuries and tank was recovered as neither turret of chassis of Al-Zarrar MBT was penetrated which also proved the recent upgrade was successful. Survival of the crew form the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT is also going to be a major moral booster for the crew as they will have more confidence in the crew protection capability of the tank. According to the soldiers participating in this furious battle fought in first week of this recent attempt by the Pakistan army to clear out the areas from Taliban militants, they were attacked from three sides by different militant groups that have divided themselves into smaller groups of four to five. First attack was through improvise explosive devices which resulted in destruction of the tanks and afterwards Taliban started firing at them, they say that it was very difficult for them to access the direction of the fire and strength of the enemy. Soldiers involved in this fight say that it took us some time to estimate their positions and after that we started counter attack by sending our troops to surround them. Taliban felt the heat and started second part of the attack to scatter and destroy the advance party of Pakistan army, they launched one of their front end weapon against this small advance party; suicide bombers. Because of the magnitude of this attack, one can easily describe it as the largest suicide attack in Pakistan if not the largest in the world, mounted against a small force in shuch a limited time. This attack involved at least six different vehicles and three motor bikes filled with explosives and driven by suicide bombers within short span of time of only fifteen minutes. Pakistani soldiers first gave them warnings to stop as they thought these were civilian vehicles, but later on they recognized the threat in time and started firing at them, most of these vehicles were destroyed but due to high speed these did at front line vehicles of this small military force. According to the commanding officer of this advance force, they were very fortunate that none of their troop involved in this operation was killed and all thirty five of them were able to survive this attack.
so far 3 tanks (2, T-59s and 1, Zarrar) and 1, APC have been lost/disabled - part of the game!
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Al-Zarrar已经见过不同死法的照片了，59没见过
Al-Zarrar已经见过不同死法的照片了，59没见过
12345678909 发表于 2009-7-10 13:48
也可能中间那块掉出来了
也可能中间那块掉出来了
猎杀m1a2 发表于 2009-7-10 14:00
费卢杰战役时一辆M1A2尾舱中了一发RPG直接殉爆摘帽了。
费卢杰战役时一辆M1A2尾舱中了一发RPG直接殉爆摘帽了。
小巴试验场 ，好
真受不了暑假党胡说八道
新一期兵器知识有对这款59改的剖析