印媒:中国人绝对不想打仗 印刺激解放军太愚蠢

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【环球军事报道】印度“雷迪夫”网站 9月24日文章,原题:驱散拉达克的战争迷雾 陆军总司令苏哈格推迟对不丹的访问,而这本应是他出任陆军总司令以来首次出访。此事引起猜测,有人认为这是因为与中国边界的紧张。

  我唯一一次见到将军是去年在陆军军事学院。我受邀到那里发表演讲。当时将军是东部军区司令,我们自然聊到印中关系。

  让我吃惊的是将军对印度面临的多方面“中国挑战”的了解之深,以及他渊博的学识和冷静、理性及着眼长远的风度。

  事实上凭我10多年从事外交工作的经验来看,印度军中大多数高级军官并不鲁莽、空洞地炫耀武力,而是把战争看做严肃的事情,并且在事实上,把避免战争视为他们的职责。

  我说这些,是因为现在我们的电视上有太多不负责任的言论,说中国策动对印度发动战争。连前外交官都热衷推波助澜,错误解释中国国家主席习近平所讲的打“局部战争”,仿佛这是直接威胁印度似的。

  今天《商业标准报》刊登一篇异常坦率的文章,作者见多识广,拥有军事背景,能接触到军方高层。文章道出实情——“总部在列城(印控克什米尔拉达克地区首府——编者注)的第14军的印度指挥官感到乐观,认为这一对峙同过去40年所有对峙一样,将通过讨论解决。”一名将军说:“中国人明确表示这块区域仍存争议。但他们绝对不想打仗。”

  我希望,作者能深入讨论到底是什么导致“这一对峙”。有报道称,事情缘起于印方开始以“全国农村就业保障法”(NREGA)名义派出“平民”,在那个与解放军经常对峙的争议激烈的地区挖水渠。

  请问,不推迟那些“崇高的任务”、不等到习近平访问结束就开始,不是太愚蠢了吗?毕竟,最优化地利用习近平的来访符合我们的利益。习近平作为国家主席不太可能再访问印度了,而发展水平超过印度50年的中国是我们非常重要的邻居,我们需要学会如何与它和平友好相处也是常识。

  真正让我不安的是:是谁下令在印度和中国努力创造边界的空地启动这个愚蠢的“农村就业保障法”的?

  这是一个地方层面刺激解放军的愚蠢决定,还是他们国家主席即将来访,还要试探他们反应的行为?难道这是经过陆军总部批准的吗?要真是经过批准的,我简直不寒而栗。

  围绕印中关系的危险误解和耸人听闻的谣言,只会大大增加总理莫迪稳定两国关系的困难,更不要说推动达成与中国“公平和公正”的边界解决方案了,这种解决无疑符合印度的利益。


【99大改定型时高原试验秘照曝光】
http://mil.huanqiu.com/observation/2014-09/5149373.html

【环球军事报道】印度“雷迪夫”网站 9月24日文章,原题:驱散拉达克的战争迷雾 陆军总司令苏哈格推迟对不丹的访问,而这本应是他出任陆军总司令以来首次出访。此事引起猜测,有人认为这是因为与中国边界的紧张。

  我唯一一次见到将军是去年在陆军军事学院。我受邀到那里发表演讲。当时将军是东部军区司令,我们自然聊到印中关系。

  让我吃惊的是将军对印度面临的多方面“中国挑战”的了解之深,以及他渊博的学识和冷静、理性及着眼长远的风度。

  事实上凭我10多年从事外交工作的经验来看,印度军中大多数高级军官并不鲁莽、空洞地炫耀武力,而是把战争看做严肃的事情,并且在事实上,把避免战争视为他们的职责。

  我说这些,是因为现在我们的电视上有太多不负责任的言论,说中国策动对印度发动战争。连前外交官都热衷推波助澜,错误解释中国国家主席习近平所讲的打“局部战争”,仿佛这是直接威胁印度似的。

  今天《商业标准报》刊登一篇异常坦率的文章,作者见多识广,拥有军事背景,能接触到军方高层。文章道出实情——“总部在列城(印控克什米尔拉达克地区首府——编者注)的第14军的印度指挥官感到乐观,认为这一对峙同过去40年所有对峙一样,将通过讨论解决。”一名将军说:“中国人明确表示这块区域仍存争议。但他们绝对不想打仗。”

  我希望,作者能深入讨论到底是什么导致“这一对峙”。有报道称,事情缘起于印方开始以“全国农村就业保障法”(NREGA)名义派出“平民”,在那个与解放军经常对峙的争议激烈的地区挖水渠。

  请问,不推迟那些“崇高的任务”、不等到习近平访问结束就开始,不是太愚蠢了吗?毕竟,最优化地利用习近平的来访符合我们的利益。习近平作为国家主席不太可能再访问印度了,而发展水平超过印度50年的中国是我们非常重要的邻居,我们需要学会如何与它和平友好相处也是常识。

  真正让我不安的是:是谁下令在印度和中国努力创造边界的空地启动这个愚蠢的“农村就业保障法”的?

  这是一个地方层面刺激解放军的愚蠢决定,还是他们国家主席即将来访,还要试探他们反应的行为?难道这是经过陆军总部批准的吗?要真是经过批准的,我简直不寒而栗。

  围绕印中关系的危险误解和耸人听闻的谣言,只会大大增加总理莫迪稳定两国关系的困难,更不要说推动达成与中国“公平和公正”的边界解决方案了,这种解决无疑符合印度的利益。


【99大改定型时高原试验秘照曝光】
其实中国人很想打仗,前提是揍别人,能顺带开疆拓土更好了。30年了,实在是忍太久了,终究会憋不住的,印度别当第一个倒霉鬼。
不愚蠢不三哥!
看来三哥还是有明白人的!
其实阿三这次说对了,中国人自古以来就是爱好和平的,中华民族没有侵略的基因。另外多说一句,俺们不惹事但也不怕事。
只有小聪明,木牛大智慧。
印度在学美英,双方大哥会面前占领几百米土地,然后用刚刚占领的中国土地谈条件, 换取中国的其他东西,类似于围棋的作劫打劫,西方人习惯这种做法,印度也在学。比如MD用台湾、南海、国内人权等作为和中国政府谈判的筹码,其实这些筹码和MD有个毛关系,都是中国内政。
关键还是某大国一直吃这套,惯着这帮强盗,现在连强盗养的狗也这样做。
印度精英阶层中相当一部分人是极为亲西方的。
印度也出公知
媒体,就是烂嘴,什么都是它们说的。
这是三哥的原文?
表示怀疑
太tm清醒了
中国确实不喜欢打仗,但是中国绝不是不敢打仗

从过往几次边境冲突来看,中国一出手,就必定是狠手
铁路建好,机场建好直接开片
mlgbd阿三又选上个尼赫鲁?
理性,向往和平的少,此人在印度会被喷死,中国出现这种也会被喷。媒体是无敌的
楼主能把三锅原文贴出来看看不??
看起来不太像三锅这种智商能说出来的话啊
mlgbd阿三又选上个尼赫鲁?
墓地自己应该没那么傻,但被自己煽动的所谓民意绑架就不好说了
红与蓝 发表于 2014-9-26 09:01
印度在学美英,双方大哥会面前占领几百米土地,然后用刚刚占领的中国土地谈条件, 换取中国的其他东西,类 ...
中国的历史包袱还是太多,希望国家实力不断发展壮大后甩掉!
其实阿三这次说对了,中国人自古以来就是爱好和平的,中华民族没有侵略的基因。另外多说一句,俺们不惹事但 ...

中国人不侵略?猴子哭了。
那你去查查锡兰国王是如何被郑和抓到北京见朱棣的?
锡兰的佛牙如何被郑和抢到北京的?


说中国人不侵略,那只是李中堂的忽悠。

秦皇汉武是不会同意的,苗人越人必须哭死几百回。



说中国人不侵略,那只是李中堂的忽悠。

秦皇汉武是不会同意的,苗人越人必须哭死几百回。

乱石空空 发表于 2014-9-26 11:24
说中国人不侵略,那只是李中堂的忽悠。

秦皇汉武是不会同意的,苗人越人必须哭死几百回。
你这句回复才是忽悠。苗、越是中华的一分子,对此只会更认同。
你这句回复才是忽悠。苗、越是中华的一分子,对此只会更认同。
你以为只有中国才有苗人越人?
印度总是以为他去打或者吓唬别人,别人是不会还手的,62年那次就是。。。

这个可能和他们的文化和宗教有关
sinksleep 发表于 2014-9-26 10:18
媒体,就是烂嘴,什么都是它们说的。
这事儿不是媒体的事情,印度精英就是这么想的,7楼说的基本属实
阿三可以试一下。来自: Android客户端
发展水平超过印度50年的中国?
印度什么时候这么谦虚?
中国的朋友还是少了点,阿三这样的猪队友也不适合做朋友啊

要打速度的
乱石空空 发表于 2014-9-26 11:58
你以为只有中国才有苗人越人?
我指的是中华民族大家庭里的苗、越!
你想说什么?如果企图挑拨民族关系或激起邦交国矛盾,就不用回复我了。
超级谍报员 发表于 2014-9-26 08:46
其实阿三这次说对了,中国人自古以来就是爱好和平的,中华民族没有侵略的基因。另外多说一句,俺们不惹事但 ...
中国人自古以来就是爱好和平的,开疆扩土从来不首先使用武力
说为了钱是愚蠢的  才是真愚蠢。
这都是准备投资印度200亿惹的祸。军界不沾点好处怎么行 ? 没我的份儿  就在边界给你搞点事。

由此看来墓地上台与锅褡档最终也没区别,印度换谁都没用,除非出现一个太祖似的人物。
黑TG者死 发表于 2014-9-26 10:49
楼主能把三锅原文贴出来看看不??
看起来不太像三锅这种智商能说出来的话啊
帮楼主上原文。

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/09/24/scattering-the-fog-of-war-in-ladakh/

Scattering the fog of war in Ladakh

The postponement of the traditional visit by the army chief General Dalbir Singh Suhag to Bhutan as his first official engagement abroad has fueled speculation that it was due to the tensions on the border with China. If so, it is a silver lining on the horizon.

The only time I met the general was last year on the hallowed grounds of the Army War College in Mhow, where I had gone to lecture as a guest speaker, at the Commandant’s residence in the evening at a splendid dinner. (When dusk falls on an old British-era cantonment that was pivotal in the 1857 Mutiny, strange inchoate emotions well up.) The general was the eastern corps commander at that time and we naturally drifted into a conversation regarding India-China relations.
What struck me was the general’s profound knowledge of the multi-faceted “China challenge” that India faces and his remarkable intellectual depth and erudition to discuss it calmly, rationally and with a long-term perspective.
In fact, except for a handful of “ex-faujis” in Delhi who after retirement took to the pleasures of geopolitics and “think-tanking” (much like gardening or fishing), my experience in the foreign service from the Pakistan desk for over a decade has been that most senior minds in the Indian military establishment are not given to impetuous, vacuous saber-rattling and would regard war as serious business and consider it their professional task, in fact, to avoid causing wars. Indeed, wars cost human lives and plunge whole families into unspeakable sorrows and results in a wastage of the country’s latent talents and resources.
I say this, because there is so much irresponsible talk in our television channels today about an impending war that China is allegedly planning against India. Alas, even former diplomats gleefully contributed to the misinterpretation of the reported remarks by Chinese President Xi Jinping to fight “regional wars” as if it were holding out a direct threat to India.
A refreshingly candid article appeared in Business Standard today, written by a usually well-informed columnist with military background and access to the top brass, which puts on the table the actual state of play — “Indian commanders in the Leh-headquartered 14 Corps, however, are sanguine that this confrontation, like every other in the last four decades, will be resolved through discussions. “The Chinese are making the point that this area remains disputed,” says one general. “They absolutely don’t want a shooting war.” (here).
I wish the author hadn’t stopped short of entering into an insightful discussion as to what actually led to “this confrontation.” There are reports to the effect that it all began when the Indian side began dispatching “civilians” under the (in)famous NREGA program to dig irrigation canals in that tense disputed region where face-offs with the PLA usually happen.
People say in informal conversations in Delhi’s social circuit that India may have provoked “this confrontation”. Is it really so? The country has a right to know. Don’t throw us to the wolves in the Delhi TV studios.
Pray, wasn’t it downright stupid not to have deferred that noble mission to create purchasing power through the NREGA , unemployed (and unemployable) Indians who may be living in those parts until at least Xi’s visit got over?
After all, it was in our interests that we made use of Xi’s visit optimally. It’s improbable that Xi would visit India during his 10-year term again. It’s also plain common sense that China, which outstrips India by almost a half century in development, is a hugely important neighbor with which we need to learn to live with in peace and cordiality.
What troubles me really in all this is something else: Who ordered this stupid NREGA initiative on those vacant spaces where India and China are struggling to create a border where none existed in all of our two ancient histories? What was the chain of command like?
Was it a stupid decision taken at a miserably local level to provoke the Chinese PLA commanders on the border or to test their reflexes when their president was due to visit India? Or, was it with the knowledge and approval of the Army Hqs? I shudder to think the latter was the case.
Besides, where does the Indian leadership come in here? After all, it is Prime Minister Narendra Modi who is being caricatured today by the opposition Congress Party as spineless and cowardly in squaring up to Chinese “aggression”. Indeed, he was made to look foolish and out of touch realities on our TV screens that historic afternoon and evening on the Sabarmati river banks last Thursday.
Specifically, was National Security Advisor Ajit Doval who prepared Modi’s approach paper on Xi’s visit in the loop? I fervently hope that wasn’t the case and Doval was completely taken aback by our NREGA initiative. But then, that would also cast him in poor light as someone who doesn’t see the weeds growing beneath his feet and is perennially doomed to stumble in his handling of foreign and security policies.
To be sure, someone at a responsible level needs to take the nation into confidence. (I don’t mean the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.) The dangerous misperceptions and alarmist rumors that swirl around India-China relationship will only make it that much harder for Modi to stabilize that relationship and put it on a stable, predictable long-term trajectory, leave alone to pitch for a “fair and just” border settlement with China, which is no doubt in the country’s “enlightened interest”.
General Suhag should, perhaps, speak up and clear this fog of war so that sunlight penetrates the national discourse. An exclusive interview with the chief anchorman in Headlines Today, perhaps? Of course, I can’t help chuckling with pleasure in anticipation.
Posted in Military.

Tagged with 1962 India China war, Line of Actual Control.

By M K Bhadrakumar         – September 24, 2014
Scattering the fog of war in Ladakh

The postponement of the traditional visit by the army chief General Dalbir Singh Suhag to Bhutan as his first official engagement abroad has fueled speculation that it was due to the tensions on the border with China. If so, it is a silver lining on the horizon.
The only time I met the general was last year on the hallowed grounds of the Army War College in Mhow, where I had gone to lecture as a guest speaker, at the Commandant’s residence in the evening at a splendid dinner. (When dusk falls on an old British-era cantonment that was pivotal in the 1857 Mutiny, strange inchoate emotions well up.) The general was the eastern corps commander at that time and we naturally drifted into a conversation regarding India-China relations.
What struck me was the general’s profound knowledge of the multi-faceted “China challenge” that India faces and his remarkable intellectual depth and erudition to discuss it calmly, rationally and with a long-term perspective.
In fact, except for a handful of “ex-faujis” in Delhi who after retirement took to the pleasures of geopolitics and “think-tanking” (much like gardening or fishing), my experience in the foreign service from the Pakistan desk for over a decade has been that most senior minds in the Indian military establishment are not given to impetuous, vacuous saber-rattling and would regard war as serious business and consider it their professional task, in fact, to avoid causing wars. Indeed, wars cost human lives and plunge whole families into unspeakable sorrows and results in a wastage of the country’s latent talents and resources.
I say this, because there is so much irresponsible talk in our television channels today about an impending war that China is allegedly planning against India. Alas, even former diplomats gleefully contributed to the misinterpretation of the reported remarks by Chinese President Xi Jinping to fight “regional wars” as if it were holding out a direct threat to India.
A refreshingly candid article appeared in Business Standard today, written by a usually well-informed columnist with military background and access to the top brass, which puts on the table the actual state of play — “Indian commanders in the Leh-headquartered 14 Corps, however, are sanguine that this confrontation, like every other in the last four decades, will be resolved through discussions. “The Chinese are making the point that this area remains disputed,” says one general. “They absolutely don’t want a shooting war.” (here).
I wish the author hadn’t stopped short of entering into an insightful discussion as to what actually led to “this confrontation.” There are reports to the effect that it all began when the Indian side began dispatching “civilians” under the (in)famous NREGA program to dig irrigation canals in that tense disputed region where face-offs with the PLA usually happen.
People say in informal conversations in Delhi’s social circuit that India may have provoked “this confrontation”. Is it really so? The country has a right to know. Don’t throw us to the wolves in the Delhi TV studios.
Pray, wasn’t it downright stupid not to have deferred that noble mission to create purchasing power through the NREGA , unemployed (and unemployable) Indians who may be living in those parts until at least Xi’s visit got over?
After all, it was in our interests that we made use of Xi’s visit optimally. It’s improbable that Xi would visit India during his 10-year term again. It’s also plain common sense that China, which outstrips India by almost a half century in development, is a hugely important neighbor with which we need to learn to live with in peace and cordiality.
What troubles me really in all this is something else: Who ordered this stupid NREGA initiative on those vacant spaces where India and China are struggling to create a border where none existed in all of our two ancient histories? What was the chain of command like?
Was it a stupid decision taken at a miserably local level to provoke the Chinese PLA commanders on the border or to test their reflexes when their president was due to visit India? Or, was it with the knowledge and approval of the Army Hqs? I shudder to think the latter was the case.
Besides, where does the Indian leadership come in here? After all, it is Prime Minister Narendra Modi who is being caricatured today by the opposition Congress Party as spineless and cowardly in squaring up to Chinese “aggression”. Indeed, he was made to look foolish and out of touch realities on our TV screens that historic afternoon and evening on the Sabarmati river banks last Thursday.
Specifically, was National Security Advisor Ajit Doval who prepared Modi’s approach paper on Xi’s visit in the loop? I fervently hope that wasn’t the case and Doval was completely taken aback by our NREGA initiative. But then, that would also cast him in poor light as someone who doesn’t see the weeds growing beneath his feet and is perennially doomed to stumble in his handling of foreign and security policies.
To be sure, someone at a responsible level needs to take the nation into confidence. (I don’t mean the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.) The dangerous misperceptions and alarmist rumors that swirl around India-China relationship will only make it that much harder for Modi to stabilize that relationship and put it on a stable, predictable long-term trajectory, leave alone to pitch for a “fair and just” border settlement with China, which is no doubt in the country’s “enlightened interest”.
General Suhag should, perhaps, speak up and clear this fog of war so that sunlight penetrates the national discourse. An exclusive interview with the chief anchorman in Headlines Today, perhaps? Of course, I can’t help chuckling with pleasure in anticipation.

By M K Bhadrakumar
MKBhadrakumar 是资深前外交官和知名国际政治分析家。
曾在印度外交部服务了三十年,
曾担任印度驻乌兹别克斯坦和土耳其大使。
除了两次进驻前苏联,他的任务包括韩国,斯里兰卡,西德,科威特,巴基斯坦和阿富汗。
于2002年从印度外交部退休,至今潜心写作。
他在印度和国外的各种出版物发表文章,并且是德干先驱报,Rediff.com,战略文化基金会,亚洲时报和印度教徒报的专栏作家。
他写了大量关于俄罗斯,中国,中亚,伊朗,阿富汗和巴基斯坦以及关于能源安全的地缘政治的文章。

资深两个子亮点太多……

阿三看来还没被那些资深了百十年的家族折腾够
中国不想打仗,但是中国不怕打仗,上次吃掉印度三个旅,打残三个旅,咬了四个旅,这次会吃得更多,吃得更痛快!
这作者真的是阿三吗?
阿三也是有明白人的,但是傻逼铺天盖地,没办法
kt006 发表于 2014-9-26 20:24
阿三也是有明白人的,但是傻逼铺天盖地,没办法
所以说惹不起呀,打谁都行就是不能打印度。 就那十亿牲口,中国人又做不出日本禽兽的屠杀行为,咱真真惹不起啊!
bjqmytm 发表于 2014-9-26 20:57
所以说惹不起呀,打谁都行就是不能打印度。 就那十亿牲口,中国人又做不出日本禽兽的屠杀行为,咱真真惹 ...
一般来说,傻逼都喜欢挨揍