超级军网俄方航空业内人士表示，没有与中国有苏-35的交易
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宋小姐微博---------俄方航空业内人士表示，没有与中国有苏-35的交易，但是有宽体客机的合作.看来俄方知道苏-35算个球、宽体客机才是真正给美欧”扎针“的这个道理
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TAIPEI — Russian industry officials are denying media reports that Beijing and Moscow are finalizing a deal on the sale of advanced Russian fighters and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) to China.
Widely reported by other media outlets, Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV announced that the head of Sukhoi, Mikhail Pogosyan, confirmed that a deal with China to procure Su-35S fighters and S-400 SAMs was close to concluding.
But Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) denies that Pogosyan discussed anything beyond the sale of commercial aircraft during his visit to China.
Maxim Syssoev, manager of UAC’s communications department, wrote in a news release that Pogosyan did not discuss the sale of the Su-35 with Chinese officials. However, UAC and China’s state-run Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China did sign a cooperation agreement to build wide-body long-range commercial airliners on May 20.
This does not mean that a deal on the multirole combat aircraft is dead, only that no agreement has been made, said Vasily Kashin, a researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
“As I understand, S-400 and Su-35 deals might be sped up because of the growing importance of strategic ties with China for Moscow after the Crimean crisis,” he said. However, “taking into account production cycles, the first S-400s are unlikely to reach China before 2016.”
Whether the sale goes forward today or next year, it will spell trouble for Taiwan and Japan’s efforts to defend the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. The 400-kilometer range S-400 will allow China to strike any aircraft over Taiwan. This will give China effective control of Taiwan’s airspace during a war. At present, China’s 300-kilometer range S-300s can hit aircraft only in a small section of Taiwan’s northwest coastal area.
The S-400 will make it difficult for Tokyo to control the Senkaku’s airspace. The disputed islands are controlled by Japan, but also claimed by China as the Diaoyu Islands are within 350 kilometers of China’s coast.
Taiwan is also facing a fighter shortage as older aircraft, such as the roughly 50 F-5s and 55 Mirage 2000s, begin retiring within the next 10 years. What remain are 126 upgraded indigenous defense fighters (IDFs) and 144 F-16A/B fighters. Taiwan has initiated an upgrade program for the F-16s, but still insists the US release 66 F-16C/D fighters on hold since 2006.
One response for Washington would be to sell Taiwan the “General Electric F404 or F414-class small turbofan engine that would allow Taiwan to develop its indigenous defense fighter into a very short take-off, supersonic climbing fighter,” said Richard Fisher, a senior fellow with the US-based International Assessment and Strategy Center. “With very high acceleration and climb, such a ‘Super IDF’ could develop tactics involving supersonic eastern egress to evade SAMs, gain altitude and then launch missiles down on attacking [Chinese] aircraft.”
China has an array of S-300 and HQ-9 air defense systems at its fingertips and the sale of the S-400 and technology to develop more advanced air defense systems will no doubt put the region on notice.
“This has long been expected and would be consistent with the practice of Almaz-Antey [S-300/400 manufacturer] to use foreign sales to assist the funding of their next-generation projects,” Fisher said.
“Almaz-Antey transferred S-300 technology to allow China to develop its HQ-9 family of fourth generation SAMs and it can be expected that in the future, they will sell S-400 technology to China to enable their next generation SAM as well,” he said.■
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TAIPEI — Russian industry officials are denying media reports that Beijing and Moscow are finalizing a deal on the sale of advanced Russian fighters and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) to China.
Widely reported by other media outlets, Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV announced that the head of Sukhoi, Mikhail Pogosyan, confirmed that a deal with China to procure Su-35S fighters and S-400 SAMs was close to concluding.
But Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) denies that Pogosyan discussed anything beyond the sale of commercial aircraft during his visit to China.
Maxim Syssoev, manager of UAC’s communications department, wrote in a news release that Pogosyan did not discuss the sale of the Su-35 with Chinese officials. However, UAC and China’s state-run Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China did sign a cooperation agreement to build wide-body long-range commercial airliners on May 20.
This does not mean that a deal on the multirole combat aircraft is dead, only that no agreement has been made, said Vasily Kashin, a researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
“As I understand, S-400 and Su-35 deals might be sped up because of the growing importance of strategic ties with China for Moscow after the Crimean crisis,” he said. However, “taking into account production cycles, the first S-400s are unlikely to reach China before 2016.”
Whether the sale goes forward today or next year, it will spell trouble for Taiwan and Japan’s efforts to defend the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. The 400-kilometer range S-400 will allow China to strike any aircraft over Taiwan. This will give China effective control of Taiwan’s airspace during a war. At present, China’s 300-kilometer range S-300s can hit aircraft only in a small section of Taiwan’s northwest coastal area.
The S-400 will make it difficult for Tokyo to control the Senkaku’s airspace. The disputed islands are controlled by Japan, but also claimed by China as the Diaoyu Islands are within 350 kilometers of China’s coast.
Taiwan is also facing a fighter shortage as older aircraft, such as the roughly 50 F-5s and 55 Mirage 2000s, begin retiring within the next 10 years. What remain are 126 upgraded indigenous defense fighters (IDFs) and 144 F-16A/B fighters. Taiwan has initiated an upgrade program for the F-16s, but still insists the US release 66 F-16C/D fighters on hold since 2006.
One response for Washington would be to sell Taiwan the “General Electric F404 or F414-class small turbofan engine that would allow Taiwan to develop its indigenous defense fighter into a very short take-off, supersonic climbing fighter,” said Richard Fisher, a senior fellow with the US-based International Assessment and Strategy Center. “With very high acceleration and climb, such a ‘Super IDF’ could develop tactics involving supersonic eastern egress to evade SAMs, gain altitude and then launch missiles down on attacking [Chinese] aircraft.”
China has an array of S-300 and HQ-9 air defense systems at its fingertips and the sale of the S-400 and technology to develop more advanced air defense systems will no doubt put the region on notice.
“This has long been expected and would be consistent with the practice of Almaz-Antey [S-300/400 manufacturer] to use foreign sales to assist the funding of their next-generation projects,” Fisher said.
“Almaz-Antey transferred S-300 technology to allow China to develop its HQ-9 family of fourth generation SAMs and it can be expected that in the future, they will sell S-400 technology to China to enable their next generation SAM as well,” he said.■
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TAIPEI — Russian industry officials are denying media reports that Beijing and Moscow are finalizing a deal on the sale of advanced Russian fighters and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) to China.
Widely reported by other media outlets, Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV announced that the head of Sukhoi, Mikhail Pogosyan, confirmed that a deal with China to procure Su-35S fighters and S-400 SAMs was close to concluding.
But Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) denies that Pogosyan discussed anything beyond the sale of commercial aircraft during his visit to China.
Maxim Syssoev, manager of UAC’s communications department, wrote in a news release that Pogosyan did not discuss the sale of the Su-35 with Chinese officials. However, UAC and China’s state-run Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China did sign a cooperation agreement to build wide-body long-range commercial airliners on May 20.
This does not mean that a deal on the multirole combat aircraft is dead, only that no agreement has been made, said Vasily Kashin, a researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
“As I understand, S-400 and Su-35 deals might be sped up because of the growing importance of strategic ties with China for Moscow after the Crimean crisis,” he said. However, “taking into account production cycles, the first S-400s are unlikely to reach China before 2016.”
Whether the sale goes forward today or next year, it will spell trouble for Taiwan and Japan’s efforts to defend the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. The 400-kilometer range S-400 will allow China to strike any aircraft over Taiwan. This will give China effective control of Taiwan’s airspace during a war. At present, China’s 300-kilometer range S-300s can hit aircraft only in a small section of Taiwan’s northwest coastal area.
The S-400 will make it difficult for Tokyo to control the Senkaku’s airspace. The disputed islands are controlled by Japan, but also claimed by China as the Diaoyu Islands are within 350 kilometers of China’s coast.
Taiwan is also facing a fighter shortage as older aircraft, such as the roughly 50 F-5s and 55 Mirage 2000s, begin retiring within the next 10 years. What remain are 126 upgraded indigenous defense fighters (IDFs) and 144 F-16A/B fighters. Taiwan has initiated an upgrade program for the F-16s, but still insists the US release 66 F-16C/D fighters on hold since 2006.
One response for Washington would be to sell Taiwan the “General Electric F404 or F414-class small turbofan engine that would allow Taiwan to develop its indigenous defense fighter into a very short take-off, supersonic climbing fighter,” said Richard Fisher, a senior fellow with the US-based International Assessment and Strategy Center. “With very high acceleration and climb, such a ‘Super IDF’ could develop tactics involving supersonic eastern egress to evade SAMs, gain altitude and then launch missiles down on attacking [Chinese] aircraft.”
China has an array of S-300 and HQ-9 air defense systems at its fingertips and the sale of the S-400 and technology to develop more advanced air defense systems will no doubt put the region on notice.
“This has long been expected and would be consistent with the practice of Almaz-Antey [S-300/400 manufacturer] to use foreign sales to assist the funding of their next-generation projects,” Fisher said.
“Almaz-Antey transferred S-300 technology to allow China to develop its HQ-9 family of fourth generation SAMs and it can be expected that in the future, they will sell S-400 technology to China to enable their next generation SAM as well,” he said.■
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TAIPEI — Russian industry officials are denying media reports that Beijing and Moscow are finalizing a deal on the sale of advanced Russian fighters and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) to China.
Widely reported by other media outlets, Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV announced that the head of Sukhoi, Mikhail Pogosyan, confirmed that a deal with China to procure Su-35S fighters and S-400 SAMs was close to concluding.
But Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) denies that Pogosyan discussed anything beyond the sale of commercial aircraft during his visit to China.
Maxim Syssoev, manager of UAC’s communications department, wrote in a news release that Pogosyan did not discuss the sale of the Su-35 with Chinese officials. However, UAC and China’s state-run Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China did sign a cooperation agreement to build wide-body long-range commercial airliners on May 20.
This does not mean that a deal on the multirole combat aircraft is dead, only that no agreement has been made, said Vasily Kashin, a researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
“As I understand, S-400 and Su-35 deals might be sped up because of the growing importance of strategic ties with China for Moscow after the Crimean crisis,” he said. However, “taking into account production cycles, the first S-400s are unlikely to reach China before 2016.”
Whether the sale goes forward today or next year, it will spell trouble for Taiwan and Japan’s efforts to defend the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. The 400-kilometer range S-400 will allow China to strike any aircraft over Taiwan. This will give China effective control of Taiwan’s airspace during a war. At present, China’s 300-kilometer range S-300s can hit aircraft only in a small section of Taiwan’s northwest coastal area.
The S-400 will make it difficult for Tokyo to control the Senkaku’s airspace. The disputed islands are controlled by Japan, but also claimed by China as the Diaoyu Islands are within 350 kilometers of China’s coast.
Taiwan is also facing a fighter shortage as older aircraft, such as the roughly 50 F-5s and 55 Mirage 2000s, begin retiring within the next 10 years. What remain are 126 upgraded indigenous defense fighters (IDFs) and 144 F-16A/B fighters. Taiwan has initiated an upgrade program for the F-16s, but still insists the US release 66 F-16C/D fighters on hold since 2006.
One response for Washington would be to sell Taiwan the “General Electric F404 or F414-class small turbofan engine that would allow Taiwan to develop its indigenous defense fighter into a very short take-off, supersonic climbing fighter,” said Richard Fisher, a senior fellow with the US-based International Assessment and Strategy Center. “With very high acceleration and climb, such a ‘Super IDF’ could develop tactics involving supersonic eastern egress to evade SAMs, gain altitude and then launch missiles down on attacking [Chinese] aircraft.”
China has an array of S-300 and HQ-9 air defense systems at its fingertips and the sale of the S-400 and technology to develop more advanced air defense systems will no doubt put the region on notice.
“This has long been expected and would be consistent with the practice of Almaz-Antey [S-300/400 manufacturer] to use foreign sales to assist the funding of their next-generation projects,” Fisher said.
“Almaz-Antey transferred S-300 technology to allow China to develop its HQ-9 family of fourth generation SAMs and it can be expected that in the future, they will sell S-400 technology to China to enable their next generation SAM as well,” he said.■
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media reports that it is close to selling Su-35S fighters to China. @SSG100 这段我看不懂，您来翻译下。顺便给大家科普。
media reports that it is close to selling Su-35S fighters to China. @SSG100 这段我看不懂，您来翻译下。顺便给大家科普。
This does not mean that a deal on the multirole combat aircraft is dead, only that no agreement has been made, said Vasily Kashin, a researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
“As I understand, S-400 and Su-35 deals might be sped up because of the growing importance of strategic ties with China for Moscow after the Crimean crisis,” he said. However, “taking into account production cycles, the first S-400s are unlikely to reach China before 2016.”
你自己粘贴的东西自己都没好好看，只是说协议还未达成，不意味着没有交易。标题有误导嫌疑
“As I understand, S-400 and Su-35 deals might be sped up because of the growing importance of strategic ties with China for Moscow after the Crimean crisis,” he said. However, “taking into account production cycles, the first S-400s are unlikely to reach China before 2016.”
你自己粘贴的东西自己都没好好看，只是说协议还未达成，不意味着没有交易。标题有误导嫌疑
一伸一缩，一退一进，媒体永远都是游击战，虚虚实实。
另外有多少说中国买su35、s400就直播吃#的，希望你们到时候信守承诺
另外有多少说中国不买su35、s400就直播吃#的，希望你们到时候信守承诺
@东野翔1418 你老本行，翻译一下
楼上两位的意思，无论如何，我们都有直播吃#看？
不明觉厉，买不买我还木有表态
不管TG买或不买，翔就在这里，有人直播
消息混乱啊！虚虚实实！
这样自己改标题的帖子，版主不动手么
@东野翔1418 你老本行，翻译一下
波哥只提到了宽体客机合作的问题，根本就没有提苏35和s400的问题。所以最近几天传说的苏35交易即将达成的事是完全扯犊子！！！！
波哥只提到了宽体客机合作的问题，根本就没有提苏35和s400的问题。所以最近几天传说的苏35交易即将达成的事是完全扯犊子！！！！
虽然很久不碰英文了，但也看见是莫达成协议，这标题。。。何必呢？
S-400，2016年以前莫。。。这个。。。
S-400，2016年以前莫。。。这个。。。
鹏啸九天 发表于 2014-6-1 17:34
楼上两位的意思，无论如何，我们都有直播吃#看？
过去的例子表明，一个直播都看不着
楼上两位的意思，无论如何，我们都有直播吃#看？
过去的例子表明，一个直播都看不着
反正我现在就等着某高层是如何怎么兑现他说的上半年签字的那个
都别太过了。我建议啊。到时候输的一方，喝一杯猫屎咖啡，就算直播吃米田共了。
习主席与普金的有份量申明里还真就没有军事领域的航空项目，su-35洗洗睡吧。
另外有多少说中国买su35、s400就直播吃#的，希望你们到时候信守承诺
当初说中国会买100架SU35,你这领狗粮的贱畜牲这么快就改口了？
当初说中国会买100架SU35,你这领狗粮的贱畜牲这么快就改口了？
看来赌注下的挺大
三代机都太瘦，不符合未来的发展趋势
快点买几家吧，就当打发叫花子了。。要不然烦死了。天天都来了
彩色沙林001 发表于 2014-6-1 18:53
当初说中国会买100架SU35,你这领狗粮的贱畜牲这么快就改口了？
我什么时候说了，截图、链接拿来；
另外像你这种张嘴闭嘴说脏话的，只能说父母#得早，没教育好
当初说中国会买100架SU35,你这领狗粮的贱畜牲这么快就改口了？
我什么时候说了，截图、链接拿来；
另外像你这种张嘴闭嘴说脏话的，只能说父母#得早，没教育好
guanxiaojian 发表于 2014-6-1 19:00
看来赌注下的挺大
你开车技术太好了，比毛子飞35还厉害。
看来赌注下的挺大
你开车技术太好了，比毛子飞35还厉害。
我什么时候说了，截图、链接拿来；
另外像你这种张嘴闭嘴说脏话的，只能说父母#得早，没教育好
我还以为你是SSJ100哪畜牲的马甲呢，认错人了？少量购买，研究借鉴，我是支持的，买一百架反对，中国是第一进出口大国，进口点东西很正常，你就让别人吃东西，说你不是领狗粮的贱畜牲，我真不信。
另外像你这种张嘴闭嘴说脏话的，只能说父母#得早，没教育好
我还以为你是SSJ100哪畜牲的马甲呢，认错人了？少量购买，研究借鉴，我是支持的，买一百架反对，中国是第一进出口大国，进口点东西很正常，你就让别人吃东西，说你不是领狗粮的贱畜牲，我真不信。
我只听说波戈相说有客机合作计划还有S400项目，看来SU35完全是混绕视听…
好好交流，不要骂人吗。。。
那么多27和30，用了这么多年。机体老化了吧。即使买100架也不足为奇吧?
那么多27和30，用了这么多年。机体老化了吧。即使买100架也不足为奇吧?
彩色沙林001 发表于 2014-6-1 20:08
我还以为你是SSJ100哪畜牲的马甲呢，认错人了？少量购买，研究借鉴，我是支持的，买一百架反对，中国是第 ...
1：我不是某个人马甲，而且从未说过要进口100架su35
2：你还在说我是畜牲，而且坚持不道歉，这是我的不对？
我还以为你是SSJ100哪畜牲的马甲呢，认错人了？少量购买，研究借鉴，我是支持的，买一百架反对，中国是第 ...
1：我不是某个人马甲，而且从未说过要进口100架su35
2：你还在说我是畜牲，而且坚持不道歉，这是我的不对？
鹏啸九天 发表于 2014-6-1 17:34
楼上两位的意思，无论如何，我们都有直播吃#看？
倒时候一批坟（无论买或不买就啥啥的）挖出来，就有的热闹了
楼上两位的意思，无论如何，我们都有直播吃#看？
倒时候一批坟（无论买或不买就啥啥的）挖出来，就有的热闹了
倒现在怎么还有那么多人好意思说中国看不上SU35呢？{:soso_e101:}
Caesarwang 发表于 2014-6-1 17:18
另外有多少说中国买su35、s400就直播吃#的，希望你们到时候信守承诺
几年前就YY买逆火的那些毛粉吃翔了吗？ 哪来的群嘲勇气
另外有多少说中国买su35、s400就直播吃#的，希望你们到时候信守承诺
几年前就YY买逆火的那些毛粉吃翔了吗？ 哪来的群嘲勇气
黑暗执政官 发表于 2014-6-1 20:52
几年前就YY买逆火的那些毛粉吃翔了吗？ 哪来的群嘲勇气
呵呵我可不是毛粉，买逆火我也认为是纸上谈兵，但这su35和s400中国不买？呵呵
几年前就YY买逆火的那些毛粉吃翔了吗？ 哪来的群嘲勇气
呵呵我可不是毛粉，买逆火我也认为是纸上谈兵，但这su35和s400中国不买？呵呵
Caesarwang 发表于 2014-6-1 20:54
呵呵我可不是毛粉，买逆火我也认为是纸上谈兵，但这su35和s400中国不买？呵呵
等买回来上图了再高潮吧
呵呵我可不是毛粉，买逆火我也认为是纸上谈兵，但这su35和s400中国不买？呵呵
等买回来上图了再高潮吧黑暗执政官 发表于 2014-6-1 20:56
等买回来上图了再高潮吧
呵呵我们拭目以待啊
等买回来上图了再高潮吧
呵呵我们拭目以待啊
xgh00 发表于 2014-6-1 19:36
快点买几家吧，就当打发叫花子了。。要不然烦死了。天天都来了
买su35可是人家说了算，不是你tg说了算。在军购领域，tg和有些国家一样可不是买方市场
快点买几家吧，就当打发叫花子了。。要不然烦死了。天天都来了
买su35可是人家说了算，不是你tg说了算。在军购领域，tg和有些国家一样可不是买方市场
没达成协议的东西就是没达成协议，所有协议都有不同结果，否则就不需要谈判了。用谈判的存在试图证明谈判的结果，只能说是自欺欺人
就用有些人自己的话，可以拭目以待。毛子自己都说克里米亚问题可能让谈判加速，说明本身就有很多扶持毛子的政治考虑，加上这年头兔子的要求可不低，最后能否达成协议，还要看毛子能否达到兔子要求的标准
就用有些人自己的话，可以拭目以待。毛子自己都说克里米亚问题可能让谈判加速，说明本身就有很多扶持毛子的政治考虑，加上这年头兔子的要求可不低，最后能否达成协议，还要看毛子能否达到兔子要求的标准
东野翔1418 发表于 2014-6-1 17:56
波哥只提到了宽体客机合作的问题，根本就没有提苏35和s400的问题。所以最近几天传说的苏35交易即将达成的 ...
翻译官，那上面说的鸟语提到了什么项目，鸟语学的不太好。
波哥只提到了宽体客机合作的问题，根本就没有提苏35和s400的问题。所以最近几天传说的苏35交易即将达成的 ...
翻译官，那上面说的鸟语提到了什么项目，鸟语学的不太好。
翻译官，那上面说的鸟语提到了什么项目，鸟语学的不太好。
就说波哥只是谈了宽体客机项目，没提别的。但是这不意味着苏35和s400项目就失败了。不早于2016才能可能交付s400.
就说波哥只是谈了宽体客机项目，没提别的。但是这不意味着苏35和s400项目就失败了。不早于2016才能可能交付s400.
Caesarwang 发表于 2014-6-1 21:02
买su35可是人家说了算，不是你tg说了算。在军购领域，tg和有些国家一样可不是买方市场
军购不能单纯的看。谁说了算很难说。
买su35可是人家说了算，不是你tg说了算。在军购领域，tg和有些国家一样可不是买方市场
军购不能单纯的看。谁说了算很难说。
主题善良 发表于 2014-6-1 21:26
军购不能单纯的看。谁说了算很难说。
是的。有时候有的东西有钱也买不到，有时候有的东西没钱只能卖
军购不能单纯的看。谁说了算很难说。
是的。有时候有的东西有钱也买不到，有时候有的东西没钱只能卖