超级军网拿大辽和超日王对比很掉价
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一、我比较赞赏超日王。因为从当初戈舰魔改成现在这个水平，确实大大出乎意料，这事上不得不佩服毛子和阿三。相对比，大辽改装就太保守太保守。
二、我其实我不赞同拿两者来对比否定任何一方，就象我反感很多人拿尼米兹对比大辽来否定大辽。本身大辽6万的排水量和超日王4.5万的排水量拿来对比就很掉价了，还没比出多大的优势，目前表现出来的战斗力也没比超日强。以后正常运转起来最终战斗力比不过超日的话，兔子海军就别想在地球上混了。
三、两者差不多同时服役，但是目前公开的两者实际战斗力超日还领先，应当肯定阿三的训练和使用航母的经验领先我们。
一、我比较赞赏超日王。因为从当初戈舰魔改成现在这个水平，确实大大出乎意料，这事上不得不佩服毛子和阿三。相对比，大辽改装就太保守太保守。
二、我其实我不赞同拿两者来对比否定任何一方，就象我反感很多人拿尼米兹对比大辽来否定大辽。本身大辽6万的排水量和超日王4.5万的排水量拿来对比就很掉价了，还没比出多大的优势，目前表现出来的战斗力也没比超日强。以后正常运转起来最终战斗力比不过超日的话，兔子海军就别想在地球上混了。
三、两者差不多同时服役，但是目前公开的两者实际战斗力超日还领先，应当肯定阿三的训练和使用航母的经验领先我们。
同意楼主 印度经验丰富
超旺从军舰到飞机就是缩小板的大辽！
跟阿三比没意义，赶超美国才是目标。加油！
24辆速腾和24辆辉腾比战斗力?
我是008 发表于 2016-2-4 10:31
24辆速腾和24辆辉腾比战斗力?
目前服役的米格-29K和苏-33相比，除了弹程指数差一些，其他都不差。
24辆速腾和24辆辉腾比战斗力?
目前服役的米格-29K和苏-33相比，除了弹程指数差一些，其他都不差。
文不对题，语文是扫地阿姨教的吗？
目前服役的米格-29K和苏-33相比，除了弹程指数差一些，其他都不差。
j-15的电子，雷达。你认为和su33一样?
j-15的电子，雷达。你认为和su33一样?
我是008 发表于 2016-2-4 10:57
j-15的电子，雷达。你认为和su33一样?
你有资料？那拿出来给大家分析一下？
j-15的电子，雷达。你认为和su33一样?
你有资料？那拿出来给大家分析一下？
目前服役的米格-29K和苏-33相比，除了弹程指数差一些，其他都不差。
在海上，一寸长，一寸强。
作战半径比对手大100海里，都是致命的优势。
何况，辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
看得远，腿也长。
这个优势就太大了。
在海上，一寸长，一寸强。
作战半径比对手大100海里，都是致命的优势。
何况，辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
看得远，腿也长。
这个优势就太大了。
印度海军的水平：
注：此文是美国reddit上某美海军第七舰队伯克级驱逐舰上的军官所作，这家伙在印美联合演习时，在印度海军新德里号驱逐舰上待了5天。内容主要关于他在那5天里的见闻。此文以问答形式进行。原文作者的身份咱坛子里有人去确认过，确实是个前美国海军军官，他的youtube帐号上有其在海军学院当学员的视频，从舰桥上拍摄的，伯克舰炮实弹射击的视频，以及横须贺跨年烟花表演的视频。
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I see a lot of disappointments/shock in your comments. Were there any positives? Did they have good food?
Actually, their food was excellent. They also made really good tea, too. I drank nothing but hot milk tea my entire 5 days there because I was afraid of drinking the water (I saw their reverse osmosis units, dear god).
问：我看到你的评论里表达很多失望和震惊，就没什么值得称道的么？他们提供的伙食好么？
答：说实话，他们的伙食很棒。他们煮的茶也非常好。那5天里我什么都没喝，除了热奶茶。
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How bad was it?
15+ years old and they looked like nobody had done any maintenance in the last 5+ years. Their ROs were in such poor shape that despite having a greater fresh water production capacity than my ship by several thousand gallons, they were still on water hours.
问：这船到底有但烂？
答：15年以上的舰龄，但看起来像是近5年内没进行过任何维护。他们的逆渗透净水器的状况非常杯具，以至于即便他们的净水器比我们的在产能上多了几千加仑，他们却只能在限定时段供水。
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How do they runs things differently then the USN?
Their engineering practices were abysmal. No undershirts, no steel-toed boots - they wore sandals - no hearing protection in their engineering spaces. No lagging (sound dampening material) in any space. No electrical safety whatsoever. No operational risk management. No concept of safety of navigation. Absolutely did not adhere to rules of the road. They more or less did not have any hard-copy written procedures for any exercise or event, at all. They had no concept of the coded fleet tactical system that US coalition forces and allies utilize (they literally made it up as they went along, and when I tried to interject and explain to them how it worked, they ignored me). When I arrived onboard they thought I was a midshipman and treated me as such. I had to be frank and explain that I was a commissioned officer and that yes, I stood officer on the deck onboard my ship and was a qualified surface warfare officer. They don't entrust their people with any responsibility until they are very senior Lieutenants (O-3s) and junior Lieutenant Commanders (O-4s). At this point in the US Navy there are literally guys commanding ships, and these guys couldn't even be trusted to handle a radio circuit.
问：他们的办事的方式和美国海军有何差别？
答：他们的工程操作糟透了。没人穿汗衫，没有铁头工地靴--他们穿拖鞋，工程区域没人采用听觉保护措施，任何区域都没有隔音材料，没有任何电气安全措施，没有风险管理机制，毫无导安全航行的概念，根本不遵守海上交通规则。大致上他们根本没有书面形式的操作规范，也从不对事件进行笔头记录，完全没有。他们对美国和盟国联军所用的编队战术加密系统（就是编队中舰与舰间在为编队战术进行沟通协调时所用的标准用语体系）毫无认识。他们在演习过程中居然从头到尾自己编着来。当我尝试帮忙并向他们解释正确的方法时，他们完全不尿我。我刚上舰的时候，他们还当我是一准尉般对待，我必须很直白告诉他们我是一个正式的职业军官，我在我的军舰上是有挥权的水面作战军官。在他们这里，除非是你是一名海军上尉，或者是海军少校，要么没人敢让你担当任何职责。在美海军的战舰上，有文化的家伙指挥军舰，而这帮玩意儿连摆弄个无线电都够呛。
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How knowledgeable did you find the officers to be?
Well, their captain was driving the ship when it came within 50ft of the stern of a USNS replenishment ship and at any given time there were multiple officers on the bridge screaming at each other. They were generally clueless and had almost zero seamanship skills. I found their enlisted guys to be far more competent than their officers on the bridge.
问：你觉得他们的军官水平怎们样？
答：呃，他们的上校（舰长？）指挥操舵的时候，直接把船开进离美国补给舰舰尾仅仅15米的距离。而且无论任何时候，舰桥里都有一群军官互相嚷嚷来嚷嚷去。大致上讲，他们的航海技术为0，大部分时间都不知道该干嘛。我觉得他们的一般的水兵比起他们的舰桥里军官似乎懂得还多不少。
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Why do you think they're so incompetent and have such crappy operations?
Well, coming within 50ft of another ship at sea is never a good sign. But, afterwards, the general consensus/excuse that they came up with during their mini-debrief was "oh well, rough seas, better luck next time" not "holy ******* ****, we parted a tensioned wire cable made of braided steel under hundreds of thousands of pounds of tension".
And wearing sandals during replenishment/helo ops/boat ops/in engineering spaces pretty much says it all. They legitimately didn't understand why I was wearing steel-toed flight deck boots.
Things like these aren't cultural differences, they are golden exhibitions of their sheer lack of common sense and seamanship.
问：你觉得他们为何会这么烂？
答：任何时候把自己的船开到离别人15米的距离都不是好事儿，然而，时候他们在汇报中冒出的理由居然是海况糟糕，下次运气会好些。而且无论是补给，直升机任务，交通艇任务，工程施工过程中，都穿着凉拖。他们完全不明白为什么我穿着铁头飞行甲板靴。这些问题可不仅仅是出于文化差异。他们毫无常识，航海技能也非常匮乏，简直是极品秀下限。
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1. Are you breaking any US Navy rules by telling us all this?
2. How did they do in the exercise? Did they get "sunk" five times or what?
3. Were there equivalent Indian Navy personnel on a US Navy ship and do you happen to know their assessment? Were they disappointed by the lack of slaves?
4. Let's say **** hits the fan. India and Pakistan (or any other country. Take your pick) are at war and the ship you were on is sent into action. Would they be an effective fighting force or are they on the bottom of the ocean before the first day of shooting?
Great AMA btw!
1. I'm not breaking any rules in telling you this.
2. It wasn't a wargame-type exercise. It was basically one big five-day photo op.
3. I only have second-hand information about the Indian equivalent that came onboard my ship, but from what I understand he was impressed by the cleanliness of the ship and amazed that we had hot running water all day...
4. Truthfully - bottom of the ocean. I would be surprised if most of their gear worked. The stuff I saw (I got a pretty extensive tour) looked like it fell straight out of the 60s and 70s and I would be genuinely flabbergasted if they got any rounds off. They could barely avoid hitting other ships in the middle of the Pacific, I doubt they'd be popping off any rounds with any amount of accuracy.
问：1.你跟我们说这些不会喝茶吧？
2.他们在演习中表现如何？不会被击沉5次吧？
3.美军的军舰上有和你一样的交换人员么？他们提出的评价如何？
4.假如说吧，便便打到电风扇了，印度跟巴基斯坦或者随便哪个国家打了起来，而你刚好在印度军舰上并上了战场，他们将会是作战力强大的武装还是说第一天就去喂鱼养珊瑚了？另外，很棒的问答！！
答：
1.不会喝茶
2.这并不是一次战斗演习，顶多是个大规模的宣传活动罢了。
3.我只是听说了些关于被派到我的穿上的印度军官的事儿。他看见我们的军舰那么干净而且居然全天有热水供应很惊讶。
4.实话么，喂鱼养珊瑚吧。看到他们的装备居然还能使我已经很惊讶了。他们的东西给我的感觉像是6、70年代穿越过来的。所以能开火就已经阿弥陀佛了。然而鉴于他们在太平洋里都几乎避不开别的船只看来，即便开了火也不见得能打着些什么。
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I read 'Indian Navy' and I immediately pictured a ridiculously crowded boat, with everyone living(?) in squalor. Is that at all the case?
Actually, yes. Before I came onboard I was told to bring my own roll of toilet paper, if that alludes to the conditions that they live in at all. There was actually toilet paper aboard their ship. It was thinner than one-ply, if that's possible. I might as well have been wiping my *** with my bare hand.
After a particularly wet small boat ride over to their ship, I was dying to get out of my sea water-drenched uniform and into a fresh one (unfortunately, my entire bag was completely soaked to include my shirts, underwear, spare uniform, phone, camera, and my roll of toilet paper)...
I walked into their "officer's head" (their are extremely, extremely hierarchical and classist, even from a military standpoint) and there was a good 2" of ****-water sloshing around back and forth across the deck and an obscure, probably live wire with it's end wrapped in electrical tape non-surreptitiously protruding from the wall.
They have an entire "class" of civilians onboard. I still don't know what to make of them. I think they were some sort of cheap labor, but everybody onboard referred to them as slaves. As in, they used the word "slave". Anyways, the quarters those guys lived in was awful, it was basically a big open space partitioned with a sheet. They slept on a steel deck with a simple blanket and a pillow. Good times.
Their enlisted guys didn't have it much better. Their berthing was infested with rats (a guy from my ship swore up and down that he saw a rat that was no-**** the length of his arm) and another US sailor from another ship came back covered in bed-bug sores. Dude looked like he had ******* chicken pocks.
问：我读了《印度海军》，并马上就想象到了一艘挤满了人的船，而且都住在垃圾堆了。是这样的么？
答：没错。在我上船前就有人告诉我自己带手纸，虽然手纸对于那种生活环境的改善也不过是聊胜于无。不过他们的船上的厕所其实备手纸的，只是巨薄，几乎和赤手空拳抠菊花没差别。我所乘坐的开往他们的军舰的小艇巨小，我身上被海水浸透了。我迫不及待想换身干的制服，然而我的行李也全都湿透了，包括衬衫，内衣，备换的制服，电话，相机，包括我心爱的手纸。
我进了他们的"长官的头”（officer's head,就是军官用的厕所)，好家伙，真忒娘豪华，即便按照军用标准来看！然而忒么的地面居然有两英寸深的SHI水随船荡漾，而且还有裹着电工胶布，看样子像是通了电的电线从墙里伸了出来，光明正大地泡在这池混水中。
他们船上有好一伙不明真相的群众，到现在我都不知道他们是干嘛的。我猜他们是某种廉价劳工？可每个人都管他们叫奴隶，没错儿，是直呼他们为奴隶。这帮奴隶居住的角落的环境很糟糕，基本上就是在露天的硬地板上挂上一块大床单分割出一个角落，几个人就躺在光溜溜的甲板上盖上一张薄床单就这么睡。一般水兵也好不到哪儿去。他们睡的宿舍成了耗子繁殖基地。和我一起同来的哥们儿MLGB地骂着说他看见了一只跟他胳膊一般粗的耗子。来自另一艘军舰美国水兵回去后全身没有一处没被臭虫叮到，跟长满了水痘一般。
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Awesome AMA so far. I'm former US navy as well, so I can appreciate your shock and dismay at their abysmal practices.
1. What was your single biggest 'are you ******* kidding me' moment?
2. What was your biggest priority when you got back to your ship?
3. At any point did you consider trying to assume OOD for your own safety?
4. Will anyone important listen to your assessment of their battle-readiness?
Thanks in advance!
1. Have you ever seen a US ship do an unrep at sea? When we pull along side and shoot the shotline across (basically a thick piece of yarn for those who don't know) there's a nice soft tennis ball affixed to the end of it so that it'll bounce of the deck and someone can go retrieve it... the Indians shot a spear. A motherfucking spear. Like, a 16" long piece of metal with a point on the end....
2. Biggest priority was showering. I hadn't showered properly in almost 5 days, and all of my uniforms reeked of seawater.
3. I wouldn't dare try and assume the deck like that. Even on a US ship that would be extremely, extremely out of line. On a foreign Navy ship? **** it, I can swim... Honestly though, when they passed under (50 feet from) the replenishment ship, I was generally afraid they were going to collide. 50ft at sea is extremely, extremely close. I had to leave the bridge after that ****, I just couldn't stomach it anymore.
4. And yes, I wrote up a full-debrief afterwards that was read by my CO/XO and presumably ISIC.
问：好NB的问答，我也在美国海军服役过，我大概能理解你的震惊和对他们糟糕的表现所感到的沮丧
1.你碰到的最“我咧个擦，你忒娘的搞什么飞机”时刻是？？
2.你回到自己穿上后最先做的是？
3.你有没有为了自身安全，尝试自己代理值星官？
4.有没有哪个大人物会听取你的评估？
先表感谢～！
答：
1.你见过美国的舰艇进行航行中补给操作么？当两艘船并排靠拢后，我们会把缆绳发射到另一艘船上，实际上就是一个绳球，就跟一个小软网球一样，射到对方甲板上最多弹起下，对方捡起来就可以了。而印度人射的可是矛，忒娘真的是矛！16寸长带尖的金属矛！
2.洗澡。大概5天了我都没洗澡，身上都是盐巴。
3.这个真心不敢，在美国的军舰上这么干都是不可想象的，在外国的军舰上？我倒是会游泳...说实话，当两艘船相距不到15米，当时是真怕相撞。在海上15米是极端，极端地近的距离了。
4.嗯，当然，事后我写了一大篇的汇总给我的指挥官和直系上级。
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On an arbitrary scale from 1-10, 1 being full retard and ten being space marine quality training and efficiency, how would you rate their sailors quality?
3, at best. They had some marginally competent folks, but for every one person who was half-competent, there were 4 other guys just standing around looking clueless.
问：来个1-10评分吧。1是纯弱智，10是技术好到能把船开出宇宙。你觉得他们的水平能拿多少分？
答：3分打到头。他们当中有些将将及格的家伙，然而每1个这些半桶水的家伙，周围至少站着4个完全不知该干嘛的。
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Why do you think this is? Are those guys not trained? Are their ships "overstaffed"?
I have staff in India and find that there is a tendency to do nothing when they are unsure of something, instead of coming to me and asking for an explanation.
They were great at doing the same things over and over again, but when I simply asked for an outcome and expected them to figure out HOW to do it, they were stumped.
Well, considering how undermanned US ships are at the moment (our CRUDES - crusiers/destroyers) are, on average, missing about 20-30 people give or take - destroyers more so.... I would say that it's a fault in their training, because they have more than enough people running around not doing anything of particular use.
And I agree. These guys were having issues breaking/generating a fairly widely used NATO standard fleet tactical code system that we use among allied nations and I was trying (in vain) to show them how to say what they wanted to say. I literally wrote out word for word what they needed to pass over the rt circuit and they still refused to believe that I was correct...and continued passing incomprehensible gibberish over the airwaves..
问：你觉得是什么造成这些的，是因为他们没受过训练么？他们的船是不是超员了呢？我在印度有雇当地一些人，当他们对眼前的状态缺乏认知时，他们习惯楞在哪儿啥都不做而不是向我询问。他们擅长重复地做同一件事，可当我仅告诉他我想要的结果而不教给他们手段，他们就蒙了。
答：嗯，鉴于美国的船是如此的缺员（咱们的巡洋舰和驱逐舰都是），平均来说，我们的船上比预设的少了20～30人。所以比起人数的问题，我觉得应该是训练的过。因为他们船上晃荡来晃荡去啥都不干的人的数量已经够用来开这艘船了。
我同意你上面说的，我们和盟国常用北约标准战术加密系统，可这帮家伙却是破译或加密真的很有问题。我曾尝试教他们该怎么去说想说的话，我甚至是拿出纸和笔把一字一句都写出来，可他们仍拒绝相信我是对的，继续用他们那些难以理解的胡言乱语去污染频道。
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NROTC Midshipman here. I didn't know CRUDES were undermanned – why is that? Also, what rank are you? Ship? How do I not suck as an officer?
CRUDES are very undermanned. USS LASTSHIP (flight I DDG) was at 262 when I left. The ships were built for about 315. Cruisers weren't quite as bad, but they're still lacking people as well.
I'm a LTJG. Won't tell you what ship I was on, just know that it's a DDG out of Yoko.
As for how to not suck as an officer? LISTEN TO YOUR CHIEF, YOUR FIRST CLASS, AND YOUR ****-HOT SECOND CLASSES. Always trust your people until they give you a reason not to.
问：我是海军预备役学员准尉，我才知道原来咱们的巡洋/驱逐舰缺员。为啥会这样呢？另外，你的军衔是什么？我想当个好军官的话，该做些什么呢？
答：咱们的巡洋/驱逐舰缺员非常严重，我退役前，伯克 flight I上乘员是262个，可这船标准乘员数是315个。巡洋舰好一些，但还是缺员。我是一个中尉,但我不能告诉你我曾经在哪儿艘舰上服役。 你知道是以横须贺为母港的就成了。怎么才能当个好军官啊？听取别人的意见，包括你的的一级军士长，还有上士和中士们，坚持信任自己人，除非他们证明自己不值得信赖。
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Thanks for the AMA. Did you or any other USNS staff point out these obvious failings to your counterparts? Or was it all just for show and you were basically told to endure.
Oh, the USNS released a full sitrep (situation report) afterwards. And I absolutely told my chain of command about all of this stuff. There is a very specific process that we go through upon returning from any foreign Navy ship. Basically, we sit down and chronicle our entire experience.
问：谢谢你的问答啊。你或者其他美海军乘员有给印度方面指出过这些这么明显的不足么？亦或说上级指示告诉你要忍耐？
答：哪儿啊，之后美国海军发布过一大篇的评估报告，而我也把我的所见所闻一五一十的上报了。对于从外军军舰交流归来的人员，我们有一整套严谨的汇报体系，基本上，我们得坐下来重头到尾一字不漏的报告。
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Do you think the Indian navy will take any of this advice to heart? DO they actually want to improve? Or will they just brush it off or even be offended that you are insulting their capabilities?
The latter. They pretty much wrote off every piece of advice that I humbly gave them in my time onboard.
问：你觉得印度海军会真心听取这些建议么？他们是真心想改进 呢，还是说他们会敷衍过去，甚至说会觉得受到冒犯或侮辱？
答：后者呗，我在船上给他们提意见他们压根不搭理我。
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Were there sensitive areas onboard the Indian ship you weren't allowed to enter? And vice versa, were the Indian exchange officers allowed to see the US ships in their entirety?
I saw some, but not all of their fire control spaces. I saw their "ops room" - basically their version of the Combat Information Center. However, I would guarantee that I didn't see everything that there was to see.
And no Ally really truly ever sees every space on a US ship. There are spaces on our ships that even 99% of the ships crew isn't allowed to see. And that's all I have to say about that.
问：船上有没有什么敏感部位是印度人不准你进入的？翻过来说，我们会让印度人参观我们船的每个部位么？
答：他们的火控室我只看见了一部分。我看见了他们的“行动室”，基本上就是我们的战斗信息中心，不过我可以保证美国没让任何一个盟友完全地看过咱们的船，有些部位甚至是99%的自己的船员都不让看的。我只能说那么多。
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What is your opinion about their war capability?
Truthfully, after touring their ship extensively I would be very much surprised if the majority of their armament even successfully fired, let along hit anything.
问：你觉得他们战斗力是...？
答：老实说，看完他们的船以后，要是他们的船能开火，我就已经会很惊讶了。别说能打中些什么。
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How much of the poor conditions do you think can be attributed to poor funding/resources as opposed to the service not giving a ****?
90% of it was the service not giving a ****. Their wardroom (where the officers ate/hung out) was EXTREMELY nice, clean, well-decorated, had a fully-stocked bar with and nice oil pantings and other contemporary decor...but the rest of the ship was a complete and utter pigsty.
问：你觉得资金缺乏或者人员态度的问题谁是造成印度装备状况差的原因，占多大比例？
答：90%都是因为印度海军人员那爱理不理，谁爱理谁理的操蛋态度造成的。他们的军官休息室豪华得一比那样，超干净，还有一个藏酒齐全的酒吧，还有漂亮油画啥的。然而船的其他部位就跟猪窝一模一样。
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As a sailor....I'm so sorry sir! How the **** did you end up with such shitty orders though?
I bet a deployment on a big deck is looking mighty fine after this!
It's all good. I enjoyed 7th Fleet and my time on a FDNF DDG taught me a LOT. I'm not a SWO anymore (I lat transferred to IP - part of the IDC community) but I grew a lot as a person, and professionally, out in Yoko... I actually chose to go out there. I'd love to go back for shore duty, but I'd never go back to 7th Fleet for sea duty, ever.
问：作为一个水兵...长官，我对你的遭遇非常遗憾，你怎么会接到那么一条SHI一样的命令？经历这么一出以后，被发配到两栖舰上服役成仙境奇缘了吧？
答：其实还不错，我很享受在第七舰队的经历。在前沿部署海军舰队的驱逐舰上服役的经历让我学到了许多。我现在已经不是水面作战舰艇军官了，我转职成了在横须贺就业的信息专业人员（IP，information professional)。我特意选在海外的。我很愿意回到岸上服役，只是不想再回到第七舰队执行海上任务了。
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That's a lot of acronyms. Any help for us rookies?
FDNF - Forward Deployed Naval Forces - this is how we refer to the US Navy's 7th Fleet, stationed in Yokosuka, Japan, because they are permanently forward deployed outside of the US.
DDG - The hull code for the kind of ship I was on - an Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer.
SWO - Surface Warfare Officer - what I used to be.
IP - Information Professional - what I am now (basically network security/networking management).
问：好多术语啊，照顾一下我这样的小白呗？
答：FDNF - Forward Deployed Naval Forces 前沿部署海军力量，我们就是这么称呼第七舰队的，基地在日本的横须贺，因为他们永久是远离本土部署的。
DDG - 舷号，我之前服役所在的阿里伯克级导弹驱逐舰。
SWO - Surface Warfare Officer
IP - Information Professional 我现在就干这个，基本上就说是网络安全，网络管理。
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How did the Indian officers visiting U.S. ships react?
From what I remember, they sent a Chief Petty Officer (E-7) equivalent over to our ship, an engineering type. From what everybody back on my ship told me (after I got back, of course), they guy walked through our ship and engineering spaces and was amazed at how clean everything was and, ironically, that we had hot running water all day.
问：印度海军军官参观了美国军舰后有啥反应？
答：我所记得的是，他们派来的军官相当于我们的个士官长，工程兵。后来我们船上的哥们儿告诉我说他穿过我们的工程舱，对干净的环境非常惊讶，而且讽刺的是，惊讶居然全天都有热水。
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How good was the curry?
Pretty much all of their food was really good, but then again, I'm a big fan of Indian cuisine. They were all actually pretty surprised that I readily ate whatever they put in front of me. I ate the **** out of whatever they served my entire time there.
问：咖喱有多好？
答：很不错，基本上他们的饭都很好。而且我本身就很喜欢咖喱，基本上不管他们给我乘了些什么我都吃的一干二净。
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How did you wind up being on board the ship? How were you rescued?
Well, I wasn't stranded or anything, so there wasn't a "rescue" per se. Basically, whenever the US does any sort of multi-naval exercise with other nations, it is pretty common that we exchange a few people from each ship as sort of a naval-cultural exchange. In this case, I was sent from a US Navy destroyer based out of Japan to the INS Delhi - the Indian Navy's flagship as part of an exercise that took place last March.
As for how I got there, we did a fairly massive passenger exchange that consisted of about 5-6 ships pulling up in basically a big circle within about 500 yards of one another and then we all dropped our small boats in the water, exchanges passengers, and that was that. It was a particularly choppy day at sea and most of us were sufficiently soaked.
问：你怎么会落得那么个下场，被送到那么一艘船去？你是怎么被救回去的？
答：呃，我不是被劫持了怎么的，所以也不是被“救”回去的。基本上，无论什么时候，美国海军跟别国海军联合军演的时候，双方都会互派人员留舰观察交流，这是国际上的惯例了。所以我的情节就是，美印联合军演，我作为驻守横须贺的美国驱逐舰的代表，送到印度德里号驱逐舰--印度海军旗舰上。实际上，由5～6艘舰之间进行了大量的人员交流，我们都把小艇放到海上，交换着乘员，就是那样。那天天气不怎么样，我们身上都湿透了。
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Holy crap, that was their FLAGSHIP?
They had a 2-star admiral embarked...lol.
问：我擦，那玩意儿是他们的旗舰？
答：哈哈，有个两颗星的海军少将在那船上。
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Describe some of the smells?
The ship generally smelled "old". I dunno if you have every been on a ship - namely a warship - before, but this one smelled like it was ******* from the inside out. Rust, decaying paint, dirty spaces, mechanical fumes...it generally smelled musty, I guess is the best way to describe it. Imagine if you farted in a vacuum and then immediately sealed the door, and then you opened said door 10 years later...that's what their ship smelled like pretty consistently.
问：形容一下那船上的气味呗
答：基本上那船的味道很“旧”，我不知道你以前有没有坐过船，特别是战舰。这一艘啊，闻起来就跟从里到外都腐烂了一样。生锈，褪色的油漆，肮脏的船舱，机械的油烟味。大致上就跟发霉了一样的气味吧...这么说吧，这么说最形象：想象你在一个真空的房间放屁，然后立即把门关上封死。十年以后再把门打开，他们那艘船大概就是这意思。
注：此文是美国reddit上某美海军第七舰队伯克级驱逐舰上的军官所作，这家伙在印美联合演习时，在印度海军新德里号驱逐舰上待了5天。内容主要关于他在那5天里的见闻。此文以问答形式进行。原文作者的身份咱坛子里有人去确认过，确实是个前美国海军军官，他的youtube帐号上有其在海军学院当学员的视频，从舰桥上拍摄的，伯克舰炮实弹射击的视频，以及横须贺跨年烟花表演的视频。
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I see a lot of disappointments/shock in your comments. Were there any positives? Did they have good food?
Actually, their food was excellent. They also made really good tea, too. I drank nothing but hot milk tea my entire 5 days there because I was afraid of drinking the water (I saw their reverse osmosis units, dear god).
问：我看到你的评论里表达很多失望和震惊，就没什么值得称道的么？他们提供的伙食好么？
答：说实话，他们的伙食很棒。他们煮的茶也非常好。那5天里我什么都没喝，除了热奶茶。
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How bad was it?
15+ years old and they looked like nobody had done any maintenance in the last 5+ years. Their ROs were in such poor shape that despite having a greater fresh water production capacity than my ship by several thousand gallons, they were still on water hours.
问：这船到底有但烂？
答：15年以上的舰龄，但看起来像是近5年内没进行过任何维护。他们的逆渗透净水器的状况非常杯具，以至于即便他们的净水器比我们的在产能上多了几千加仑，他们却只能在限定时段供水。
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How do they runs things differently then the USN?
Their engineering practices were abysmal. No undershirts, no steel-toed boots - they wore sandals - no hearing protection in their engineering spaces. No lagging (sound dampening material) in any space. No electrical safety whatsoever. No operational risk management. No concept of safety of navigation. Absolutely did not adhere to rules of the road. They more or less did not have any hard-copy written procedures for any exercise or event, at all. They had no concept of the coded fleet tactical system that US coalition forces and allies utilize (they literally made it up as they went along, and when I tried to interject and explain to them how it worked, they ignored me). When I arrived onboard they thought I was a midshipman and treated me as such. I had to be frank and explain that I was a commissioned officer and that yes, I stood officer on the deck onboard my ship and was a qualified surface warfare officer. They don't entrust their people with any responsibility until they are very senior Lieutenants (O-3s) and junior Lieutenant Commanders (O-4s). At this point in the US Navy there are literally guys commanding ships, and these guys couldn't even be trusted to handle a radio circuit.
问：他们的办事的方式和美国海军有何差别？
答：他们的工程操作糟透了。没人穿汗衫，没有铁头工地靴--他们穿拖鞋，工程区域没人采用听觉保护措施，任何区域都没有隔音材料，没有任何电气安全措施，没有风险管理机制，毫无导安全航行的概念，根本不遵守海上交通规则。大致上他们根本没有书面形式的操作规范，也从不对事件进行笔头记录，完全没有。他们对美国和盟国联军所用的编队战术加密系统（就是编队中舰与舰间在为编队战术进行沟通协调时所用的标准用语体系）毫无认识。他们在演习过程中居然从头到尾自己编着来。当我尝试帮忙并向他们解释正确的方法时，他们完全不尿我。我刚上舰的时候，他们还当我是一准尉般对待，我必须很直白告诉他们我是一个正式的职业军官，我在我的军舰上是有挥权的水面作战军官。在他们这里，除非是你是一名海军上尉，或者是海军少校，要么没人敢让你担当任何职责。在美海军的战舰上，有文化的家伙指挥军舰，而这帮玩意儿连摆弄个无线电都够呛。
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How knowledgeable did you find the officers to be?
Well, their captain was driving the ship when it came within 50ft of the stern of a USNS replenishment ship and at any given time there were multiple officers on the bridge screaming at each other. They were generally clueless and had almost zero seamanship skills. I found their enlisted guys to be far more competent than their officers on the bridge.
问：你觉得他们的军官水平怎们样？
答：呃，他们的上校（舰长？）指挥操舵的时候，直接把船开进离美国补给舰舰尾仅仅15米的距离。而且无论任何时候，舰桥里都有一群军官互相嚷嚷来嚷嚷去。大致上讲，他们的航海技术为0，大部分时间都不知道该干嘛。我觉得他们的一般的水兵比起他们的舰桥里军官似乎懂得还多不少。
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Why do you think they're so incompetent and have such crappy operations?
Well, coming within 50ft of another ship at sea is never a good sign. But, afterwards, the general consensus/excuse that they came up with during their mini-debrief was "oh well, rough seas, better luck next time" not "holy ******* ****, we parted a tensioned wire cable made of braided steel under hundreds of thousands of pounds of tension".
And wearing sandals during replenishment/helo ops/boat ops/in engineering spaces pretty much says it all. They legitimately didn't understand why I was wearing steel-toed flight deck boots.
Things like these aren't cultural differences, they are golden exhibitions of their sheer lack of common sense and seamanship.
问：你觉得他们为何会这么烂？
答：任何时候把自己的船开到离别人15米的距离都不是好事儿，然而，时候他们在汇报中冒出的理由居然是海况糟糕，下次运气会好些。而且无论是补给，直升机任务，交通艇任务，工程施工过程中，都穿着凉拖。他们完全不明白为什么我穿着铁头飞行甲板靴。这些问题可不仅仅是出于文化差异。他们毫无常识，航海技能也非常匮乏，简直是极品秀下限。
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1. Are you breaking any US Navy rules by telling us all this?
2. How did they do in the exercise? Did they get "sunk" five times or what?
3. Were there equivalent Indian Navy personnel on a US Navy ship and do you happen to know their assessment? Were they disappointed by the lack of slaves?
4. Let's say **** hits the fan. India and Pakistan (or any other country. Take your pick) are at war and the ship you were on is sent into action. Would they be an effective fighting force or are they on the bottom of the ocean before the first day of shooting?
Great AMA btw!
1. I'm not breaking any rules in telling you this.
2. It wasn't a wargame-type exercise. It was basically one big five-day photo op.
3. I only have second-hand information about the Indian equivalent that came onboard my ship, but from what I understand he was impressed by the cleanliness of the ship and amazed that we had hot running water all day...
4. Truthfully - bottom of the ocean. I would be surprised if most of their gear worked. The stuff I saw (I got a pretty extensive tour) looked like it fell straight out of the 60s and 70s and I would be genuinely flabbergasted if they got any rounds off. They could barely avoid hitting other ships in the middle of the Pacific, I doubt they'd be popping off any rounds with any amount of accuracy.
问：1.你跟我们说这些不会喝茶吧？
2.他们在演习中表现如何？不会被击沉5次吧？
3.美军的军舰上有和你一样的交换人员么？他们提出的评价如何？
4.假如说吧，便便打到电风扇了，印度跟巴基斯坦或者随便哪个国家打了起来，而你刚好在印度军舰上并上了战场，他们将会是作战力强大的武装还是说第一天就去喂鱼养珊瑚了？另外，很棒的问答！！
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1.不会喝茶
2.这并不是一次战斗演习，顶多是个大规模的宣传活动罢了。
3.我只是听说了些关于被派到我的穿上的印度军官的事儿。他看见我们的军舰那么干净而且居然全天有热水供应很惊讶。
4.实话么，喂鱼养珊瑚吧。看到他们的装备居然还能使我已经很惊讶了。他们的东西给我的感觉像是6、70年代穿越过来的。所以能开火就已经阿弥陀佛了。然而鉴于他们在太平洋里都几乎避不开别的船只看来，即便开了火也不见得能打着些什么。
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I read 'Indian Navy' and I immediately pictured a ridiculously crowded boat, with everyone living(?) in squalor. Is that at all the case?
Actually, yes. Before I came onboard I was told to bring my own roll of toilet paper, if that alludes to the conditions that they live in at all. There was actually toilet paper aboard their ship. It was thinner than one-ply, if that's possible. I might as well have been wiping my *** with my bare hand.
After a particularly wet small boat ride over to their ship, I was dying to get out of my sea water-drenched uniform and into a fresh one (unfortunately, my entire bag was completely soaked to include my shirts, underwear, spare uniform, phone, camera, and my roll of toilet paper)...
I walked into their "officer's head" (their are extremely, extremely hierarchical and classist, even from a military standpoint) and there was a good 2" of ****-water sloshing around back and forth across the deck and an obscure, probably live wire with it's end wrapped in electrical tape non-surreptitiously protruding from the wall.
They have an entire "class" of civilians onboard. I still don't know what to make of them. I think they were some sort of cheap labor, but everybody onboard referred to them as slaves. As in, they used the word "slave". Anyways, the quarters those guys lived in was awful, it was basically a big open space partitioned with a sheet. They slept on a steel deck with a simple blanket and a pillow. Good times.
Their enlisted guys didn't have it much better. Their berthing was infested with rats (a guy from my ship swore up and down that he saw a rat that was no-**** the length of his arm) and another US sailor from another ship came back covered in bed-bug sores. Dude looked like he had ******* chicken pocks.
问：我读了《印度海军》，并马上就想象到了一艘挤满了人的船，而且都住在垃圾堆了。是这样的么？
答：没错。在我上船前就有人告诉我自己带手纸，虽然手纸对于那种生活环境的改善也不过是聊胜于无。不过他们的船上的厕所其实备手纸的，只是巨薄，几乎和赤手空拳抠菊花没差别。我所乘坐的开往他们的军舰的小艇巨小，我身上被海水浸透了。我迫不及待想换身干的制服，然而我的行李也全都湿透了，包括衬衫，内衣，备换的制服，电话，相机，包括我心爱的手纸。
我进了他们的"长官的头”（officer's head,就是军官用的厕所)，好家伙，真忒娘豪华，即便按照军用标准来看！然而忒么的地面居然有两英寸深的SHI水随船荡漾，而且还有裹着电工胶布，看样子像是通了电的电线从墙里伸了出来，光明正大地泡在这池混水中。
他们船上有好一伙不明真相的群众，到现在我都不知道他们是干嘛的。我猜他们是某种廉价劳工？可每个人都管他们叫奴隶，没错儿，是直呼他们为奴隶。这帮奴隶居住的角落的环境很糟糕，基本上就是在露天的硬地板上挂上一块大床单分割出一个角落，几个人就躺在光溜溜的甲板上盖上一张薄床单就这么睡。一般水兵也好不到哪儿去。他们睡的宿舍成了耗子繁殖基地。和我一起同来的哥们儿MLGB地骂着说他看见了一只跟他胳膊一般粗的耗子。来自另一艘军舰美国水兵回去后全身没有一处没被臭虫叮到，跟长满了水痘一般。
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Awesome AMA so far. I'm former US navy as well, so I can appreciate your shock and dismay at their abysmal practices.
1. What was your single biggest 'are you ******* kidding me' moment?
2. What was your biggest priority when you got back to your ship?
3. At any point did you consider trying to assume OOD for your own safety?
4. Will anyone important listen to your assessment of their battle-readiness?
Thanks in advance!
1. Have you ever seen a US ship do an unrep at sea? When we pull along side and shoot the shotline across (basically a thick piece of yarn for those who don't know) there's a nice soft tennis ball affixed to the end of it so that it'll bounce of the deck and someone can go retrieve it... the Indians shot a spear. A motherfucking spear. Like, a 16" long piece of metal with a point on the end....
2. Biggest priority was showering. I hadn't showered properly in almost 5 days, and all of my uniforms reeked of seawater.
3. I wouldn't dare try and assume the deck like that. Even on a US ship that would be extremely, extremely out of line. On a foreign Navy ship? **** it, I can swim... Honestly though, when they passed under (50 feet from) the replenishment ship, I was generally afraid they were going to collide. 50ft at sea is extremely, extremely close. I had to leave the bridge after that ****, I just couldn't stomach it anymore.
4. And yes, I wrote up a full-debrief afterwards that was read by my CO/XO and presumably ISIC.
问：好NB的问答，我也在美国海军服役过，我大概能理解你的震惊和对他们糟糕的表现所感到的沮丧
1.你碰到的最“我咧个擦，你忒娘的搞什么飞机”时刻是？？
2.你回到自己穿上后最先做的是？
3.你有没有为了自身安全，尝试自己代理值星官？
4.有没有哪个大人物会听取你的评估？
先表感谢～！
答：
1.你见过美国的舰艇进行航行中补给操作么？当两艘船并排靠拢后，我们会把缆绳发射到另一艘船上，实际上就是一个绳球，就跟一个小软网球一样，射到对方甲板上最多弹起下，对方捡起来就可以了。而印度人射的可是矛，忒娘真的是矛！16寸长带尖的金属矛！
2.洗澡。大概5天了我都没洗澡，身上都是盐巴。
3.这个真心不敢，在美国的军舰上这么干都是不可想象的，在外国的军舰上？我倒是会游泳...说实话，当两艘船相距不到15米，当时是真怕相撞。在海上15米是极端，极端地近的距离了。
4.嗯，当然，事后我写了一大篇的汇总给我的指挥官和直系上级。
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On an arbitrary scale from 1-10, 1 being full retard and ten being space marine quality training and efficiency, how would you rate their sailors quality?
3, at best. They had some marginally competent folks, but for every one person who was half-competent, there were 4 other guys just standing around looking clueless.
问：来个1-10评分吧。1是纯弱智，10是技术好到能把船开出宇宙。你觉得他们的水平能拿多少分？
答：3分打到头。他们当中有些将将及格的家伙，然而每1个这些半桶水的家伙，周围至少站着4个完全不知该干嘛的。
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Why do you think this is? Are those guys not trained? Are their ships "overstaffed"?
I have staff in India and find that there is a tendency to do nothing when they are unsure of something, instead of coming to me and asking for an explanation.
They were great at doing the same things over and over again, but when I simply asked for an outcome and expected them to figure out HOW to do it, they were stumped.
Well, considering how undermanned US ships are at the moment (our CRUDES - crusiers/destroyers) are, on average, missing about 20-30 people give or take - destroyers more so.... I would say that it's a fault in their training, because they have more than enough people running around not doing anything of particular use.
And I agree. These guys were having issues breaking/generating a fairly widely used NATO standard fleet tactical code system that we use among allied nations and I was trying (in vain) to show them how to say what they wanted to say. I literally wrote out word for word what they needed to pass over the rt circuit and they still refused to believe that I was correct...and continued passing incomprehensible gibberish over the airwaves..
问：你觉得是什么造成这些的，是因为他们没受过训练么？他们的船是不是超员了呢？我在印度有雇当地一些人，当他们对眼前的状态缺乏认知时，他们习惯楞在哪儿啥都不做而不是向我询问。他们擅长重复地做同一件事，可当我仅告诉他我想要的结果而不教给他们手段，他们就蒙了。
答：嗯，鉴于美国的船是如此的缺员（咱们的巡洋舰和驱逐舰都是），平均来说，我们的船上比预设的少了20～30人。所以比起人数的问题，我觉得应该是训练的过。因为他们船上晃荡来晃荡去啥都不干的人的数量已经够用来开这艘船了。
我同意你上面说的，我们和盟国常用北约标准战术加密系统，可这帮家伙却是破译或加密真的很有问题。我曾尝试教他们该怎么去说想说的话，我甚至是拿出纸和笔把一字一句都写出来，可他们仍拒绝相信我是对的，继续用他们那些难以理解的胡言乱语去污染频道。
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NROTC Midshipman here. I didn't know CRUDES were undermanned – why is that? Also, what rank are you? Ship? How do I not suck as an officer?
CRUDES are very undermanned. USS LASTSHIP (flight I DDG) was at 262 when I left. The ships were built for about 315. Cruisers weren't quite as bad, but they're still lacking people as well.
I'm a LTJG. Won't tell you what ship I was on, just know that it's a DDG out of Yoko.
As for how to not suck as an officer? LISTEN TO YOUR CHIEF, YOUR FIRST CLASS, AND YOUR ****-HOT SECOND CLASSES. Always trust your people until they give you a reason not to.
问：我是海军预备役学员准尉，我才知道原来咱们的巡洋/驱逐舰缺员。为啥会这样呢？另外，你的军衔是什么？我想当个好军官的话，该做些什么呢？
答：咱们的巡洋/驱逐舰缺员非常严重，我退役前，伯克 flight I上乘员是262个，可这船标准乘员数是315个。巡洋舰好一些，但还是缺员。我是一个中尉,但我不能告诉你我曾经在哪儿艘舰上服役。 你知道是以横须贺为母港的就成了。怎么才能当个好军官啊？听取别人的意见，包括你的的一级军士长，还有上士和中士们，坚持信任自己人，除非他们证明自己不值得信赖。
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Thanks for the AMA. Did you or any other USNS staff point out these obvious failings to your counterparts? Or was it all just for show and you were basically told to endure.
Oh, the USNS released a full sitrep (situation report) afterwards. And I absolutely told my chain of command about all of this stuff. There is a very specific process that we go through upon returning from any foreign Navy ship. Basically, we sit down and chronicle our entire experience.
问：谢谢你的问答啊。你或者其他美海军乘员有给印度方面指出过这些这么明显的不足么？亦或说上级指示告诉你要忍耐？
答：哪儿啊，之后美国海军发布过一大篇的评估报告，而我也把我的所见所闻一五一十的上报了。对于从外军军舰交流归来的人员，我们有一整套严谨的汇报体系，基本上，我们得坐下来重头到尾一字不漏的报告。
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Do you think the Indian navy will take any of this advice to heart? DO they actually want to improve? Or will they just brush it off or even be offended that you are insulting their capabilities?
The latter. They pretty much wrote off every piece of advice that I humbly gave them in my time onboard.
问：你觉得印度海军会真心听取这些建议么？他们是真心想改进 呢，还是说他们会敷衍过去，甚至说会觉得受到冒犯或侮辱？
答：后者呗，我在船上给他们提意见他们压根不搭理我。
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Were there sensitive areas onboard the Indian ship you weren't allowed to enter? And vice versa, were the Indian exchange officers allowed to see the US ships in their entirety?
I saw some, but not all of their fire control spaces. I saw their "ops room" - basically their version of the Combat Information Center. However, I would guarantee that I didn't see everything that there was to see.
And no Ally really truly ever sees every space on a US ship. There are spaces on our ships that even 99% of the ships crew isn't allowed to see. And that's all I have to say about that.
问：船上有没有什么敏感部位是印度人不准你进入的？翻过来说，我们会让印度人参观我们船的每个部位么？
答：他们的火控室我只看见了一部分。我看见了他们的“行动室”，基本上就是我们的战斗信息中心，不过我可以保证美国没让任何一个盟友完全地看过咱们的船，有些部位甚至是99%的自己的船员都不让看的。我只能说那么多。
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What is your opinion about their war capability?
Truthfully, after touring their ship extensively I would be very much surprised if the majority of their armament even successfully fired, let along hit anything.
问：你觉得他们战斗力是...？
答：老实说，看完他们的船以后，要是他们的船能开火，我就已经会很惊讶了。别说能打中些什么。
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How much of the poor conditions do you think can be attributed to poor funding/resources as opposed to the service not giving a ****?
90% of it was the service not giving a ****. Their wardroom (where the officers ate/hung out) was EXTREMELY nice, clean, well-decorated, had a fully-stocked bar with and nice oil pantings and other contemporary decor...but the rest of the ship was a complete and utter pigsty.
问：你觉得资金缺乏或者人员态度的问题谁是造成印度装备状况差的原因，占多大比例？
答：90%都是因为印度海军人员那爱理不理，谁爱理谁理的操蛋态度造成的。他们的军官休息室豪华得一比那样，超干净，还有一个藏酒齐全的酒吧，还有漂亮油画啥的。然而船的其他部位就跟猪窝一模一样。
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As a sailor....I'm so sorry sir! How the **** did you end up with such shitty orders though?
I bet a deployment on a big deck is looking mighty fine after this!
It's all good. I enjoyed 7th Fleet and my time on a FDNF DDG taught me a LOT. I'm not a SWO anymore (I lat transferred to IP - part of the IDC community) but I grew a lot as a person, and professionally, out in Yoko... I actually chose to go out there. I'd love to go back for shore duty, but I'd never go back to 7th Fleet for sea duty, ever.
问：作为一个水兵...长官，我对你的遭遇非常遗憾，你怎么会接到那么一条SHI一样的命令？经历这么一出以后，被发配到两栖舰上服役成仙境奇缘了吧？
答：其实还不错，我很享受在第七舰队的经历。在前沿部署海军舰队的驱逐舰上服役的经历让我学到了许多。我现在已经不是水面作战舰艇军官了，我转职成了在横须贺就业的信息专业人员（IP，information professional)。我特意选在海外的。我很愿意回到岸上服役，只是不想再回到第七舰队执行海上任务了。
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That's a lot of acronyms. Any help for us rookies?
FDNF - Forward Deployed Naval Forces - this is how we refer to the US Navy's 7th Fleet, stationed in Yokosuka, Japan, because they are permanently forward deployed outside of the US.
DDG - The hull code for the kind of ship I was on - an Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer.
SWO - Surface Warfare Officer - what I used to be.
IP - Information Professional - what I am now (basically network security/networking management).
问：好多术语啊，照顾一下我这样的小白呗？
答：FDNF - Forward Deployed Naval Forces 前沿部署海军力量，我们就是这么称呼第七舰队的，基地在日本的横须贺，因为他们永久是远离本土部署的。
DDG - 舷号，我之前服役所在的阿里伯克级导弹驱逐舰。
SWO - Surface Warfare Officer
IP - Information Professional 我现在就干这个，基本上就说是网络安全，网络管理。
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How did the Indian officers visiting U.S. ships react?
From what I remember, they sent a Chief Petty Officer (E-7) equivalent over to our ship, an engineering type. From what everybody back on my ship told me (after I got back, of course), they guy walked through our ship and engineering spaces and was amazed at how clean everything was and, ironically, that we had hot running water all day.
问：印度海军军官参观了美国军舰后有啥反应？
答：我所记得的是，他们派来的军官相当于我们的个士官长，工程兵。后来我们船上的哥们儿告诉我说他穿过我们的工程舱，对干净的环境非常惊讶，而且讽刺的是，惊讶居然全天都有热水。
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How good was the curry?
Pretty much all of their food was really good, but then again, I'm a big fan of Indian cuisine. They were all actually pretty surprised that I readily ate whatever they put in front of me. I ate the **** out of whatever they served my entire time there.
问：咖喱有多好？
答：很不错，基本上他们的饭都很好。而且我本身就很喜欢咖喱，基本上不管他们给我乘了些什么我都吃的一干二净。
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How did you wind up being on board the ship? How were you rescued?
Well, I wasn't stranded or anything, so there wasn't a "rescue" per se. Basically, whenever the US does any sort of multi-naval exercise with other nations, it is pretty common that we exchange a few people from each ship as sort of a naval-cultural exchange. In this case, I was sent from a US Navy destroyer based out of Japan to the INS Delhi - the Indian Navy's flagship as part of an exercise that took place last March.
As for how I got there, we did a fairly massive passenger exchange that consisted of about 5-6 ships pulling up in basically a big circle within about 500 yards of one another and then we all dropped our small boats in the water, exchanges passengers, and that was that. It was a particularly choppy day at sea and most of us were sufficiently soaked.
问：你怎么会落得那么个下场，被送到那么一艘船去？你是怎么被救回去的？
答：呃，我不是被劫持了怎么的，所以也不是被“救”回去的。基本上，无论什么时候，美国海军跟别国海军联合军演的时候，双方都会互派人员留舰观察交流，这是国际上的惯例了。所以我的情节就是，美印联合军演，我作为驻守横须贺的美国驱逐舰的代表，送到印度德里号驱逐舰--印度海军旗舰上。实际上，由5～6艘舰之间进行了大量的人员交流，我们都把小艇放到海上，交换着乘员，就是那样。那天天气不怎么样，我们身上都湿透了。
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Holy crap, that was their FLAGSHIP?
They had a 2-star admiral embarked...lol.
问：我擦，那玩意儿是他们的旗舰？
答：哈哈，有个两颗星的海军少将在那船上。
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Describe some of the smells?
The ship generally smelled "old". I dunno if you have every been on a ship - namely a warship - before, but this one smelled like it was ******* from the inside out. Rust, decaying paint, dirty spaces, mechanical fumes...it generally smelled musty, I guess is the best way to describe it. Imagine if you farted in a vacuum and then immediately sealed the door, and then you opened said door 10 years later...that's what their ship smelled like pretty consistently.
问：形容一下那船上的气味呗
答：基本上那船的味道很“旧”，我不知道你以前有没有坐过船，特别是战舰。这一艘啊，闻起来就跟从里到外都腐烂了一样。生锈，褪色的油漆，肮脏的船舱，机械的油烟味。大致上就跟发霉了一样的气味吧...这么说吧，这么说最形象：想象你在一个真空的房间放屁，然后立即把门关上封死。十年以后再把门打开，他们那艘船大概就是这意思。
你有资料？那拿出来给大家分析一下？
你认为33的电子有多强?
先说说。
你认为33的电子有多强?
先说说。
无语，厉害。
落后的经验几十年，都不如先进的经验一年有用
大人打不过小孩，所以跟小孩比很掉价？
落后的经验几十年，都不如先进的经验一年有用
落后的经验好歹也是经验。
三哥这种缺乏规章制度，口口相传，紫霞神功式的传功方式。
我怀疑他到底有没有积累出经验。
落后的经验好歹也是经验。
三哥这种缺乏规章制度，口口相传，紫霞神功式的传功方式。
我怀疑他到底有没有积累出经验。
我是008 发表于 2016-2-4 11:02
你认为33的电子有多强?
先说说。
说啥？航电对于没有资料的非业内人士，就是个黑箱，大家随便YY，所以我根本就不把它当可进行对比的选项，你想比，那就该你拿资料。
你认为33的电子有多强?
先说说。
说啥？航电对于没有资料的非业内人士，就是个黑箱，大家随便YY，所以我根本就不把它当可进行对比的选项，你想比，那就该你拿资料。
我是008 发表于 2016-2-4 11:00
在海上，一寸长，一寸强。
作战半径比对手大100海里，都是致命的优势。
何况，辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
...
怎么长？辽宁能起降固定翼预警机都不知道是什么时候的事了，超日王也不会脱离图-142和P8的巡逻范围进行作战，哪来什么长短问题？
在海上，一寸长，一寸强。
作战半径比对手大100海里，都是致命的优势。
何况，辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
...
怎么长？辽宁能起降固定翼预警机都不知道是什么时候的事了，超日王也不会脱离图-142和P8的巡逻范围进行作战，哪来什么长短问题？
你认为33的电子有多强?
先说说。
苏33的雷达应该是倒卡吧？
先说说。
苏33的雷达应该是倒卡吧？
说啥？航电对于没有资料的非业内人士，就是个黑箱，大家随便YY，所以我根本就不把它当可进行对比的选项， ...
按你的理论，f14应该吊打f18ef
按你的理论，f14应该吊打f18ef
我是008 发表于 2016-2-4 11:18
按你的理论，f14应该吊打f18ef
大家用如果用同一档次航电，大猫当然吊打超虫，现在是有确切资料证明超虫的航电比大猫强，当然就可以比；你要有现役的米格-29K和歼-15航电的确切资料，那就拿出来比；拿不出来，就别比，因为那只能是空对空打嘴仗。
按你的理论，f14应该吊打f18ef
大家用如果用同一档次航电，大猫当然吊打超虫，现在是有确切资料证明超虫的航电比大猫强，当然就可以比；你要有现役的米格-29K和歼-15航电的确切资料，那就拿出来比；拿不出来，就别比，因为那只能是空对空打嘴仗。
大家用如果用同一档次航电，大猫当然吊打超虫，现在是有确切资料证明超虫的航电比大猫强，当然就可以比； ...
有常识的人都该知道:中秋的电子设备与雷达，根本就不是纯制空的33可比的。
我就是有资料也不会泄给你
我还没疯。
你也不用激将，没用的。
有常识的人都该知道:中秋的电子设备与雷达，根本就不是纯制空的33可比的。
我就是有资料也不会泄给你
我还没疯。
你也不用激将，没用的。
我是008 发表于 2016-2-4 11:27
有常识的人都该知道:中秋的电子设备与雷达，根本就不是纯制空的33可比的。
我就是有资料也不会泄给你
...
嘿嘿，混CD这么多年，谁是什么斤两我心里会没数？我会激你？
讨论飞机最没意思就是扯航电，反正不真打起来谁都不知道那个黑箱究竟有多大能耐，大家随便YY吹水。
有常识的人都该知道:中秋的电子设备与雷达，根本就不是纯制空的33可比的。
我就是有资料也不会泄给你
...
嘿嘿，混CD这么多年，谁是什么斤两我心里会没数？我会激你？
讨论飞机最没意思就是扯航电，反正不真打起来谁都不知道那个黑箱究竟有多大能耐，大家随便YY吹水。
altaynavy 发表于 2016-2-4 10:22
超旺从军舰到飞机就是缩小板的大辽！
舰体上库兹涅佐夫级就是放大的基辅级
超旺从军舰到飞机就是缩小板的大辽！
舰体上库兹涅佐夫级就是放大的基辅级
与其去口水29和15的问题，不如继续长时间吐槽没有档焰板的超日王的起飞效率。
我是008 发表于 2016-2-4 11:00
在海上，一寸长，一寸强。
作战半径比对手大100海里，都是致命的优势。
何况，辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
...
辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
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固定翼预警机在哪儿？ 没有的东西，就别拿出来说了。 美帝还向印度推销过鹰眼呢。
在海上，一寸长，一寸强。
作战半径比对手大100海里，都是致命的优势。
何况，辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
...
辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
－－－－－－－－－－－
固定翼预警机在哪儿？ 没有的东西，就别拿出来说了。 美帝还向印度推销过鹰眼呢。
超日的最早期设计有挡焰板，但效率还如目前的设计，远点起飞明显最佳，基本不用档焰板。
服役的时候Mig-29K已经是成品，而J-15还是半成品，为了赶上进度总师罗阳都累死在舰上
如果要说领先，也该是米高扬领先沈霍伊，和三哥有半毛钱关系
说三哥的航母经验超过土共，那只是指在战争中应用航母的经验，而具体的操作经验，大家都要差不多从头摸索STOBAR的操作
如果要说领先，也该是米高扬领先沈霍伊，和三哥有半毛钱关系
说三哥的航母经验超过土共，那只是指在战争中应用航母的经验，而具体的操作经验，大家都要差不多从头摸索STOBAR的操作
茫茫人海 发表于 2016-2-4 11:41
辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
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固定翼预警机在哪儿？ 没有的东西，就别拿出来说了。 ...
要是连核心技术是买不来的这个道理都不懂，就别说了
辽宁能起降固定翼预警机
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固定翼预警机在哪儿？ 没有的东西，就别拿出来说了。 ...
要是连核心技术是买不来的这个道理都不懂，就别说了
hase_back 发表于 2016-2-4 12:04
要是连核心技术是买不来的这个道理都不懂，就别说了
笑话，印度使用了55年的航母，先后3艘，核心技术还都是买的，没看见有什么不适。 澳大利亚，阿根廷，巴西，加拿大，荷兰，都操作过航母，没一家真的有过什么所谓的核心技术。
要是连核心技术是买不来的这个道理都不懂，就别说了
笑话，印度使用了55年的航母，先后3艘，核心技术还都是买的，没看见有什么不适。 澳大利亚，阿根廷，巴西，加拿大，荷兰，都操作过航母，没一家真的有过什么所谓的核心技术。
茫茫人海 发表于 2016-2-4 12:08
笑话，印度使用了55年的航母，先后3艘，核心技术还都是买的，没看见有什么不适。 澳大利亚，阿根廷，巴 ...
所以说这就是差距，处处受制于人的差距
笑话，印度使用了55年的航母，先后3艘，核心技术还都是买的，没看见有什么不适。 澳大利亚，阿根廷，巴 ...
所以说这就是差距，处处受制于人的差距
hase_back 发表于 2016-2-4 12:09
所以说这就是差距，处处受制于人的差距
印度的航母还没处处受制于过任何人，用的好好的。 以印度的军费水平，能有目前的这个摊子，全球也找不出来2个。
所以说这就是差距，处处受制于人的差距
印度的航母还没处处受制于过任何人，用的好好的。 以印度的军费水平，能有目前的这个摊子，全球也找不出来2个。
为了比上超日王，要不要把辽宁号改为砍王号？
茫茫人海 发表于 2016-2-4 12:11
印度的航母还没处处受制于过任何人，用的好好的。 以印度的军费水平，能有目前的这个摊子，全球也找不 ...
我搞不懂印度到底有多大的摊子啊？空军半死不活，海军就指着两艘低价买来的快报废的破航母，难道是陆军的宇宙第一坦克“阿琼”？还是几百辆从大毛买来的t90？或者是所谓的几十万山地部队？要是部署在山区的部队就能叫山地部队的话，那山地部队真不值钱。
印度的航母还没处处受制于过任何人，用的好好的。 以印度的军费水平，能有目前的这个摊子，全球也找不 ...
我搞不懂印度到底有多大的摊子啊？空军半死不活，海军就指着两艘低价买来的快报废的破航母，难道是陆军的宇宙第一坦克“阿琼”？还是几百辆从大毛买来的t90？或者是所谓的几十万山地部队？要是部署在山区的部队就能叫山地部队的话，那山地部队真不值钱。
hk83797051 发表于 2016-2-4 14:52
我搞不懂印度到底有多大的摊子啊？空军半死不活，海军就指着两艘低价买来的快报废的破航母，难道是陆军的 ...
印度有核武和堪用的中长程导弹，海军有14艘潜艇， 2艘航母，10艘驱逐舰，16艘护卫舰，空军有800架作战飞机，240架运输机，陆军有近3000辆的主战坦克，2000辆步兵战车，2000多门大口径火炮。 总兵力130万人，对于军费开支世界排名第9，这摊子不算小吧。
我搞不懂印度到底有多大的摊子啊？空军半死不活，海军就指着两艘低价买来的快报废的破航母，难道是陆军的 ...
印度有核武和堪用的中长程导弹，海军有14艘潜艇， 2艘航母，10艘驱逐舰，16艘护卫舰，空军有800架作战飞机，240架运输机，陆军有近3000辆的主战坦克，2000辆步兵战车，2000多门大口径火炮。 总兵力130万人，对于军费开支世界排名第9，这摊子不算小吧。
印度的航母还没处处受制于过任何人，用的好好的。 以印度的军费水平，能有目前的这个摊子，全球也找不 ...
那是还没有发生过有损提供国利益事件，和平时这些就是花钱花人力的摆设品，哭泣国就是前车之鉴
那是还没有发生过有损提供国利益事件，和平时这些就是花钱花人力的摆设品，哭泣国就是前车之鉴
目前服役的米格-29K和苏-33相比，除了弹程指数差一些，其他都不差。
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茫茫人海 发表于 2016-2-4 15:08
印度有核武和堪用的中长程导弹，海军有14艘潜艇， 2艘航母，10艘驱逐舰，16艘护卫舰，空军有800架作战 ...
原来是数量致胜论，海军到目前为止算上下水的也只有3艘有盾，航母是破烂，核潜艇是租的，所谓的“自建国产”核潜艇不知啥时下水服役；800架作战飞机里只有不到300架堪用；其实有4000辆主战坦克，其中3000辆是T55和T72，估计其中有一部分是前苏联无偿捐助的，步兵战车和火炮也是如此。就这些破铜烂铁你说能花多少钱？？？每年400亿美元的军费买了这些东西很超值么？
印度有核武和堪用的中长程导弹，海军有14艘潜艇， 2艘航母，10艘驱逐舰，16艘护卫舰，空军有800架作战 ...
原来是数量致胜论，海军到目前为止算上下水的也只有3艘有盾，航母是破烂，核潜艇是租的，所谓的“自建国产”核潜艇不知啥时下水服役；800架作战飞机里只有不到300架堪用；其实有4000辆主战坦克，其中3000辆是T55和T72，估计其中有一部分是前苏联无偿捐助的，步兵战车和火炮也是如此。就这些破铜烂铁你说能花多少钱？？？每年400亿美元的军费买了这些东西很超值么？
伊卡洛斯027 发表于 2016-2-4 11:00
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