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HYDERABAD: The joint venture between India's Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Israeli Aerospace Industry to manufacture Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LR SAM) and Medium Range Surface-to-Air Missile (MR-SAM) has turned out to be a non-starter.

The long range missiles were to have been delivered to the Indian Navy by 2012 while the medium range missiles should be in the Indian Air Force weaponry by 2017. However, both the delivery schedules are way behind schedule and show no signs of meeting them even in the near future.

DRDO officials are blaming the lack of progress in the joint venture due to lack of transparency and non-transfer of technology by their Israeli counterparts. And the recent trials that were conducted by the Indian defence organization failed to meet the standards of both the IAF and the Indian Navy. The entire cost of Rs 12,500 crore of the joint venture is being funded by India and the inordinate delay and lack of progress in the project has turned into a big cause of worry in the defence ministry.

According to sources, the LR-SAMs project was commissioned in 2006 and the delivery of the missiles to the Indian Navy should have happened by 2012. Similarly, the MR-SAM venture was signed in 2009 and the missiles are to be delivered to the Indian Air Force by 2017. Both both the projects are way behind schedule and show no signs of making progress.

"Frankly speaking, right now, not much is going on in the joint venture due to various issues between the two sides. Expecting Israel to share its technology with India is unfair. But such things should have been clarified before the joint venture was entered into," said an official.

DRDO is maintaining that it is because of the lack of transfer of technology that the trials conducted so far have ended up as failures. "Industries are merely getting the drawings as to how to produce certain systems and such things are leading to deviations from the laid down specifications because the knowledge to develop the systems is not being imparted," said sources.

DRDO officials are also attributing the delay to a complicated and long procedure involving shuttling between India and Israel for various stages of development of a system etc. The Hyderabad-based Indian defence organization also reportedly found itself helpless on problems in propulsion system and other related issues while a significant number of parts or systems are yet to be tested following a delay in manufacturing.

However, when quizzed on the issue, DRDO Director General Avinash Chander told the TOI that nothing was amiss. "Everything is going on as per the plan and development trials are on. We shall be able to deliver the MR-SAMs as per schedule. Right now, the contribution from India in the joint venture project is about 20% and would ultimately reach 80% in the final stages." Regarding the already delayed LR-SAM, DRDO officials declined to come on record.

MR-SAM, one of the major demands of the forces, is to have a range of 70 kms or so, and the IAF is banking on replacing its ageing Soviet-made Pechora SAM missiles with the MR-SAMs. But nobody is sure how long the wait is going to be, and whether the delivery will take place at all.



海得拉巴:印度国防研究与发展组织(以下称DRDO)和以色列航空航天工业(以下称IAI)的合作建造远程面空导弹(LR SAM)和中程面空导弹(MR-SAM)结果竟然是一个毫无机会的项目。

远程防空导弹应当在2012交付给印度海军,而中程导弹应在2017年装备印度空军。然而,这两货的交货时间远远落后于进度表,甚至在不久的将来也没有迹象满足进度要求。

DRDO 官员将联合项目的进展归咎于他们的以色列合作伙伴缺乏技术透明度及转让。最近印度国防组织进行的相关试验结果无法满足空军和海军的要求。整个成本达12,500亿卢比的合作项目由印度投资,却一拖再拖,缺乏项目的进展已经变成国防部最担心的事。

据消息人士透露,LR-SAMS远程地空导弹项目2006年启动,2012年应当交付给印度海军。同样,在2009年签署的MR-SAM中程面空项目应当在2017年交付给印度空军。两个项目都远远落后于进度,也没有取得进展的迹象。

“老实说,现在,由于双方之间的各种问题,联合项目中没有什么研发在进行。期待以色列与印度分享其技术是不公平的,但是,这样的事情应该在订立合作之前澄清“一位官员说。

DRDO坚持认为这是因为缺乏技术转让,才导致到目前为止进行的试射以失败告终。 “工业界只获得了如何生产某些系统之类的图纸,却因为没有被传授知识来开发系统,这导致既定的技术参数达不到,”消息人士说。

DRDO官员也将推迟归咎于涉及系统开发等各阶段的复杂而长期的过程,这过程涉及到印度和以色列之间来回穿梭。据报道海得拉巴的印度国防组织也发现自己无助的在独自面对推进系统的问题及其他相关问题,同时大量的零件或系统在生产延迟之后,还有待测试。

然而,当被问及这个问题时,DRDO主任阿维纳什·钱德尔告诉TOI(印度时报),没有什么不对劲。“一切正按照计划进行,开发试验也在继续。我们将能够按进度表提供MR-SAM中程对空导弹。眼下,在合资项目中,印度的贡献约20%,最终将在最后阶段达到80%“。对于已经推迟LR-SAM,DRDO官员则拒绝记者记录内容。

MR-SAM,军队的主要需求之一,就是有70公里左右的射程,IAF指望它MR-SAM能够替换老旧的苏制伯朝拉(北约SA-3)地空导弹。但谁也不知道等待的将是多久,甚至是否将会有交付。

原文地址:
http://articles.timesofindia.ind ... r-force-indian-navy
翻译稍后送上
HYDERABAD: The joint venture between India's Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Israeli Aerospace Industry to manufacture Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LR SAM) and Medium Range Surface-to-Air Missile (MR-SAM) has turned out to be a non-starter.

The long range missiles were to have been delivered to the Indian Navy by 2012 while the medium range missiles should be in the Indian Air Force weaponry by 2017. However, both the delivery schedules are way behind schedule and show no signs of meeting them even in the near future.

DRDO officials are blaming the lack of progress in the joint venture due to lack of transparency and non-transfer of technology by their Israeli counterparts. And the recent trials that were conducted by the Indian defence organization failed to meet the standards of both the IAF and the Indian Navy. The entire cost of Rs 12,500 crore of the joint venture is being funded by India and the inordinate delay and lack of progress in the project has turned into a big cause of worry in the defence ministry.

According to sources, the LR-SAMs project was commissioned in 2006 and the delivery of the missiles to the Indian Navy should have happened by 2012. Similarly, the MR-SAM venture was signed in 2009 and the missiles are to be delivered to the Indian Air Force by 2017. Both both the projects are way behind schedule and show no signs of making progress.

"Frankly speaking, right now, not much is going on in the joint venture due to various issues between the two sides. Expecting Israel to share its technology with India is unfair. But such things should have been clarified before the joint venture was entered into," said an official.

DRDO is maintaining that it is because of the lack of transfer of technology that the trials conducted so far have ended up as failures. "Industries are merely getting the drawings as to how to produce certain systems and such things are leading to deviations from the laid down specifications because the knowledge to develop the systems is not being imparted," said sources.

DRDO officials are also attributing the delay to a complicated and long procedure involving shuttling between India and Israel for various stages of development of a system etc. The Hyderabad-based Indian defence organization also reportedly found itself helpless on problems in propulsion system and other related issues while a significant number of parts or systems are yet to be tested following a delay in manufacturing.

However, when quizzed on the issue, DRDO Director General Avinash Chander told the TOI that nothing was amiss. "Everything is going on as per the plan and development trials are on. We shall be able to deliver the MR-SAMs as per schedule. Right now, the contribution from India in the joint venture project is about 20% and would ultimately reach 80% in the final stages." Regarding the already delayed LR-SAM, DRDO officials declined to come on record.

MR-SAM, one of the major demands of the forces, is to have a range of 70 kms or so, and the IAF is banking on replacing its ageing Soviet-made Pechora SAM missiles with the MR-SAMs. But nobody is sure how long the wait is going to be, and whether the delivery will take place at all.



海得拉巴:印度国防研究与发展组织(以下称DRDO)和以色列航空航天工业(以下称IAI)的合作建造远程面空导弹(LR SAM)和中程面空导弹(MR-SAM)结果竟然是一个毫无机会的项目。

远程防空导弹应当在2012交付给印度海军,而中程导弹应在2017年装备印度空军。然而,这两货的交货时间远远落后于进度表,甚至在不久的将来也没有迹象满足进度要求。

DRDO 官员将联合项目的进展归咎于他们的以色列合作伙伴缺乏技术透明度及转让。最近印度国防组织进行的相关试验结果无法满足空军和海军的要求。整个成本达12,500亿卢比的合作项目由印度投资,却一拖再拖,缺乏项目的进展已经变成国防部最担心的事。

据消息人士透露,LR-SAMS远程地空导弹项目2006年启动,2012年应当交付给印度海军。同样,在2009年签署的MR-SAM中程面空项目应当在2017年交付给印度空军。两个项目都远远落后于进度,也没有取得进展的迹象。

“老实说,现在,由于双方之间的各种问题,联合项目中没有什么研发在进行。期待以色列与印度分享其技术是不公平的,但是,这样的事情应该在订立合作之前澄清“一位官员说。

DRDO坚持认为这是因为缺乏技术转让,才导致到目前为止进行的试射以失败告终。 “工业界只获得了如何生产某些系统之类的图纸,却因为没有被传授知识来开发系统,这导致既定的技术参数达不到,”消息人士说。

DRDO官员也将推迟归咎于涉及系统开发等各阶段的复杂而长期的过程,这过程涉及到印度和以色列之间来回穿梭。据报道海得拉巴的印度国防组织也发现自己无助的在独自面对推进系统的问题及其他相关问题,同时大量的零件或系统在生产延迟之后,还有待测试。

然而,当被问及这个问题时,DRDO主任阿维纳什·钱德尔告诉TOI(印度时报),没有什么不对劲。“一切正按照计划进行,开发试验也在继续。我们将能够按进度表提供MR-SAM中程对空导弹。眼下,在合资项目中,印度的贡献约20%,最终将在最后阶段达到80%“。对于已经推迟LR-SAM,DRDO官员则拒绝记者记录内容。

MR-SAM,军队的主要需求之一,就是有70公里左右的射程,IAF指望它MR-SAM能够替换老旧的苏制伯朝拉(北约SA-3)地空导弹。但谁也不知道等待的将是多久,甚至是否将会有交付。


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看来三哥的加尔各答还要再泡上一阵子,不过一切都在阿三掌握,不是吗?

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看来三哥的加尔各答还要再泡上一阵子,不过一切都在阿三掌握,不是吗?
意外的是以色列也会延期?按说以色列的实力不应该啊??可能是延期就会让印度不断的送银子的诱惑吧,跟俄罗斯学的
帽子,阿三两个奇葩
现在以色列也要参一脚?
印度还没醒悟……
眼下,在合资项目中,印度的贡献约20%,最终将在最后阶段达到80%“等到80%,不知要到什么时候
中程导弹应该还有机会吧,毕竟还有四年时间。
印度的贡献约20%,最终将在最后阶段达到80%
这句话理解不能啊,怎么个意思?
billydong 发表于 2013-11-18 22:08
印度的贡献约20%,最终将在最后阶段达到80%
这句话理解不能啊,怎么个意思?
我猜是20%指技术  80%指费用   不过我对三锅技术贡献能否达到20%表示怀疑
听雨客 发表于 2013-11-18 21:24
眼下,在合资项目中,印度的贡献约20%,最终将在最后阶段达到80%“等到80%,不知要到什么时候
大概下个世纪中叶就能实现了,你们不要看不起三哥
正大光明 发表于 2013-11-18 19:27
意外的是以色列也会延期?按说以色列的实力不应该啊??可能是延期就会让印度不断的送银子的诱惑吧,跟俄罗 ...
区域防空导弹真的很好研发么
我兔真是羡慕妒嫉恨啊,全世界最大水鱼,就我兔坑不了
正大光明 发表于 2013-11-18 19:27
意外的是以色列也会延期?按说以色列的实力不应该啊??可能是延期就会让印度不断的送银子的诱惑吧,跟俄罗 ...
应该是在印度试制的样品试射失败,失败的原因是生产质量问题,根本原因是以色列没有转让技术,只是给部分图纸让印度生产,结果。。。
billydong 发表于 2013-11-18 22:08
印度的贡献约20%,最终将在最后阶段达到80%
这句话理解不能啊,怎么个意思?
意思就是现阶段零部件国产化程度为20%,最终能够达到80%。可是就这20%印度都干不好,这篇文章是在抱怨以色列没有用心教印度(技术转让)。
看来大卫也被毛子带坏了。
天朝古训:师傅请进门,修行在个人!
就三锅这两把刷子还是老实的在家擦神油比较好
想不通为什么三锅不找毛子合作,估计毛子开个天价,犹太佬价格比较实惠----其实,犹太人在赚钱上,比毛子智商高多了:忽悠三锅搞了几个铁壳泡水里,大家一起耗,看谁最着急。
以色列的心思是三锅给钱研制,成功后,让三锅拿钱来买成品。
印度的贡献约20%,最终将在最后阶段达到80%
这句话理解不能啊,怎么个意思?
就是这个项目进度不到30%
毛子的司吉利不就是成品的中程蛋嘛

       阿三换买家,毛子肯定不高兴,....以后在对空、对海搜索的火控和雷达更有得开发...挖神庙吧
这样的话印度的最先进驱逐舰还要泡多少年啊,不会下水后就大修吧
三哥啊,虚心学习吧别总是眼高手低了。给你图纸还不行啊,还想让人家手把手教你?你以为以色列开得是蓝翔技校啊。
俺真的不知道说啥好了
三哥这是要当全世界的大白鼠吗?
luotizhu 发表于 2013-11-19 12:37
三哥这是要当全世界的大白鼠吗?
即使把家里所有的庙给挖了,---------即使再等上10年、20年,-------------即使把牙齿全打碎了往肚里吞,---------阿三会一直的坚持下去,因为阿三始终相信-----------比兔子------领先**年!