（转帖）外国网友讨论乌克兰-俄罗斯争端是谁“击落”飞 ...

AlexanderKent23 hours ago
I'll try to guess the words in the intercepted phone call as according tothe Ukraine authorities (do I believe them is a different matter).
Two Russian intelligence officers using a land line, that for some reasonpasses through Kiev's central operators' room (failure No 1, and that fromintelligence officers!).
Intelligence Officer 1 says: I did it!
Intelligence Officer 2 says: No you didn't, I did.
(failure 2 and 3, can you spot them? They both declared they were Russianintelligence officers, and both said they did it).
They then both shout into the phone: we did it!
(failure 4: they have just given the Administration in America all theyneed to say "Putin did it!).
Some people commenting on here need a reality check.
You want a war with Russia? Just count me out!
And don't use my tax-money to fund it either.

我来猜猜乌克兰截获的电话录音对话（信不信由你）
两名俄罗斯军方高官用陆线对话，不知道怎么搞的就传到了乌克兰控制台去了
（疑问1，来自俄罗斯军方高官的对话）
高官1：是我做的！
高官2：不，你没做，是我做的！
（疑问2和3，你能听出来谁是谁吗？他们两个人都说自己是俄罗斯军方高层，也说此次空难是他们干的。）
他们一起对着电话喊道，是我们干的！
（疑问4：他们都给美国足够的证据说是“普金干的！”）
一些在这里评论的人，在现实中都需要被请去喝茶。
你想和俄罗斯开战吗？不要把我算在内！
并且，不要用我缴纳的税收去资助战争。

ACARR23 hours ago
Typical comments from those fed on a diet of BBC and Sky News. How do youknow from your armchairs that Russia is the guilty part? Because William Hagueand the like told you so?

评论都很明显被BBC和天空新闻毒害了。你们坐在椅子上怎么就知道这是俄罗斯干的？因为像William Hague（英外交大臣，译者注）这样人告诉你们的？

Jayne F321 day ago
Words fail me. I just pray for all those who were onboard and theirfamilies. All those innocent people, children.

太残忍了，我想为机上所有的乘客及其家属，以及所有无辜的人们和孩子祈祷

Caratacus10AD1 day ago
'Likely' is a bit like saying 'possibly'.

“Likely”这词有点像在说“possibly”

John Paul1 day ago
I remember that another evil russian shot down a Korean civilian plane.
Pilot was Major Gennadi Osipovich shot down KAL007, a civilian planeflying with lights on and open windows, and blinking lights.

我还记得另外一起邪恶的俄罗斯射落一家韩国客机的事件。飞行员陆军上校GennadiOsipovich射落了这家灯还亮着的KAL007号民用客机。

Alex, ex-pat1 day ago
This is awful....all those people......allthose poor people.
Any plane crash is dreadful, but this....
WHAT was it doing over an airspace that was potentially dangerous?
To save money in fuel costs, perhaps?
It is comforting to know that British Airways, amongst other airlines avoidthis area, as a matter of safety policy.
Shot down by a Russian separatists' missile
Were those responsible drunk?
Putin, that cold-hearted tyrant, is just going to say "Nothing to do withme".

太糟了。。。这些乘客。。。太可怜了。。。。
每次空难都很可怕，但这次。。。。
这家飞机干嘛要在可能有危险的上空飞行？是为了节省燃料、成本？也许吧。
很庆幸，基于安全性原则，英国航空公司和其他航空公司避免在这片区域飞行。
居然被亲俄派的分裂分子用导弹打下来了
这些家伙是喝醉了吗？
普金这个冷血的暴君刚还说“这跟我无关”

JRR561 day ago
I see these cowardly Russian backed rebels still feel the need to wearbalaclavas even in summer. They must be ashamed by their actions!

我看到这些支持叛军的懦弱的俄罗斯军人在大热天还戴着巴拉克拉瓦帽子。他们应该为自己的所作所为感到羞耻

EKing1 day ago
As someone that lived through the constant threat of nuclear war withRussia as a child, I have spent most of my life wondering when the "othershoe is going to drop". Frankly, I am sick and tired of Russias abysmalapproach towards foreign policy. There is nothing "bear" - like aboutRussia or Putin; they are cowards that rely on obfuscation, deception andterrorism and I - for one - would really like to see them de-clawed once andfor all. It's enough that I have spent most of my life wondering when Russiawill "cross the line" (although it looks as if they have done thatthis time), I certainly don't want my children to suffer this fear as they growinto adulthood.

我曾经住在每时每刻担心俄罗斯核威胁的地方，我生命的大部分时间都在想下一只鞋什么时候再从空中掉下来。坦白讲，我很厌恶俄罗斯用极端的方式插手他国事务。忍无可忍，俄罗斯或者普金，只不过是依赖混乱，狡诈，崇尚恐怖主义的懦夫。我个人非常想看到他们被推翻的时刻。我一直在想俄罗斯什么时候才会踩过线（这次看上去已经踩线了），这已经够了，我不想我的孩子在成长过程中也受到同样的遭遇

megame1 day ago
Ukrainian missile hit the jet? come on Russia don't think so. What wouldthey be aiming at with a surface to air missile, do your thugs have airlinersnow.
Seems quite obvious your thugs and more than likely yourselves too didthis.
It is about time the free world not only imposed sanctions against Russiabut completely isolated Russia.

乌克兰导弹击落了客机？摆脱，俄罗斯可不这么认为。他们干嘛要拿着地对空导弹去瞄准一家客机？客机是你们这些恶棍的吗？
看上去更像是你们这些流氓自己干的。
是时候不要再去制裁俄罗斯了，直接彻底解体俄罗斯算了

lewis9011 day ago
All evidence points to Russia and its separatists of who we already knowthere are members of the Russian Reconnaissance and Sabotage Unit within.
Even as I type this Russia is not trying to help with the crash, Russia isnot being sorry.
Far from it, Putin has actually sent messages to Russian Empireterritories offering military assistance because he's anticipating a majorconflict arising over this.
As investigators rush to the site and families cry, Russian jets and tanksare being fueled and their ICBM launchers are being readied.
Russias involvement in this conflict has spectacularly backfired and theyknow it and they are now readying themselves for all out war just as they didafter they shot down Korean Flight 007.
Oh yes people, remember Korean Flight 007 for your proof of how Russiaresponds when it shoots down a commercial airliner. Their response to thisincident is almost word for word.

所有证据都指向俄罗斯和亲俄派分裂分子，我们早就知道俄罗斯侦查破坏小组部署在那了
甚至我笔下的俄罗斯根本就不打算去帮助清理现场，俄方一点都不难过
恰恰相反，普金实际上已经下达命令，全俄罗斯给予必要的军事帮助，因为他觉得这片区域可能会发生大规模冲突。
当调查人员冲向现场，空难家属痛苦欲死的时候，俄罗斯的飞机坦克正在加满油，洲际导弹都已经就位了。
俄方军方的介入让这里事与愿违，他们知道现在就要为战争总动员了，就像他们击落韩国客机007号一样
哦对了，我们还记得俄罗斯在击落韩国客机007号后的回应，这次空难的回应简直就是上次一个字一个字的复制

philg1 day ago
That may well prove to be correct. Mr. Putin, your call now.

这可能是对的，普金先生，该你出来说话了。

Nuxgael1 day ago
Why fly a plane over a country on the brink of a civil war?

为什么要把飞机飞到都要爆发内战的国家上空？

Nuxgael1 day ago
As I said before it takes western civilian deaths to make the news. Not asingle word about the Eastern Ukrainian victims and an example is April 2014where 488 civilians died that month and not a word about ambulances beingtargeted also. It is awful but all life deserves equal respect?

就像我之前所说的，每次事件都需要死几个西方人。没有任何一个东乌克兰的受害者。就像2014年的四月，共有488个人死了，却没有任何提到救护车被炸的消息。这很可恶，但不是说好的众生平等吗？

johnwight1 day ago
We all know these rebels are directed by Putin and Putin is the warcriminal who should be treated as such as he now has these innocent peoplesblood on his hands.

我们都知道普金操控着乌克兰叛军，普金是个战争罪犯，沾满了这次空难受害者的鲜血

Geordie121 day ago
Who would gain the most from this?
I want to know who permitted civilian air traffic to fly over an unstablewar zone. Perhaps knowing that and those likely to gain from the incident, willhelp point the finger at who ordered the plane shot down.

谁会从中得利最多？
我想知道到底是谁批准了一家民航飞机在动荡的战争冲突的上空飞行？也许谁从中得利了，我们就知道是谁击落了飞机

Richncl1 day ago
I have read comments by people stating that this is terrorism. This isn'tterrorism or even an act of war. This is murder, mass murder.

我读了大家的评论，都说这是恐怖袭击。这根本不是恐怖袭击，甚至都不是战争冲突。这是屠杀，大规模屠杀。

Official Trail1 day ago
What is the distinction between a plane that has been shot down, and aplane that was blown up on the ground?

一家飞机被击落和在地上爆炸的区别在哪里？

PHG1 day ago
Russia bears full responsibility for this horrific tragedy. An absolutedisgrace!

俄罗斯应该为此次可怕的悲剧附上责任，这完全是人类的耻辱

Steffb1 day ago
Putin has already reflected and passed the buck, he couldn't give twopence for what has happened.

普金已经回应了，也推卸了责任，他不能模棱两可

fishman681 day ago
Russia must pay dearly for this atrocity!

俄罗斯必须为此次暴行付出沉重的代价

Mick of the Midlands1 day ago
The Russian people listening to the pathetic reasoning of their leaderthat this was the fault of Ukraine must be shaking their heads indisbelief.It's no better than Europe being held responsible by Germanythroughout the last war for not standing back and allowing a foreign agressorto over run us all and that Doodlebugs were our responsibilty as they landedand exploded on English soil.The world must have heard some sorry excuses formass murder of other country's citizens in the past by out of control ruthlessindividuals but this childish denial has got to be the most rediculous.Russia'sdestiny lies in dangerous hands.

正在听他们最高统帅把事件责任推到乌克兰的俄罗斯人民，现在肯定在弥漫着谎言的世界中互相握手。比起欧洲各国眼睁睁的看着德国在上次世界大战中侵略并占领我们，而推卸责任，以及英国主动承担列车在英国领土爆炸来说，这很糟糕。很多人在过去已经听说过，为来自不受控的暴徒针对他国的大规模屠杀而给出的借口，但此次否认是最为荒唐的一次。俄罗斯的命运掌握在危险分子手中

miles781 day ago
For a airline company to continue to fly over a war zone when either sidehas the capability to bring down aircraft it stupid. They have to take aportion of the blame.

航空公司继续让客机在两边完全都有能力打下飞机的战区飞行，是非常愚蠢的。他们也应该为此负责。

Chris - Medic1 day ago
So, it has been proven that this was Russia has it?. Must have missed thatsomewhere.
I can not believe that this 'Crash Site' or 'Murder Scene' if you want to callit that is not cordoned off and the right people are investigating this.Citizens of many countries have been lost! Personal possessions of those onboard would have no doubt been stolen and still, bodies and body parts arelaying around the site. UK/US citizens who have families watching this as wellas other nationalities. I am gob smacked at how this whole affair has beendealt with by the worlds powers, but hey, lets blame the Russians and treatthis as an act of war shall we!
Disgusted and embarrassed to call my self human right now. Children, crew andfellow countrymen lay on that site while the topic of conversation seems to benothing to do with recovery and investigation but more about the blame game andwarmongering.
I hold my head in shame at what I am seeing and what I am reading...The worldshould be ashamed...

所以已经证明是俄罗斯干的，是不是？肯定漏了些什么吧。
我简直无法相信，你们所谓的“空难现场”或者“惨案现场”都没有警戒线围住，是不是有专业的搜查人员正在进行勘查？许多国家的人死去了！飞机上的私人物品毫无疑问会被抢劫一空，尸体残骸也散落各地。美国、英国，以及其他国家公民的家人也在看新闻的，我静观世界各强如何处理这件事件。但现在，让我们先谴责俄罗斯，它这是在发动战争。
我现在很讨厌也挺尴尬称呼自己是人类的。孩子、机组人员和死去同胞的尸体还躺在空难现场，但讨论的重点却是到处指责和宣扬战争，而不是搜查工作。
我为我看到的感到羞耻。。。全世界都该感到耻辱

Julii031 day ago
Most of this has nothing to do with Russia. The people of East Ukraine(and Crimea) do not wish to join the EU. I spoke to an online friend from EastOOkraine, who says they fear the EU and it's open immigration policies, thateveryone she knows who has traveled there the first thing they say is how manyimmigrants there are in the West now.
They won the 2010 election by majority, electing a pro-Russian leader, whowas removed by force for doing exactly the thing they elected him to do. Tothem, Putin is a hero who is standing up for their democracy. The West do notcare about their vote, they think only a pro-Western leader should be allowedas president.

大部分都跟俄罗斯无关。东乌克兰（以及克里米亚）地区的人民都不想加入欧盟。我跟一个东乌克兰人在网上交谈过，她说他们害怕欧盟和开放性的移民政策，并指出她认识的每个去欧盟旅游的人谈到的第一件事，就是那里有多少移民。
他们在2010年由绝大多数人选举出了一个亲俄派的领导人，却因为做着选民希望做的事而被武力弹劾了。对他们而言，普金是一个捍卫他们民主的英雄。西方人根本不在乎他们的选举，他们觉得只有亲西方的领导才能被选为总统。

Sigma81 day ago
Throughout the history of Russia, they have never sought for a peacefulsolution, or settled with neighbouring countries for the prospect ofpeace.
This country has survived throughout time on one word, and one word alone,
War.

纵观俄罗斯的历史，他们从来不会用和平的方式解决邻国问题
这个国家只会用一个字在世界上生存，那就是战争。

BMane1 day ago
@Sigma8
So, just like Britain and the US then...

所以，就像英国和美国一样。。。

Antonina1 day ago
@Sigma8 do youactually know the history of Russia?

你真的了解俄罗斯的历史吗？

EKing1 day ago
@Sigma8 With all duerespect...as someone that sometimes cried himself to sleep at the thought ofnuclear war as a small child...I think the word you were looking for was"fear". Russia has traded on fear for far too long and I think Ispeak for a fair number of my generation when I say I want Russia to bede-clawed.

恕我直言，对于你这种曾经在孩童时期痛哭，并一直想着核战入睡的人而言，我觉得你要找的词是“恐惧”才对。俄罗斯是恐惧的散播者的形象已经很久了，当我希望俄罗斯被推翻时，我得知道我是在为大多数我们这一代的人在发言。

kevin75941021 day ago
There is no need for war with Russia if their involvement is determined.We need to complete isolate them from the civilized world. Nothing goes in,nothing comes out. If they are involved they need to be starved until they ridthemselves of Putin.

即使发现俄罗斯有份参与，也没必要发动战争。我们需要彻底让俄罗斯解体。

John Paul1 day ago
@kevin7594102
Putin is KGB.
They will never be able to get rid of him by themselves.

普金是克格勃的
他们不可能单单凭自己弹劾他的

bob451 day ago
Agree since this madman has taken the reins it seems to be one nightmareafter another, it's time to isolate this madman.

同意，自从这个疯子掌控大局后，看上去噩梦一个接着一个，是时候孤立这个疯子了

EKing1 day ago
@kevin7594102 Agreed.No flights out of Russia, no access to international airspace....the oligarchswill soon get rid of Putin and start toeing the line.

是的。禁止飞机从俄罗斯飞向国际领空。。。全世界有权势的政治家很快就会铲除普金，重新跟着规则走吧

RICHARD J DOLAN1 day ago
This was a despicable act of terrorism  carried out by people who donot deserve a place on this planet. Putin wants the Ukraine back and he isclearly funding the and supply the so called Separatists. They have theupgraded BUK radar guided Sam systems and this was clearly what was used todown MH17. Former KGB Colonel Putin longs for the Cold War era to come back.Ronald Regan rightly termed the USSR the Evil Empire ! Putin is clearly tryingto start WW3 and he is not to be trusted at all. Do not believe a word what this tyrant says !

这是一场不应该活在这世上的人发动的卑劣的恐怖袭击。普金想得到乌克兰，很明显也资助着乌克兰的分裂势力。他们有升级的针对Buk地对空导弹的Sam防空体系，这也是击落MH17的元凶。前克格勃成员普金想把世界倒退到冷战时期。里根总统曾把前苏联比作魔鬼帝国！显然，普金想要发动第三次世界大战，他完全不值得相信。不要去相信这个暴君所说的话。

Boo211 day ago
Putin's attitude to this event is appalling.

普金对于事件的态度是非常可怕的

suzycreamcheese1 day ago
May be the other 'missing' Malaysian Airline was blown to smithereens inmid air.........anyone agree?

也许之前失联的马航飞机也是在半空被导弹击落的。。。有人同意吗？

Chris - Medic1 day ago
@suzycreamcheese Agreed,either that or that 'missing' plane is packed with Nukes ready to hit anywherejust incase this event doesn't get the desired results!

同意，这两架飞机都载有核武器，以防事件没有得到预期的目的！

John Paul1 day ago
@suzycreamcheese
Over which War zone?
There is no war zone over where the plane disappeared...

在哪个战区上空？
飞机消失的地方根本没有战区。。。

wantajob1 day ago
Now an American citizen was on board, America is going to become veryangry expect more sanctions!!

现在，一个美国公民死掉了，美国很生气，后果很严重，期待更多的制裁

Born In the USA1 day ago
@wantajob America ismaking no distinction between citizens, why are you?  I don't know yournationality but there has been no other nation in history who has provided moreaid to any country than America.  Where there is a civil catastrophe, theUS has always been there (e.g Philippine disaster, Balkan Relief, Mozambiquefloods).  Sorry....where were the Russians?  The Chinese?  Whoelse provides the level of aid the US does...not even the Brits.

美国没有区分平民，为什么你会？我不知道你的国籍，但历史上，没有一个国家比美国提供的国际援助还要多。哪里有灾难，哪里就有美国的身影（比如说菲律宾海啸，巴尔干半岛救援，莫桑比克洪水）。对不起。。。俄罗斯又在哪呢？中国人呢？哪个国家还提供过同等量的援助？他们甚至还没英国援助的多。

Seanler1 day ago
@Born In the USA @wantajob
President Obama said just after the crash that "America's First andForemost priority is to find out what American Citizens were onboard".
But anyways it is up to every country to condemn and act on thisterrorism, not just America. Or this insane behaviour will carry on.

奥巴马总统在空难之后马上说，“美国的首要目的是确认有多少美国公民在飞机上。”当然，不仅仅是美国，关键在于每个国家对恐怖袭击的谴责和行动。

John Paul1 day ago
@Born In the USA @wantajob
You are misreading the post

你在误导

megame1 day ago
@Born In the USA @wantajob
Just in case you do not know England is a lot smaller than your USA and sois our economy, it is clear we give more than you when you take intoaccount our country's size and economy size

只是以防你不知道英国不管地理上还是经济上的规模都比美国小得多，所以，考虑到这一点，英国的援助比美国的少很正常

wantajob1 day ago
This is truly a disgusting act of cowardice, there must be somedistinction between a passenger aircraft and a military aircraft?
Shame on you Putin you have a lot of blood on your hands.!

这完全是可恶的懦夫行为，应该很容易区分民用客机和军用飞机

Geordie121 day ago
@wantajob  Idon't think the so-called separatists have kit capable of doing the job. I'm not so sure Russian forces did this either. They are professionalswith the most sophisticated ant-aircraft missile systems in the world.They don't shoot down airliners flying at 33,000 feet by accident.What would Russia hope to gain by intentionally shooting one down?
As a former UK soldier during the cold war, I'm no fan of Russia.But I just cant understand why they are being immediately blamed,when the Ukrainians are the people who would benefit most.  They alsocontrol the airspace and permit civilian airlines to fly over the troubledarea, where one of their own military jets was shot down days ago.
Anyone care to explain why the finger is being pointed at Russiafirst?
Surely it cant be reverse maskirovka. Not even Putin is thatcrazy.   Am I the only one to suspect something is very wrong here.

我不认为所谓的分裂分子有能力击落客机，我也不确定是不是俄罗斯军队干的。他们是世界上使用最先进防空导弹的专家，他们不会不小心击落飞在33,000英尺高空的客机。击落这家客机，俄罗斯到底可以得到什么呢？
作为一名前冷战时期的军人，我不是俄罗斯的拥簇。但我只是不理解当乌克兰可以得利的时候，为什么俄罗斯会立刻被钉在十字架上遭人谴责。他们控制着那片领空，并允许民用客机在这片几天前刚有架军用飞机被击落的区域上空飞行。
有人出来解释为什么矛头都指向俄罗斯了吗？很明显，客机不可能是军队伪装的，连普金都不会那么傻。难道我是唯一一个觉得整件事有猫腻的吗？

eoin madden1 day ago
Nato act now - its obvious the Russian separatists did this, so gointo Ukraine and wipe these animals out. Russia wont get involved if they knowwhat's good for them.

北约行动吧 – 显然是亲俄派的分裂分子干的，所以派军队去乌克兰消灭这些牲畜吧。如果俄罗斯识相的话，是不会介入的

RealTrueBrit1 day ago
Ban ALL Flights in an out of Russia now.

禁止所有飞机进出俄罗斯

RobertGinn1 day ago
When 298 innocent people are killed in whatis an act of terrorism then someone is to blame for it & that person needsto be found & hanged for this crime as even small children were killed.Those people aboard the plane were going about their lives & not doing anyharm to anyone. If Igor Strelkov is boasting his involvement in thedowning of the plane then he needs to be caught, put on trial & executed asthat's evil. Putin calls for a ceasefire! It takes 298 innocent people to die ahorrible death for him to call for a ceasefire. I hope that the personresponsible for this plane being downed ends up hanging from a rope as whathappened to that plane is evil

在这次恐怖袭击中，有298个无辜的人死去，其中甚至有孩子，一定要找到这个凶手，绞杀他。这些人只是因为生活才去坐飞机的，没有带任何敌意。如果Igor Strelkov炫耀自己有份参与了此次行动，那么他这个恶魔就该被抓起来接受审判，并处以死刑。普金呼吁双方停火！直到298个无辜的平民死去之时，他才想到要呼吁停火。我希望这个恶魔般的凶手可以像这架飞机一样被一根绳悬挂在空中。

Stuntman Mike1 day ago
Putin is just playing statesman.He has no intention of a ceasefire andwill squirm his way around this disgrace like all the previous dictators ofRussia.By comparison,Putin looks like a naughty brigand compared to JoeStalin.Russia has no conscience,their politicos do not allow for such perceivedweakness.They treat their own population with contempt,do not think they haveany sympathy for those who have been murdered.

普金是个政治家，他没想要停火，他会绕开这次耻辱，就像之前的俄罗斯独裁者们干的一样。相反，和斯大林比，普金看上去像个下流的土匪。俄罗斯没有一点道德心，他们的政客不允许有如此明显的劣迹。他们蔑视着自己的子民，不觉得他们会为此次事件丧生的人感到一丝同情AlexanderKent23 hours ago
I'll try to guess the words in the intercepted phone call as according tothe Ukraine authorities (do I believe them is a different matter).
Two Russian intelligence officers using a land line, that for some reasonpasses through Kiev's central operators' room (failure No 1, and that fromintelligence officers!).
Intelligence Officer 1 says: I did it!
Intelligence Officer 2 says: No you didn't, I did.
(failure 2 and 3, can you spot them? They both declared they were Russianintelligence officers, and both said they did it).
They then both shout into the phone: we did it!
(failure 4: they have just given the Administration in America all theyneed to say "Putin did it!).
Some people commenting on here need a reality check.
You want a war with Russia? Just count me out!
And don't use my tax-money to fund it either.

我来猜猜乌克兰截获的电话录音对话（信不信由你）
两名俄罗斯军方高官用陆线对话，不知道怎么搞的就传到了乌克兰控制台去了
（疑问1，来自俄罗斯军方高官的对话）
高官1：是我做的！
高官2：不，你没做，是我做的！
（疑问2和3，你能听出来谁是谁吗？他们两个人都说自己是俄罗斯军方高层，也说此次空难是他们干的。）
他们一起对着电话喊道，是我们干的！
（疑问4：他们都给美国足够的证据说是“普金干的！”）
一些在这里评论的人，在现实中都需要被请去喝茶。
你想和俄罗斯开战吗？不要把我算在内！
并且，不要用我缴纳的税收去资助战争。

ACARR23 hours ago
Typical comments from those fed on a diet of BBC and Sky News. How do youknow from your armchairs that Russia is the guilty part? Because William Hagueand the like told you so?

评论都很明显被BBC和天空新闻毒害了。你们坐在椅子上怎么就知道这是俄罗斯干的？因为像William Hague（英外交大臣，译者注）这样人告诉你们的？

Jayne F321 day ago
Words fail me. I just pray for all those who were onboard and theirfamilies. All those innocent people, children.

太残忍了，我想为机上所有的乘客及其家属，以及所有无辜的人们和孩子祈祷

Caratacus10AD1 day ago
'Likely' is a bit like saying 'possibly'.

“Likely”这词有点像在说“possibly”

John Paul1 day ago
I remember that another evil russian shot down a Korean civilian plane.
Pilot was Major Gennadi Osipovich shot down KAL007, a civilian planeflying with lights on and open windows, and blinking lights.

我还记得另外一起邪恶的俄罗斯射落一家韩国客机的事件。飞行员陆军上校GennadiOsipovich射落了这家灯还亮着的KAL007号民用客机。

Alex, ex-pat1 day ago
This is awful....all those people......allthose poor people.
Any plane crash is dreadful, but this....
WHAT was it doing over an airspace that was potentially dangerous?
To save money in fuel costs, perhaps?
It is comforting to know that British Airways, amongst other airlines avoidthis area, as a matter of safety policy.
Shot down by a Russian separatists' missile
Were those responsible drunk?
Putin, that cold-hearted tyrant, is just going to say "Nothing to do withme".

太糟了。。。这些乘客。。。太可怜了。。。。
每次空难都很可怕，但这次。。。。
这家飞机干嘛要在可能有危险的上空飞行？是为了节省燃料、成本？也许吧。
很庆幸，基于安全性原则，英国航空公司和其他航空公司避免在这片区域飞行。
居然被亲俄派的分裂分子用导弹打下来了
这些家伙是喝醉了吗？
普金这个冷血的暴君刚还说“这跟我无关”

JRR561 day ago
I see these cowardly Russian backed rebels still feel the need to wearbalaclavas even in summer. They must be ashamed by their actions!

我看到这些支持叛军的懦弱的俄罗斯军人在大热天还戴着巴拉克拉瓦帽子。他们应该为自己的所作所为感到羞耻

EKing1 day ago
As someone that lived through the constant threat of nuclear war withRussia as a child, I have spent most of my life wondering when the "othershoe is going to drop". Frankly, I am sick and tired of Russias abysmalapproach towards foreign policy. There is nothing "bear" - like aboutRussia or Putin; they are cowards that rely on obfuscation, deception andterrorism and I - for one - would really like to see them de-clawed once andfor all. It's enough that I have spent most of my life wondering when Russiawill "cross the line" (although it looks as if they have done thatthis time), I certainly don't want my children to suffer this fear as they growinto adulthood.

我曾经住在每时每刻担心俄罗斯核威胁的地方，我生命的大部分时间都在想下一只鞋什么时候再从空中掉下来。坦白讲，我很厌恶俄罗斯用极端的方式插手他国事务。忍无可忍，俄罗斯或者普金，只不过是依赖混乱，狡诈，崇尚恐怖主义的懦夫。我个人非常想看到他们被推翻的时刻。我一直在想俄罗斯什么时候才会踩过线（这次看上去已经踩线了），这已经够了，我不想我的孩子在成长过程中也受到同样的遭遇

megame1 day ago
Ukrainian missile hit the jet? come on Russia don't think so. What wouldthey be aiming at with a surface to air missile, do your thugs have airlinersnow.
Seems quite obvious your thugs and more than likely yourselves too didthis.
It is about time the free world not only imposed sanctions against Russiabut completely isolated Russia.

乌克兰导弹击落了客机？摆脱，俄罗斯可不这么认为。他们干嘛要拿着地对空导弹去瞄准一家客机？客机是你们这些恶棍的吗？
看上去更像是你们这些流氓自己干的。
是时候不要再去制裁俄罗斯了，直接彻底解体俄罗斯算了

lewis9011 day ago
All evidence points to Russia and its separatists of who we already knowthere are members of the Russian Reconnaissance and Sabotage Unit within.
Even as I type this Russia is not trying to help with the crash, Russia isnot being sorry.
Far from it, Putin has actually sent messages to Russian Empireterritories offering military assistance because he's anticipating a majorconflict arising over this.
As investigators rush to the site and families cry, Russian jets and tanksare being fueled and their ICBM launchers are being readied.
Russias involvement in this conflict has spectacularly backfired and theyknow it and they are now readying themselves for all out war just as they didafter they shot down Korean Flight 007.
Oh yes people, remember Korean Flight 007 for your proof of how Russiaresponds when it shoots down a commercial airliner. Their response to thisincident is almost word for word.

所有证据都指向俄罗斯和亲俄派分裂分子，我们早就知道俄罗斯侦查破坏小组部署在那了
甚至我笔下的俄罗斯根本就不打算去帮助清理现场，俄方一点都不难过
恰恰相反，普金实际上已经下达命令，全俄罗斯给予必要的军事帮助，因为他觉得这片区域可能会发生大规模冲突。
当调查人员冲向现场，空难家属痛苦欲死的时候，俄罗斯的飞机坦克正在加满油，洲际导弹都已经就位了。
俄方军方的介入让这里事与愿违，他们知道现在就要为战争总动员了，就像他们击落韩国客机007号一样
哦对了，我们还记得俄罗斯在击落韩国客机007号后的回应，这次空难的回应简直就是上次一个字一个字的复制

philg1 day ago
That may well prove to be correct. Mr. Putin, your call now.

这可能是对的，普金先生，该你出来说话了。

Nuxgael1 day ago
Why fly a plane over a country on the brink of a civil war?

为什么要把飞机飞到都要爆发内战的国家上空？

Nuxgael1 day ago
As I said before it takes western civilian deaths to make the news. Not asingle word about the Eastern Ukrainian victims and an example is April 2014where 488 civilians died that month and not a word about ambulances beingtargeted also. It is awful but all life deserves equal respect?

就像我之前所说的，每次事件都需要死几个西方人。没有任何一个东乌克兰的受害者。就像2014年的四月，共有488个人死了，却没有任何提到救护车被炸的消息。这很可恶，但不是说好的众生平等吗？

johnwight1 day ago
We all know these rebels are directed by Putin and Putin is the warcriminal who should be treated as such as he now has these innocent peoplesblood on his hands.

我们都知道普金操控着乌克兰叛军，普金是个战争罪犯，沾满了这次空难受害者的鲜血

Geordie121 day ago
Who would gain the most from this?
I want to know who permitted civilian air traffic to fly over an unstablewar zone. Perhaps knowing that and those likely to gain from the incident, willhelp point the finger at who ordered the plane shot down.

谁会从中得利最多？
我想知道到底是谁批准了一家民航飞机在动荡的战争冲突的上空飞行？也许谁从中得利了，我们就知道是谁击落了飞机

Richncl1 day ago
I have read comments by people stating that this is terrorism. This isn'tterrorism or even an act of war. This is murder, mass murder.

我读了大家的评论，都说这是恐怖袭击。这根本不是恐怖袭击，甚至都不是战争冲突。这是屠杀，大规模屠杀。

Official Trail1 day ago
What is the distinction between a plane that has been shot down, and aplane that was blown up on the ground?

一家飞机被击落和在地上爆炸的区别在哪里？

PHG1 day ago
Russia bears full responsibility for this horrific tragedy. An absolutedisgrace!

俄罗斯应该为此次可怕的悲剧附上责任，这完全是人类的耻辱

Steffb1 day ago
Putin has already reflected and passed the buck, he couldn't give twopence for what has happened.

普金已经回应了，也推卸了责任，他不能模棱两可

fishman681 day ago
Russia must pay dearly for this atrocity!

俄罗斯必须为此次暴行付出沉重的代价

Mick of the Midlands1 day ago
The Russian people listening to the pathetic reasoning of their leaderthat this was the fault of Ukraine must be shaking their heads indisbelief.It's no better than Europe being held responsible by Germanythroughout the last war for not standing back and allowing a foreign agressorto over run us all and that Doodlebugs were our responsibilty as they landedand exploded on English soil.The world must have heard some sorry excuses formass murder of other country's citizens in the past by out of control ruthlessindividuals but this childish denial has got to be the most rediculous.Russia'sdestiny lies in dangerous hands.

正在听他们最高统帅把事件责任推到乌克兰的俄罗斯人民，现在肯定在弥漫着谎言的世界中互相握手。比起欧洲各国眼睁睁的看着德国在上次世界大战中侵略并占领我们，而推卸责任，以及英国主动承担列车在英国领土爆炸来说，这很糟糕。很多人在过去已经听说过，为来自不受控的暴徒针对他国的大规模屠杀而给出的借口，但此次否认是最为荒唐的一次。俄罗斯的命运掌握在危险分子手中

miles781 day ago
For a airline company to continue to fly over a war zone when either sidehas the capability to bring down aircraft it stupid. They have to take aportion of the blame.

航空公司继续让客机在两边完全都有能力打下飞机的战区飞行，是非常愚蠢的。他们也应该为此负责。

Chris - Medic1 day ago
So, it has been proven that this was Russia has it?. Must have missed thatsomewhere.
I can not believe that this 'Crash Site' or 'Murder Scene' if you want to callit that is not cordoned off and the right people are investigating this.Citizens of many countries have been lost! Personal possessions of those onboard would have no doubt been stolen and still, bodies and body parts arelaying around the site. UK/US citizens who have families watching this as wellas other nationalities. I am gob smacked at how this whole affair has beendealt with by the worlds powers, but hey, lets blame the Russians and treatthis as an act of war shall we!
Disgusted and embarrassed to call my self human right now. Children, crew andfellow countrymen lay on that site while the topic of conversation seems to benothing to do with recovery and investigation but more about the blame game andwarmongering.
I hold my head in shame at what I am seeing and what I am reading...The worldshould be ashamed...

所以已经证明是俄罗斯干的，是不是？肯定漏了些什么吧。
我简直无法相信，你们所谓的“空难现场”或者“惨案现场”都没有警戒线围住，是不是有专业的搜查人员正在进行勘查？许多国家的人死去了！飞机上的私人物品毫无疑问会被抢劫一空，尸体残骸也散落各地。美国、英国，以及其他国家公民的家人也在看新闻的，我静观世界各强如何处理这件事件。但现在，让我们先谴责俄罗斯，它这是在发动战争。
我现在很讨厌也挺尴尬称呼自己是人类的。孩子、机组人员和死去同胞的尸体还躺在空难现场，但讨论的重点却是到处指责和宣扬战争，而不是搜查工作。
我为我看到的感到羞耻。。。全世界都该感到耻辱

Julii031 day ago
Most of this has nothing to do with Russia. The people of East Ukraine(and Crimea) do not wish to join the EU. I spoke to an online friend from EastOOkraine, who says they fear the EU and it's open immigration policies, thateveryone she knows who has traveled there the first thing they say is how manyimmigrants there are in the West now.
They won the 2010 election by majority, electing a pro-Russian leader, whowas removed by force for doing exactly the thing they elected him to do. Tothem, Putin is a hero who is standing up for their democracy. The West do notcare about their vote, they think only a pro-Western leader should be allowedas president.

大部分都跟俄罗斯无关。东乌克兰（以及克里米亚）地区的人民都不想加入欧盟。我跟一个东乌克兰人在网上交谈过，她说他们害怕欧盟和开放性的移民政策，并指出她认识的每个去欧盟旅游的人谈到的第一件事，就是那里有多少移民。
他们在2010年由绝大多数人选举出了一个亲俄派的领导人，却因为做着选民希望做的事而被武力弹劾了。对他们而言，普金是一个捍卫他们民主的英雄。西方人根本不在乎他们的选举，他们觉得只有亲西方的领导才能被选为总统。

Sigma81 day ago
Throughout the history of Russia, they have never sought for a peacefulsolution, or settled with neighbouring countries for the prospect ofpeace.
This country has survived throughout time on one word, and one word alone,
War.

纵观俄罗斯的历史，他们从来不会用和平的方式解决邻国问题
这个国家只会用一个字在世界上生存，那就是战争。

BMane1 day ago
@Sigma8
So, just like Britain and the US then...

所以，就像英国和美国一样。。。

Antonina1 day ago
@Sigma8 do youactually know the history of Russia?

你真的了解俄罗斯的历史吗？

EKing1 day ago
@Sigma8 With all duerespect...as someone that sometimes cried himself to sleep at the thought ofnuclear war as a small child...I think the word you were looking for was"fear". Russia has traded on fear for far too long and I think Ispeak for a fair number of my generation when I say I want Russia to bede-clawed.

恕我直言，对于你这种曾经在孩童时期痛哭，并一直想着核战入睡的人而言，我觉得你要找的词是“恐惧”才对。俄罗斯是恐惧的散播者的形象已经很久了，当我希望俄罗斯被推翻时，我得知道我是在为大多数我们这一代的人在发言。

kevin75941021 day ago
There is no need for war with Russia if their involvement is determined.We need to complete isolate them from the civilized world. Nothing goes in,nothing comes out. If they are involved they need to be starved until they ridthemselves of Putin.

即使发现俄罗斯有份参与，也没必要发动战争。我们需要彻底让俄罗斯解体。

John Paul1 day ago
@kevin7594102
Putin is KGB.
They will never be able to get rid of him by themselves.

普金是克格勃的
他们不可能单单凭自己弹劾他的

bob451 day ago
Agree since this madman has taken the reins it seems to be one nightmareafter another, it's time to isolate this madman.

同意，自从这个疯子掌控大局后，看上去噩梦一个接着一个，是时候孤立这个疯子了

EKing1 day ago
@kevin7594102 Agreed.No flights out of Russia, no access to international airspace....the oligarchswill soon get rid of Putin and start toeing the line.

是的。禁止飞机从俄罗斯飞向国际领空。。。全世界有权势的政治家很快就会铲除普金，重新跟着规则走吧

RICHARD J DOLAN1 day ago
This was a despicable act of terrorism  carried out by people who donot deserve a place on this planet. Putin wants the Ukraine back and he isclearly funding the and supply the so called Separatists. They have theupgraded BUK radar guided Sam systems and this was clearly what was used todown MH17. Former KGB Colonel Putin longs for the Cold War era to come back.Ronald Regan rightly termed the USSR the Evil Empire ! Putin is clearly tryingto start WW3 and he is not to be trusted at all. Do not believe a word what this tyrant says !

这是一场不应该活在这世上的人发动的卑劣的恐怖袭击。普金想得到乌克兰，很明显也资助着乌克兰的分裂势力。他们有升级的针对Buk地对空导弹的Sam防空体系，这也是击落MH17的元凶。前克格勃成员普金想把世界倒退到冷战时期。里根总统曾把前苏联比作魔鬼帝国！显然，普金想要发动第三次世界大战，他完全不值得相信。不要去相信这个暴君所说的话。

Boo211 day ago
Putin's attitude to this event is appalling.

普金对于事件的态度是非常可怕的

suzycreamcheese1 day ago
May be the other 'missing' Malaysian Airline was blown to smithereens inmid air.........anyone agree?

也许之前失联的马航飞机也是在半空被导弹击落的。。。有人同意吗？

Chris - Medic1 day ago
@suzycreamcheese Agreed,either that or that 'missing' plane is packed with Nukes ready to hit anywherejust incase this event doesn't get the desired results!

同意，这两架飞机都载有核武器，以防事件没有得到预期的目的！

John Paul1 day ago
@suzycreamcheese
Over which War zone?
There is no war zone over where the plane disappeared...

在哪个战区上空？
飞机消失的地方根本没有战区。。。

wantajob1 day ago
Now an American citizen was on board, America is going to become veryangry expect more sanctions!!

现在，一个美国公民死掉了，美国很生气，后果很严重，期待更多的制裁

Born In the USA1 day ago
@wantajob America ismaking no distinction between citizens, why are you?  I don't know yournationality but there has been no other nation in history who has provided moreaid to any country than America.  Where there is a civil catastrophe, theUS has always been there (e.g Philippine disaster, Balkan Relief, Mozambiquefloods).  Sorry....where were the Russians?  The Chinese?  Whoelse provides the level of aid the US does...not even the Brits.

美国没有区分平民，为什么你会？我不知道你的国籍，但历史上，没有一个国家比美国提供的国际援助还要多。哪里有灾难，哪里就有美国的身影（比如说菲律宾海啸，巴尔干半岛救援，莫桑比克洪水）。对不起。。。俄罗斯又在哪呢？中国人呢？哪个国家还提供过同等量的援助？他们甚至还没英国援助的多。

Seanler1 day ago
@Born In the USA @wantajob
President Obama said just after the crash that "America's First andForemost priority is to find out what American Citizens were onboard".
But anyways it is up to every country to condemn and act on thisterrorism, not just America. Or this insane behaviour will carry on.

奥巴马总统在空难之后马上说，“美国的首要目的是确认有多少美国公民在飞机上。”当然，不仅仅是美国，关键在于每个国家对恐怖袭击的谴责和行动。

John Paul1 day ago
@Born In the USA @wantajob
You are misreading the post

你在误导

megame1 day ago
@Born In the USA @wantajob
Just in case you do not know England is a lot smaller than your USA and sois our economy, it is clear we give more than you when you take intoaccount our country's size and economy size

只是以防你不知道英国不管地理上还是经济上的规模都比美国小得多，所以，考虑到这一点，英国的援助比美国的少很正常

wantajob1 day ago
This is truly a disgusting act of cowardice, there must be somedistinction between a passenger aircraft and a military aircraft?
Shame on you Putin you have a lot of blood on your hands.!

这完全是可恶的懦夫行为，应该很容易区分民用客机和军用飞机

Geordie121 day ago
@wantajob  Idon't think the so-called separatists have kit capable of doing the job. I'm not so sure Russian forces did this either. They are professionalswith the most sophisticated ant-aircraft missile systems in the world.They don't shoot down airliners flying at 33,000 feet by accident.What would Russia hope to gain by intentionally shooting one down?
As a former UK soldier during the cold war, I'm no fan of Russia.But I just cant understand why they are being immediately blamed,when the Ukrainians are the people who would benefit most.  They alsocontrol the airspace and permit civilian airlines to fly over the troubledarea, where one of their own military jets was shot down days ago.
Anyone care to explain why the finger is being pointed at Russiafirst?
Surely it cant be reverse maskirovka. Not even Putin is thatcrazy.   Am I the only one to suspect something is very wrong here.

我不认为所谓的分裂分子有能力击落客机，我也不确定是不是俄罗斯军队干的。他们是世界上使用最先进防空导弹的专家，他们不会不小心击落飞在33,000英尺高空的客机。击落这家客机，俄罗斯到底可以得到什么呢？
作为一名前冷战时期的军人，我不是俄罗斯的拥簇。但我只是不理解当乌克兰可以得利的时候，为什么俄罗斯会立刻被钉在十字架上遭人谴责。他们控制着那片领空，并允许民用客机在这片几天前刚有架军用飞机被击落的区域上空飞行。
有人出来解释为什么矛头都指向俄罗斯了吗？很明显，客机不可能是军队伪装的，连普金都不会那么傻。难道我是唯一一个觉得整件事有猫腻的吗？

eoin madden1 day ago
Nato act now - its obvious the Russian separatists did this, so gointo Ukraine and wipe these animals out. Russia wont get involved if they knowwhat's good for them.

北约行动吧 – 显然是亲俄派的分裂分子干的，所以派军队去乌克兰消灭这些牲畜吧。如果俄罗斯识相的话，是不会介入的

RealTrueBrit1 day ago
Ban ALL Flights in an out of Russia now.

禁止所有飞机进出俄罗斯

RobertGinn1 day ago
When 298 innocent people are killed in whatis an act of terrorism then someone is to blame for it & that person needsto be found & hanged for this crime as even small children were killed.Those people aboard the plane were going about their lives & not doing anyharm to anyone. If Igor Strelkov is boasting his involvement in thedowning of the plane then he needs to be caught, put on trial & executed asthat's evil. Putin calls for a ceasefire! It takes 298 innocent people to die ahorrible death for him to call for a ceasefire. I hope that the personresponsible for this plane being downed ends up hanging from a rope as whathappened to that plane is evil

在这次恐怖袭击中，有298个无辜的人死去，其中甚至有孩子，一定要找到这个凶手，绞杀他。这些人只是因为生活才去坐飞机的，没有带任何敌意。如果Igor Strelkov炫耀自己有份参与了此次行动，那么他这个恶魔就该被抓起来接受审判，并处以死刑。普金呼吁双方停火！直到298个无辜的平民死去之时，他才想到要呼吁停火。我希望这个恶魔般的凶手可以像这架飞机一样被一根绳悬挂在空中。

Stuntman Mike1 day ago
Putin is just playing statesman.He has no intention of a ceasefire andwill squirm his way around this disgrace like all the previous dictators ofRussia.By comparison,Putin looks like a naughty brigand compared to JoeStalin.Russia has no conscience,their politicos do not allow for such perceivedweakness.They treat their own population with contempt,do not think they haveany sympathy for those who have been murdered.

普金是个政治家，他没想要停火，他会绕开这次耻辱，就像之前的俄罗斯独裁者们干的一样。相反，和斯大林比，普金看上去像个下流的土匪。俄罗斯没有一点道德心，他们的政客不允许有如此明显的劣迹。他们蔑视着自己的子民，不觉得他们会为此次事件丧生的人感到一丝同情