超级军网阿三论坛对FC1的评论
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Nitin i have a question,
With FC-1 carrying a grifo radar and armed with SD-10 which has same range like R-77 how will we maintain a BVR edge over them ?
Nitin 我有个问题， FC1装上了GRIFO雷达并携带一个与R77同样射程的SD10， 我们如何保证对他们进行先发制人的超视句攻击呢？
Although not a very far-sighted answer...
FC-1: Far from service
SD-10: Far from service
R-77: In service with the IAF on multiple platforms
The IAF's BVR capability vs. the PAF's non-capability is and was always thought to be only a transient phenomenon. The IAF most likely already has plans to keep a tech edge over the PAF regardless of the PAF achieving BVR.
The days of PAF having tech advantage over the IAF has loooong passed and will never return.
尽管这显得不是很有远见，但事实是：
FC1：很久以后才会服役；
SD10：也是不知什么时候才能投入使用。
而我们的R77已经在空军的多种投放平台上投入使用。
印度空军在超视距空战的能力与巴基斯坦在这方面的无能是显而易见的。印度空军肯定已经有了保持对巴基斯坦空中优势的计划，不管他们会不会拥有超视距攻击的能力。
巴基斯坦在空优上超过印度的时机已经逝去，并且他们永远不会在有这个机会了。
PAF will roll -over and play dead in a war. However how does Indian armed forces compare to PLA. That is the major question.
Infact we should make a pact with USA that incase of war with Pak, USA must ensure that PLA will not intervene. I don't mind them stationing CVGs in the Bay of Bengal or in S China sea to take offensive action in case this happens
巴基斯坦空军在战争中只能躺在地上装死。印度空军的装备与中国空军的比较才是我们应该重视的。
实际上我们应该和美国签订一个协议，一旦印巴发生战争，美国保证对巴实施禁运，并保证阻止中国插手。
我不介意美国在这种形式下向南中国海或孟加拉湾派出航母战群Nitin i have a question,
With FC-1 carrying a grifo radar and armed with SD-10 which has same range like R-77 how will we maintain a BVR edge over them ?
Nitin 我有个问题， FC1装上了GRIFO雷达并携带一个与R77同样射程的SD10， 我们如何保证对他们进行先发制人的超视句攻击呢？
Although not a very far-sighted answer...
FC-1: Far from service
SD-10: Far from service
R-77: In service with the IAF on multiple platforms
The IAF's BVR capability vs. the PAF's non-capability is and was always thought to be only a transient phenomenon. The IAF most likely already has plans to keep a tech edge over the PAF regardless of the PAF achieving BVR.
The days of PAF having tech advantage over the IAF has loooong passed and will never return.
尽管这显得不是很有远见，但事实是：
FC1：很久以后才会服役；
SD10：也是不知什么时候才能投入使用。
而我们的R77已经在空军的多种投放平台上投入使用。
印度空军在超视距空战的能力与巴基斯坦在这方面的无能是显而易见的。印度空军肯定已经有了保持对巴基斯坦空中优势的计划，不管他们会不会拥有超视距攻击的能力。
巴基斯坦在空优上超过印度的时机已经逝去，并且他们永远不会在有这个机会了。
PAF will roll -over and play dead in a war. However how does Indian armed forces compare to PLA. That is the major question.
Infact we should make a pact with USA that incase of war with Pak, USA must ensure that PLA will not intervene. I don't mind them stationing CVGs in the Bay of Bengal or in S China sea to take offensive action in case this happens
巴基斯坦空军在战争中只能躺在地上装死。印度空军的装备与中国空军的比较才是我们应该重视的。
实际上我们应该和美国签订一个协议，一旦印巴发生战争，美国保证对巴实施禁运，并保证阻止中国插手。
我不介意美国在这种形式下向南中国海或孟加拉湾派出航母战群
With FC-1 carrying a grifo radar and armed with SD-10 which has same range like R-77 how will we maintain a BVR edge over them ?
Nitin 我有个问题， FC1装上了GRIFO雷达并携带一个与R77同样射程的SD10， 我们如何保证对他们进行先发制人的超视句攻击呢？
Although not a very far-sighted answer...
FC-1: Far from service
SD-10: Far from service
R-77: In service with the IAF on multiple platforms
The IAF's BVR capability vs. the PAF's non-capability is and was always thought to be only a transient phenomenon. The IAF most likely already has plans to keep a tech edge over the PAF regardless of the PAF achieving BVR.
The days of PAF having tech advantage over the IAF has loooong passed and will never return.
尽管这显得不是很有远见，但事实是：
FC1：很久以后才会服役；
SD10：也是不知什么时候才能投入使用。
而我们的R77已经在空军的多种投放平台上投入使用。
印度空军在超视距空战的能力与巴基斯坦在这方面的无能是显而易见的。印度空军肯定已经有了保持对巴基斯坦空中优势的计划，不管他们会不会拥有超视距攻击的能力。
巴基斯坦在空优上超过印度的时机已经逝去，并且他们永远不会在有这个机会了。
PAF will roll -over and play dead in a war. However how does Indian armed forces compare to PLA. That is the major question.
Infact we should make a pact with USA that incase of war with Pak, USA must ensure that PLA will not intervene. I don't mind them stationing CVGs in the Bay of Bengal or in S China sea to take offensive action in case this happens
巴基斯坦空军在战争中只能躺在地上装死。印度空军的装备与中国空军的比较才是我们应该重视的。
实际上我们应该和美国签订一个协议，一旦印巴发生战争，美国保证对巴实施禁运，并保证阻止中国插手。
我不介意美国在这种形式下向南中国海或孟加拉湾派出航母战群Nitin i have a question,
With FC-1 carrying a grifo radar and armed with SD-10 which has same range like R-77 how will we maintain a BVR edge over them ?
Nitin 我有个问题， FC1装上了GRIFO雷达并携带一个与R77同样射程的SD10， 我们如何保证对他们进行先发制人的超视句攻击呢？
Although not a very far-sighted answer...
FC-1: Far from service
SD-10: Far from service
R-77: In service with the IAF on multiple platforms
The IAF's BVR capability vs. the PAF's non-capability is and was always thought to be only a transient phenomenon. The IAF most likely already has plans to keep a tech edge over the PAF regardless of the PAF achieving BVR.
The days of PAF having tech advantage over the IAF has loooong passed and will never return.
尽管这显得不是很有远见，但事实是：
FC1：很久以后才会服役；
SD10：也是不知什么时候才能投入使用。
而我们的R77已经在空军的多种投放平台上投入使用。
印度空军在超视距空战的能力与巴基斯坦在这方面的无能是显而易见的。印度空军肯定已经有了保持对巴基斯坦空中优势的计划，不管他们会不会拥有超视距攻击的能力。
巴基斯坦在空优上超过印度的时机已经逝去，并且他们永远不会在有这个机会了。
PAF will roll -over and play dead in a war. However how does Indian armed forces compare to PLA. That is the major question.
Infact we should make a pact with USA that incase of war with Pak, USA must ensure that PLA will not intervene. I don't mind them stationing CVGs in the Bay of Bengal or in S China sea to take offensive action in case this happens
巴基斯坦空军在战争中只能躺在地上装死。印度空军的装备与中国空军的比较才是我们应该重视的。
实际上我们应该和美国签订一个协议，一旦印巴发生战争，美国保证对巴实施禁运，并保证阻止中国插手。
我不介意美国在这种形式下向南中国海或孟加拉湾派出航母战群
够YY的！
Vick i think we should always keep in mind that chinese will be trying to help pukis narrow that gap.
So yeah we must take that fact into account.
VICK 我们也应该小心中国一直在势图弥补巴基斯坦与印度空军的差距，我们应该认识到这一点。
New Pic of Fc-1
A frontal shot of FC-1
FC1的另一张照片
If the FC-1 already flew as that Photoshopped picture suggests, why is it not being publicised? hahaha
如果FC1真的想那张PS的照片所显示的已经试飞得话，为什么他们不公开发布消息呢？哈哈哈
paki press is reporting a first official flight
soon per AFM forum.
btw R77 is today, tomorrow it will be K77, astra,
Mica who knows what else. SD10+FC1 is 2010 squadron service stuff.
and dont forget out better ground radars and Phalcon.
巴基斯坦媒体已经报道了FC1得首飞，很快AFM的论坛上也会有消息了。
另外，我们今天已经拥有R77，明天就会是K77，谁能说我们不会得到更好的导弹呢，
更不用说我们有更好的地面雷达和以瑟列的PHALCON预警。
Sarma
DJ:If the FC-1 already flew as that Photoshopped picture suggests, why is it not being publicised?
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I don't know maybe the Pakis and Chines are too busy making new PS pictures.
引用“如果FC1真的想那张PS的照片所显示的已经试飞得话，为什么他们不公开发布消息呢？哈哈哈”
可能这些巴基斯坦和中国人实在是忙于伪造PS的照片，来不及发布巴， 哈哈
So yeah we must take that fact into account.
VICK 我们也应该小心中国一直在势图弥补巴基斯坦与印度空军的差距，我们应该认识到这一点。
New Pic of Fc-1
A frontal shot of FC-1
FC1的另一张照片
If the FC-1 already flew as that Photoshopped picture suggests, why is it not being publicised? hahaha
如果FC1真的想那张PS的照片所显示的已经试飞得话，为什么他们不公开发布消息呢？哈哈哈
paki press is reporting a first official flight
soon per AFM forum.
btw R77 is today, tomorrow it will be K77, astra,
Mica who knows what else. SD10+FC1 is 2010 squadron service stuff.
and dont forget out better ground radars and Phalcon.
巴基斯坦媒体已经报道了FC1得首飞，很快AFM的论坛上也会有消息了。
另外，我们今天已经拥有R77，明天就会是K77，谁能说我们不会得到更好的导弹呢，
更不用说我们有更好的地面雷达和以瑟列的PHALCON预警。
Sarma
DJ:If the FC-1 already flew as that Photoshopped picture suggests, why is it not being publicised?
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I don't know maybe the Pakis and Chines are too busy making new PS pictures.
引用“如果FC1真的想那张PS的照片所显示的已经试飞得话，为什么他们不公开发布消息呢？哈哈哈”
可能这些巴基斯坦和中国人实在是忙于伪造PS的照片，来不及发布巴， 哈哈
Arm Pakistan with Fc-1 and F-10. We need a ally to decrease the military press from India.
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PAF will roll -over and play dead in a war. However how does Indian armed forces compare to PLA. That is the major question.
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Sorry Shankar, but I don't agree with you. PAF has nothing to lose. So they will shoot at everything which looks indian, in order to score. Don't put your money on USA, they are only friend of money
引用“巴基斯坦空军在战争中只能躺在地上装死。印度空军的装备与中国空军的比较才是我们应该重视的。。。。”
SHANKAR你的观点我不能苟同，巴基斯坦人没有任何负担，他们会不顾一切的向任何看上去象印度人的目标开火。别对美国人报太多的希望，他们唯一的朋友就是钱。
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Originally posted by Rudra Singha:
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I gave you my promise that FC-1+SD-10 will go into service much earlier than LAC+ASTRA.
(译者：注意这时一个叫“你好”的中国人)
我向你们保证FC1与SD10的搭配会先于LCA服役
First of all has anyone noticed that Don Juan is always rolling in laughter.
Second... why are you shaking your head Don.
Third Nihao, I wish your people the best of luck. You will need it. Finishing such combos of projects are quite hard.
LCA is tough for us for the main reason of the very high standards. We set them and now we want to achieve them and achieve them we shall. It has been a great learning experience as no Pakis or second country is involved. Nothing beats doing it yourself.
I don't want to put you down. If the FC1 has flown then Congrats from all of us. But atleast provide us links of genuine Chinese Media sources. We can provide a thousand at this very moment. Give us the website of the company that is producing them.
As for the LCA .. well my friend
A bird in hand is worth more than 3 in the bush.
We have them doing trial flying and zipping every now and then. Can you rise to the challenge and provide equal coverage of your success.
首先有没有人注意到Don Juan 总是在笑得打滚；
第二，为什么你总是摇脑袋DON JUAN；
三，“你好”：我祝愿你们好运，因为你们真的需要一些运气来完成一个向FC1/SD10这样的计划。
我们的LCA之所以遇到困难完全是由于它的定位很高，我们定了很高的目标现在我们正在努力达到这个目标，我们必然将达到这个目标。这时一个非常好的积累经验的过程，因为没有巴基斯坦或任何第二个国家参预这个计划。(译者：法国人美国人俄国人看到这话该气疯了) 什么事都不如你自己动手去作好。(译者非常惊讶于阿三脸皮的厚度，好象印度除了从国外购买一切外，什么都不会)
我并不想扫你的兴，如果FC1真的试飞了得话那我首先向你们祝贺，但至少给我们提供一个中国官方报道的连接，
我现在可以告诉你壹仟多个有关LCA的站点。你能够给我们一个哪怕是FC1制造公司的站点吗？
对于LCA，我可以这样对你说，拎在你手里的那只山鸡比草丛里的三只都强。
我们正在对LCA进行试飞并且正在成功。你能够以任何FC1相应的进展来挑战我们吗(换句话说，这个SB认为FC1还在图纸上呢)
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PAF will roll -over and play dead in a war. However how does Indian armed forces compare to PLA. That is the major question.
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Sorry Shankar, but I don't agree with you. PAF has nothing to lose. So they will shoot at everything which looks indian, in order to score. Don't put your money on USA, they are only friend of money
引用“巴基斯坦空军在战争中只能躺在地上装死。印度空军的装备与中国空军的比较才是我们应该重视的。。。。”
SHANKAR你的观点我不能苟同，巴基斯坦人没有任何负担，他们会不顾一切的向任何看上去象印度人的目标开火。别对美国人报太多的希望，他们唯一的朋友就是钱。
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Originally posted by Rudra Singha:
[.[/QB]
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I gave you my promise that FC-1+SD-10 will go into service much earlier than LAC+ASTRA.
(译者：注意这时一个叫“你好”的中国人)
我向你们保证FC1与SD10的搭配会先于LCA服役
First of all has anyone noticed that Don Juan is always rolling in laughter.
Second... why are you shaking your head Don.
Third Nihao, I wish your people the best of luck. You will need it. Finishing such combos of projects are quite hard.
LCA is tough for us for the main reason of the very high standards. We set them and now we want to achieve them and achieve them we shall. It has been a great learning experience as no Pakis or second country is involved. Nothing beats doing it yourself.
I don't want to put you down. If the FC1 has flown then Congrats from all of us. But atleast provide us links of genuine Chinese Media sources. We can provide a thousand at this very moment. Give us the website of the company that is producing them.
As for the LCA .. well my friend
A bird in hand is worth more than 3 in the bush.
We have them doing trial flying and zipping every now and then. Can you rise to the challenge and provide equal coverage of your success.
首先有没有人注意到Don Juan 总是在笑得打滚；
第二，为什么你总是摇脑袋DON JUAN；
三，“你好”：我祝愿你们好运，因为你们真的需要一些运气来完成一个向FC1/SD10这样的计划。
我们的LCA之所以遇到困难完全是由于它的定位很高，我们定了很高的目标现在我们正在努力达到这个目标，我们必然将达到这个目标。这时一个非常好的积累经验的过程，因为没有巴基斯坦或任何第二个国家参预这个计划。(译者：法国人美国人俄国人看到这话该气疯了) 什么事都不如你自己动手去作好。(译者非常惊讶于阿三脸皮的厚度，好象印度除了从国外购买一切外，什么都不会)
我并不想扫你的兴，如果FC1真的试飞了得话那我首先向你们祝贺，但至少给我们提供一个中国官方报道的连接，
我现在可以告诉你壹仟多个有关LCA的站点。你能够给我们一个哪怕是FC1制造公司的站点吗？
对于LCA，我可以这样对你说，拎在你手里的那只山鸡比草丛里的三只都强。
我们正在对LCA进行试飞并且正在成功。你能够以任何FC1相应的进展来挑战我们吗(换句话说，这个SB认为FC1还在图纸上呢)
还有不少明天再翻
给脸不要脸，意淫得厉害的说。
阿三真是自大得无可救药了，哈哈~
小样儿~~，出息了啊，有种的也让咱看看LAC量产啊~~
他们大都不相信FC-1已经试飞
印度小阿三得了狂想症
最后这个家伙真是无可救药了...
这样不是很好,明天我们用现实中的fc-1去轰炸阿三想象中的lca
阿三的信息不灵通够可以的。。。。。。呵。。。。。。
阿三怎么老想着对抗我们呢？？
他有本事对抗老霉去呀
md，不要逼我爱国！！
他有本事对抗老霉去呀
md，不要逼我爱国！！
难道是先辈们错了吗，电波在啊三那不是光速传播的，而是以啊三那些蠢驴的步行速度传播的，我这发现可以申请物理诺贝儿奖吗？
这段是有关J10的
Its posted all over so why not here.
THis is a cut and paste job from several websites. Some of it is my opinion. Just wanna express it. I intend no flame.
The J-10 programme can trace its origins back to the cancelled J-9, a Mach 2.5 canard-delta fighter, which is a blend mixture of MiG-23 and Saab JA-37 Viggen.
J-10 is supposed to be a single-seat single-engine multirole fighter aircraft with general performance matching aircraft such as France Mirage 2000 or U.S. F-16C/D. Even after fifteen years of development since 1988 its not ready for actual deployment. This speaks volumes how much Chinese have expertse in building even a mid tech fighter.
Work on the J-10 began in the 1980s as a counter to the Soviet fourth-generation fighters the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker. That mkes it even older than LCA project The original mission was air superiority, but now its supposed to be multirole fighter to replace the crappy Shenyang J-6, Chengdu J-7, and Nanchan Q-5, which dominate the air fleets of the PLAAF.
The original design of the J-10 was based on the cancelled Israel Aviation Industry (IAI) Lavi lightweight fighter. China and Israel started collaboration in the early 1980's and full-scale co-operation was underway by 1984. After the 1987 cancellation of the Lavi programme, its design was taken over by the CAC, and the IAI carried on with the development of avionic equipment. So the plane is mostly Israeli and not Chinese. Since Israelis have stopped support the Chinese are not able to finish the project. However, the Lavi project had included many elements that Israel could not develop by itself, and China cannot obtain these key technologies from the United States, which has consequently substantially increased the technical difficulties of the F10. In addition, there are certain difference between the Israeli and Chinese requirements for the aircraft. Since Israel already already had fighters such as the F-15, its primary requirement for the Lavi was short-range air support and interdiction, with a secondary mission of air superiority. In contrast, the Chinese Air Force is interested in replacing its large fleet of outmoded J-6 and J-7 fighters, for which air superiority capabilities remain a top priority while the air-to-ground attack capability is of secondary importance. China nor Israel is capable of developing the propulsion system required by the J-10,
As i already indicated J-10's development has Fly-By-Wire (FBW) and engine problems, which resulted in the loss of the No.2 prototype aircraft and its test pilot in 1997. So Russia gave them Russians also agreed to offer its Lyulka Saturn AL-31F turbofan engines. FBW is tested in another failed project called J-8 (i will post real face of J-8 later) so the FBW is not reliable.
China tried to make it more complicated by trying to integrate F-16 A/B features and technologies which Pakistan has illegaly given to them.
Some 30 aircraft were suoopsed to be built by 2005. Till now the testing is not over
The acquisition of Su-27, after China had attempted for years to develop the J-10 aircraft with equivalent technology to perform similar functions, demonstrates a lack of confidence in domestic industrial capabilities. China’s record on reverse engineering aircraft has not been impressive, and it remains in doubt whether the J-10 will ever join China’s interceptor inventory.
It is unclear what specific technologies and systems J-10 has.
Its very clear that J-10 will meet the same fate as J-8,FBC-1 (Flying Leopard) etc.
Some prototypes of J-10 has been delivered to the PLAAF Flight Test & Training Center for evaluation in February 2002 . But they were not happy with it and thats why J-10 is still under development and testing.
I think J-10 will go the j-8 way and PLAAF will be forced to accept J-10 as they did with J-8
译文：
既然有关J10的贴子到处都在流传，我不妨也在这里介绍一下。
所有的资料都来自于其他网站，有一些我自己的观点，但声明我并没有刻意撮火，只是表达一下我个人的想法。
J10计划的前身源自被取消的J9，J9的设计时速马和2。5，双三角翼，可以说是一个MIG23和SABB37的混合体。
J10的设计指标是单发单做多用途战机，要求能够达到幻影2000和F16CD的水平。尽管进行了长达15年的研发，J10到现在还是不能投入使用。这个事实无疑表明了中国甚至在设计中等技术水平的飞机上还仍旧力不从心。
J10计划始于80年代，最初是为了作为前苏联MIG29和SU27的对手，这使J10计划比LCA还要老。(J10)最初是以获得制空权为目标，然而现在已经改为多任务战斗机，用以取代仍旧是中国主力机种的老掉牙的J5，6，7，
J10最初的设计是基于被取消的以色列幼师计划，中国和以色列的合作开始于80年代初，并在84年左右开始正式合作。在87年幼师被取消后，它的设计被CAC获得，以色列则继续发展其电子设备。后来由于以色列停止了对中国的技术支持，中国无法继续该计划。幼师计划中包括了很多以色列无法独立研发的技术，而中国有不能从美国获得这些核心技术，而这更加剧的J10计划的危机。而且，中国和以色列对该机的要求也有所不同，因为以色列已经有F15，所以他对幼师的要求是短距支援和截击，空优的任务放在第二位。然而，中国空军的首要目的是取代其大量过时的J5，6，7，取得空中优势是第一位，而对地攻击居次。而且中国和以色列都没有能力制造该机的动力系统。
我已经指出J10在发展中遇到了电传操纵和发动机方面的问题，直接导致其02号原形机在97年坠毁。所以不得不想俄国寻求帮助，而俄国则同意向中国提供AL-31F 蜗扇发动机。而J10的电传系统由于是在另一个失败的J8项目中作的测试，所以非常不稳定。
中国为了使J10更先进，融合了一些F16的技术，而巴基斯坦则是F16的非法提供者。
2005年大概有30架左右可以完成，然而现在试飞还在继续。
中国在发展多年J10后还向俄国购买同等水平的SU27说明他还是对本土技术没有信心，中国在仿制技术上的能力一向低劣，而且他们自己也对J10 是否会最终投入使用没有信心。
J10具体的技术数据无法知晓，但显然J10的命运将会和J8和FBC1一样。
2002年几架样机曾交付中国空军凭估，但结果并不令人满意，这就事为什么他现在还在试飞。
我认为J10无疑会成为和J8一样的鸡勒
Its posted all over so why not here.
THis is a cut and paste job from several websites. Some of it is my opinion. Just wanna express it. I intend no flame.
The J-10 programme can trace its origins back to the cancelled J-9, a Mach 2.5 canard-delta fighter, which is a blend mixture of MiG-23 and Saab JA-37 Viggen.
J-10 is supposed to be a single-seat single-engine multirole fighter aircraft with general performance matching aircraft such as France Mirage 2000 or U.S. F-16C/D. Even after fifteen years of development since 1988 its not ready for actual deployment. This speaks volumes how much Chinese have expertse in building even a mid tech fighter.
Work on the J-10 began in the 1980s as a counter to the Soviet fourth-generation fighters the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker. That mkes it even older than LCA project The original mission was air superiority, but now its supposed to be multirole fighter to replace the crappy Shenyang J-6, Chengdu J-7, and Nanchan Q-5, which dominate the air fleets of the PLAAF.
The original design of the J-10 was based on the cancelled Israel Aviation Industry (IAI) Lavi lightweight fighter. China and Israel started collaboration in the early 1980's and full-scale co-operation was underway by 1984. After the 1987 cancellation of the Lavi programme, its design was taken over by the CAC, and the IAI carried on with the development of avionic equipment. So the plane is mostly Israeli and not Chinese. Since Israelis have stopped support the Chinese are not able to finish the project. However, the Lavi project had included many elements that Israel could not develop by itself, and China cannot obtain these key technologies from the United States, which has consequently substantially increased the technical difficulties of the F10. In addition, there are certain difference between the Israeli and Chinese requirements for the aircraft. Since Israel already already had fighters such as the F-15, its primary requirement for the Lavi was short-range air support and interdiction, with a secondary mission of air superiority. In contrast, the Chinese Air Force is interested in replacing its large fleet of outmoded J-6 and J-7 fighters, for which air superiority capabilities remain a top priority while the air-to-ground attack capability is of secondary importance. China nor Israel is capable of developing the propulsion system required by the J-10,
As i already indicated J-10's development has Fly-By-Wire (FBW) and engine problems, which resulted in the loss of the No.2 prototype aircraft and its test pilot in 1997. So Russia gave them Russians also agreed to offer its Lyulka Saturn AL-31F turbofan engines. FBW is tested in another failed project called J-8 (i will post real face of J-8 later) so the FBW is not reliable.
China tried to make it more complicated by trying to integrate F-16 A/B features and technologies which Pakistan has illegaly given to them.
Some 30 aircraft were suoopsed to be built by 2005. Till now the testing is not over
The acquisition of Su-27, after China had attempted for years to develop the J-10 aircraft with equivalent technology to perform similar functions, demonstrates a lack of confidence in domestic industrial capabilities. China’s record on reverse engineering aircraft has not been impressive, and it remains in doubt whether the J-10 will ever join China’s interceptor inventory.
It is unclear what specific technologies and systems J-10 has.
Its very clear that J-10 will meet the same fate as J-8,FBC-1 (Flying Leopard) etc.
Some prototypes of J-10 has been delivered to the PLAAF Flight Test & Training Center for evaluation in February 2002 . But they were not happy with it and thats why J-10 is still under development and testing.
I think J-10 will go the j-8 way and PLAAF will be forced to accept J-10 as they did with J-8
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既然有关J10的贴子到处都在流传，我不妨也在这里介绍一下。
所有的资料都来自于其他网站，有一些我自己的观点，但声明我并没有刻意撮火，只是表达一下我个人的想法。
J10计划的前身源自被取消的J9，J9的设计时速马和2。5，双三角翼，可以说是一个MIG23和SABB37的混合体。
J10的设计指标是单发单做多用途战机，要求能够达到幻影2000和F16CD的水平。尽管进行了长达15年的研发，J10到现在还是不能投入使用。这个事实无疑表明了中国甚至在设计中等技术水平的飞机上还仍旧力不从心。
J10计划始于80年代，最初是为了作为前苏联MIG29和SU27的对手，这使J10计划比LCA还要老。(J10)最初是以获得制空权为目标，然而现在已经改为多任务战斗机，用以取代仍旧是中国主力机种的老掉牙的J5，6，7，
J10最初的设计是基于被取消的以色列幼师计划，中国和以色列的合作开始于80年代初，并在84年左右开始正式合作。在87年幼师被取消后，它的设计被CAC获得，以色列则继续发展其电子设备。后来由于以色列停止了对中国的技术支持，中国无法继续该计划。幼师计划中包括了很多以色列无法独立研发的技术，而中国有不能从美国获得这些核心技术，而这更加剧的J10计划的危机。而且，中国和以色列对该机的要求也有所不同，因为以色列已经有F15，所以他对幼师的要求是短距支援和截击，空优的任务放在第二位。然而，中国空军的首要目的是取代其大量过时的J5，6，7，取得空中优势是第一位，而对地攻击居次。而且中国和以色列都没有能力制造该机的动力系统。
我已经指出J10在发展中遇到了电传操纵和发动机方面的问题，直接导致其02号原形机在97年坠毁。所以不得不想俄国寻求帮助，而俄国则同意向中国提供AL-31F 蜗扇发动机。而J10的电传系统由于是在另一个失败的J8项目中作的测试，所以非常不稳定。
中国为了使J10更先进，融合了一些F16的技术，而巴基斯坦则是F16的非法提供者。
2005年大概有30架左右可以完成，然而现在试飞还在继续。
中国在发展多年J10后还向俄国购买同等水平的SU27说明他还是对本土技术没有信心，中国在仿制技术上的能力一向低劣，而且他们自己也对J10 是否会最终投入使用没有信心。
J10具体的技术数据无法知晓，但显然J10的命运将会和J8和FBC1一样。
2002年几架样机曾交付中国空军凭估，但结果并不令人满意，这就事为什么他现在还在试飞。
我认为J10无疑会成为和J8一样的鸡勒
呵呵，完全不必更会阿三的感受。
楼主！！这个论坛网址是什么！？偶想去看看！
我个人虽然觉得中国的军友对FC-1和J-10的期望过高。但过高的意思是与美国和俄罗斯的先进战机相比，比LCA不知道要高多少。不说J-10，即使是FC-1我也觉得比LCA要强许多。上面还说什么有少网站介绍LCA，那我说韩国的现代车做的广告比其他的车多不知道多少，也说得什么什么奖，可就不见人买啊！LCA这么多年，无非是一个JOKE。。。。。
不过的确有很多印度人是很杰出的！我指在国外的！
昨天看枭龙试飞来着，很像“阵风”阿
看到阿三的无知,想起我们某些媒体..................................................................汗......
这些SB印度人应该去试试编小说……
同志们千万不要去惊醒它们，让它们在梦里笑去吧！！1
阿三的人真逗,一个个都这么sb...
那个J10的大概是我们的网特发的，烘烘阿三，让它们乐乐！！
LCA还会继续吗？
我非常非常怀疑
雄鹰，你什么时候成斑竹了?
我非常非常怀疑
雄鹰，你什么时候成斑竹了?
印度太多选择了，现在又要买幻影2000，留给LCA的装备空间越来越小了！但根据印度的习惯，LCA还是会装备，不过数量很少罢了，而且性能不会稳定，最终会成为真正的鸡肋，就和“啊----穷”一样！：）
不是说了吗？一年一架。
希望听到他们确认fc1 真的试飞后的反应
支持你!!!!!
支持你!!!!!
J-10目前有十架左右交付给空军试飞,进度太慢,可别真像阿三说的那样成为鸡肋啊!
这些阿三真是很可爱的说！
以下是引用铁将军在2003-9-5 15:24:00的发言：[em09][em09][em09]如果美日也想印度那样自大的话,也就没有中国威胁论了!!好啊,沉睡吧印度,当你再次睁眼只有无情的失败[em08]
同志们千万不要去惊醒它们，让它们在梦里笑去吧！！1
要评世界最难看的飞机，LCA准得第一名
要我说是我们家们口公园里的那架J-5
可怜的阿3~~~~
我现在开始怀凝阿三有没有宽带网！不然速度咋这么慢！都飞了那么多天了还不知道！难怪有人会说新德里再不发展过数十年后上海的现代化就会超过新德里了！还有人怕到中国不知有没有旅馆住！哈哈！！！阿三啊阿三！
我现在开始怀凝阿三有没有宽带网！不然速度咋这么慢！都飞了那么多天了还不知道！难怪有人会说新德里再不发展过数十年后上海的现代化就会超过新德里了！还有人怕到中国不知有没有旅馆住！哈哈！！！阿三啊阿三！
昨天的《兵器》上说阿三的LCA:
印度自行研制的LCA轻型战斗机近日首次实现超音速飞行，共飞行35分钟，其中超音速飞行持续了10秒，速度达到1.08马赫，该机最大设计飞行马赫数达1.8。LCA是印度军备自主研制能力的重要项目，但多年来一直不太顺利。
我有点奇怪，LCA的发动机一直是问题，这次10秒的超音速飞行肯定是在俯冲中完成的。搞笑！LCA才刚刚学会“跑”！
印度自行研制的LCA轻型战斗机近日首次实现超音速飞行，共飞行35分钟，其中超音速飞行持续了10秒，速度达到1.08马赫，该机最大设计飞行马赫数达1.8。LCA是印度军备自主研制能力的重要项目，但多年来一直不太顺利。
我有点奇怪，LCA的发动机一直是问题，这次10秒的超音速飞行肯定是在俯冲中完成的。搞笑！LCA才刚刚学会“跑”！