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转自简氏防务：Ukrainian separatists show off 'air force' 东乌武装炫耀“空中力量”
http://www.janes.com/article/484 ... -show-off-air-force
Separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine are attempting to return combat aircraft from the Luhansk aviation museum to an airworthy state, a video posted online on 29 January appears to show.
一月二十九日公布的一段视频显示东乌武装正在试图将卢甘斯克飞行博物馆里的展示用老家伙们拖出来并恢复飞行。
The video, which was shot by Russian-backed insurgents in Ukraine, purports to show a Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoot' ground-attack aircraft and an Aero L-29 Delfín trainer and light-attack aircraft being readied for flight operations.
视频显示至少一架苏-25攻击机和一架L29教练/轻型攻击机已经准备就绪甚至已挂弹。
While the Su-25 is seen being painted in the colours of the self-styled separatist state of Novorossiya, nothing in the video suggests it is functional. The L-29, however, is powered up and performs a low-speed taxi trial. Both aircraft are armed - the Su-25 with four underwing rocket pods and the L-29 with two underwing dumb bombs - but it is not possible to tell if these munitions are live or museum props.
Two days prior to the video being posted, the Ukrainian military said it had destroyed a number of aircraft in the possession of the separatists. These, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said, included an Aero L-39 Albatros light attack jet, a Yakovlev Yak-52 basic trainer and light attack prop, two Antonov An-2 'Colt' tactical transport aircraft, as well as four Mil Mi-24 'Hind' attack helicopters. From the list provided by the MoD, it would seem that the Su-25 and L-29 located at Luhansk, close to the border with Russia, were not targeted on this occasion.
视频公布两天后，乌克兰国防部声称已经击毁东乌武装包括一架L39教练/攻击机，一架雅克52初级教练机，两家安-2战术运输机以及四家米-24武装直升机。
As shown on the video, the Luhansk aviation museum has many other aircraft types, including a Sukhoi Su-24 'Fencer' strike aircraft, an Su-27 'Flanker' fighter, and even a Tupolev Tu-95 'Bear' strategic bomber. However, it is unlikely the rebels could bring such aircraft back to an operational condition and have the resources and wherewithal to operate them.
视频显示卢甘斯克航空博物馆其他收藏飞行器包括一架苏24攻击机，一架苏27战斗机，一架图95轰炸机，不过很难想象这些老古董能被恢复到使用状态。
ANALYSIS
No matter how capable an insurgent group, the one capability they invariably lack is air power. A state opponent fielding even the most rudimentary of air forces equipped with the most outdated of aircraft has an asymmetric advantage over the insurgents that puts such groups at a chronic disadvantage on the battlefield.
There are therefore great incentives for any rebel group to get its hands on even one or two aircraft (be they captured from the enemy, supplied by allies, or procured from third parties).
In seemingly doing this themselves, the separatist forces in eastern Ukraine are following in the footsteps of other armed groups that have tried to use air power against their governmental enemies.
During the Afghan civil war in the 1990s the Taliban flew captured MiG-21 'Fishbed', Sukhoi Su-22 'Fitter', and even L-39 fighters using pilots and maintainers that had once been in the service of the previous communist government. In the 2000s, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) used a pair of propeller-driven Zlin Z 143 aircraft to drop bombs on Sri Lankan government and military targets.
More recently, the Islamic State tried to do the same when it overran Syrian Air Force bases and captured jet aircraft. However, it was reported that these were destroyed on the ground before they could be put to use in the air.
It remains to seen whether the rebels in Ukraine are able to use these jets in any meaningful way.
倒是图片背景里的那几架直升机，谁眼神好的能看清楚都是什么型号
转自简氏防务：Ukrainian separatists show off 'air force' 东乌武装炫耀“空中力量”
http://www.janes.com/article/484 ... -show-off-air-force
Separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine are attempting to return combat aircraft from the Luhansk aviation museum to an airworthy state, a video posted online on 29 January appears to show.
一月二十九日公布的一段视频显示东乌武装正在试图将卢甘斯克飞行博物馆里的展示用老家伙们拖出来并恢复飞行。
The video, which was shot by Russian-backed insurgents in Ukraine, purports to show a Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoot' ground-attack aircraft and an Aero L-29 Delfín trainer and light-attack aircraft being readied for flight operations.
视频显示至少一架苏-25攻击机和一架L29教练/轻型攻击机已经准备就绪甚至已挂弹。
While the Su-25 is seen being painted in the colours of the self-styled separatist state of Novorossiya, nothing in the video suggests it is functional. The L-29, however, is powered up and performs a low-speed taxi trial. Both aircraft are armed - the Su-25 with four underwing rocket pods and the L-29 with two underwing dumb bombs - but it is not possible to tell if these munitions are live or museum props.
Two days prior to the video being posted, the Ukrainian military said it had destroyed a number of aircraft in the possession of the separatists. These, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said, included an Aero L-39 Albatros light attack jet, a Yakovlev Yak-52 basic trainer and light attack prop, two Antonov An-2 'Colt' tactical transport aircraft, as well as four Mil Mi-24 'Hind' attack helicopters. From the list provided by the MoD, it would seem that the Su-25 and L-29 located at Luhansk, close to the border with Russia, were not targeted on this occasion.
视频公布两天后，乌克兰国防部声称已经击毁东乌武装包括一架L39教练/攻击机，一架雅克52初级教练机，两家安-2战术运输机以及四家米-24武装直升机。
As shown on the video, the Luhansk aviation museum has many other aircraft types, including a Sukhoi Su-24 'Fencer' strike aircraft, an Su-27 'Flanker' fighter, and even a Tupolev Tu-95 'Bear' strategic bomber. However, it is unlikely the rebels could bring such aircraft back to an operational condition and have the resources and wherewithal to operate them.
视频显示卢甘斯克航空博物馆其他收藏飞行器包括一架苏24攻击机，一架苏27战斗机，一架图95轰炸机，不过很难想象这些老古董能被恢复到使用状态。
ANALYSIS
No matter how capable an insurgent group, the one capability they invariably lack is air power. A state opponent fielding even the most rudimentary of air forces equipped with the most outdated of aircraft has an asymmetric advantage over the insurgents that puts such groups at a chronic disadvantage on the battlefield.
There are therefore great incentives for any rebel group to get its hands on even one or two aircraft (be they captured from the enemy, supplied by allies, or procured from third parties).
In seemingly doing this themselves, the separatist forces in eastern Ukraine are following in the footsteps of other armed groups that have tried to use air power against their governmental enemies.
During the Afghan civil war in the 1990s the Taliban flew captured MiG-21 'Fishbed', Sukhoi Su-22 'Fitter', and even L-39 fighters using pilots and maintainers that had once been in the service of the previous communist government. In the 2000s, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) used a pair of propeller-driven Zlin Z 143 aircraft to drop bombs on Sri Lankan government and military targets.
More recently, the Islamic State tried to do the same when it overran Syrian Air Force bases and captured jet aircraft. However, it was reported that these were destroyed on the ground before they could be put to use in the air.
It remains to seen whether the rebels in Ukraine are able to use these jets in any meaningful way.
倒是图片背景里的那几架直升机，谁眼神好的能看清楚都是什么型号
http://www.janes.com/article/484 ... -show-off-air-force
Separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine are attempting to return combat aircraft from the Luhansk aviation museum to an airworthy state, a video posted online on 29 January appears to show.
一月二十九日公布的一段视频显示东乌武装正在试图将卢甘斯克飞行博物馆里的展示用老家伙们拖出来并恢复飞行。
The video, which was shot by Russian-backed insurgents in Ukraine, purports to show a Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoot' ground-attack aircraft and an Aero L-29 Delfín trainer and light-attack aircraft being readied for flight operations.
视频显示至少一架苏-25攻击机和一架L29教练/轻型攻击机已经准备就绪甚至已挂弹。
While the Su-25 is seen being painted in the colours of the self-styled separatist state of Novorossiya, nothing in the video suggests it is functional. The L-29, however, is powered up and performs a low-speed taxi trial. Both aircraft are armed - the Su-25 with four underwing rocket pods and the L-29 with two underwing dumb bombs - but it is not possible to tell if these munitions are live or museum props.
Two days prior to the video being posted, the Ukrainian military said it had destroyed a number of aircraft in the possession of the separatists. These, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said, included an Aero L-39 Albatros light attack jet, a Yakovlev Yak-52 basic trainer and light attack prop, two Antonov An-2 'Colt' tactical transport aircraft, as well as four Mil Mi-24 'Hind' attack helicopters. From the list provided by the MoD, it would seem that the Su-25 and L-29 located at Luhansk, close to the border with Russia, were not targeted on this occasion.
视频公布两天后，乌克兰国防部声称已经击毁东乌武装包括一架L39教练/攻击机，一架雅克52初级教练机，两家安-2战术运输机以及四家米-24武装直升机。
As shown on the video, the Luhansk aviation museum has many other aircraft types, including a Sukhoi Su-24 'Fencer' strike aircraft, an Su-27 'Flanker' fighter, and even a Tupolev Tu-95 'Bear' strategic bomber. However, it is unlikely the rebels could bring such aircraft back to an operational condition and have the resources and wherewithal to operate them.
视频显示卢甘斯克航空博物馆其他收藏飞行器包括一架苏24攻击机，一架苏27战斗机，一架图95轰炸机，不过很难想象这些老古董能被恢复到使用状态。
ANALYSIS
No matter how capable an insurgent group, the one capability they invariably lack is air power. A state opponent fielding even the most rudimentary of air forces equipped with the most outdated of aircraft has an asymmetric advantage over the insurgents that puts such groups at a chronic disadvantage on the battlefield.
There are therefore great incentives for any rebel group to get its hands on even one or two aircraft (be they captured from the enemy, supplied by allies, or procured from third parties).
In seemingly doing this themselves, the separatist forces in eastern Ukraine are following in the footsteps of other armed groups that have tried to use air power against their governmental enemies.
During the Afghan civil war in the 1990s the Taliban flew captured MiG-21 'Fishbed', Sukhoi Su-22 'Fitter', and even L-39 fighters using pilots and maintainers that had once been in the service of the previous communist government. In the 2000s, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) used a pair of propeller-driven Zlin Z 143 aircraft to drop bombs on Sri Lankan government and military targets.
More recently, the Islamic State tried to do the same when it overran Syrian Air Force bases and captured jet aircraft. However, it was reported that these were destroyed on the ground before they could be put to use in the air.
It remains to seen whether the rebels in Ukraine are able to use these jets in any meaningful way.
倒是图片背景里的那几架直升机，谁眼神好的能看清楚都是什么型号
转自简氏防务：Ukrainian separatists show off 'air force' 东乌武装炫耀“空中力量”
http://www.janes.com/article/484 ... -show-off-air-force
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Separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine are attempting to return combat aircraft from the Luhansk aviation museum to an airworthy state, a video posted online on 29 January appears to show.
一月二十九日公布的一段视频显示东乌武装正在试图将卢甘斯克飞行博物馆里的展示用老家伙们拖出来并恢复飞行。
The video, which was shot by Russian-backed insurgents in Ukraine, purports to show a Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoot' ground-attack aircraft and an Aero L-29 Delfín trainer and light-attack aircraft being readied for flight operations.
视频显示至少一架苏-25攻击机和一架L29教练/轻型攻击机已经准备就绪甚至已挂弹。
While the Su-25 is seen being painted in the colours of the self-styled separatist state of Novorossiya, nothing in the video suggests it is functional. The L-29, however, is powered up and performs a low-speed taxi trial. Both aircraft are armed - the Su-25 with four underwing rocket pods and the L-29 with two underwing dumb bombs - but it is not possible to tell if these munitions are live or museum props.
Two days prior to the video being posted, the Ukrainian military said it had destroyed a number of aircraft in the possession of the separatists. These, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said, included an Aero L-39 Albatros light attack jet, a Yakovlev Yak-52 basic trainer and light attack prop, two Antonov An-2 'Colt' tactical transport aircraft, as well as four Mil Mi-24 'Hind' attack helicopters. From the list provided by the MoD, it would seem that the Su-25 and L-29 located at Luhansk, close to the border with Russia, were not targeted on this occasion.
视频公布两天后，乌克兰国防部声称已经击毁东乌武装包括一架L39教练/攻击机，一架雅克52初级教练机，两家安-2战术运输机以及四家米-24武装直升机。
As shown on the video, the Luhansk aviation museum has many other aircraft types, including a Sukhoi Su-24 'Fencer' strike aircraft, an Su-27 'Flanker' fighter, and even a Tupolev Tu-95 'Bear' strategic bomber. However, it is unlikely the rebels could bring such aircraft back to an operational condition and have the resources and wherewithal to operate them.
视频显示卢甘斯克航空博物馆其他收藏飞行器包括一架苏24攻击机，一架苏27战斗机，一架图95轰炸机，不过很难想象这些老古董能被恢复到使用状态。
ANALYSIS
No matter how capable an insurgent group, the one capability they invariably lack is air power. A state opponent fielding even the most rudimentary of air forces equipped with the most outdated of aircraft has an asymmetric advantage over the insurgents that puts such groups at a chronic disadvantage on the battlefield.
There are therefore great incentives for any rebel group to get its hands on even one or two aircraft (be they captured from the enemy, supplied by allies, or procured from third parties).
In seemingly doing this themselves, the separatist forces in eastern Ukraine are following in the footsteps of other armed groups that have tried to use air power against their governmental enemies.
During the Afghan civil war in the 1990s the Taliban flew captured MiG-21 'Fishbed', Sukhoi Su-22 'Fitter', and even L-39 fighters using pilots and maintainers that had once been in the service of the previous communist government. In the 2000s, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) used a pair of propeller-driven Zlin Z 143 aircraft to drop bombs on Sri Lankan government and military targets.
More recently, the Islamic State tried to do the same when it overran Syrian Air Force bases and captured jet aircraft. However, it was reported that these were destroyed on the ground before they could be put to use in the air.
It remains to seen whether the rebels in Ukraine are able to use these jets in any meaningful way.
倒是图片背景里的那几架直升机，谁眼神好的能看清楚都是什么型号
难道在博物馆里不应该把发动机拆了？
没注册 发表于 2015-2-2 23:41
难道在博物馆里不应该把发动机拆了？
有用才拆，没用谁懒得拆那东西
难道在博物馆里不应该把发动机拆了？
有用才拆，没用谁懒得拆那东西
2015-2-2 23:51 上传
无言以对Tu-95……………………
我晕，真是够老古董的了修了半天都被击落，累不累啊！
2012918 发表于 2015-2-3 01:05
修了半天都被击落，累不累啊！
没办法的办法，有新的谁喜欢使翻新古董
修了半天都被击落，累不累啊！
没办法的办法，有新的谁喜欢使翻新古董
一架米-4。两架Ka-27的某种型号。中间那架真心看不出来。。。从涂装上来看不是米-8就是米-24。
照片里似乎出现了65式军帽
半年前还在用博物馆的坦克，现在满大街T64、T72
现在用博物馆的飞机，半年后会不会满天SU25、SU27？？
现在用博物馆的飞机，半年后会不会满天SU25、SU27？？
看看又找到什么宝贝？
能找到会开的人比把东西修的能用还不容易
米4，米8系，卡27
吉祥物吧。。。
敢飞真大丈夫
这情况，看起来怎么都不象是打仗，怎么看都象狂欢。
大半可能是几个军迷工程师领受了政治任务，恢复出几个坦克、飞机，动一下，造个悲情新闻，实际的活由现役装备来干。
话说，我最想看的是恢复Ty-95，然后挂弹出征。可以L-29护航，低空、机场，用雅克18保卫。画面太美。
另外，不知道有没有伊尔2或10啊？
大半可能是几个军迷工程师领受了政治任务，恢复出几个坦克、飞机，动一下，造个悲情新闻，实际的活由现役装备来干。
话说，我最想看的是恢复Ty-95，然后挂弹出征。可以L-29护航，低空、机场，用雅克18保卫。画面太美。
另外，不知道有没有伊尔2或10啊？
lmozly 发表于 2015-2-3 01:41
照片里似乎出现了65式军帽
65式军帽，本来就是抄袭的欧洲设计。你看看巴黎公社时期的法国帽子，只是比65式上面那个面包发得更大一点。毛子也有类似设计，好象契卡比较常用，比法国帽子更65，只不过人家用皮的。
照片里似乎出现了65式军帽
65式军帽，本来就是抄袭的欧洲设计。你看看巴黎公社时期的法国帽子，只是比65式上面那个面包发得更大一点。毛子也有类似设计，好象契卡比较常用，比法国帽子更65，只不过人家用皮的。
拉出几架古董，为以后毛子的空中打击做铺垫
dirtyfan 发表于 2015-2-3 09:17
这情况，看起来怎么都不象是打仗，怎么看都象狂欢。
大半可能是几个军迷工程师领受了政治任务，恢复出几个 ...
俺还想看到图-2和米格-3呢！
这情况，看起来怎么都不象是打仗，怎么看都象狂欢。
大半可能是几个军迷工程师领受了政治任务，恢复出几个 ...
俺还想看到图-2和米格-3呢！
这是要抛砖引玉啊
普京支持的不够，其实普京只要派一个团的苏27米格29在边境巡逻就足够了……东部武装不需要飞机……
飞行员和飞机一样老旧
最后一张图，分明博物馆里还有更猛的货色在，居然拉出这架爷爷级的飞机出来！？这是怎样的一个心路历程啊
老毛子真是战斗民主。难怪北约怕。
真欢乐！2012918 发表于 2015-2-3 01:05
修了半天都被击落，累不累啊！
别听西乌吹牛，这些飞机有没有参加战斗很值得怀疑。而且西乌没秀之前没见他们击落，视频一出来他们就宣布击落了，我看吹牛的可能性很大。
修了半天都被击落，累不累啊！
别听西乌吹牛，这些飞机有没有参加战斗很值得怀疑。而且西乌没秀之前没见他们击落，视频一出来他们就宣布击落了，我看吹牛的可能性很大。
其实只是一种心理作用而已，木有实战价值！
好像还有一架Mi-4直升机。
有木有当年缴获的虎王或者四号坦克，修好了拉出来溜溜
欧美真不行了，以前好歹还给些军火
这就是个由头，志愿空军要登场了。没有纪念碑上的T34，哪来的顿涅茨克的T72
真是太有才了
你看看人家的博物馆。。。
这要是不摔死人才叫见鬼！
自从s—3从纪念碑上开下来那刻起我就不再感到惊讶了
这玩意还有配套的炸弹吗 不会仍手榴弹吧
ydzh 发表于 2015-2-3 12:00
欧美真不行了，以前好歹还给些军火
乌克兰不缺军火 再说了 老美支援的那些军火也就是枪支弹药
欧美真不行了，以前好歹还给些军火
乌克兰不缺军火 再说了 老美支援的那些军火也就是枪支弹药
难道在博物馆里不应该把发动机拆了？
毛子才懒得动，毛子家的教具和咱们家的教具那是天壤之别，曾经黎明厂去毛子家买rd33，谈了半天没买成，总要带点啥回去吧，于是盯上了毛子的教具，买回去做研究，临走前多嘴问老了句能动不？那毛子还以为中国人怕他们骗，怀疑他，于是把发动机接上油，跑全功率。。。。。
毛子才懒得动，毛子家的教具和咱们家的教具那是天壤之别，曾经黎明厂去毛子家买rd33，谈了半天没买成，总要带点啥回去吧，于是盯上了毛子的教具，买回去做研究，临走前多嘴问老了句能动不？那毛子还以为中国人怕他们骗，怀疑他，于是把发动机接上油，跑全功率。。。。。