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TAIPEI, Taiwan, and ROME — Leonardo-Finmeccanica has launched a massive public relations effort in Taiwan to save an agreement with a local aviation company to honor a 2014 deal to co-build the M-346 Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) for filling Taiwan’s air force requirement for 66 aircraft to replace aging AT-3 Tzu Chung attack/trainers.
台湾,台北,罗马-莱纳德-芬梅卡尼卡公司正在开展大量的公关活动,以挽救一份2014年的协议——跟本土企业合作生产M-346高级教练机——以满足台湾空军66架用来替换老旧的AT-3“自强”攻击/教练机。

The local aviation company, Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation (AIDC), signed a teaming agreement for the transfer of technology, co-production and technical assistance for the M-346, but the election of a new president, Tsai Ing-wen, has thrown a wrench into the deal.
本土企业航宇工业发展公司(AIDC)曾经跟莱纳德-芬梅卡尼卡公司签署了一份M-346的技术转移、合作生产和技术支持的合作协议,但是新当选的“总统”蔡英文在这一协议中急转弯。

Tsai has pledged to develop indigenous weapon systems and wean Taiwan off its dependence on foreign-made arms.
蔡陈国要发展本土军事工业,让台湾拜托对外国军事装备的依赖。

Tsai has put AIDC and the Air Force in a difficult position. The new government wants to build a completely indigenous trainer, dubbed the XAT-5 AJT, according to a senior AIDC official. The Leonardo agreement is still in effect, he said, but the new president wants to change it.
蔡使得AIDC和空军处于一个艰难位置。新政府想生产被称呼为 XAT-5 AJT完全自主的教练机,一位AIDC高级官员说。跟莱纳德公司的协议依然有效,但是新“总统”想改变它。

“Leonardo is trying to save the agreement with a big public relations effort, but we are waiting for a final decision on whether the president will accept open bidding that will include foreign companies or go with a totally indigenous product," he said.
“莱纳德正在开展积极的公关来挽救这一交易,但是我们还在等待最终的决定:“总统是同意包括海外公司的公开招标或者进行完全本土企业生产,”他说。

The decision is expected in September.
决定预计在九月就会做出。

A Leonardo spokesperson said AIDC and the M-346 are strongly linked.
莱纳德发言人说AIDC和M-346紧密联系在一起。

“AIDC is the local partner for the Honeywell M-346's engines, assembled in Taiwan by the ITEC [International Turbine Engine Company] consortium, participated by AIDC,” the spokesperson said. “Considering that, we can say that the Taiwanese M-346 version will have at least 50 percent of its content made in Taiwan.
 Within that, one of the scopes of the collaboration between Leonardo and AIDC is to guarantee to the transfer of competences to AIDC to perform possible customizations and/or upgrades to the aircraft configuration.”
“AIDC是M-346的霍尼韦尔发动机的本地合作伙伴,在台湾由AIDC参股的ITEC(国际涡轮引擎公司)财团组装,”发言人说。“基于这些,我可以说台湾版的M-346将至少有50%在台湾制造。包括这一点,莱纳德和AIDC的合作也保证向AIDC的技术转移确保后者能够成为自主升级改造这一飞机的角色。”

Despite the urging of Tsai to indigenously build the aircraft with minimum foreign assistance, Taiwan might have no choice but to go with the M-346 option, said a Taiwan defense analyst. The indigenous option, by comparison, is of a higher risk and requires significantly more research and development, estimated by AIDC to cost of $2.3 billion for the entire program from birth to death.
即便说服了蔡在极少的国外援助的基础上生产自主飞机,台湾除了M-346以外别无选择,一位台湾防务分析家说到。对比认为,“国产”选择是一个高风险并且需要更多更久的开发周期,如果由AIDC从头到尾全部开发的话需要23亿美元。

“If I were Taiwan, I would probably make it a requirement that the avionics suite be sourced locally, via AIDC or Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology, since that is the only area where there could be any real added value in the whole project,” said the Taiwan defense analyst. Local licensed production of the aircraft would also be an important factor to allow Tsai to save face, he said.
“如果我是台湾领导人的话,我会要求航空电子系统本土负责,可以通过AIDC或者中山科学院获得,因为这些东西是这一项目中我们唯一可以发挥作用的领域,”台湾军事分析家说。本土许可生产战斗机也是蔡保住面子的重要因素,他说道。

“Having said all that, it is important to remember that defense industry policy issues are poorly informed and underdebated in Taiwan,” he said. “So the XAT-5 program would likely devolve into indigenous versus foreign controversies, without real thought being given to just exactly how much Taiwan’s aerospace industry could hope to gain by adopting a totally indigenous trainer of which the Air Force will be the sole user with a very limited installed base of 66 aircraft that would be extremely difficult to sustain.”
“说到这一切,重要的要记住:在台湾国防工业政策很少被提及和讨论,”他说“所以XAT-5项目很可能会演变成本土与外国制造的争议,没有真正考虑过多少技术是台湾本土企业可以真正提供的,而台湾空军作为唯一用户的66架次,是远远无法提供给本土企业去维系生产的。”

Taiwan’s AT-3 aircraft were built in the 1980s and built by AIDC with foreign assistance. The replacement will be fielded to two bases: one in Taitung to replace the aging F-5E/F Tigers and the other in Kangshan to replace the AT-3s.
台湾的AT-3是在1980年代由AIDC在国外援助下生产的。替换基于两个目的:1、替换老旧的F-5E/f战机,2、替换AT-3教练机。http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/asia-pacific/2016/08/10/taiwan-m346-advanced-jet-trainer-air-force/88509314/



TAIPEI, Taiwan, and ROME — Leonardo-Finmeccanica has launched a massive public relations effort in Taiwan to save an agreement with a local aviation company to honor a 2014 deal to co-build the M-346 Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) for filling Taiwan’s air force requirement for 66 aircraft to replace aging AT-3 Tzu Chung attack/trainers.
台湾,台北,罗马-莱纳德-芬梅卡尼卡公司正在开展大量的公关活动,以挽救一份2014年的协议——跟本土企业合作生产M-346高级教练机——以满足台湾空军66架用来替换老旧的AT-3“自强”攻击/教练机。

The local aviation company, Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation (AIDC), signed a teaming agreement for the transfer of technology, co-production and technical assistance for the M-346, but the election of a new president, Tsai Ing-wen, has thrown a wrench into the deal.
本土企业航宇工业发展公司(AIDC)曾经跟莱纳德-芬梅卡尼卡公司签署了一份M-346的技术转移、合作生产和技术支持的合作协议,但是新当选的“总统”蔡英文在这一协议中急转弯。

Tsai has pledged to develop indigenous weapon systems and wean Taiwan off its dependence on foreign-made arms.
蔡陈国要发展本土军事工业,让台湾拜托对外国军事装备的依赖。

Tsai has put AIDC and the Air Force in a difficult position. The new government wants to build a completely indigenous trainer, dubbed the XAT-5 AJT, according to a senior AIDC official. The Leonardo agreement is still in effect, he said, but the new president wants to change it.
蔡使得AIDC和空军处于一个艰难位置。新政府想生产被称呼为 XAT-5 AJT完全自主的教练机,一位AIDC高级官员说。跟莱纳德公司的协议依然有效,但是新“总统”想改变它。

“Leonardo is trying to save the agreement with a big public relations effort, but we are waiting for a final decision on whether the president will accept open bidding that will include foreign companies or go with a totally indigenous product," he said.
“莱纳德正在开展积极的公关来挽救这一交易,但是我们还在等待最终的决定:“总统是同意包括海外公司的公开招标或者进行完全本土企业生产,”他说。

The decision is expected in September.
决定预计在九月就会做出。

A Leonardo spokesperson said AIDC and the M-346 are strongly linked.
莱纳德发言人说AIDC和M-346紧密联系在一起。

“AIDC is the local partner for the Honeywell M-346's engines, assembled in Taiwan by the ITEC [International Turbine Engine Company] consortium, participated by AIDC,” the spokesperson said. “Considering that, we can say that the Taiwanese M-346 version will have at least 50 percent of its content made in Taiwan.
 Within that, one of the scopes of the collaboration between Leonardo and AIDC is to guarantee to the transfer of competences to AIDC to perform possible customizations and/or upgrades to the aircraft configuration.”
“AIDC是M-346的霍尼韦尔发动机的本地合作伙伴,在台湾由AIDC参股的ITEC(国际涡轮引擎公司)财团组装,”发言人说。“基于这些,我可以说台湾版的M-346将至少有50%在台湾制造。包括这一点,莱纳德和AIDC的合作也保证向AIDC的技术转移确保后者能够成为自主升级改造这一飞机的角色。”

Despite the urging of Tsai to indigenously build the aircraft with minimum foreign assistance, Taiwan might have no choice but to go with the M-346 option, said a Taiwan defense analyst. The indigenous option, by comparison, is of a higher risk and requires significantly more research and development, estimated by AIDC to cost of $2.3 billion for the entire program from birth to death.
即便说服了蔡在极少的国外援助的基础上生产自主飞机,台湾除了M-346以外别无选择,一位台湾防务分析家说到。对比认为,“国产”选择是一个高风险并且需要更多更久的开发周期,如果由AIDC从头到尾全部开发的话需要23亿美元。

“If I were Taiwan, I would probably make it a requirement that the avionics suite be sourced locally, via AIDC or Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology, since that is the only area where there could be any real added value in the whole project,” said the Taiwan defense analyst. Local licensed production of the aircraft would also be an important factor to allow Tsai to save face, he said.
“如果我是台湾领导人的话,我会要求航空电子系统本土负责,可以通过AIDC或者中山科学院获得,因为这些东西是这一项目中我们唯一可以发挥作用的领域,”台湾军事分析家说。本土许可生产战斗机也是蔡保住面子的重要因素,他说道。

“Having said all that, it is important to remember that defense industry policy issues are poorly informed and underdebated in Taiwan,” he said. “So the XAT-5 program would likely devolve into indigenous versus foreign controversies, without real thought being given to just exactly how much Taiwan’s aerospace industry could hope to gain by adopting a totally indigenous trainer of which the Air Force will be the sole user with a very limited installed base of 66 aircraft that would be extremely difficult to sustain.”
“说到这一切,重要的要记住:在台湾国防工业政策很少被提及和讨论,”他说“所以XAT-5项目很可能会演变成本土与外国制造的争议,没有真正考虑过多少技术是台湾本土企业可以真正提供的,而台湾空军作为唯一用户的66架次,是远远无法提供给本土企业去维系生产的。”

Taiwan’s AT-3 aircraft were built in the 1980s and built by AIDC with foreign assistance. The replacement will be fielded to two bases: one in Taitung to replace the aging F-5E/F Tigers and the other in Kangshan to replace the AT-3s.
台湾的AT-3是在1980年代由AIDC在国外援助下生产的。替换基于两个目的:1、替换老旧的F-5E/f战机,2、替换AT-3教练机。
意大利是作死了
你这标题,有问题啊,小伙子。怎么不说是“本土造”呢?
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面条作大死?当心弄死依维柯!
还有不怕死的。           
制裁意大利……
意大利想当西瓜被敲敲?


对我们而言台湾高价买国外烂货好还是冒风险搞所谓国造好?
对比印度,觉得台湾高价买烂货更有利于腐蚀其军力。我们只需要保证不能是高端产品,且通过政治施压(口头警告)帮助老外抬高售台武器的价格。产品最好是不保修且台湾自己都修不了的那种。

对我们而言台湾高价买国外烂货好还是冒风险搞所谓国造好?
对比印度,觉得台湾高价买烂货更有利于腐蚀其军力。我们只需要保证不能是高端产品,且通过政治施压(口头警告)帮助老外抬高售台武器的价格。产品最好是不保修且台湾自己都修不了的那种。
教练机,不包括武器系统的话可以随便
台湾的IDF成巅峰之作了?
对我们而言台湾高价买国外烂货好还是冒风险搞所谓国造好?
对比印度,觉得台湾高价买烂货更有利于腐蚀其军 ...
M346还是蓝鹊,并不重要重要的是不许对台军售!如果连意大利都阻止不了,搞毛线啊!
开展大量的公关活动?好爽啊,我喜欢。
折腾差不多了个、封杀的效果才好
面条想干嘛
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对我们而言台湾高价买国外烂货好还是冒风险搞所谓国造好?
对比印度,觉得台湾高价买烂货更有利于腐蚀其军 ...
不是的,让台湾得不到任何外来武器系统才是腐蚀其军力的最好方法。美国卖武器给台湾我们没法阻止,其他的国家就让试试看。
以 4V 的尿性,舔也是舔干爹,面条的玩意还未必能看得上了
Kavindisher 发表于 2016-8-12 03:03
教练机,不包括武器系统的话可以随便
即便是F5都不能随便,这是态度问题
从现在开始,不管是升级F16,还是幻影2000的备件米卡蛋蛋,还是潜艇,任何武器都应该禁运,美的能制裁,我们也可以啊,这是态度问题,这点要学普大帝,su24被打了,马上制裁!现在土耳其来舔了

中国曾经是大国,现在慢慢变强国,在自己的地盘上要有话语权
M346可以很容易地改装成攻击机,所以一定要坚决反对。
反过来,台湾现在自己的打算就是自研,不然人才队伍就断层了。必须要打断台湾的进程
反过来,台湾现在自己的打算就是自研,不然人才队伍就断层了。必须要打断台湾的进程
打断可以,要真卖那对不起。就像幻影2000要升级可以,运到法国去升级,升级好了放在那,不能给。达索分个三成利润给兔纸就好了,当然,飞机给兔纸
反过来,台湾现在自己的打算就是自研,不然人才队伍就断层了。必须要打断台湾的进程
就是自研也能弄不出花样来,如果美国的军火公司插手“自研”,一定要狠狠修理。
用放行台湾外购战斗机的代价来打断台湾“自研”之路,代价太大了。

现在南海仲裁案刚过去,萨德要入韩,破事一大堆。兔子如果这时候不下狠手,以后就没有人给兔子当小弟了。
对象是意大利,拿美国没折,还搞不过面条国?让面条重新学习高卢公鸡和荷兰的例子。

即使是国民党执政,在这种事情上也不手软,更何况是绿营在台上!
从俄国偷来的技术卖给台湾,这是活腻歪的节奏么?
还不就是换汤不换药
不知道俄罗斯现在心里是什么感觉
胆子还真是不小呢
空心菜要推国造是因为她上台为拉选票许了很多愿,但WW军方对国造实在没有信心,所以这事兔子就不用管太多,把麻烦留给空心菜自己去头大吧。
意大利式穷疯了,湾湾是憋疯了......
740159711 发表于 2016-8-11 22:53
面条作大死?当心弄死依维柯!
怎么个作死法
Kavindisher 发表于 2016-8-12 03:03
教练机,不包括武器系统的话可以随便
那价格一定不便宜
怎么个作死法
敢买军品给台湾就是作死。
yangbin2004 发表于 2016-8-15 14:21
反过来,台湾现在自己的打算就是自研,不然人才队伍就断层了。必须要打断台湾的进程
自研要有实力
意大利式穷疯了,湾湾是憋疯了......
穷就拿出点好东西,卖兔子。活塞发动机好像不错吧。卖弯弯不找死吗,达索都不敢啊!
面条国担心啊,万一洛克希德搞个台湾版的T50说服国会强卖,马基挣不上一分钱,棒子又强忍着不敢吭声。
缺钱找三哥啊,国机国造多好的计划,跟那啥国舰国造配一块儿何愁台湾玩不死自己。还真盼着这俩计划真能大力实施……
ahhsxg 发表于 2016-8-15 13:29
从现在开始,不管是升级F16,还是幻影2000的备件米卡蛋蛋,还是潜艇,任何武器都应该禁运,美的能制裁,我 ...
这个世界只相信拳头 毛子是落魄的 但是余威还在 敢于亮剑
我们却相反 我们表面强大了 但是缺少硬气 这和什么谋略没有关系 有时候亮亮拳头解决问题更方便了当
ahhsxg 发表于 2016-8-16 15:33
穷就拿出点好东西,卖兔子。活塞发动机好像不错吧。卖弯弯不找死吗,达索都不敢啊!
卖几架也就卖了 手里有什么硬货也给我们点 卖飞机的事儿就算了
如何这事成了,洪都L15发展可能有变——两岸空军教练机先行统一!?
这是我国驻意大利大使失职么?
我发现最近这世界多了很多作死的家伙