美媒:巴基斯坦空军少将谈“枭龙”近况及未来发展(部分 ...

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然而,值得注意的是,在巴空军自己给出的数据里提到,该机执行了13500次飞行任务,而总飞行时数为10000小时,也就是说每次飞行任务时间约45分钟。



前空军准将杜菲尔称:“即使算上空中加油能力(这将受到战术态势和后勤方面的诸多限制),这样短的留空时间仍然是许多潜在用户所不能接受的。”
“加装保形油箱是多用途版JF-17战斗机改进的核心内容,但这对于巴基斯坦来说并不容易。因为这会涉及到大幅度改进飞机的气动外形,需要进行重新试飞,包括重新进行飞行性能的评估”。
艾哈迈迪少将则表示,他们正在“基于用户的需要”考虑其他解决方案。
“我们已经开发成功了双联炸弹挂架,并由巴基斯坦空军进行了飞行测试。同时我们正在评估用同样构型的挂架携带导弹的可能性,”他说。(观察者网注,这样就可以在携带3个副油箱的同时携带较多的武器)
尽管枭龙战机的生产主要由国有的巴基斯坦航空工业公司进行,但艾哈迈迪少将特意提到,这个项目中也有私营企业参加。
“多家巴基斯坦私人承包商从项目论证阶段就已经加入工作,他们参与这一项目是很重要的。”他说。
艾哈迈迪少将强调,目前有多家外国用户正在考察JF-17战斗机。不过由于战斗机出口在政治上高度敏感,且相关考察情况也也有技术敏感性,因此他只能透露一项非常大胆的出口项目已经进行到相当深入阶段。
他同时表示,在世界经济不景气的今天,JF-17是一个非常有吸引力的选项。因为它“性价比很高,而且具备最先进的能力,”而且“在与它类似的价格区间内,没有飞机能够提供类似的性能”。
艾哈迈迪少将说,他们可以“根据不同用户的需要专门定制航空电子和武器系统”,同时他们也可以一揽子为用户提供训练、保修和后勤支持服务,其中包括了“自主研发的服务方案,包括测试系统和模拟器”。
不过艾哈迈迪并未证实巴基斯坦为购买JF-17的用户同时提供中国ZDK-03预警机的报道。


他证实巴基斯坦正在进行JF-17 Block III(第三阶段)航电升级项目,他表示巴方正在评估一种新型的有源相控阵雷达,以及与之配套的其他航电系统升级,这一改进也可能向未来的出口用户提供。
“目前,巴基斯坦和中国研制的新型电子系统在JF-17战斗机上进行的测试中表现都非常出色。此外我们也在考虑在Block III型JF-17上使用一些西方的电子设备。当然,它们也可以提供给未来的外国用户。”他说。


完整请看 观察者网

然而,值得注意的是,在巴空军自己给出的数据里提到,该机执行了13500次飞行任务,而总飞行时数为10000小时,也就是说每次飞行任务时间约45分钟。



前空军准将杜菲尔称:“即使算上空中加油能力(这将受到战术态势和后勤方面的诸多限制),这样短的留空时间仍然是许多潜在用户所不能接受的。”
“加装保形油箱是多用途版JF-17战斗机改进的核心内容,但这对于巴基斯坦来说并不容易。因为这会涉及到大幅度改进飞机的气动外形,需要进行重新试飞,包括重新进行飞行性能的评估”。
艾哈迈迪少将则表示,他们正在“基于用户的需要”考虑其他解决方案。
“我们已经开发成功了双联炸弹挂架,并由巴基斯坦空军进行了飞行测试。同时我们正在评估用同样构型的挂架携带导弹的可能性,”他说。(观察者网注,这样就可以在携带3个副油箱的同时携带较多的武器)
尽管枭龙战机的生产主要由国有的巴基斯坦航空工业公司进行,但艾哈迈迪少将特意提到,这个项目中也有私营企业参加。
“多家巴基斯坦私人承包商从项目论证阶段就已经加入工作,他们参与这一项目是很重要的。”他说。
艾哈迈迪少将强调,目前有多家外国用户正在考察JF-17战斗机。不过由于战斗机出口在政治上高度敏感,且相关考察情况也也有技术敏感性,因此他只能透露一项非常大胆的出口项目已经进行到相当深入阶段。
他同时表示,在世界经济不景气的今天,JF-17是一个非常有吸引力的选项。因为它“性价比很高,而且具备最先进的能力,”而且“在与它类似的价格区间内,没有飞机能够提供类似的性能”。
艾哈迈迪少将说,他们可以“根据不同用户的需要专门定制航空电子和武器系统”,同时他们也可以一揽子为用户提供训练、保修和后勤支持服务,其中包括了“自主研发的服务方案,包括测试系统和模拟器”。
不过艾哈迈迪并未证实巴基斯坦为购买JF-17的用户同时提供中国ZDK-03预警机的报道。


他证实巴基斯坦正在进行JF-17 Block III(第三阶段)航电升级项目,他表示巴方正在评估一种新型的有源相控阵雷达,以及与之配套的其他航电系统升级,这一改进也可能向未来的出口用户提供。
“目前,巴基斯坦和中国研制的新型电子系统在JF-17战斗机上进行的测试中表现都非常出色。此外我们也在考虑在Block III型JF-17上使用一些西方的电子设备。当然,它们也可以提供给未来的外国用户。”他说。


小龙漂亮,巴铁的涂装真是甩兔子3条街了。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
等我球电到位后会考虑低价倾销给巴基斯坦朋友些二手石榴姐,友情价妥妥滴
买兔子的东西不会受制于人.真打起来,西方的东西可能连导弹都发不出,因为源代码在西方人手中.
枭龙也算是神机了吧
买兔子的东西不会受制于人.真打起来,西方的东西可能连导弹都发不出,因为源代码在西方人手中.
克里莫夫表示,三儿给足够美刀,俺就停了93
“一项非常大胆的出口项目已经进行到相当深入阶段”

打算卖给谁?卖给阿三么?
水一样的风儿 发表于 2014-6-21 18:15
克里莫夫表示,三儿给足够美刀,俺就停了93
克里莫夫又表示,TG给足钱,我就把93技术卖给你
我勒个去,拿平均任务时间计算留空时间?黑的还能再弱智点么?
一边愉快地和朋友们吃着白切狗肉,一边愉快地回贴:

枭龙带副油的话,航程还是可以的。 但一旦有事必须立即抛弃副油箱,恐怕是小巴舍不得这点小钱吧。


老想着脊背油箱干哈   那玩意不可抛弃  增加死重影响空战推比

可以设想两肋进气道外侧加挂可抛弃的、紧贴进气道外侧布置联为一体的隐形油箱。这玩意  激波阻力、干扰阻力、RCS小于外挂的油箱,战前可抛弃不影响空战推比。更好。

老想着脊背油箱干哈   那玩意不可抛弃  增加死重影响空战推比

可以设想两肋进气道外侧加挂可抛弃的、紧贴进气道外侧布置联为一体的隐形油箱。这玩意  激波阻力、干扰阻力、RCS小于外挂的油箱,战前可抛弃不影响空战推比。更好。
鹏啸九天 发表于 2014-6-21 18:28
“一项非常大胆的出口项目已经进行到相当深入阶段”

打算卖给谁?卖给阿三么?

好吧   把委内瑞拉的二手石榴买了  把枭龙卖过去  当然 必须提高滞空时间和内油

好吧

我瞎猜的
期待小龙终极隐身版
这文隐约透露了,发财的续航能力和作战半径不能满足某些“潜在买家”。。。。

好吧,这潜在买家的国土到底有多大?看来不会是非洲小国啥的
mdsykk 发表于 2014-6-21 17:24
买兔子的东西不会受制于人.真打起来,西方的东西可能连导弹都发不出,因为源代码在西方人手中.
巴基斯坦是驴子国家,他可能在一段时间很铁,但是他也可以为驴子走私武器开绿灯
我怎么感觉图中的枭龙这么漂亮啊
克里莫夫又表示,TG给足钱,我就把93技术卖给你
该给的早给了,ws13b不知道各种对照搞好没有
水一样的风儿 发表于 2014-6-21 18:15
克里莫夫表示,三儿给足够美刀,俺就停了93
ws-13 表示:MD 出口有望了~
其实体型太小就是枭龙的先天不足,最好就是等比例放大后使用WS10,但这样又导致成本增加。
所以枭龙确实比较鸡肋。
这文隐约透露了,发财的续航能力和作战半径不能满足某些“潜在买家”。。。。

好吧,这潜在买家的国土到 ...
留空时间短即便对于鼻屎国也是不可接受的
glock 发表于 2014-6-21 19:01
这文隐约透露了,发财的续航能力和作战半径不能满足某些“潜在买家”。。。。

好吧,这潜在买家的国土到 ...
短短45分钟对任何使用国家都是无法满意的,小巴也就是打落牙齿活血吞吧,谁叫没钱呢
换装油耗更低,推力更大的发动机才是解决这类战斗机的出路,中国的ws13升级版(相当于f414)可能是一个解决方案
枭龙依赖副油箱,
轻型4代需要外挂隐形
换装油耗更低,推力更大的发动机才是解决这类战斗机的出路,中国的ws13升级版(相当于f414)可能是一个解决 ...
先达到原版水平,414这样的神器还很遥远
巴铁都准备出口战机了。。。三哥,您的LCA看着办吧。。。
......
枭龙增推和加保形油箱应该是接近F-16早期型吧
品天里炎 发表于 2014-6-21 21:15
......
枭龙增推和加保形油箱应该是接近F-16早期型吧
就是说也依赖副油箱
石之风 发表于 2014-6-21 20:32
短短45分钟对任何使用国家都是无法满意的,小巴也就是打落牙齿活血吞吧,谁叫没钱呢
这平均任务45分

是要这战斗推力,一直开着准备玩超音速啊

莫非你以为巡逻任务半径1300KM的JF-17能在45分钟飞完,是用什么速度和后燃状态
小龙还是有改进和升级的余地。
我觉得未来的买主应该是沙特或者伊朗。这两个主儿有钱,幅员辽阔。符合上述说法。

至于腿短的问题,我只有一个想法:难道小龙的腿比歼7还短?
幻影2000和JAS 39也是单发中推,留空时间怎么样?
歼7可算是卖了不少吧?没多少人觉得他腿短。


原文可能在此。。。这是一个有趣的文章--其实像读后感或者转述文章,是网站编辑在读了杂志上的访谈录后,自己把访谈录的内容在他的角度又阐述了一下文中采访者(前空军准将杜菲尔,现在是分析家)和被采访者(艾哈迈迪少将)的观点,里面也杂合了另外的一位智库的看法,所以造成了一些搞的地方。

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140620/DEFREG03/306200024/JF-17-Developments-Indicate-Aircraft-Still-Track

所谓45分钟的留空时间是采访者的概念和自己做的简单算法, 所谓短腿影响销路也是这个采访者在采访后写的杂志文章中的‘个人’观点。。。可以看看‘被采访者’的说法--特别是3邮箱,单油箱或不带副邮箱的说法

ISLAMABAD — Contrary to speculation, development of the JF-17 aircraft continues apace with avionics and weapons carriage capability improvements, work ongoing on future variants, and impending establishment of the third squadron.

Chief Project Director of the JF-17 program, Air Vice Marshal Javed Ahmed(人物1), told Defense News the program was “as per schedule and there are no delays,” saying the current fleet had logged 10,000 hours and flown over 13,500 sorties.

He also revealed the third squadron would be raised after Exercise High Mark 2014 toward the end of the year.

Chief among these improvements are avionics, with Ahmed highlighting they are aimed at improving “situational awareness” and the “performance and lethality of the aircraft,” but still centered on the NRIET KLJ-7 radar which supports the SD-10 beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile.

However, building on local capability, “integrating some additional smart and indigenously developed weapons” is underway, though Ahmed did not specify.

Short-range air-to-air armament, however, still consists of the PL-5E II, a recent variant of an aged weapon.

Nevertheless, analyst and former Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail (人物2)says the Air Force is happy with Chinese missiles.

“Price per unit seems to be a likely factor, besides hooking them to the fire control computer for firing zone solutions, which would also cost a fortune,” he said.

Potential payload shortcomings have also been highlighted by analysts. The JF-17 is often seen with three large drop-tanks indicating low internal fuel capacity and/or high consumption by the Klimov RD-93 engine.

However, Ahmed says the three-tank configuration is for ferry flights or “extended operational training exercises/missions” with routine flights made “in clean or single-tank configuration.”

Therefore, for smaller nations and those conducting tactical missions, “it has the requisite reach to engage targets and can also provide required on-station time in an air defense role,” and aerial refueling “further augmented reach and endurance.”

Tufail is unconvinced, though, and highlights that 10,000 hours/13,500 sorties, equates to 45 minutes per sortie.

“Notwithstanding the aerial refueling capability [which has many operational and logistics limitations], the short sortie time may be a no-no for prospective buyers,” he said.

His most likely solution is not so straightforward, however.

“[Conformal fuel tanks] are absolutely essential to a multi-role JF-17, but these are not easy to install, since the aerodynamics of the aircraft is greatly altered and it would call for flight testing in all regimes, including certification of all stores anew.”

Ahmed says other solutions are being considered “based on customer requirements.”

“The dual rack ejector for bombs has already been integrated, flight tested and being flown in PAF. A similar concept of multimissile launcher is under evaluation for missiles,” he said.

Though largely operated by state-owned and Air Force-run Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Ahmed also highlighted progress on increasing private sector involvement.

“Several Pakistani vendors have been cultivated and brought up to the proficiency levels mandated by aviation programs. The nascent aviation industry in the private sector is taking root and is gradually enhancing its share in this program of national importance,” he said.

Though numerous analysts have commented on the lack of export sales despite well-publicized promotion and apparent interest from potential customers, Ahmed defends this apparent lack of success.

“Defense purchases, especially those of combat aircraft, are expensive undertakings and are therefore preceded by lengthy evaluations and detailed deliberations by the professional decision makers. The response that the aircraft is receiving is highly encouraging and the export orders may not be far off,” he said.

He also stressed that the JF-17 was still a highly attractive option in an age of austerity as it “offers a highly cost effective solution with cutting edge capabilities,” and that “no other contemporary combat aircraft offers the same capabilities in comparable price range.”

Ahmed also highlighted customized “avionics and weapon packages according to the specific requirements of each customer” as well as training, maintenance and logistics packages, which includes “indigenously developed customized solutions, testers and simulators.”

Ahmed did not, however, shed any light on reports the JF-17 could be offered in a wider package including the Chinese ZDK-03 AEW&C aircraft.

Looking forward, Ahmed confirmed aspects of the Block III avionics package, which would include the evaluation of an active electronically scanned array radar option along with other upgrades, and this process was also mindful of potential export customer requirements.

“At present, the Chinese and indigenous systems are performing well in JF-17 aircraft. However, there are different Western proposals and considerations for avionics systems of Block-III JF-17 aircraft which could also be an option for our customer countries,” he said.

Analyst Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank (人物3) is unsure this will occur, but believes a “domestically produced engine may in the end tilt the balance towards a Chinese purchase.”

“They certainly have lots of units to replace,” he says.

Nevertheless, Shabbir said everything laid out by Ahmed “shows a well thought out road map for future variants and the capability they would provide.” ■


原文可能在此。。。这是一个有趣的文章--其实像读后感或者转述文章,是网站编辑在读了杂志上的访谈录后,自己把访谈录的内容在他的角度又阐述了一下文中采访者(前空军准将杜菲尔,现在是分析家)和被采访者(艾哈迈迪少将)的观点,里面也杂合了另外的一位智库的看法,所以造成了一些搞的地方。

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140620/DEFREG03/306200024/JF-17-Developments-Indicate-Aircraft-Still-Track

所谓45分钟的留空时间是采访者的概念和自己做的简单算法, 所谓短腿影响销路也是这个采访者在采访后写的杂志文章中的‘个人’观点。。。可以看看‘被采访者’的说法--特别是3邮箱,单油箱或不带副邮箱的说法

ISLAMABAD — Contrary to speculation, development of the JF-17 aircraft continues apace with avionics and weapons carriage capability improvements, work ongoing on future variants, and impending establishment of the third squadron.

Chief Project Director of the JF-17 program, Air Vice Marshal Javed Ahmed(人物1), told Defense News the program was “as per schedule and there are no delays,” saying the current fleet had logged 10,000 hours and flown over 13,500 sorties.

He also revealed the third squadron would be raised after Exercise High Mark 2014 toward the end of the year.

Chief among these improvements are avionics, with Ahmed highlighting they are aimed at improving “situational awareness” and the “performance and lethality of the aircraft,” but still centered on the NRIET KLJ-7 radar which supports the SD-10 beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile.

However, building on local capability, “integrating some additional smart and indigenously developed weapons” is underway, though Ahmed did not specify.

Short-range air-to-air armament, however, still consists of the PL-5E II, a recent variant of an aged weapon.

Nevertheless, analyst and former Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail (人物2)says the Air Force is happy with Chinese missiles.

“Price per unit seems to be a likely factor, besides hooking them to the fire control computer for firing zone solutions, which would also cost a fortune,” he said.

Potential payload shortcomings have also been highlighted by analysts. The JF-17 is often seen with three large drop-tanks indicating low internal fuel capacity and/or high consumption by the Klimov RD-93 engine.

However, Ahmed says the three-tank configuration is for ferry flights or “extended operational training exercises/missions” with routine flights made “in clean or single-tank configuration.”

Therefore, for smaller nations and those conducting tactical missions, “it has the requisite reach to engage targets and can also provide required on-station time in an air defense role,” and aerial refueling “further augmented reach and endurance.”

Tufail is unconvinced, though, and highlights that 10,000 hours/13,500 sorties, equates to 45 minutes per sortie.

“Notwithstanding the aerial refueling capability [which has many operational and logistics limitations], the short sortie time may be a no-no for prospective buyers,” he said.

His most likely solution is not so straightforward, however.

“[Conformal fuel tanks] are absolutely essential to a multi-role JF-17, but these are not easy to install, since the aerodynamics of the aircraft is greatly altered and it would call for flight testing in all regimes, including certification of all stores anew.”

Ahmed says other solutions are being considered “based on customer requirements.”

“The dual rack ejector for bombs has already been integrated, flight tested and being flown in PAF. A similar concept of multimissile launcher is under evaluation for missiles,” he said.

Though largely operated by state-owned and Air Force-run Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Ahmed also highlighted progress on increasing private sector involvement.

“Several Pakistani vendors have been cultivated and brought up to the proficiency levels mandated by aviation programs. The nascent aviation industry in the private sector is taking root and is gradually enhancing its share in this program of national importance,” he said.

Though numerous analysts have commented on the lack of export sales despite well-publicized promotion and apparent interest from potential customers, Ahmed defends this apparent lack of success.

“Defense purchases, especially those of combat aircraft, are expensive undertakings and are therefore preceded by lengthy evaluations and detailed deliberations by the professional decision makers. The response that the aircraft is receiving is highly encouraging and the export orders may not be far off,” he said.

He also stressed that the JF-17 was still a highly attractive option in an age of austerity as it “offers a highly cost effective solution with cutting edge capabilities,” and that “no other contemporary combat aircraft offers the same capabilities in comparable price range.”

Ahmed also highlighted customized “avionics and weapon packages according to the specific requirements of each customer” as well as training, maintenance and logistics packages, which includes “indigenously developed customized solutions, testers and simulators.”

Ahmed did not, however, shed any light on reports the JF-17 could be offered in a wider package including the Chinese ZDK-03 AEW&C aircraft.

Looking forward, Ahmed confirmed aspects of the Block III avionics package, which would include the evaluation of an active electronically scanned array radar option along with other upgrades, and this process was also mindful of potential export customer requirements.

“At present, the Chinese and indigenous systems are performing well in JF-17 aircraft. However, there are different Western proposals and considerations for avionics systems of Block-III JF-17 aircraft which could also be an option for our customer countries,” he said.

Analyst Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank (人物3) is unsure this will occur, but believes a “domestically produced engine may in the end tilt the balance towards a Chinese purchase.”

“They certainly have lots of units to replace,” he says.

Nevertheless, Shabbir said everything laid out by Ahmed “shows a well thought out road map for future variants and the capability they would provide.” ■
枭龙留空时间45分钟??
yuhongpans 发表于 2014-6-21 23:31
枭龙留空时间45分钟??
记者断章取义罢了
别人说什么,楼主帖什么,难不成事实就是什么?!!!
zhangee 发表于 2014-6-21 23:21
小龙还是有改进和升级的余地。
我觉得未来的买主应该是沙特或者伊朗。这两个主儿有钱,幅员辽阔。符合上述 ...
小龙还是有改进和升级的余地。
我觉得未来的买主应该是沙特或者伊朗。这两个主儿有钱,幅员辽阔。符合上述说法。

至于腿短的问题,我只有一个想法:难道小龙的腿比歼7还短?

沙特绝无可能,油霸也是见过世面的主,外交环境好,也不差钱,可以买双风。
小龙的半径好象是1200的。这可能是最大作战半径吧。空优加副油箱。
elyscbad 发表于 2014-6-21 23:46
沙特绝无可能,油霸也是见过世面的主,外交环境好,也不差钱,可以买双风。
这世界上谁都缺钱。
美国和以色列关系铁,而沙特是恐怖份子的老巢,美国早就不满了。如果开打的话,沙特的F15到底能发挥多大的效果?难说。
双风,难说。马岛战争,阿根廷如果不被泄底,皇家方舟会不会over?很难说。英国未来如何也不好说,除非用子宫武器,全面占领英国。再说欧洲混乱,程序复杂,不靠谱。而且美国和欧洲穿一条裤子。
小龙最大的有时就是价格便宜量又足。巴基斯坦深度参与(相对F35、F15等飞机来说),真动手的话,巴基斯坦的军事人员对装备熟悉。可能沙特会用经济援助的形式买,存在巴基斯坦。随用随取。
elyscbad 发表于 2014-6-21 23:46
沙特绝无可能,油霸也是见过世面的主,外交环境好,也不差钱,可以买双风。
这世界上谁都缺钱。
美国和以色列关系铁,而沙特是恐怖份子的老巢,美国早就不满了。如果开打的话,沙特的F15到底能发挥多大的效果?难说。
双风,难说。马岛战争,阿根廷如果不被泄底,皇家方舟会不会over?很难说。英国未来如何也不好说,除非用子宫武器,全面占领英国。再说欧洲混乱,程序复杂,不靠谱。而且美国和欧洲穿一条裤子。
小龙最大的有时就是价格便宜量又足。巴基斯坦深度参与(相对F35、F15等飞机来说),真动手的话,巴基斯坦的军事人员对装备熟悉。可能沙特会用经济援助的形式买,存在巴基斯坦。随用随取。
yes413a 发表于 2014-6-21 18:57
好吧   把委内瑞拉的二手石榴买了  把枭龙卖过去  当然 必须提高滞空时间和内油

好吧
其实你说的这买卖不错