超级军网继F-1之后，阿根廷采购鹰狮计划再次被英国压力搞黄。
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10月份阿根廷想从巴西转购已下单36架鹰狮之中的24架，用来补充装备老化的空军。英国发现后，威胁巴西说会停止供应在英国生产的零件，导致巴西中止和阿根廷合作。在这次计划之前，阿根廷意图从西班牙购买F-1也因为技术、资金和政治原因破产。阿根廷空军内部人士透露，如果西方不能满足阿根廷空军需求，将不得不转向俄罗斯或者中国战机。
来源：http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141130/DEFREG05/311300010/Argentina-s-Jet-Fighter-Replacement-Options-Narrow
看来阿根廷对欧美还抱着幻想啊，有它哭的。10月份阿根廷想从巴西转购已下单36架鹰狮之中的24架，用来补充装备老化的空军。英国发现后，威胁巴西说会停止供应在英国生产的零件，导致巴西中止和阿根廷合作。在这次计划之前，阿根廷意图从西班牙购买F-1也因为技术、资金和政治原因破产。阿根廷空军内部人士透露，如果西方不能满足阿根廷空军需求，将不得不转向俄罗斯或者中国战机。
来源：http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141130/DEFREG05/311300010/Argentina-s-Jet-Fighter-Replacement-Options-Narrow
看来阿根廷对欧美还抱着幻想啊，有它哭的。
来源：http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141130/DEFREG05/311300010/Argentina-s-Jet-Fighter-Replacement-Options-Narrow
看来阿根廷对欧美还抱着幻想啊，有它哭的。10月份阿根廷想从巴西转购已下单36架鹰狮之中的24架，用来补充装备老化的空军。英国发现后，威胁巴西说会停止供应在英国生产的零件，导致巴西中止和阿根廷合作。在这次计划之前，阿根廷意图从西班牙购买F-1也因为技术、资金和政治原因破产。阿根廷空军内部人士透露，如果西方不能满足阿根廷空军需求，将不得不转向俄罗斯或者中国战机。
来源：http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141130/DEFREG05/311300010/Argentina-s-Jet-Fighter-Replacement-Options-Narrow
看来阿根廷对欧美还抱着幻想啊，有它哭的。
买F-1都有经济问题，还能买得起鹰狮?
阿根廷根本不用买战斗机
买基洛，S400，C602，委托兔子开发射程600公里的火箭炮就行了
买基洛，S400，C602，委托兔子开发射程600公里的火箭炮就行了
让你买，让你买。叫你不买龙龙。
不是我们逼你买枭龙，实在是牛牛帮我们推销太热情
好傻好天真，吃了一次亏还没醒
多少头牛换一架啊
继续哭去吧
不相信眼泪的结果，报应。
阿根廷为什么还傍着西方？除了种族因素外，有什么原因吗？
中国出枭龙、飞豹帮他们收回马岛。
中国出枭龙、飞豹帮他们收回马岛。
哭泣国还能买战机吗？不是还债都成问题了吗！
canyuyige 发表于 2014-12-11 08:29
阿根廷为什么还傍着西方？除了种族因素外，有什么原因吗？
哭泣国好多是西班牙和意大利后裔。据说精英，中产好多有双重国籍，另一个国籍不少是西班牙和意大利。这样的国家能不傍着西方吗？
canyuyige 发表于 2014-12-11 08:29
阿根廷为什么还傍着西方？除了种族因素外，有什么原因吗？
哭泣国好多是西班牙和意大利后裔。据说精英，中产好多有双重国籍，另一个国籍不少是西班牙和意大利。这样的国家能不傍着西方吗？
哭泣国已经是朽木不可雕也
我有知识我自豪 发表于 2014-12-11 08:40
哭泣国好多是西班牙和意大利后裔。据说精英，中产好多有双重国籍，另一个国籍不少是西班牙和意大利。这 ...
快来买小龙吧，傍西方麽滴好果子吃
哭泣国好多是西班牙和意大利后裔。据说精英，中产好多有双重国籍，另一个国籍不少是西班牙和意大利。这 ...
快来买小龙吧，傍西方麽滴好果子吃
链接打不开。
这个二货国家二得还不够，继续二下去吧。
西方虐阿千百遍，阿待西方如初恋的节奏～话说英国的影响力蛮大嘛，平时没看出ta这么大能耐
军事赵括 发表于 2014-12-11 08:51
链接打不开。
Argentina's Jet Fighter Replacement Options Narrow
BUENOS AIRES AND ISLAMABAD — The UK’s moves to block the sale of Gripen fighters to Argentina has triggered a round of angry accusations in Buenos Aires, while laying bare Argentina’s dilemmas in replenishing its fighter fleet after years of neglect.
It also raised the prospect of Argentina purchasing fighters from Russia or China, experts said.
While Gripens are made by Saab of Sweden, about 30 percent of the aircraft contains parts supplied by the UK, Argentina’s longtime foe.
On Oct. 31, Argentina’s defense minister announced an interest in purchasing 24 Gripens. According to a senior military source in Buenos Aires, the proposal to sell 24 Gripen fighters, at a cost of US $2.9 billioncame as an initiative of the Brazil’s Ministry of Defense and was briefly discussed and accepted by its Argentine counterpart. In October, Brazil signed a deal to purchase 36 Gripens.
The same source pointed out that Saab, the original builder and owner of the design of the Gripen, “never made any attempt to offer the aircraft directly, neither new nor second-hand, possibly because the firm’s officials knew that the UK would block any sale to Argentina.”
In recent years Saab has provided Argentina with other weapon systems, including its RBS-70 man portable air defense system (MANPADS) and AT4 anti-tank rockets, which do not include British components.
After Britain balked at the transfer of Gripens to Argentina, local commentators pointed out that the failure of previous attempts to acquire surplus Mirage F-1s from Spain and refurbished Kfirs from Israel was also the result of diplomatic interference by London.
But, according to Emilio Meneses, a defense analyst based at Santiago, the reasons Buenos Aires failed to take earlier measures to replace its old Mirages, which were procured both new and second-hand in the 1970s and ’80s, “are more related to local politics and fiscal finances than to any kind of foreign intervention.”
Defense budgets have been systematically reduced in Argentina since the mid-1980s. The military dictatorship, after being defeated in its attempt to take the Falkland Islands by force, was forced to restore democracy and to give back power to an elected civilian government.
“In that scenario, where cutting budgets was seen by the public as a sort of fair punishment over the armed forces, the political authorities found it easy to underfund the military,” Meneses said.
The underfunding of the armed forces reached an all time low in 2003, when President Nestor Kirchner came in office. Kirchner’s policies were continued by his wife, Cristina Fernandez, who was elected president in 2007.
The senior military source in Buenos Aires said Spain started to offer its surplus Mirage F-1s in 2008, but Fernandez rejected the request of funding to procure those jet fighters. The aircraft were offered again late in 2012, when the serviceability of the remaining older Mirages in the Argentine inventory had reached a critical level.
But the Argentine government failed to grant the funding to procure the Mirage F1s in time. The Spanish capacity to provide airworthiness certification for the fighter jets, as required by the very strict Argentine regulations, ended.
The option to get such certification from France was very expensive, as the French government and industry were more interested in persuading Argentina to take surplus Mirage 2000s instead.
As a result, the Spanish Mirage F-1s were discarded and negotiations to procure a number of refurbished Israel Aerospace Industries Kfir fighter jets started. The negotiations suffered from a lack of support from Argentina’s higher levels of government, and the Air Force also had some misgivings about the aging Israeli machines. As result of both, the negotiations stalled.
As for what may happen now, the local military source pointed out that France has had a long-standing interest to sell some of its used Mirage 2000s, which are modern enough and by being single-engine fulfills one of the basic requirements of the Argentine Air Force.
The source also underlined that the Air Force prefers Western aircraft, but would be willing to consider a Russian option if the West doesn’t provide a solution.
A Russian solution would be financially convenient for cash-strapped Argentina, as President Vladimir Putin, who made an official visit to Buenos Aires last September, offered to accept beef, wheat and other food goods as payment for military equipment.
The China Option
Yet some analysts believe there is another path.
Analysts such as author and former air commodore Kaiser Tufail said China’s FC-1/JF-17 is well-suited to Argentina’s operational requirements when considering acquisition and operating costs, as well as an increasing range of advanced weaponry.
“I believe that, given Argentina’s serious financial troubles, the FC-1/JF-17 would be just the right choice,” he said. “Despite the aircraft being short-legged, it is cheap and can be bought in large numbers.”
Similarly, analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said Argentina’s occasionally difficult relations with Western nations and inability to modernize its airpower since 1982 means the FC-1/JF-17 should be all the more attractive.
“Argentina’s Air Force needs urgent replacements and FC-1/JF-17 very much fits the bill. It is more or less embargo free since it has almost zero parts involved from Western nations/NATO member states,” he said.
Chinese officials reportedly offered the FC-1 to Argentina last year at the Paris Air Show, and even offered an option of local assembly, but the Argentineans were apparently more tempted by offers of surplus Mirage F-1s from France and Spain respectively, and also an Israeli offer of Kfir Block 60s, before these options fell out of favor.
Argentina has a growing defense relationship with China that has seen it start to co-produce the Changhe Z-11, the CZ-11 Pampero, which is based on the Eurocopter A350 Ecureuil (Squirrel).
The CZ-11 program is part of Argentina’s bid to build up its aviation industry, therefore the offer of local production of the FC-1/JF-17 could still be tempting.
“I’m not sure what the base line of the local production capacity is, but this might be one of the avenues to have Argentina buy this aircraft. China has been very impressive with the line of weapons it has tabled in the past few years and it might just be able to fulfill all of Argentina’s requirements,” Khan said.
However, notwithstanding the FC-1/JF-17’s merits vis-a-vis Argentina’s operational requirements and its low operating costs, and despite China being Argentina’s second largest trading partner, plus its support for Argentina’s claim over the Falkland Islands, analysts acknowledge politics may yet impede a deal, especially considering the strength of an alternative Russian offer.
Brian Cloughley, former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, believes the Russians may win.
“The FC-1/JF-17 is an excellent system, and Argentina could do worse than equip its Air Force accordingly, but the devil is in the detail, and given Russia’s concentration on expanding its trade and general economic cooperation with South American nations, it is likely that Moscow could offer a very good deal involving provision of Flankers.”
Nevertheless, Tufail does not think that purchasing Russian aircraft, such as members of the Flanker family, would be of much practical benefit to Argentina.
“Russian fighters would most certainly be unaffordable in large numbers and would merely be showpieces,” he said. “Also going in favor of the FC-1/JF-17 is the demonstrated operational status with an important air force like the [Pakistani Air Force].
“A BVR weapons fit would be an irresistible icing on the package,” he added, referencing the SD-10A beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile currently arming Pakistani JF-17s.
Given the efforts the British have put into denying Argentina advanced aircraft, Cloughley, who started his military career in the British Army, said Britain’s diplomatic efforts to deny Argentina the chance to modernize its airpower may have backfired by pushing it into the arms of China and Russia.
He said the British may now be more worried at the threat to their military supremacy.
“It is little wonder the British are worried, because, given the savage defense cuts of all governments that have reduced the armed forces to near impotence, the Argentineans could probably take over the Falklands if they had some more modern equipment,” he said. “In practical terms, the numbers of Argentinean aircraft would not matter a great deal, because the British couldn’t get there to defend the islands, anyway.” ■
Email: jhiguera@defensenews.com; uansari@defensenews.com.
链接打不开。
Argentina's Jet Fighter Replacement Options Narrow
BUENOS AIRES AND ISLAMABAD — The UK’s moves to block the sale of Gripen fighters to Argentina has triggered a round of angry accusations in Buenos Aires, while laying bare Argentina’s dilemmas in replenishing its fighter fleet after years of neglect.
It also raised the prospect of Argentina purchasing fighters from Russia or China, experts said.
While Gripens are made by Saab of Sweden, about 30 percent of the aircraft contains parts supplied by the UK, Argentina’s longtime foe.
On Oct. 31, Argentina’s defense minister announced an interest in purchasing 24 Gripens. According to a senior military source in Buenos Aires, the proposal to sell 24 Gripen fighters, at a cost of US $2.9 billioncame as an initiative of the Brazil’s Ministry of Defense and was briefly discussed and accepted by its Argentine counterpart. In October, Brazil signed a deal to purchase 36 Gripens.
The same source pointed out that Saab, the original builder and owner of the design of the Gripen, “never made any attempt to offer the aircraft directly, neither new nor second-hand, possibly because the firm’s officials knew that the UK would block any sale to Argentina.”
In recent years Saab has provided Argentina with other weapon systems, including its RBS-70 man portable air defense system (MANPADS) and AT4 anti-tank rockets, which do not include British components.
After Britain balked at the transfer of Gripens to Argentina, local commentators pointed out that the failure of previous attempts to acquire surplus Mirage F-1s from Spain and refurbished Kfirs from Israel was also the result of diplomatic interference by London.
But, according to Emilio Meneses, a defense analyst based at Santiago, the reasons Buenos Aires failed to take earlier measures to replace its old Mirages, which were procured both new and second-hand in the 1970s and ’80s, “are more related to local politics and fiscal finances than to any kind of foreign intervention.”
Defense budgets have been systematically reduced in Argentina since the mid-1980s. The military dictatorship, after being defeated in its attempt to take the Falkland Islands by force, was forced to restore democracy and to give back power to an elected civilian government.
“In that scenario, where cutting budgets was seen by the public as a sort of fair punishment over the armed forces, the political authorities found it easy to underfund the military,” Meneses said.
The underfunding of the armed forces reached an all time low in 2003, when President Nestor Kirchner came in office. Kirchner’s policies were continued by his wife, Cristina Fernandez, who was elected president in 2007.
The senior military source in Buenos Aires said Spain started to offer its surplus Mirage F-1s in 2008, but Fernandez rejected the request of funding to procure those jet fighters. The aircraft were offered again late in 2012, when the serviceability of the remaining older Mirages in the Argentine inventory had reached a critical level.
But the Argentine government failed to grant the funding to procure the Mirage F1s in time. The Spanish capacity to provide airworthiness certification for the fighter jets, as required by the very strict Argentine regulations, ended.
The option to get such certification from France was very expensive, as the French government and industry were more interested in persuading Argentina to take surplus Mirage 2000s instead.
As a result, the Spanish Mirage F-1s were discarded and negotiations to procure a number of refurbished Israel Aerospace Industries Kfir fighter jets started. The negotiations suffered from a lack of support from Argentina’s higher levels of government, and the Air Force also had some misgivings about the aging Israeli machines. As result of both, the negotiations stalled.
As for what may happen now, the local military source pointed out that France has had a long-standing interest to sell some of its used Mirage 2000s, which are modern enough and by being single-engine fulfills one of the basic requirements of the Argentine Air Force.
The source also underlined that the Air Force prefers Western aircraft, but would be willing to consider a Russian option if the West doesn’t provide a solution.
A Russian solution would be financially convenient for cash-strapped Argentina, as President Vladimir Putin, who made an official visit to Buenos Aires last September, offered to accept beef, wheat and other food goods as payment for military equipment.
The China Option
Yet some analysts believe there is another path.
Analysts such as author and former air commodore Kaiser Tufail said China’s FC-1/JF-17 is well-suited to Argentina’s operational requirements when considering acquisition and operating costs, as well as an increasing range of advanced weaponry.
“I believe that, given Argentina’s serious financial troubles, the FC-1/JF-17 would be just the right choice,” he said. “Despite the aircraft being short-legged, it is cheap and can be bought in large numbers.”
Similarly, analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said Argentina’s occasionally difficult relations with Western nations and inability to modernize its airpower since 1982 means the FC-1/JF-17 should be all the more attractive.
“Argentina’s Air Force needs urgent replacements and FC-1/JF-17 very much fits the bill. It is more or less embargo free since it has almost zero parts involved from Western nations/NATO member states,” he said.
Chinese officials reportedly offered the FC-1 to Argentina last year at the Paris Air Show, and even offered an option of local assembly, but the Argentineans were apparently more tempted by offers of surplus Mirage F-1s from France and Spain respectively, and also an Israeli offer of Kfir Block 60s, before these options fell out of favor.
Argentina has a growing defense relationship with China that has seen it start to co-produce the Changhe Z-11, the CZ-11 Pampero, which is based on the Eurocopter A350 Ecureuil (Squirrel).
The CZ-11 program is part of Argentina’s bid to build up its aviation industry, therefore the offer of local production of the FC-1/JF-17 could still be tempting.
“I’m not sure what the base line of the local production capacity is, but this might be one of the avenues to have Argentina buy this aircraft. China has been very impressive with the line of weapons it has tabled in the past few years and it might just be able to fulfill all of Argentina’s requirements,” Khan said.
However, notwithstanding the FC-1/JF-17’s merits vis-a-vis Argentina’s operational requirements and its low operating costs, and despite China being Argentina’s second largest trading partner, plus its support for Argentina’s claim over the Falkland Islands, analysts acknowledge politics may yet impede a deal, especially considering the strength of an alternative Russian offer.
Brian Cloughley, former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, believes the Russians may win.
“The FC-1/JF-17 is an excellent system, and Argentina could do worse than equip its Air Force accordingly, but the devil is in the detail, and given Russia’s concentration on expanding its trade and general economic cooperation with South American nations, it is likely that Moscow could offer a very good deal involving provision of Flankers.”
Nevertheless, Tufail does not think that purchasing Russian aircraft, such as members of the Flanker family, would be of much practical benefit to Argentina.
“Russian fighters would most certainly be unaffordable in large numbers and would merely be showpieces,” he said. “Also going in favor of the FC-1/JF-17 is the demonstrated operational status with an important air force like the [Pakistani Air Force].
“A BVR weapons fit would be an irresistible icing on the package,” he added, referencing the SD-10A beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile currently arming Pakistani JF-17s.
Given the efforts the British have put into denying Argentina advanced aircraft, Cloughley, who started his military career in the British Army, said Britain’s diplomatic efforts to deny Argentina the chance to modernize its airpower may have backfired by pushing it into the arms of China and Russia.
He said the British may now be more worried at the threat to their military supremacy.
“It is little wonder the British are worried, because, given the savage defense cuts of all governments that have reduced the armed forces to near impotence, the Argentineans could probably take over the Falklands if they had some more modern equipment,” he said. “In practical terms, the numbers of Argentinean aircraft would not matter a great deal, because the British couldn’t get there to defend the islands, anyway.” ■
Email: jhiguera@defensenews.com; uansari@defensenews.com.
快来买小龙吧，傍西方麽滴好果子吃
最后搞不好就买毛货。哭泣国貌似南美国家里全算比较反华的。主要原因也是国家主体就是把自己当白人欧洲国家看待。因此我不看好中阿军贸。
最后搞不好就买毛货。哭泣国貌似南美国家里全算比较反华的。主要原因也是国家主体就是把自己当白人欧洲国家看待。因此我不看好中阿军贸。
我有知识我自豪 发表于 2014-12-11 09:11
最后搞不好就买毛货。哭泣国貌似南美国家里全算比较反华的。主要原因也是国家主体就是把自己当白人欧洲国 ...
内个内个的！白支持他马岛的那个了
最后搞不好就买毛货。哭泣国貌似南美国家里全算比较反华的。主要原因也是国家主体就是把自己当白人欧洲国 ...
内个内个的！白支持他马岛的那个了
天野远子 发表于 2014-12-11 08:54
西方虐阿千百遍，阿待西方如初恋的节奏～话说英国的影响力蛮大嘛，平时没看出ta这么大能耐
欺负欺负阿根廷，自然是轻松省事，当然要抓住机会出出风头
西方虐阿千百遍，阿待西方如初恋的节奏～话说英国的影响力蛮大嘛，平时没看出ta这么大能耐
欺负欺负阿根廷，自然是轻松省事，当然要抓住机会出出风头
也跟国内政治的问题，以前从来没问土鳖买过东西
那些YY买发财的洗洗睡吧，阿根廷非常反华，没人敢买中国货的
阿根廷在总体上还是要倒向西方，不然就是整个北约一起揍他了，这笔账阿根廷还是很清楚的。
内个内个的！白支持他马岛的那个了
主要还是经济。以后和南美搞自贸区当然需要人家支持和配合。
主要还是经济。以后和南美搞自贸区当然需要人家支持和配合。
我有知识我自豪 发表于 2014-12-11 09:37
主要还是经济。以后和南美搞自贸区当然需要人家支持和配合。
自己找死，就哭泣吧
主要还是经济。以后和南美搞自贸区当然需要人家支持和配合。
自己找死，就哭泣吧
本草纲目云:故脑残无药可医
西方虐阿千百遍，阿待西方如初恋的节奏～话说英国的影响力蛮大嘛，平时没看出ta这么大能耐
主要是没有钱，
主要是没有钱，
canyuyige 发表于 2014-12-11 08:29
阿根廷为什么还傍着西方？除了种族因素外，有什么原因吗？
可不敢得罪整个西方世界。
阿根廷为什么还傍着西方？除了种族因素外，有什么原因吗？
可不敢得罪整个西方世界。
呵呵 还买小龙呢 多去龙腾看看 阿网民对天朝那是嗤之以鼻 一百个瞧不上 在他们眼里 吃饭是小 冥猪兹有是大
白皮中最不识时务还莫名仇华的 就是这帮相对贫困的拉丁裔
白皮中最不识时务还莫名仇华的 就是这帮相对贫困的拉丁裔
最后搞不好就买毛货。哭泣国貌似南美国家里全算比较反华的。主要原因也是国家主体就是把自己当白人欧洲国 ...
没有钱买毛货，上次哭泣国连出访的钱都没有，靠幻想反华渴望西方同情还有什么好说的呢。
没有钱买毛货，上次哭泣国连出访的钱都没有，靠幻想反华渴望西方同情还有什么好说的呢。
阿根廷为什么还傍着西方？除了种族因素外，有什么原因吗？
南美原来就是美国后院，从经济政治文化各角度都有大量欧美利益代言人。阿根廷在南美都属于比较二的，绝无仅有的发达国家发展成了发展中国家的。
说白了，国家机器基本上不怎么正常运转的，还能指望他们能有什么国家观念？即使反美的委内瑞拉，相当数量的人还拿美国当亲爹呢
南美原来就是美国后院，从经济政治文化各角度都有大量欧美利益代言人。阿根廷在南美都属于比较二的，绝无仅有的发达国家发展成了发展中国家的。
说白了，国家机器基本上不怎么正常运转的，还能指望他们能有什么国家观念？即使反美的委内瑞拉，相当数量的人还拿美国当亲爹呢
小龙才真正是哭泣国的不二选择！
吃两次亏，还不长记性！
攻击波 发表于 2014-12-11 08:29
多好的机会啊，中国赶紧和阿根廷签个协议，阿根廷出人帮中国构建足球训练体系，中国出枭龙、飞豹帮他们收回 ...
我还是觉得英国的卖国工党更有外交价值
多好的机会啊，中国赶紧和阿根廷签个协议，阿根廷出人帮中国构建足球训练体系，中国出枭龙、飞豹帮他们收回 ...
我还是觉得英国的卖国工党更有外交价值canyuyige 发表于 2014-12-11 09:15
内个内个的！白支持他马岛的那个了
也是为了牵制英国佬，大家互相利用，敌人的敌人就是朋友嘛，今后变成敌人那就再说啦
内个内个的！白支持他马岛的那个了
也是为了牵制英国佬，大家互相利用，敌人的敌人就是朋友嘛，今后变成敌人那就再说啦
找兔子吗
canyuyige 发表于 2014-12-11 08:29
阿根廷为什么还傍着西方？除了种族因素外，有什么原因吗？
不傍西方傍谁？大毛和流氓兔靠得住吗？西方里面也不是铁板一块。
阿根廷为什么还傍着西方？除了种族因素外，有什么原因吗？
不傍西方傍谁？大毛和流氓兔靠得住吗？西方里面也不是铁板一块。
阿买几架飞机 就能得罪整个西方这个结论 从何说起。。。
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