美国海军削减F35C采购数量,转而寻求防区外打击武器

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原文出处:F-35Cs Cut Back As U.S. Navy Invests In Standoff Weapons

作者:比尔 斯维特曼

来源:航空周刊与空间技术

这虽然可以发在海军版,但由于涉及到战斗机和武器系统的使用,故发在空军版,文章较长,没发全文翻译,只挑了我认为重要的一部分,抱歉

The U.S. Navy has reduced its planned buys of the Lockheed Martin F-35C Joint Strike Fighter by almost one-third over the fiscal 2016-2020 Future Years Defense Program (FYDP), while committing almost $800 million to new standoff weapon developments and canceling the only missile program that was primarily dedicated to the F-35C. All the new developments are part of the fiscal 2016 presidential budget proposal and constitute the first move by a U.S. service to slow down its JSF procurements.

2016-2010财年海军决定对35C的采购数量削减三分之一,与此同时投入八亿美元对新型防区外打击武器进行研发;并且取消唯一为了35而研发的导弹(AIM-9X,后面会说到)。这是目前为止第一次美国队联合战术攻击机计划的采购数量进行削减。

This year’s budget buys four F-35Cs, including two added late in 2014 by the lame-duck Congress. The Navy now plans to buy another four aircraft each in FY2016 and 2017. The rate ramps up slowly in the final three years of the FYDP, peaking at 12 aircraft in FY 2020 and buying 38 F-35Cs in the plan period. The FYDP includes 83 F-35Bs for the Marine Corps, unchanged from earlier years.

海军计划在16和17年分别采购4架战机,在财年计划的最后三年(18, 19, 20)逐步增加采购数量,2020年达到12架;给陆战队的35B采购计划不受此影响。

Under 2015 plans the Navy would have bought 54 F-35Cs in the FY16-20, with F-35C production reaching 20 per year in 2020. 19. The JSF Program Office states that “the Navy’s commitment to the program remains strong” and that it expects the Navy’s cutbacks to be offset by international JSF procurements.”

按照2015年的计划,海军打算在16-20财年中总共采购54架35C,而35C的生产率将在2020年达到每年20架。JSF项目办公室重申海军对该项目依然保持了高度的热情,并且他们预计削减的数量可以由海外采购数量来弥补。

The Navy says that the reduction is budget-driven. In fiscal 2020, each of the 12 F-35Cs has a gross weapon system unit cost of $144 million (44% more than the Air Force’s F-35A) and a flyaway cost of $131 million. The weapon system unit cost of the F-35B averages $147 million at its full 20/year production rate. In total, 2020 the Navy expects to spend $4.7 billion for 32 F-35s in 2020. In 2013, the service spent $3.7 billion for 49 new fighters, comprising 37 F/A-18E/Fs and 12 EA-18Gs.


The fiscal 2016 budget request would cancel the Raytheon AIM-9X Block III, an increased-range version of the air-to-air missile with a more powerful motor. In April 2014, AIM-9X program manager Capt. John Martins said that the Block III was primarily intended for the F-35C because it would permit the fighter to carry six beyond-visual range missiles: four AIM-120s internally and two Block IIIs on outer wing pylons. The Block III would have entered service by 2024. One element of the canceled project, a new warhead meeting insensitive munition standards, will continue into the AIM-9X program.

同样在16财年,专为其打造的AIM-9X block 3也将取消,原计划对该导弹装备更强大的发动机以增加射程。2014年4月,AIM-9X项目负责人称该导弹就是专为35打造的,这可以使35携带六枚超视距导弹:四枚内置120外加两枚外置AIM-9X。block 3原计划于2020年服役。

Two new initiatives cover standoff weapons launched outside the range of surface-to-air threats. The new-start Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER) gets $267 million in development funding across the 2016-20 FYDP and will mate the existing guidance system and warhead of the AGM-88E AARGM with a new motor. Two motor options were studied: dual-pulse for a 20-50% range improvement, or solid integrated rocket-ramjet for doubled range. Budget documents indicate that the Navy has chosen the rocket.

取而代之的防区外打击武器是全新曾程反辐射空对地导弹AARGM-ER,该计划提出了两种曾程方案:两阶段点火以增加20%到50%的射程,或火箭加冲压发动机组合以使射程扩大一倍,文件显示海军选择了第二套方案。相关信息请见附件

A new “precision strike weapons development program” funding line, budgeted at $510 million in the FYDP, primarily supports the new Next Generation Strike Capability effort, which combines two previous programs: Offensive Anti-Surface Warfare (OASuW) Increment II, a follow-on to Lockheed Martin’s Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (Lrasm) that would be capable of air and sea launch, and Next Generation Land Attack Weapon, a replacement for the Raytheon Tomahawk. NGSC could be either a common weapon or a family of weapons, but the goal is to use technologies “across multiple mission areas” to reduce cost. Near-term strike capability is to be provided by Lrasm and modernized Tomahawks – compensating for the wind-down of new Tomahawk production.

在“新一代精确打击武器”一行,新的财年计划将之前的两种武器系统的拨款结合到了一起。一种是对之前洛克希德马丁的远程反舰导弹(LRASM)方案的发展,该导弹可由空中和海上平台发射;另一种新一代功陆武器,即战斧升级。新一代打击武器(NGSC)既可以是一种通用武器也可以是武器家族,但无论如何,发展的目标就是该武器或武器族能够承担多种任务以降低成本。近期的打击能力还是由LRASM和现代化改装的战斧导弹完成。

The Navy’s budget priorities reflect the views of Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan Greenert. In June 2012, shortly after he was appointed as CNO, Greenert published an article in the Naval Institute’s Proceedings magazine that downplayed the importance of advanced platforms, including stealth aircraft, in favor of “payloads” including standoff weapons. Speaking to a Navy technology conference in Washington on Feb. 4, Greenert reemphasized these points, saying that any future fighter will likely "not be so super-fast because you can't outrun missiles, and not so super-stealthy because you can't be invisible. Stealth may be overrated," he said. "If you move fast through the air...that puts out heat and you are going to be detected."

在约翰逊 格林内特被任命为海军行动部门主管以后,他的观点是弱化先进平台(包括隐形战机),但却注重防区外武器的发展。他在2月份的海军科技会议上再次强调了这一点:未来的战斗机可能不会对速度和隐身性能提出太高的要求,因为你“再快也玩不过导弹,再隐身也不能消失”,他认为“隐身平台的能力被夸大了”。他同时指出:如果你的速度太快,你产生的热量将让你被轻而易举的探测到。

Also, demonstrations carried out by the Navy and Boeing in 2013 and 2014 have been aimed at using the EA-18G Growler’s ALQ-218(V)2 electronic surveillance measures system to detect and track moving or relocatables emitting targets at long range, with enough accuracy to launch a weapon at them. Both AARGM-ER and Lrasm already use advanced radio-frequency (RF) guidance and would be compatible with that approach, and Raytheon has demonstrated an RF-based passive seeker, with a millimeter-wave active terminal mode, as a Tomahawk upgrade.
同时,2013和14年由F-18G所展示的用电子侦测手段探测并追踪可移动目标,并发射武器进行打击(译者注:显然海军对之前演习中电子大黄蜂击落F-22表现出了兴趣)。升级版的战斧包括了现金电波导航系统,末端则使用毫米波主动制导。


原文出处:F-35Cs Cut Back As U.S. Navy Invests In Standoff Weapons

作者:比尔 斯维特曼

来源:航空周刊与空间技术

这虽然可以发在海军版,但由于涉及到战斗机和武器系统的使用,故发在空军版,文章较长,没发全文翻译,只挑了我认为重要的一部分,抱歉

The U.S. Navy has reduced its planned buys of the Lockheed Martin F-35C Joint Strike Fighter by almost one-third over the fiscal 2016-2020 Future Years Defense Program (FYDP), while committing almost $800 million to new standoff weapon developments and canceling the only missile program that was primarily dedicated to the F-35C. All the new developments are part of the fiscal 2016 presidential budget proposal and constitute the first move by a U.S. service to slow down its JSF procurements.

2016-2010财年海军决定对35C的采购数量削减三分之一,与此同时投入八亿美元对新型防区外打击武器进行研发;并且取消唯一为了35而研发的导弹(AIM-9X,后面会说到)。这是目前为止第一次美国队联合战术攻击机计划的采购数量进行削减。

This year’s budget buys four F-35Cs, including two added late in 2014 by the lame-duck Congress. The Navy now plans to buy another four aircraft each in FY2016 and 2017. The rate ramps up slowly in the final three years of the FYDP, peaking at 12 aircraft in FY 2020 and buying 38 F-35Cs in the plan period. The FYDP includes 83 F-35Bs for the Marine Corps, unchanged from earlier years.

海军计划在16和17年分别采购4架战机,在财年计划的最后三年(18, 19, 20)逐步增加采购数量,2020年达到12架;给陆战队的35B采购计划不受此影响。

Under 2015 plans the Navy would have bought 54 F-35Cs in the FY16-20, with F-35C production reaching 20 per year in 2020. 19. The JSF Program Office states that “the Navy’s commitment to the program remains strong” and that it expects the Navy’s cutbacks to be offset by international JSF procurements.”

按照2015年的计划,海军打算在16-20财年中总共采购54架35C,而35C的生产率将在2020年达到每年20架。JSF项目办公室重申海军对该项目依然保持了高度的热情,并且他们预计削减的数量可以由海外采购数量来弥补。

The Navy says that the reduction is budget-driven. In fiscal 2020, each of the 12 F-35Cs has a gross weapon system unit cost of $144 million (44% more than the Air Force’s F-35A) and a flyaway cost of $131 million. The weapon system unit cost of the F-35B averages $147 million at its full 20/year production rate. In total, 2020 the Navy expects to spend $4.7 billion for 32 F-35s in 2020. In 2013, the service spent $3.7 billion for 49 new fighters, comprising 37 F/A-18E/Fs and 12 EA-18Gs.


The fiscal 2016 budget request would cancel the Raytheon AIM-9X Block III, an increased-range version of the air-to-air missile with a more powerful motor. In April 2014, AIM-9X program manager Capt. John Martins said that the Block III was primarily intended for the F-35C because it would permit the fighter to carry six beyond-visual range missiles: four AIM-120s internally and two Block IIIs on outer wing pylons. The Block III would have entered service by 2024. One element of the canceled project, a new warhead meeting insensitive munition standards, will continue into the AIM-9X program.

同样在16财年,专为其打造的AIM-9X block 3也将取消,原计划对该导弹装备更强大的发动机以增加射程。2014年4月,AIM-9X项目负责人称该导弹就是专为35打造的,这可以使35携带六枚超视距导弹:四枚内置120外加两枚外置AIM-9X。block 3原计划于2020年服役。

Two new initiatives cover standoff weapons launched outside the range of surface-to-air threats. The new-start Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER) gets $267 million in development funding across the 2016-20 FYDP and will mate the existing guidance system and warhead of the AGM-88E AARGM with a new motor. Two motor options were studied: dual-pulse for a 20-50% range improvement, or solid integrated rocket-ramjet for doubled range. Budget documents indicate that the Navy has chosen the rocket.

取而代之的防区外打击武器是全新曾程反辐射空对地导弹AARGM-ER,该计划提出了两种曾程方案:两阶段点火以增加20%到50%的射程,或火箭加冲压发动机组合以使射程扩大一倍,文件显示海军选择了第二套方案。相关信息请见附件

A new “precision strike weapons development program” funding line, budgeted at $510 million in the FYDP, primarily supports the new Next Generation Strike Capability effort, which combines two previous programs: Offensive Anti-Surface Warfare (OASuW) Increment II, a follow-on to Lockheed Martin’s Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (Lrasm) that would be capable of air and sea launch, and Next Generation Land Attack Weapon, a replacement for the Raytheon Tomahawk. NGSC could be either a common weapon or a family of weapons, but the goal is to use technologies “across multiple mission areas” to reduce cost. Near-term strike capability is to be provided by Lrasm and modernized Tomahawks – compensating for the wind-down of new Tomahawk production.

在“新一代精确打击武器”一行,新的财年计划将之前的两种武器系统的拨款结合到了一起。一种是对之前洛克希德马丁的远程反舰导弹(LRASM)方案的发展,该导弹可由空中和海上平台发射;另一种新一代功陆武器,即战斧升级。新一代打击武器(NGSC)既可以是一种通用武器也可以是武器家族,但无论如何,发展的目标就是该武器或武器族能够承担多种任务以降低成本。近期的打击能力还是由LRASM和现代化改装的战斧导弹完成。

The Navy’s budget priorities reflect the views of Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan Greenert. In June 2012, shortly after he was appointed as CNO, Greenert published an article in the Naval Institute’s Proceedings magazine that downplayed the importance of advanced platforms, including stealth aircraft, in favor of “payloads” including standoff weapons. Speaking to a Navy technology conference in Washington on Feb. 4, Greenert reemphasized these points, saying that any future fighter will likely "not be so super-fast because you can't outrun missiles, and not so super-stealthy because you can't be invisible. Stealth may be overrated," he said. "If you move fast through the air...that puts out heat and you are going to be detected."

在约翰逊 格林内特被任命为海军行动部门主管以后,他的观点是弱化先进平台(包括隐形战机),但却注重防区外武器的发展。他在2月份的海军科技会议上再次强调了这一点:未来的战斗机可能不会对速度和隐身性能提出太高的要求,因为你“再快也玩不过导弹,再隐身也不能消失”,他认为“隐身平台的能力被夸大了”。他同时指出:如果你的速度太快,你产生的热量将让你被轻而易举的探测到。

Also, demonstrations carried out by the Navy and Boeing in 2013 and 2014 have been aimed at using the EA-18G Growler’s ALQ-218(V)2 electronic surveillance measures system to detect and track moving or relocatables emitting targets at long range, with enough accuracy to launch a weapon at them. Both AARGM-ER and Lrasm already use advanced radio-frequency (RF) guidance and would be compatible with that approach, and Raytheon has demonstrated an RF-based passive seeker, with a millimeter-wave active terminal mode, as a Tomahawk upgrade.
同时,2013和14年由F-18G所展示的用电子侦测手段探测并追踪可移动目标,并发射武器进行打击(译者注:显然海军对之前演习中电子大黄蜂击落F-22表现出了兴趣)。升级版的战斧包括了现金电波导航系统,末端则使用毫米波主动制导。
35c的故障率远低于b,c的数量削减了,b也在劫难逃。鬼子棒子,等着多掏钱吧。
F 35C被削减应该是很明智的决定,不然的话将来洛马垄断了美国的战斗机工业,眼前省下的几个小钱就迟早会成为笑柄的。
美国F35还未出厂反入使用,相对于中俄反隐形战机雷达来说,已经落后了。有如吃之无味,弃之可惜。美帝及他的同盟弟兄们这回不知又会损失多少钱了。

odyseus 发表于 2015-2-7 13:48
F 35C被削减应该是很明智的决定,不然的话将来洛马垄断了美国的战斗机工业,眼前省下的几个小钱就迟早会成 ...


防区外打击武器,陆攻型JSAAM是洛马的,反舰的LRASM又是洛马的。你不买肥电C,就得多买LSASM和JSAAM。洛马不能逼死波音,逼死雷声也是不错的。
odyseus 发表于 2015-2-7 13:48
F 35C被削减应该是很明智的决定,不然的话将来洛马垄断了美国的战斗机工业,眼前省下的几个小钱就迟早会成 ...


防区外打击武器,陆攻型JSAAM是洛马的,反舰的LRASM又是洛马的。你不买肥电C,就得多买LSASM和JSAAM。洛马不能逼死波音,逼死雷声也是不错的。
还有一个文章讲的F-35不能胜任其任务的更火爆,但略长,过几天再翻译
天空中飘来一片黑云。
黑着黑着球电就服役了。。。
clling 发表于 2015-2-7 13:54
美国F35还未出厂反入使用,相对于中俄反隐形战机雷达来说,已经落后了。有如吃之无味,弃之可惜。美帝及他 ...
这话说得。。。成飞不找你拼命么。。。
还有一个文章讲的F-35不能胜任其任务的更火爆,但略长,过几天再翻译
你这是在捅马蜂窝。
guoxing1987 发表于 2015-2-7 14:47
你这是在捅马蜂窝。
是哒,

字数补丁
黑着黑着球电就服役了。。。
你说美国人为什么老黑肥电呢?
guoxing1987 发表于 2015-2-7 14:56
你说美国人为什么老黑肥电呢?
当然是为了给兔子军迷提供炸鱼素材啊
当然是为了给兔子军迷提供炸鱼素材啊
军迷算哪根葱。
总数没有变,又是延迟。地主家也没钱

http://rt.com/usa/navy-cuts-f35-order-801/

According to Pentagon Comptroller Robert Hale, the move to purchase fewer jets does not indicate that the military is underwhelmed with the jet’s performance capability, but rather it was based primarily on budgetary considerations. Defense officials told Reuters that the plan is still to purchase a total of 2,443 F-35s over the next few years.
johnqh 发表于 2015-2-7 15:16
总数没有变,又是延迟。地主家也没钱

http://rt.com/usa/navy-cuts-f35-order-801/
我觉得可以从另一个角度理解budget,就是那些budget都用到其他地方去了
kingmako 发表于 2015-2-7 14:01
防区外打击武器,陆攻型JSAAM是洛马的,反舰的LRASM又是洛马的。你不买肥电C,就得多买LSASM和JSAAM。 ...
真的是要气死雷声的节奏
我觉得可以从另一个角度理解budget,就是那些budget都用到其他地方去了
总量减少,单价提高,再加点别的。
johnqh 发表于 2015-2-7 15:22
总量减少,单价提高,再加点别的。
总量减少,单价提高,就是死亡循环,朱姆沃尔特就是这么死的
SUNYAN的姐姐 发表于 2015-2-7 14:58
当然是为了给兔子军迷提供炸鱼素材啊
你太高看军迷了。


“the first move by a U.S. service to slow down its JSF procurements.”
“这是目前为止第一次美国队联合战术攻击机计划的采购数量进行削减。”

slow down是削减?!明明是采购的放缓

把一小部分的战机推迟一两年采购,并不等同于采购计划的削减,只是这五年采购计划里的一部分战机,被推迟到下一个五年或者更后面去。

从总的采购方案来看,不仅没有降低,还上升了,从336上升到369,多了33架F-35C:(备注,这两个数字里同样都包含29架F-35B,这是由一些特定的财政预算因素导致的,发生在FY2008~FY2010三年间)




不过这个变化应当是USMC的F-35C采购安排变化,而不是Navy的,Navy一直都是很稳定的260架。(USMC的预算是由Navy代管的)

这种变化是根据上一年的采购计划,和今年的采购计划对比的来的;由于各种各样的不确定性,军事采购可以说是十年九变,今年多买一两架,明年少买一两架,都是很正常的事情,过去的几年这种事情可以说是天天发生,我都懒得再科普了。Bill Sweetman老贼就喜欢拿这种普通军迷不了解的东西,推销自己的观点。顺便一说,美国国会最终批准的FY2015的F-35C采购计划,比最开始Navy要求的,还多出了2架。



另外,“未来的战斗机可能不会对速度隐身性能提出太高的要求”……一等人这是要在舆论上置空军的F-22于死地?

“the first move by a U.S. service to slow down its JSF procurements.”
“这是目前为止第一次美国队联合战术攻击机计划的采购数量进行削减。”

slow down是削减?!明明是采购的放缓

把一小部分的战机推迟一两年采购,并不等同于采购计划的削减,只是这五年采购计划里的一部分战机,被推迟到下一个五年或者更后面去。

从总的采购方案来看,不仅没有降低,还上升了,从336上升到369,多了33架F-35C:(备注,这两个数字里同样都包含29架F-35B,这是由一些特定的财政预算因素导致的,发生在FY2008~FY2010三年间)

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不过这个变化应当是USMC的F-35C采购安排变化,而不是Navy的,Navy一直都是很稳定的260架。(USMC的预算是由Navy代管的)

这种变化是根据上一年的采购计划,和今年的采购计划对比的来的;由于各种各样的不确定性,军事采购可以说是十年九变,今年多买一两架,明年少买一两架,都是很正常的事情,过去的几年这种事情可以说是天天发生,我都懒得再科普了。Bill Sweetman老贼就喜欢拿这种普通军迷不了解的东西,推销自己的观点。顺便一说,美国国会最终批准的FY2015的F-35C采购计划,比最开始Navy要求的,还多出了2架。



另外,“未来的战斗机可能不会对速度隐身性能提出太高的要求”……一等人这是要在舆论上置空军的F-22于死地?
总量减少,单价提高,就是死亡循环,朱姆沃尔特就是这么死的
所以C是A和B救的。

经验曲线在那儿。如果是三种飞机,空军能把价格压下来活。陆战队因为别无选择必须活。海军的价格压不下来,又有其它选择,死定。

现在是ABC同一个经验曲线。A和B帮C降低成本。

也可以说海军腹黑,等在后面捞便宜。
韩五记 发表于 2015-2-7 15:31
“the first move by a U.S. service to slow down its JSF procurements.”
“这是目前为止第一次美国队 ...
The U.S. Navy has reduced its planned buys of the Lockheed Martin F-35C Joint Strike Fighter by almost one-third over the fiscal 2016-2020 Future Years Defense Program (FYDP), while committing almost $800 million to new standoff weapon developments and canceling the only missile program that was primarily dedicated to the F-35C.

那这句话该怎么理解呢?

这个Greenert的想法很特别,他就是弱化平台强化武器的思路,这和空军无关,他也不方便拿F-22作比较
F-35最终的出口价格会是多少? (给牛牛的可能便宜点,小脚盆儿之流的 ...... 嘿嘿)
rothschildzj 发表于 2015-2-7 15:41
那这句话该怎么理解呢?

这个Greenert的想法很特别,他就是弱化平台强化武器的思路,这和空军无关, ...
这不是很明显嘛, fiscal 2016-2020这五年里,本来要用来买F-35C的一部分钱,先挪用一下,干点别的;而减少的这几架F-35C以后会补回来,Navy的总采购数量一直没有变。事分轻重缓急嘛。

这种事情太常见了,经常看预算文件的话,完全不觉得有什么奇怪的。

一向要和AF比高低的Navy又怎么会和AF无关……看AF高大上的样子不顺眼罢了……
guoxing1987 发表于 2015-2-7 14:56
你说美国人为什么老黑肥电呢?
你说我国公知为什么要黑J-20呢?

PS. 楼主转载的这篇文章的作者,Bill Sweetman,不是美国人,而是一只英国佬。
guoxing1987 发表于 2015-2-7 14:47
你这是在捅马蜂窝。
捅马蜂窝的结果有两种,一种是被蛰得鼻青脸肿,一种是马蜂窝被毁,通窝者安然无恙。在还没捅之前,太早下结论意义是不大的。
韩五记 发表于 2015-2-7 15:46
这不是很明显嘛, fiscal 2016-2020这五年里,本来要用来买F-35C的一部分钱,先挪用一下,干点别的;而减 ...
我看了一下源文件,你和他说的不是一回事儿,你说的是总采购数量,但在16-20年的预算年中,你不可否认:
1. 17年采购数量下调2
2. 18年采购数量下调2
3. 19年采购数量下调6

按2014年算:47 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 6 + 10 + 16 + 245 = 336

按2015年: (47+ 4)+ 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 8 + 10 + 12 + 272 = 369

remaining架次不算在五年计划中所以他说在16-20削减三分之一没有错的
2015-2-7 16:14 上传



一亿两千六百万
你说我国公知为什么要黑J-20呢?

PS. 楼主转载的这篇文章的作者,Bill Sweetman,不是美国人,而是一 ...
不知道美国人看着中国gz的黑文瞎乐呵,有没有美国的自干五出来澄清。
反正中国是不缺乏的,你说是吧?
rothschildzj 发表于 2015-2-7 16:10
我看了一下源文件,你和他说的不是一回事儿,你说的是总采购数量,但在16-20年的预算年中,你不可否认:
...
不,我和他说的是一回事,是你没看懂我在说什么。

进入正题之前,希望你注意:15年增加了2架,16年增加了2架,不要选择性忽视。

我说的很清楚,这是采购的“放缓”,而不是“削减”。某一个特定区段的采购数量下降,并不能定义为采购数量的“削减”——哪怕是Bill Sweetman这样的老奸巨猾,最后给这件事定的性也是“slow down”。

很多时候,这种变化更多的是财政资金安排上的原因,而不是项目本省的原因——正如Sweetman正文所说,Navy决定开始“新型防区外打击武器进行研发”,而鉴于F/A-18C/D的寿命并不紧迫,F-35C早换晚换无关紧要,而“事分轻重缓急”,把钱先挪用一下是很正常的选择。

所以,这件事情Bill Sweetman这个老奸巨猾又当了一次标题党,标题里大肆鼓吹“F-35C被削减”,实际上自己在正文里一个不显眼的角落,承认了这只是“放缓”。
2015-2-7 16:27 上传




随后日本政府又说要自己研究隐形战机神马的,但这个订单应该是不变了
“16年单价就是两亿三千万”  




guoxing1987 发表于 2015-2-7 16:22
不知道美国人看着中国gz的黑文瞎乐呵,有没有美国的自干五出来澄清。
反正中国是不缺乏的,你说是吧?


美国人早就不信中国的公知了,而中国还有很多人,把美国的“公知”当成神。



呵呵。
guoxing1987 发表于 2015-2-7 16:22
不知道美国人看着中国gz的黑文瞎乐呵,有没有美国的自干五出来澄清。
反正中国是不缺乏的,你说是吧?


美国人早就不信中国的公知了,而中国还有很多人,把美国的“公知”当成神。

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2015-2-7 16:45 上传



呵呵。
rothschildzj 发表于 2015-2-7 16:31
F-35C的采购价格应该是很高了,因为它最大,给你看一下总价
别再这里误人子弟了,LRIP阶段的价格和最终的批产价格差了十万八千里。建议你至少先把这篇文章看完:

http://www.afwing.com/aircraft/about-japan-f35-fighter_4.html
F-35价格这么贵,要买F35的国家这次要大出血
gxqylz 发表于 2015-2-7 16:33
“16年单价就是两亿三千万”
有时间把鄙人的这篇文章看完,大部分关于价格的问题都会迎刃而解:
http://www.afwing.com/aircraft/about-japan-f35-fighter_4.html

如果仅仅是把报告中的某个数据这个列出来当做“价格”,我可以负责任的告诉你,十有八九是错误的。
韩五记 发表于 2015-2-7 16:43
有时间把鄙人的这篇文章看完,大部分关于价格的问题都会迎刃而解:
http://www.afwing.com/aircraft/abo ...
受教了,去学习一下! 谢谢兄台!
guoxing1987 发表于 2015-2-7 14:56
你说美国人为什么老黑肥电呢?
因为肥电已经有了  要为下一代飞机整经费不是
鸡肋干脆扔掉吧。