迪拜航展FC31 数据和2015第十六届北京国际航空展览会FC ...

数据来源兵工科技2015.24  期   有去现场朋友  希望能提供现场照片。。。

一个是作战半径，一个是最大航程，不一样吧。

要黑鹘鹰的时候，没头没尾没展板没图片没链接，自己打印一张纸当证据；
要捧J10的时候，航展官方公开的展板都不能作数了……

那就折个中好了，这样也挺好

没有数架实机在天上灰来灰去之前，所有的数据都不作数。

小二黑要想成功还得看自身实力啊，歼10成功根源是这货上天能匹敌重型机，鹘鹰要是能利用后发优势空战匹敌f22、歼20就稳了

我就是想看看31的高科技。。。。

仅仅“超过”2000KM的航程，还是带副油箱条件下，内油作战半径难以到7/800KM。

一般算法是陆上是总航程三分之一吧  作战半径  ，按表面意思  理解  带副油箱条件下  肯定不到700、800公里

小镇悠哉 发表于 2015-12-23 09:57
仅仅“超过”2000KM的航程，还是带副油箱条件下，内油作战半径难以到7/800KM。

一般算法是陆上是总航程三分之一吧  作战半径  ，按表面意思  理解  带副油箱条件下  肯定不到700、800公里

仅仅“超过”2000KM的航程，还是带副油箱条件下，内油作战半径难以到7/800KM。

撑死500。
所以说，黑到深处，自然假。

照此来看，FC-31如果在价格上控制在8000千万美元左右，还是有一定的外销空间的。如果上了1亿，基本没戏。毕竟有钱的主都是美国小弟，买F35去了，剩下的基本都是手头不太富裕的。
2吨的内弹仓载荷对于中型机来说，中规中矩。不过外挂副油箱才有2000km的航程，内油作战半径非常捉鸡啊。

非常不看好FC31，这个弹仓也就是挂载四枚中距弹，如果换成对地攻击武器，也就是类似于美帝SDB的导弹，因为用了双发，弹仓很浅，更大型的武器恐怕都没办法挂载。

都说是F35太强调对地攻击能力，但这种隐身四代机，很多国家也就是只能装备一款，必须要具备对地攻击能力，但FC31连这个能力也太过勉强


非常不看好FC31，这个弹仓也就是挂载四枚中距弹，如果换成对地攻击武器，也就是类似于美帝SDB的导弹，因为用了双发，弹仓很浅，更大型的武器恐怕都没办法挂载。

都说是F35太强调对地攻击能力，但这种隐身四代机，很多国家也就是只能装备一款，必须要具备对地攻击能力，但FC31连这个能力也太过勉强

目测这又是个非常非常火的帖子！

对比下F35的弹仓

能挂8枚近程弹？？？？疑惑中

到底怎么挂的导弹，量比歼20主弹仓还大。

谁说迪拜航展中航公布的航程是2000公里的？
看看下面国外网站报道，红色字体数据和北京航展同样的作战半径1200公里，合648海里。

https://www.flightglobal.com/new ... alth-fighte-418777/
DUBAI: Customer sought for AVIC’s new stealth fighter

    08 November, 2015 BY: Greg Waldron Singapore

Chinese airframer AVIC has delivered a shock at Dubai by revealing a surprising level of detail about its proposed FC-31 Gyrfalcon fifth-generation multi-role fighter, even though the type has yet to secure a launch customer.

The aircraft being promoted appears to be a follow-on development of the company’s J-31, a mysterious black fighter aircraft that appeared in at the flying display at Airshow China in Zhuhai last November. The J-31 had its first flight in 2012, but virtually no details have been publicly released.

In a Dubai press briefing, Gyrfalcon designer Lin Peng said the FC-31 is envisaged as a low-observable jet with “multi-spectrum, low-observability characteristics.”

The fighter will be capable of a range of missions, including offensive/defence counter air, deep strike, suppression of enemy air defences, interdiction, close air support, and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.

In a video shown during the presentation, a squadron of FC-31s communicated with each other through secure datalinks. Another slide showed how the aircraft’s small cross section reduces the threat radius of enemy sensors and weapons.

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No details were given about the FC-31’s sensor suite or weapons, but AVIC says this equipment and communications equipment can be tailored to customer requirements.

The aircraft has six external hardpoints, with an internal weapons bay that can carry a further four munitions. Payload is 8,000kg (17,600lb), of which 2,000kg can be carried internally. Combat radius with internal weapons is 648nm (1,200km), and maximum take-off weight is 25,000kg (55,000lb).

The first flight of a production example is planned for 2019, followed by initial operating capability in 2022 and final operating capability three years' later.

AVIC’s disclosures were striking given the veil of secrecy that has covered the J-31 programme – at Zhuhai, company representatives flatly declined to discuss the aircraft or its performance characteristics.

Still, there is a great deal of mystery about the FC-31. AVIC did not allow time for a question and answer session after the briefing, obliging reporters to crowd around executives as they attempted to exit the chalet.

During this ad hoc Q&A it emerged that the FC-31 has yet to find a launch customer, although there are discussions with the Chinese air force. Executives also decline to comment on the engines that power the J-31, believed to be the Klimov RD-93s that power the RAC MiG-29, or the powerplants for the FC-31.

Achieving the first flight in 2019 is also contingent upon securing a "well-funded" customer, it says.


谁说迪拜航展中航公布的航程是2000公里的？
看看下面国外网站报道，红色字体数据和北京航展同样的作战半径1200公里，合648海里。

https://www.flightglobal.com/new ... alth-fighte-418777/
DUBAI: Customer sought for AVIC’s new stealth fighter

    08 November, 2015 BY: Greg Waldron Singapore

Chinese airframer AVIC has delivered a shock at Dubai by revealing a surprising level of detail about its proposed FC-31 Gyrfalcon fifth-generation multi-role fighter, even though the type has yet to secure a launch customer.

The aircraft being promoted appears to be a follow-on development of the company’s J-31, a mysterious black fighter aircraft that appeared in at the flying display at Airshow China in Zhuhai last November. The J-31 had its first flight in 2012, but virtually no details have been publicly released.

In a Dubai press briefing, Gyrfalcon designer Lin Peng said the FC-31 is envisaged as a low-observable jet with “multi-spectrum, low-observability characteristics.”

The fighter will be capable of a range of missions, including offensive/defence counter air, deep strike, suppression of enemy air defences, interdiction, close air support, and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.

In a video shown during the presentation, a squadron of FC-31s communicated with each other through secure datalinks. Another slide showed how the aircraft’s small cross section reduces the threat radius of enemy sensors and weapons.

Asset Image

BillyPix

No details were given about the FC-31’s sensor suite or weapons, but AVIC says this equipment and communications equipment can be tailored to customer requirements.

The aircraft has six external hardpoints, with an internal weapons bay that can carry a further four munitions. Payload is 8,000kg (17,600lb), of which 2,000kg can be carried internally. Combat radius with internal weapons is 648nm (1,200km), and maximum take-off weight is 25,000kg (55,000lb).

The first flight of a production example is planned for 2019, followed by initial operating capability in 2022 and final operating capability three years' later.

AVIC’s disclosures were striking given the veil of secrecy that has covered the J-31 programme – at Zhuhai, company representatives flatly declined to discuss the aircraft or its performance characteristics.

Still, there is a great deal of mystery about the FC-31. AVIC did not allow time for a question and answer session after the briefing, obliging reporters to crowd around executives as they attempted to exit the chalet.

During this ad hoc Q&A it emerged that the FC-31 has yet to find a launch customer, although there are discussions with the Chinese air force. Executives also decline to comment on the engines that power the J-31, believed to be the Klimov RD-93s that power the RAC MiG-29, or the powerplants for the FC-31.

Achieving the first flight in 2019 is also contingent upon securing a "well-funded" customer, it says.

对比下F35的弹仓
你拿张F35挂6中的PS图很好玩是吗？

连巴铁都看不上这。。。

能挂8枚SDB加两枚空空蛋， 打击能力刚刚的

照此来看，FC-31如果在价格上控制在8000千万美元左右，还是有一定的外销空间的。如果上了1亿，基本没戏。毕 ...
明显的扯淡数据，2000的航程，作战半径顶多600 这尼玛比歼十还差，你觉得fc31的身板比歼十如何？沈飞真这么脑残？

zaiyou001 发表于 2015-12-23 10:54
明显的扯淡数据，2000的航程，作战半径顶多600 这尼玛比歼十还差，你觉得fc31的身板比歼十如何？沈飞真这 ...
The aircraft has six external hardpoints, with an internal weapons bay that can carry a further four munitions. Payload is 8,000kg (17,600lb), of which 2,000kg can be carried internally. Combat radius with internal weapons is 648nm (1,200km), and maximum take-off weight is 25,000kg (55,000lb)

richie75 发表于 2015-12-23 09:10
数据来源兵工科技2015.24  期   有去现场朋友  希望能提供现场照片。。。

网站上有现成的介绍，请参考，谢谢！

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dubai-customer-sought-for-avics-new-stealth-fighte-418777/

DUBAI: Customer sought for AVIC’s new stealth fighter

08 NOVEMBER, 2015 BY: GREG WALDRON SINGAPORE
Chinese airframer AVIC has delivered a shock at Dubai by revealing a surprising level of detail about its proposed FC-31 Gyrfalcon fifth-generation multi-role fighter, even though the type has yet to secure a launch customer.

The aircraft being promoted appears to be a follow-on development of the company’s J-31, a mysterious black fighter aircraft that appeared in at the flying display at Airshow China in Zhuhai last November. The J-31 had its first flight in 2012, but virtually no details have been publicly released.

In a Dubai press briefing, Gyrfalcon designer Lin Peng said the FC-31 is envisaged as a low-observable jet with “multi-spectrum, low-observability characteristics.”

The fighter will be capable of a range of missions, including offensive/defence counter air, deep strike, suppression of enemy air defences, interdiction, close air support, and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.

In a video shown during the presentation, a squadron of FC-31s communicated with each other through secure datalinks. Another slide showed how the aircraft’s small cross section reduces the threat radius of enemy sensors and weapons.

Asset Image
BillyPix
No details were given about the FC-31’s sensor suite or weapons, but AVIC says this equipment and communications equipment can be tailored to customer requirements.

The aircraft has six external hardpoints, with an internal weapons bay that can carry a further four munitions. Payload is 8,000kg (17,600lb), of which 2,000kg can be carried internally. Combat radius with internal weapons is 648nm (1,200km), and maximum take-off weight is 25,000kg (55,000lb).

The first flight of a production example is planned for 2019, followed by initial operating capability in 2022 and final operating capability three years' later.

AVIC’s disclosures were striking given the veil of secrecy that has covered the J-31 programme – at Zhuhai, company representatives flatly declined to discuss the aircraft or its performance characteristics.

Still, there is a great deal of mystery about the FC-31. AVIC did not allow time for a question and answer session after the briefing, obliging reporters to crowd around executives as they attempted to exit the chalet.

During this ad hoc Q&A it emerged that the FC-31 has yet to find a launch customer, although there are discussions with the Chinese air force. Executives also decline to comment on the engines that power the J-31, believed to be the Klimov RD-93s that power the RAC MiG-29, or the powerplants for the FC-31.

Achieving the first flight in 2019 is also contingent upon securing a "well-funded" customer, it says.

哪一张图是PS的？
求大神的牛逼眼神指点，还是你认为F35根本就挂载不了六枚中距弹？

zgykk 发表于 2015-12-23 10:45
你拿张F35挂6中的PS图很好玩是吗？

哪一张图是PS的？
求大神的牛逼眼神指点，还是你认为F35根本就挂载不了六枚中距弹？

这张是PS的，是洛马努力的目标，现在还没有实现。注意看三枚中距离弹上的阴影完全一样，这对真正的照片来说是不可能的，另外那2枚中距弹后面的红色炸弹也能够看到一部分。

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真正实现的是这个，也就是挂2枚中距弹，下面图是抛放装在比较深的地方的中距弹测试图：

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davidxtb 发表于 2015-12-23 11:11
哪一张图是PS的？
求大神的牛逼眼神指点，还是你认为F35根本就挂载不了六枚中距弹？

这张是PS的，是洛马努力的目标，现在还没有实现。注意看三枚中距离弹上的阴影完全一样，这对真正的照片来说是不可能的，另外那2枚中距弹后面的红色炸弹也能够看到一部分。

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真正实现的是这个，也就是挂2枚中距弹，下面图是抛放装在比较深的地方的中距弹测试图：

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TSQ 发表于 2015-12-23 10:41
谁说迪拜航展中航公布的航程是2000公里的？
看看下面国外网站报道，红色字体数据和北京航展同样的作战半径 ...
如果你提供数据准确    也就说明兵工科技编辑  是瞎编   ？？？所以也没有现场图片

richie75 发表于 2015-12-23 11:20
如果你提供数据准确    也就说明兵工科技编辑  是瞎编   ？？？所以也没有现场图片
你把兵工科技的文章扫描全，很多不是编辑写的，是某个作者写的。

兵工科技的记者基本不会去迪拜这种很花钱的地方，他们杂志才赚多少钱。

richie75 发表于 2015-12-23 11:20
如果你提供数据准确    也就说明兵工科技编辑  是瞎编   ？？？所以也没有现场图片
你的意识是flightglobal造假喽？？？

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马上出发 发表于 2015-12-23 11:25
你的意识是flightglobal造假喽？？？
那你的理解？？？？

richie75 发表于 2015-12-23 11:28
编译   怪不得有这么大的问题
这基本就清楚他们写的东西不是第一手的。
飞行国际（flightglobal）是派自己的记者直接去的。

2,000kg can be carried internally. Combat radius with internal weapons is 648nm (1,200km), and maximum take-off weight is 25,000kg (55,000lb).

就认出个2000他认为靠谱的数据就凭空想象成最远航程超2000的想法，并写了出来……

哪一张图是PS的？
求大神的牛逼眼神指点，还是你认为F35根本就挂载不了六枚中距弹？
15楼最后一张就是如假包换的PS，目前的F35卦不了6中。

在军迷们中间被广泛传播的两个伪命题“美国没钱了”，“美国制造业不行了”，其实是小布什和奥观海这俩货在位期间白宫的控制力明显下降，而中国实实在在的崛起ing，论实力，超级大国仍然只有一个

richie75 发表于 2015-12-23 11:30
那你的理解？？？？
肯定有人在瞎写。你认为谁在瞎写？？

2019年完成首飞？？？这是哪大家开玩笑吗？？？

兔子现在中四主要还是发动机

临风168 发表于 2015-12-23 12:32
2019年完成首飞？？？这是哪大家开玩笑吗？？？
这个真的不好说