简氏杂志等英美专家热议俄军米-24武直在叙利亚超低空作 ...

这两架运输和炮艇两用的米-24攻击直升机作战风格勇敢强悍，技术水平过硬、攻击性强，竟然敢在树梢高度攻击敌军，已经远远超出了叙利亚政府军飞行员的水平，100%是俄罗斯的飞行员在驾驶。这两架米-24配备了两门新式的30mm机炮，而不是叙利亚政府军装备的老款米-24。

米-24还可以运载士兵进行空地协同作战，说明俄军地面特种部队也已经参战。

俄罗斯飞行员使用了贴着地面洗地的“地面杂波”（“ground clutter” ）战术，使得敌军的肩扛式导弹因为距离太近而无法使用。“地面杂波”是非常高级的战术，但也不能保证能完全阻止敌人的肩扛式导弹的发射，需要超人的勇气才敢用此战术。


Soon after Moscow began its air campaign in Syria, both supporters and opponents of the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad began posting videos of attacks by Russian Mi-24 attack helicopters, a hybrid transport aircraft and gunship unique to the Russian military. And it is the low-flying Mi-24, not warplanes flattening the Syrian landscape from thousands of feet up, that has the potential to hand Assad’s beleaguered military some much-needed battlefield wins.

The videos show the Mi-24s, also known as Hind helicopters, flying close to the ground — sometimes just above the treetops — and often in pairs, firing off barrages of rockets at nearby rebel positions.

Syrian pilots have long flown Russian helicopters, so there’s no way to conclusively tell who’s in the cockpit. But close observers of the conflict say it’s likely that Russians are piloting the aircraft because of the technical skill of the pilots and the fact that the specific models being flown are newer versions of the Mi-24s known to be in the Syrian arsenal. The helicopters shown in the recent videos, for instance, have two 30 mm guns instead of the single, smaller gun found on older models, according to Nick de Larrinaga, the Europe editor of Jane’s Defence Weekly.

Christopher Harmer, an analyst at the Institute for the Study of War and a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Navy, said a video of a pair of Mi-24s flying low to the ground and firing rockets showed a “top shelf, highly trained, very courageous, and highly aggressive Russian helicopter crew.”

“When you see higher quality airmanship and precision fires coming from helicopters, that’s 100 percent Russian pilots,” he said.

The skill of the Mi-24 pilots may be doubly important to Russia if the aircraft also happens to be carrying Russian troops. The Russian helicopter combines the attack capabilities of an American Apache helicopter with the troop-carrying capabilities of a U.S. Huey helicopter; Harmer said Washington has no exact parallel of the Mi-24 in its arsenal.

Since the Mi-24s combine heavy weaponry with a transport hull, they can ferry teams from Russia’s special operations divisions to the front line. That, in turn, could allow the Russian forces to focus on “directing airstrikes, calling in helicopter gunship support, and directing long-range air-to-surface and surface-to-surface missile fire,” Harmer said.

The entrance of Russian helicopter pilots into the Syrian theater of war could also help address what Harmer says is one of the Assad regime’s most worrisome problems: a steady loss of foot soldiers. The recent videos, said both Harmer and de Larrinaga, indicate a shift in helicopter tactics, whereby pilots are getting much closer to the ground than before and more precisely hitting targets in support of the allied troops doing the heavy fighting. The finesse of the Russian pilots is “a qualitative technical advantage that the Syrian military just doesn’t have; it’s going to significantly reduce Assad’s casualties,” Harmer said.

The rebels’ best defense against Russia’s favorite tool to mow them down? Man-portable air-defense systems, otherwise known as MANPADS, a weapon that Saudi Arabia has offered to rebels despite U.S. objections. They have proven “highly effective against helicopters” like the Mi-24, de Larrinaga said.

Mi-24 pilots are trying to close off that vulnerability by flying at incredibly low altitudes, which can fool the targeting systems of the MANPADS with what Harmer calls “ground clutter.” It’s not a fail-safe tactic; the MANPADS remain, at least for the moment, the rebels’ best hope for making Russia bleed for its actions in Syria. Insurgents are already claiming to have downed one of the attack helicopters. Whether the pilot inside was Russian or Syrian is unclear.



这两架运输和炮艇两用的米-24攻击直升机作战风格勇敢强悍，技术水平过硬、攻击性强，竟然敢在树梢高度攻击敌军，已经远远超出了叙利亚政府军飞行员的水平，100%是俄罗斯的飞行员在驾驶。这两架米-24配备了两门新式的30mm机炮，而不是叙利亚政府军装备的老款米-24。

米-24还可以运载士兵进行空地协同作战，说明俄军地面特种部队也已经参战。

俄罗斯飞行员使用了贴着地面洗地的“地面杂波”（“ground clutter” ）战术，使得敌军的肩扛式导弹因为距离太近而无法使用。“地面杂波”是非常高级的战术，但也不能保证能完全阻止敌人的肩扛式导弹的发射，需要超人的勇气才敢用此战术。


Soon after Moscow began its air campaign in Syria, both supporters and opponents of the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad began posting videos of attacks by Russian Mi-24 attack helicopters, a hybrid transport aircraft and gunship unique to the Russian military. And it is the low-flying Mi-24, not warplanes flattening the Syrian landscape from thousands of feet up, that has the potential to hand Assad’s beleaguered military some much-needed battlefield wins.

The videos show the Mi-24s, also known as Hind helicopters, flying close to the ground — sometimes just above the treetops — and often in pairs, firing off barrages of rockets at nearby rebel positions.

Syrian pilots have long flown Russian helicopters, so there’s no way to conclusively tell who’s in the cockpit. But close observers of the conflict say it’s likely that Russians are piloting the aircraft because of the technical skill of the pilots and the fact that the specific models being flown are newer versions of the Mi-24s known to be in the Syrian arsenal. The helicopters shown in the recent videos, for instance, have two 30 mm guns instead of the single, smaller gun found on older models, according to Nick de Larrinaga, the Europe editor of Jane’s Defence Weekly.

Christopher Harmer, an analyst at the Institute for the Study of War and a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Navy, said a video of a pair of Mi-24s flying low to the ground and firing rockets showed a “top shelf, highly trained, very courageous, and highly aggressive Russian helicopter crew.”

“When you see higher quality airmanship and precision fires coming from helicopters, that’s 100 percent Russian pilots,” he said.

The skill of the Mi-24 pilots may be doubly important to Russia if the aircraft also happens to be carrying Russian troops. The Russian helicopter combines the attack capabilities of an American Apache helicopter with the troop-carrying capabilities of a U.S. Huey helicopter; Harmer said Washington has no exact parallel of the Mi-24 in its arsenal.

Since the Mi-24s combine heavy weaponry with a transport hull, they can ferry teams from Russia’s special operations divisions to the front line. That, in turn, could allow the Russian forces to focus on “directing airstrikes, calling in helicopter gunship support, and directing long-range air-to-surface and surface-to-surface missile fire,” Harmer said.

The entrance of Russian helicopter pilots into the Syrian theater of war could also help address what Harmer says is one of the Assad regime’s most worrisome problems: a steady loss of foot soldiers. The recent videos, said both Harmer and de Larrinaga, indicate a shift in helicopter tactics, whereby pilots are getting much closer to the ground than before and more precisely hitting targets in support of the allied troops doing the heavy fighting. The finesse of the Russian pilots is “a qualitative technical advantage that the Syrian military just doesn’t have; it’s going to significantly reduce Assad’s casualties,” Harmer said.

The rebels’ best defense against Russia’s favorite tool to mow them down? Man-portable air-defense systems, otherwise known as MANPADS, a weapon that Saudi Arabia has offered to rebels despite U.S. objections. They have proven “highly effective against helicopters” like the Mi-24, de Larrinaga said.

Mi-24 pilots are trying to close off that vulnerability by flying at incredibly low altitudes, which can fool the targeting systems of the MANPADS with what Harmer calls “ground clutter.” It’s not a fail-safe tactic; the MANPADS remain, at least for the moment, the rebels’ best hope for making Russia bleed for its actions in Syria. Insurgents are already claiming to have downed one of the attack helicopters. Whether the pilot inside was Russian or Syrian is unclear.

大毛的确勇气超群，兔子得努力了

都看了，我还真要给毛子点赞。战斗民族不是用嘴吹出来的。

遇上几支RPG就完蛋。

勇气是够勇气的，不过这种高度也太容易被打下来了。

多亏有装甲。

为什么飞的这么低？乱枪扫射打中尾翼不是很危险么？

没啥特别的感觉，武直本来就是这么干活的

没玩惯例的莱维斯曼估计是为了避免进入防空导弹的射界

毛子炸逼舔地姿势很是销魂啊

有网友点评，其实这是叙利亚的飞机，不是俄罗斯的。俄直升机只担任守卫机场的任务。

本来多精彩的战斗视频的，结果b战的弹幕真是给力啊，你们没笑么？“I love Wifi！”

如果碰上兔子的民兵，分分钟给它捅下来

不过母鹿确实霸气，带着浓郁的战争气息

2485估 发表于 2015-10-14 21:54
勇气是够勇气的，不过这种高度也太容易被打下来了。
低空高机动反而不容易下来吧，不过对飞行员要求太高

这么低的高度这么慢的速度找死呢吧
如果远点有RPG就好玩了
反器材步枪一发销魂

看了那个雌鹿超低空飞行攻击的录像

真的十分佩服啊
训练充分   技艺了得   勇气十足

a  “top shelf, highly trained, very courageous, and highly aggressive Russian helicopter crew.”

觉得不太可能是毛子的武直。毛子的武直只部署在拉塔基亚机场，武直的作战半径很小，不太可能长距离奔赴作战

i lav wifi

超低空作战可以躱避雷达，但技朮要求高也很危险，直升机贵以后可能用螺旋桨无人机，低成本大量生产。

这么低的高度RPG都能打下来，根本不用单兵防空导弹。
还是不要这么干吧，勇气可嘉，但这种勇气不值得提倡，有点鲁莽，拿飞行员生命开玩笑。

xbtxdxx 发表于 2015-10-14 21:51
遇上几支RPG就完蛋。
这时候RPG远没有高炮好用，就阿拉伯人那水平提前量都没发算（直升机移动速度太快，一般人根本没法用RPG）

饱食而乱喷 发表于 2015-10-14 22:49
这么低的高度这么慢的速度找死呢吧
如果远点有RPG就好玩了
反器材步枪一发销魂
这么近反器材步枪反而看不见

seraph198019 发表于 2015-10-14 23:14
这时候RPG远没有高炮好用，就阿拉伯人那水平提前量都没发算（直升机移动速度太快，一般人根本没法用RPG）
正确，离开三十米开外RPG就打不准高机动的直升机

现在的肩扛弹具备复合制导，要是土鳖兔子造就捅下来了。

瞄准时间短   不容易捅

米-24还可以运载士兵进行空地协同作战，说明俄军地面特种部队也已经参战

谁能告诉我，这个专家是什么思维逻辑

超低空贴地飞行能让直升机暴露在每一个敌人面前仅几秒钟，而且如果不事先通知，敌人只听到飞机飞近却一时无法判断飞来的具体方向，因而很难使用RPG和防空导弹进行攻击，而米24的机身装甲足以抵挡步枪冲锋枪轻机枪子弹的攻击，唯一危险的是旋翼，不过这么近距离这么几秒钟时间要多次击中旋翼也非常困难，双方都在拼勇气和运气。

瞄准时间短   不容易捅

楼上嘲笑的人是不是COD打打多了。真以为打仗就是屏幕红了，找个地方多，就回血了？

I love WIFI，有人不同意吗？

如果碰上兔子的民兵，分分钟给它捅下来

不过母鹿确实霸气，带着浓郁的战争气息
成天打仗的恐怖分子战斗力连一年枪都摸不了几次的民兵都不如了？意淫也得有点限度

呵呵 这年头键盘兵王 键盘战斗大师真多。。。

俄罗斯直升机据说只负责防守机场，而且也也是老型号的米24P，估计用完直接就送叙利亚了。

很多人喜欢嚷嚷什么RPG啊，反器材步枪啊神马神马的。不错，这些都可以击落直升机，但是其难度之大恐怕超过一般人的想象。别把黑鹰坠落当常理。那是几千年难遇的运气才捅下来的~

乌拉咪咪 发表于 2015-10-15 00:50
成天打仗的恐怖分子战斗力连一年枪都摸不了几次的民兵都不如了？意淫也得有点限度
就不说能搞陆海防空网的上海民兵导弹分队这种编制了,中国那海量的民兵预备役高炮分队多的是防空部队退伍军人.而且这些单位本来就是准备正刚毛子大规模空降集团设立的.

米-24号称是“空中的步战车”，经常带着七、八个步兵进行特种作战，所以这些专家就想当然了，不过也只是说可能。

qd-sigma 发表于 2015-10-14 23:57
米-24还可以运载士兵进行空地协同作战，说明俄军地面特种部队也已经参战

谁能告诉我，这个专家是什么思 ...

米-24号称是“空中的步战车”，经常带着七、八个步兵进行特种作战，所以这些专家就想当然了，不过也只是说可能。

没啥特别的感觉，武直本来就是这么干活的

没玩惯例的莱维斯曼估计是为了避免进入防空导弹的射界
你没看文章吗？装内行，毛子的直升机已经进入射程了，他们是在冒险运用地面杂波战术使敌军的防空导弹受到地面杂波干扰没法发射。

我不想装内行，聪视频里看，那一带到处都是武装人员，并且都穿便衣，全部杀光绝对没有冤枉的，但是老米肯定会指责老毛子。

一般的反器材步枪其实也击不穿米-24坚固的装甲，就连座舱玻璃都打不穿！

亚伯拉悍马 发表于 2015-10-15 01:51
很多人喜欢嚷嚷什么RPG啊，反器材步枪啊神马神马的。不错，这些都可以击落直升机，但是其难度之大恐怕超过 ...

一般的反器材步枪其实也击不穿米-24坚固的装甲，就连座舱玻璃都打不穿！

成天打仗的恐怖分子战斗力连一年枪都摸不了几次的民兵都不如了？意淫也得有点限度
民兵能识字会算术，会基本电路，会机械组装。。。猪群除了会喊安拉胡阿克巴还会啥？任何一队训练一个月的民兵完灭打仗一年的恐怖猪头。