波音副总裁:F35战斗机根本不隐形

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波音副总裁迈克·吉布森接受记者访问时透露F35不是先进隐形战斗机,中俄已经用F35的隐形技术测试自己的防空系统。

有些专业术语,我就不翻字典了,等高手看看。


Mike Gibbons is the vice president for Boeing’s Super Hornet and Growler programs, and has good reason to talk down the F-35s—after all, less money to Lockheed Martin likely means more for his firm. Regardless, Gibbons told Osborn and Hoffman that the F-35 is no longer as advanced of a stealth craft as once claimed, and is not as effective as the Growler when it comes to countering a wide spectrum of air defense systems.
"The density of the threat is getting more complex and more difficult. The electromagnetic spectrum is getting more complex and more difficult and requires more of what the Growler provides in electronic attack and electronic awareness. Only the Growler has this capability,"Gibbons told the website.
Russia and China, Gibbons added, have developed air defense systems that put the F-35’s stealth technology to the test. And if those capabilities should improve, then the Pentagon’s widely-touted weapons program may be no match for the offensive capabilities of foreign militaries. Advocates for Growlers say that those aircraft can outsmart some of that stealth-defying technology, but the ability to actually stay hidden may soon be slipping away from the DOD altogether.


http://rt.com/usa/154956-stealth-jet-f35-growler/波音副总裁迈克·吉布森接受记者访问时透露F35不是先进隐形战斗机,中俄已经用F35的隐形技术测试自己的防空系统。

有些专业术语,我就不翻字典了,等高手看看。


Mike Gibbons is the vice president for Boeing’s Super Hornet and Growler programs, and has good reason to talk down the F-35s—after all, less money to Lockheed Martin likely means more for his firm. Regardless, Gibbons told Osborn and Hoffman that the F-35 is no longer as advanced of a stealth craft as once claimed, and is not as effective as the Growler when it comes to countering a wide spectrum of air defense systems.
"The density of the threat is getting more complex and more difficult. The electromagnetic spectrum is getting more complex and more difficult and requires more of what the Growler provides in electronic attack and electronic awareness. Only the Growler has this capability,"Gibbons told the website.
Russia and China, Gibbons added, have developed air defense systems that put the F-35’s stealth technology to the test. And if those capabilities should improve, then the Pentagon’s widely-touted weapons program may be no match for the offensive capabilities of foreign militaries. Advocates for Growlers say that those aircraft can outsmart some of that stealth-defying technology, but the ability to actually stay hidden may soon be slipping away from the DOD altogether.


http://rt.com/usa/154956-stealth-jet-f35-growler/
竞争对手之间的言辞你也用来yy?
竞争对手之间的言辞你也用来yy?
如果是假的,这句话可以让他倾家荡产,我觉得起码能信几分
老平快来洗地了
感觉有点想骗研制经费的样子
潜台词是:别买F35了,买我的沉默鹰和沉默虫?
下半句他都没好意思说:国际大黄蜂才隐身!
路边社专员 发表于 2014-5-4 09:20
如果是假的,这句话可以让他倾家荡产,我觉得起码能信几分
如果你有看这一篇USNI文章,你可以看到USAF和USN official如何评价波音一直宣称的LO是"perishable"
http://news.usni.org/2014/04/21/stealth-vs-electronic-attack

另外根据波音之前发出的PDF,波音没有否认F35在X-band是LO,但认为F35会被其他波段击败 - 这观点也一并黑了F22,是的依照波音的逻辑我们应该要去买B-2的战斗机版

如果你有看这一篇USNI文章,你可以看到USAF和USN official如何评价波音一直宣称的LO是"perishable"  http: ...
没错,这就是波音的观点,如果F35在某种情况会被发现或者会被某种技术探测到,那不还不如买F18。
wide spectrumof air defense systems"

路边社专员 发表于 2014-5-4 09:49
没错,这就是波音的观点,如果F35在某种情况会被发现或者会被某种技术探测到,那不还不如买F18。


你应该要看到USNI那篇文章后段

他评价的确一个经过更好讯号处理(数字处理)或更先进形式(AESA)的Low frequency radar的确在精度上大有改进,但他还是无法构成"kill chain"的最后一环

不過后文提到的確夠先進的长波雷达精度能做到让你的短波cue seach或者有idea知道对方大致方向,这两者都可以增加搜所到LO的可能性,Boeing的说法并没有全错,在面对一个Advance 的 复合波段IADs需要电战配合帮忙

“Boeing is in full-court press against the [Lockheed Martin] F-35 in this briefing. As such, when they describe the advantages of the Growler–which are accurate–they ignore the tradeoff for that advantage,” said one U.S. Air Force official. “The truth is that the Growler and LO [low observable] platforms complement each other extremely well.”
路边社专员 发表于 2014-5-4 09:49
没错,这就是波音的观点,如果F35在某种情况会被发现或者会被某种技术探测到,那不还不如买F18。


你应该要看到USNI那篇文章后段

他评价的确一个经过更好讯号处理(数字处理)或更先进形式(AESA)的Low frequency radar的确在精度上大有改进,但他还是无法构成"kill chain"的最后一环

不過后文提到的確夠先進的长波雷达精度能做到让你的短波cue seach或者有idea知道对方大致方向,这两者都可以增加搜所到LO的可能性,Boeing的说法并没有全错,在面对一个Advance 的 复合波段IADs需要电战配合帮忙

“Boeing is in full-court press against the [Lockheed Martin] F-35 in this briefing. As such, when they describe the advantages of the Growler–which are accurate–they ignore the tradeoff for that advantage,” said one U.S. Air Force official. “The truth is that the Growler and LO [low observable] platforms complement each other extremely well.”
看到波音就不用再看了……
酒加懦夫 发表于 2014-5-4 09:12
竞争对手之间的言辞你也用来yy?
这有什么? 那洛马副总裁自吹自擂F35的话你就信? 对这种公司高层的话不要双重标准,吹捧的和抹黑的都是夸夸其谈。
美帝坛子里是不是也分什么洛马帮 波音帮?
奇多圈 发表于 2014-5-4 09:30
潜台词是:别买F35了,买我的沉默鹰和沉默虫?
主要是在吹EF18G咆哮者:Growler
这是说有了骨头鹰当蓝军,兔子已经把雷达搞出来并测试好了。
怪不得骨头鹰叫鹰,天生就是模拟贼鹰用的,可以模拟F35进攻,还可以模拟F22逃跑。
理工科男淫相信,隐形飞机都是时间与金钱堆出来的
嘴炮根本动摇不了任何隐形飞机
不过,美女可以
thomas1987 发表于 2014-5-4 09:38
下半句他都没好意思说:国际大黄蜂才隐身!
潜台词就这意思
拿个超虫炒冷饭,一心搞客机得了

我看也是
F-35就是一泡Si,真不知道哪来的拥趸者。
主要是在吹EF18G咆哮者:Growler
别小看growler

宁可要沉默鹰,不要肥电!哈哈
沉默虫子丑得没边
首先,他是一个商人。
TAOG 发表于 2014-5-4 09:40
如果你有看这一篇USNI文章,你可以看到USAF和USN official如何评价波音一直宣称的LO是"perishable"
http: ...

隐身本来就是一个童话
还是让它回到童话里去吧

路边社专员 发表于 2014-5-4 11:14
别小看growler
有限制模拟条件下的偶发情况罢了,台风都用机炮打下过F22. 真实空战,F18G这种超音速性能本来就稀烂,带上干扰吊舱根本不能非超音速的货,根本不是F22的对手
当然不隐身了,都是黑f35的人凑到一块当然在这里能引起共鸣。
MD最好做个测试,让全状态的肥电 VS 沉默蜂+咆哮者,看看谁厉害就心中有数了?
YmzgU 发表于 2014-5-4 11:48
隐身本来就是一个童话
还是让它回到童话里去吧
可以跟我说个原因嘛?
竞争对手直接黑,我喜欢。
kingmako 发表于 2014-5-4 11:53
MD最好做个测试,让全状态的肥电 VS 沉默蜂+咆哮者,看看谁厉害就心中有数了?
USN准备验证Boeing 说的买额外22架EA-18G是否会提升任务效率

April 24/14: The US Navy’s Carl Vinson [CVN 70] Carrier Strike Group will conduct a 3-day exercise in May, in order to test paper analysis that says raising the number of EA-18Gs Growlers on an aircraft carrier from 5 to 7-8 would be more effective overall. If the results confirm the paper analysis, an added buy in FY 2015 becomes a lot more likely. Sources: St. Louis Post-Dispatch, “New Growler construction may depend on upcoming Navy exercise”.

波音的意思是隐身不如全频电子压制来得靠谱。
TAOG 发表于 2014-5-4 11:57
可以跟我说个原因嘛?

这个说起来话就长了
一时半会儿说不过来

你要知道,天上不会掉馅饼的
这似乎意味着你不能想美事
但这并不是坏事
因为同样的
——————你也不需要担心别人的天上就会掉馅饼

YmzgU 发表于 2014-5-4 12:01
这个说起来话就长了
一时半会儿说不过来
你在说什么...?
隐身不是用“是和不是”来衡量的,而是达到什么程度的问题。抛开这个讨论标准还谈个毛啊。
TAOG 发表于 2014-5-4 11:59
USN准备验证Boeing 说的买额外22架EA-18G是否会提升任务效率

April 24/14: The US Navy’s Carl Vinso ...
波音的推销点是超强电子压制+部分隐形优于全隐形+电子压制。

毕竟F18G是到目前为止唯一能携带下一代电子干扰吊舱的。。。。。。
jin4jin5jin8 发表于 2014-5-4 12:35
波音的推销点是超强电子压制+部分隐形优于全隐形+电子压制。

毕竟F18G是到目前为止唯一能携带下一代电 ...
USAF/USN的打枪是全隐形+电子压制才是王道,可以看我11樓和8楼

另外依照我理解Boeing的论述根本不强调隐身,沒部分隐形优于全隐形之说,他的看法就是目前"战机"(大型飞翼除外)的LO设计是过时的
下半句他都没好意思说:国际大黄蜂才隐身!
潜台词当然不是这句,他的意思是既然都不隐身,那么肥电的最大优势就是空谈,而超超虫便宜又强大,应该多买后者
说得没错啊,F-35本来就只是跟J20一样的正向准隐身,F-22都不是隐身性最强又何况大一个量级的F-35这样的低端货,如果在RCS上说F-15是好比餐桌F-22是餐桌上的鸡蛋,那F-35至少应该是个汤碗,J20应该是个大点的汤碗。沉默什么的就只能是电饭煲了。