马一龙在AMA与网友的问答

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前天看直播顺便浏览了一下这个链接,发现不少有趣的东西,下面摘取一些

Q:  Falcon Heavy. Some have speculated that at stage separation the Falcon Heavy center core is too far downrange and travelling too fast to be feasibly returned to the launch site. Could you go into some detail on whether you plan to use barge landings permanently for this core, expend it depending on the mission, or take the payload loss and boost back to the launch site?
A: Yes, the Falcon Heavy center core is seriously hauling a** at stage separation. We can bring it back to the launch site, but the boost back penalty is significant. If we also have to the plane change for geo missions from Cape inclination (28.5 deg) to equatorial, then a downrange platform landing is needed.
Q:What kind of mass ratio do your upper stages have?
A:With sub-cooled propellant, I think we can get the Falcon 9 upper stage mass ratio (excluding payload) to somewhere between 25 and 30. Another way of saying that is the upper stage would be close to 97% propellant by mass.
重猎鹰为了保障GTO载荷会选择海上平台着陆而不是飞回。2级会继续提高干质比,目标是做到25至30。


Q:Has the Raptor engine changed in its target thrust since the last number we have officially heard of 1.55Mlbf SL thrust?
A:Thrust to weight is optimizing for a surprisingly low thrust level, even when accounting for the added mass of plumbing and structure for many engines. Looks like a little over 230 metric tons (~500 klbf) of thrust per engine, but we will have a lot of them :)
Q:In your recent MIT talk , you mentioned that you didn't think 2nd stage recovery was possible for the Falcon 9. This is due to low fuel efficiency of kerosene fuel, and the high velocities needed for many payloads (high orbits like Geostationary orbit). However, you also said that full reusability would be possible for the Mars Colonial Transporter launch vehicle. What have you learned from flights of Falcon 9 that taught you a. that reuse of its second stage won't be possible and b. what you'll need to do differently with MCT to reuse its second stage.
A:Actually, we could make the 2nd stage of Falcon reusable and still have significant payload on Falcon Heavy, but I think our engineering resources are better spent moving on to the Mars system. MCT will have meaningfully higher specific impulse engines: 380 vs 345 vac Isp. For those unfamiliar, in the rocket world, that is a super gigantic difference for stages of roughly equivalent mass ratio (mass full to mass empty).
猛禽所谓的系列仍然类似梅林,真空版增大面积比,但是这点现在还不能确定。推力下调到230吨,但是推质比会高的出乎意料。地面比冲348秒,真空比冲380秒。

Q:There has been a lot of speculation over comments about exactly how much mass you are hoping to send to the Martian surface with the MCT (Mars Colonial Transporter). Can you tell us how much cargo you would like to be able to land on Mars with MCT, not including the mass of the MCT itself?
N:Goal is 100 metric tons of useful payload to the surface of Mars. This obviously requires a very big spaceship and booster system.
MCT目标还是100吨火星转移轨道载荷,看来N1后继有人

Ps:
还有一堆询问教育问题的,甚至有人直接问他的个人爱好
Q:1. What is your favorite airplane? 2. What is your favorite video game? 3. What is your favorite food? 4. If you consume alcohol, what is your favorite alcoholic drink?
A:1. SR-71 Hard to pick a favorite. 2. I tend to like FPS with a story, like Bioshock, Fallout or Mass Effect, but was also a big fan of Civ and Warcraft. 3. French and BBQ. 4. Whiskey.
最喜欢的灰机是黑鸟、喜欢FPS游戏(例如质量效应,还是文明和魔兽的铁杆粉丝)、爱吃法国料理和自助烧烤,喜欢喝威士忌

Q:Follow-up question: How much do you sleep per night, on average?
A:I actually measured this with my phone! Almost exactly 6 hours on average.
大概每天睡6个小时

Q:Would you ever consider becoming a politician?
A:Unlikely.
不会选择从政

前天看直播顺便浏览了一下这个链接,发现不少有趣的东西,下面摘取一些

Q:  Falcon Heavy. Some have speculated that at stage separation the Falcon Heavy center core is too far downrange and travelling too fast to be feasibly returned to the launch site. Could you go into some detail on whether you plan to use barge landings permanently for this core, expend it depending on the mission, or take the payload loss and boost back to the launch site?
A: Yes, the Falcon Heavy center core is seriously hauling a** at stage separation. We can bring it back to the launch site, but the boost back penalty is significant. If we also have to the plane change for geo missions from Cape inclination (28.5 deg) to equatorial, then a downrange platform landing is needed.
Q:What kind of mass ratio do your upper stages have?
A:With sub-cooled propellant, I think we can get the Falcon 9 upper stage mass ratio (excluding payload) to somewhere between 25 and 30. Another way of saying that is the upper stage would be close to 97% propellant by mass.
重猎鹰为了保障GTO载荷会选择海上平台着陆而不是飞回。2级会继续提高干质比,目标是做到25至30。


Q:Has the Raptor engine changed in its target thrust since the last number we have officially heard of 1.55Mlbf SL thrust?
A:Thrust to weight is optimizing for a surprisingly low thrust level, even when accounting for the added mass of plumbing and structure for many engines. Looks like a little over 230 metric tons (~500 klbf) of thrust per engine, but we will have a lot of them :)
Q:In your recent MIT talk , you mentioned that you didn't think 2nd stage recovery was possible for the Falcon 9. This is due to low fuel efficiency of kerosene fuel, and the high velocities needed for many payloads (high orbits like Geostationary orbit). However, you also said that full reusability would be possible for the Mars Colonial Transporter launch vehicle. What have you learned from flights of Falcon 9 that taught you a. that reuse of its second stage won't be possible and b. what you'll need to do differently with MCT to reuse its second stage.
A:Actually, we could make the 2nd stage of Falcon reusable and still have significant payload on Falcon Heavy, but I think our engineering resources are better spent moving on to the Mars system. MCT will have meaningfully higher specific impulse engines: 380 vs 345 vac Isp. For those unfamiliar, in the rocket world, that is a super gigantic difference for stages of roughly equivalent mass ratio (mass full to mass empty).
猛禽所谓的系列仍然类似梅林,真空版增大面积比,但是这点现在还不能确定。推力下调到230吨,但是推质比会高的出乎意料。地面比冲348秒,真空比冲380秒。

Q:There has been a lot of speculation over comments about exactly how much mass you are hoping to send to the Martian surface with the MCT (Mars Colonial Transporter). Can you tell us how much cargo you would like to be able to land on Mars with MCT, not including the mass of the MCT itself?
N:Goal is 100 metric tons of useful payload to the surface of Mars. This obviously requires a very big spaceship and booster system.
MCT目标还是100吨火星转移轨道载荷,看来N1后继有人

Ps:
还有一堆询问教育问题的,甚至有人直接问他的个人爱好
Q:1. What is your favorite airplane? 2. What is your favorite video game? 3. What is your favorite food? 4. If you consume alcohol, what is your favorite alcoholic drink?
A:1. SR-71 Hard to pick a favorite. 2. I tend to like FPS with a story, like Bioshock, Fallout or Mass Effect, but was also a big fan of Civ and Warcraft. 3. French and BBQ. 4. Whiskey.
最喜欢的灰机是黑鸟、喜欢FPS游戏(例如质量效应,还是文明和魔兽的铁杆粉丝)、爱吃法国料理和自助烧烤,喜欢喝威士忌

Q:Follow-up question: How much do you sleep per night, on average?
A:I actually measured this with my phone! Almost exactly 6 hours on average.
大概每天睡6个小时

Q:Would you ever consider becoming a politician?
A:Unlikely.
不会选择从政
Q:1. Previously, you've stated that you estimate a 50% probability of success with the attempted landing on the automated spaceport drone ship tomorrow. Can you discuss the factors that were considered to make that estimation?
2. In addition, can you talk more about the grid fins that will be flying tomorrow? How do they compare to maneuvering with cold-gas thrusters?
A:1. I pretty much made that up. I have no idea :)
2. The grid fins are super important for landing with precision. The aerodynamic forces are way too strong for the nitrogen thrusters. In particular, achieving pitch trim is hopeless. Our atmosphere is like molasses at Mach 4!
最有趣的还是这一段……马一龙相当的自信……
我发现因为坛子的水印,还是复制文字效果比较好。一楼一会儿再改
此外还有SpX自己的宇航服开发计划,据说不仅仅注重功能;对AI的嘴炮;简介了冷气RCS与格栅舵,自己看吧……

楠宫萧vn 发表于 2015-1-8 14:40
此外还有SpX自己的宇航服开发计划,据说不仅仅注重功能;对AI的嘴炮;简介了冷气RCS与格栅舵,自己看吧……


你手太快了。。。我刚想补充太空服这个。。。就被你塞上了。。。

而且他明确说了进度,太空服的设计整合已经开始,今年晚些时候公开细节,不知道会不会有专门的新闻发布会。
而且他个人表示了非常喜欢玩儿坎巴拉KSP!
还有喜欢喝威士忌,回收发射成功后的庆祝方式是海边Party,还有每天大概只睡6个小时。诸如此类吧,就算是偶像直面会了。
我觉得你可以整理一下发到航天港那边,这边儿一会儿就成引战贴了。

楠宫萧vn 发表于 2015-1-8 14:40
此外还有SpX自己的宇航服开发计划,据说不仅仅注重功能;对AI的嘴炮;简介了冷气RCS与格栅舵,自己看吧……


你手太快了。。。我刚想补充太空服这个。。。就被你塞上了。。。

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而且他明确说了进度,太空服的设计整合已经开始,今年晚些时候公开细节,不知道会不会有专门的新闻发布会。
而且他个人表示了非常喜欢玩儿坎巴拉KSP!
还有喜欢喝威士忌,回收发射成功后的庆祝方式是海边Party,还有每天大概只睡6个小时。诸如此类吧,就算是偶像直面会了。
我觉得你可以整理一下发到航天港那边,这边儿一会儿就成引战贴了。
宇航服找维多利亚的秘密来设计吗?




笑脸男人 发表于 2015-1-8 14:47
宇航服找维多利亚的秘密来设计吗?
这个可以开个帖子专题讨论,看看马一龙会折腾出什么花……巴斯光年那种?
homeworld2008 发表于 2015-1-8 14:41
你手太快了。。。我刚想补充太空服这个。。。就被你塞上了。。。

而且他明确说了进度,太空服的设计 ...
发射回收当夜他不准备睡觉这个才是重点……
而且竟然没有人问他第三次离婚什么感觉真够任性,第二任老婆结婚离婚复婚离婚……那分手费是哗哗的出……
一楼链接是官方整理贴,有耐心的网友可以爬爬这个原帖……
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/com ... rocket_company_ama/
高能预警,万丈高楼……
楠宫萧vn 发表于 2015-1-8 14:58
发射回收当夜他不准备睡觉这个才是重点……
而且竟然没有人问他第三次离婚什么感觉真够任 ...

那天直播早上7点多一点儿发射,倒计时的时候天还没亮呢,这个时间铁定是没法睡的,基本要忙活一晚上,红牛咖啡呼呼地。
离婚。。。这又不是八卦新闻,再说优秀男人旁边莺围燕绕的女人多了,像钢铁侠那样起床都不知道睡的是谁也不稀奇。所以婚姻这种事儿自然没人关心。
他这个航天服搞不好是用在火星地表的,可能不是真空用的,设计上简单得多。不过我觉得太超前了,火星真是八字没一撇呢。如果是真空用,那抱歉,NASA可不买你账啊。


马斯克的HUGE HUGE Fan(某网友原话)很多啊,哈哈哈


马斯克的HUGE HUGE Fan(某网友原话)很多啊,哈哈哈

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FH的回收是要用三个拖船分别回收三个芯级?
那天直播早上7点多一点儿发射,倒计时的时候天还没亮呢,这个时间铁定是没法睡的,基本要忙活一晚上, ...
这个说的是龙v2.0的舱内宇航服,NASA沿用自阿波罗和STS的舱内宇航服太臃肿,毛子的马一龙看不上,所以要自己搞一款紧凑型舱内宇航服。
黄金三镖客 发表于 2015-1-8 15:55
FH的回收是要用三个拖船分别回收三个芯级?
两个助推器飞回发射场,芯级落驳船
Musk同学DIY成瘾,连对接口和宇航服都想着自己造。这倒有个好处,出了问题方便自己解决,但就是太花时间和钞票,风险也大。据说这次的作动器不是DIY的,而是买的成品,结果...,估计彻底解决问题还得去找厂家。不知道将来Musk会不会连底层配件一起自己造,连带开个冶炼厂和碳纤维厂之类的,自己的合金配方,从矿石开始建立独立的航天体系。{:soso_e113:}
Musk同学DIY成瘾,连对接口和宇航服都想着自己造。这倒有个好处,出了问题方便自己解决,但就是太花时间和 ...
对接口是波音的太重了,宇航服是实在没法用……除非像联盟最初时一样布衣,否则只能用紧凑型宇航服才足以在龙里塞6名宇航员……
楠宫萧vn 发表于 2015-1-8 14:18
Q:1. Previously, you've stated that you estimate a 50% probability of success with the attempted la ...
2级会继续提高干质比,目标是做到25至30。

这也不是一般的自信。
这也不是一般的自信。
Q:What kind of mass ratio do your upper stages have?
A:With sub-cooled propellant, I think we can get the Falcon 9 upper stage mass ratio (excluding payload) to somewhere between 25 and 30. Another way of saying that is the upper stage would be close to 97% propellant by mass.

也许会使用类似半人马座的气球储箱
cmj9808 发表于 2015-1-8 16:56
两个助推器飞回发射场,芯级落驳船
猛禽那380的比冲是怎么来的?
猛禽那380的比冲是怎么来的?
那是真空版,超大面积比。
楠宫萧vn 发表于 2015-1-9 14:13
Q:What kind of mass ratio do your upper stages have?
A:With sub-cooled propellant, I think we c ...
如果液氧煤油能作到这程度,NASA应该考虑重启冒险星了。
楠宫萧vn 发表于 2015-1-9 14:25
那是真空版,超大面积比。
那也太过了吧,面积比打算上200不成?
emellzzq 发表于 2015-1-9 14:23
猛禽那380的比冲是怎么来的?
助推级的比冲是321/363s,上面级才是380

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2 ... ocket-raptor-power/
emellzzq 发表于 2015-1-9 14:26
如果液氧煤油能作到这程度,NASA应该考虑重启冒险星了。
液氧煤油比冲低,氢氧就做不到这么高了
emellzzq 发表于 2015-1-9 14:26
如果液氧煤油能作到这程度,NASA应该考虑重启冒险星了。
重启冒险星确实有了基础,不过不是这个,是波音的5.2米碳纤维液氢储箱
emellzzq 发表于 2015-1-9 14:47
那也太过了吧,面积比打算上200不成?

全流量补燃循环液氧甲烷,做到380s也正常。
而且真空版(380s)只比地面起飞级真空比冲(363s)高17s,真空版面积比估计也就100多,多半还是想做到超高推重比。
地面比冲348s哪里来的?写错了吧。
论坛游侠 发表于 2015-1-9 18:16
地面比冲348s哪里来的?写错了吧。
哪里有地面比冲348s?
cmj9808 发表于 2015-1-9 19:50
哪里有地面比冲348s?
有人理解错了,艾龙说的是MCT第二级用真空比冲380秒的发动机,对应FH上面用的345秒的Merlin 1D Vac:
In your recent MIT talk , you mentioned that you didn't think 2nd stage recovery was possible for the Falcon 9. This is due to low fuel efficiency of kerosene fuel, and the high velocities needed for many payloads (high orbits like Geostationary orbit). However, you also said that full reusability would be possible for the Mars Colonial Transporter launch vehicle. What have you learned from flights of Falcon 9 that taught you a. that reuse of its second stage won't be possible and b. what you'll need to do differently with MCT to reuse its second stage.
       

Actually, we could make the 2nd stage of Falcon reusable and still have significant payload on Falcon Heavy, but I think our engineering resources are better spent moving on to the Mars system. MCT will have meaningfully higher specific impulse engines: 380 vs 345 vac Isp. For those unfamiliar, in the rocket world, that is a super gigantic difference for stages of roughly equivalent mass ratio (mass full to mass empty).
cmj9808 发表于 2015-1-9 17:09
液氧煤油比冲低,氢氧就做不到这么高了
我是说干质比提高的程度。氢氧也按这幅度提高干质比,单级入轨的压力真的不大了。
论坛游侠 发表于 2015-1-9 17:49
全流量补燃循环液氧甲烷,做到380s也正常。
而且真空版(380s)只比地面起飞级真空比冲(363s)高17s ...
起飞的是地面321,真空363,面积比已经不小了。
笑脸男人 发表于 2015-1-8 14:47
宇航服找维多利亚的秘密来设计吗?
签名图什么意思?我还以为看到最后会把子弹压爆然后血肉横飞。

emellzzq 发表于 2015-1-11 18:47
起飞的是地面321,真空363,面积比已经不小了。


甲烷机地面比冲和真空比冲差异通常有40~50s,比煤油机来的更大。
且MCT需要多机并联,Raptor也不可能用太大面积比,否则包络比较紧张。另外,面积比大了地面比冲也会降低,以目前透露的参数看,个人估计Raptor起飞级面积比也就25~30。
emellzzq 发表于 2015-1-11 18:47
起飞的是地面321,真空363,面积比已经不小了。


甲烷机地面比冲和真空比冲差异通常有40~50s,比煤油机来的更大。
且MCT需要多机并联,Raptor也不可能用太大面积比,否则包络比较紧张。另外,面积比大了地面比冲也会降低,以目前透露的参数看,个人估计Raptor起飞级面积比也就25~30。
说好的680吨猛禽呢→_→来自: Android客户端
论坛游侠 发表于 2015-1-12 10:58
甲烷机地面比冲和真空比冲差异通常有40~50s,比煤油机来的更大。
且MCT需要多机并联,Raptor也不可能 ...
40+总还是有的把~谁有这数据?
喜欢玩ksp!?
喜欢玩ksp!?
还有魔兽和质量效应
.I tend to like FPS with a story, like Bioshock, Fallout or Mass Effect, but was also a big fan of Civ and Warcraft.
emellzzq 发表于 2015-1-12 12:56
40+总还是有的把~谁有这数据?
没公布,其他的甲烷机可以参考一下:
YF77M,室压10MPa、面积比30,地面比冲293s、真空比冲346s。
BE-4,室压13MPa、面积比23,地面比冲307s、真空比冲342s。
RD-0162,室压16MPa、面积比??,地面比冲321s、真空比冲356s。
还有魔兽和质量效应
.I tend to like FPS with a story, like Bioshock, Fallout or Mass Effect, but w ...
求玩ksp的原文
求玩ksp的原文
这个不是我说的,我也不清楚



http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/com ... amp&amp&amp

[–]ElonMuskOfficial[S] 2302  6 天 前
At first, I was thinking we would just scale up Falcon Heavy, but it looks like it probably makes more sense just to have a single monster boost stage.

[–]Skov 2103  6 天 前
Nice to see you are doing things the Kerbal way.


[–]ElonMuskOfficial[S] 4062 6 天 前
Kerbal is awesome!

fc20 发表于 2015-1-12 20:04
求玩ksp的原文


http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/com ... amp&amp&amp

[–]ElonMuskOfficial[S] 2302  6 天 前
At first, I was thinking we would just scale up Falcon Heavy, but it looks like it probably makes more sense just to have a single monster boost stage.

[–]Skov 2103  6 天 前
Nice to see you are doing things the Kerbal way.


[–]ElonMuskOfficial[S] 4062 6 天 前
Kerbal is awesome!