超级军网清朝不是中国，而是蒙古王朝
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Qing is not China,but a Mongolian Dynasty
清不是中国，它是一个蒙古王朝龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
楼主：Ruslan
i'm ethnically Manchurian,Manchurian Qing Empire is not a part of Chinese history,but Mongolian history.
the name of the first Khan of Qing Empire,Nurhaci,the name came from a Mongolian word,means“destroyer”. his title "Sure Beile" and "Kundulen Han" are both Mongolian.
"Aisingoiro" means "golden surname" in Mongolian language.
the ancestor of Nurhaci is a Mongolian Darughachi named "Möngke Temür",literally means "Eternal Iron" in the Mongolian language.
the name of Qing Empire came for the Mongolian word "Daichin",which means "warrior",in Chinese read as "Daiqing(代清)" or "Daqing(大清)", Qing Empire ,literally means "warrior empire".
we are not the descendant of Jurchens, Jurchens were slaughtered by the Mongols in 13th century,we are Mongols
Qing is not China,but a Mongolian Dynasty which ruled China.
我是满族人，满清帝国并不是中国历史的一部分，它属于蒙古历史。
清帝国第一位可汗的名字叫做“努尔哈赤”，这个名字来源于蒙古文字，意思是’毁灭者‘。他的称号’淑勒贝勒 ’和‘昆都仑汗’都是蒙古语。
爱新觉罗在蒙古语中的意思是‘金姓’
努尔哈赤的祖先是一个叫做‘孟特穆 ’的蒙古官员。‘孟特穆’在蒙古语中字面上的意思是‘永恒之铁’。
清帝国的名字来源于蒙古文字‘daichin'，意思是’战士‘，在中文里它被读成’daiqing‘或者’daqing‘。清帝国在字面上的意思是‘战士之国’。
我们不是女真人的后裔，女真人在十三世纪就已经被蒙古人杀光了，我们是蒙古人。
清不是中国，它是一个统治中国的蒙古王朝。
二楼：Ruslan
Manchu Empire, a Mongolian dynasty which ruled China.
满洲帝国，一个统治中国的蒙古王朝
（译者注：他下面放了一个十八世纪的清朝地图）
三楼：Ruslan
Yuan Empire, a Mongolian dynasty which ruled China.
元帝国，一个统治中国的蒙古帝国。
（译者注：无语，他下面又放了一个元朝地图）
四楼：Nick1986
Perhaps the Mongols slaughtered the majority of the Jurchen and absorbed the survivors, like the Saxons did with the Britons?
也许蒙古人杀光了大多数女真人并把剩下的那些吸收了，就像撒克逊人对英国人做的那样？
五楼：MrButlerKing
Funny, I wonder if you're really Manchurian? Manchus will never say it's a Mongolian dynasty and most Mongolians will never say it's their dynasty either, you remind of this Vietnamese guy I had argument with, only he claimed it was Mongolian and I have a feeling you could be him but yes as always you're right that the Manchus were not Chinese but they were Tungustic people.
Portrait of emperor Qilong
搞笑，我怀疑你是否真的是满族人？满族人永远不会说这是蒙古王朝，蒙古人也永远不会说这是他们的王朝。你让我想起一个和我有过争论的越南小子，只有他宣称清是蒙古的，我怀疑你就是他。不过某些方面你是对的，满族不是中国人，他们是通古斯人。
六楼：heyamigos
Some of the original banner tribes that formed the Manchus were pure or mixed Mongols such as the "Yeha Nara" (the tribe that the Empress Cixi was born from). Aisinjioro is Jurchen. The name "golden" is just a continuation of their ancestors (Jin, Jurchen Tunguz tribe). Some Evenk Tunguz tribes today in Siberia still carry this gold (Nanai) as a tribal name. In actuality, Manchus core first was mostly Jurchen Jin and then later absorbed Mongols and some Chinese/Koreans after they conquered Liaoning. Culturally before they crossed the Great Wall, they were highly Sinicized and adopted similar court customs as the Ming Chinese and Koryo Koreans.
一些原始部落的旗帜揭示了满族是纯种或者混血的蒙古人，比如叶赫那拉氏（慈溪太后出生的部落）。
爱新觉罗是女真人，金姓是从他们祖先那里继承过来的，一些在西伯利亚的鄂温克人直至今天依然用‘金’来做部落名字。事实上，满族人的核心最早是由女真人组成，然后当他们占了辽东以后，吸收了蒙古人和一些汉人、朝鲜人。从文化的角度上来看，在他们越过长城之前，他们已经高度汉化，并且吸收了类似于明朝和朝鲜王朝的法律、海关制度。
七楼：Ruslan
Chinese claim "Qing is a Chinese dynasty" just because they wanna claim "Manchuria, Tibet, Xinjiang were part of China" for political purpose. However in history,Qing was not a Chinese dynasty,but a Manchu-Mongol regime which ruled over China,Tibet and eastern Turkestan
中国人宣称清是一个中国王朝，这仅仅是因为他们想要宣称满洲。XZ、新疆是是中国的一部分，这是出于政治目的，然而在历史上，清不是中国王朝，而是一个以满洲—-蒙古同盟体质统治中国，XZ，新疆的王朝。
八楼：TheAlaniDragonRisi
A very interesting subject you have brought us to discuss, Ruslan, and one viewable in a number of ways. Yes it is well known how China tries to convince the world certain things are Chinese, when sometimes they are either not, or are able to be brought into the Chinese arena. Genghis Khan being a point in fact. In the case of the Qing dynasty, you have the lands of inner Manchuria being in China, and a kind of assimilation of a great deal of its population, which has happened a number of times, with Mongol and Han peoples. Was the Qing dynasty founded by the Chinese? No. But do the Chinese have a claim by saying a large part of the territory is Chinese now, and a substantial number of the people have Chinese ancestors? I guess it depends how you look at things. 是由中国人建立的吗？
楼主，你给我们带来了一个非常有趣的讨论话题，一个观点用不同的角度去理解。是的，众所周知，中国一直试图让全世界相信某些东西是中国的，但是某些东西它确实不是中国人的。成吉思汗就是这样一个例子。由于清朝，中国拥有了内满洲的土地，并同化了大量人口。这样的事情在汉人和蒙古人之间发生过很多次。清朝是由中国人建立的吗？不是。然而中国人声称现在大部分领土都是中国的，大部分人都拥有中国祖先，所以，这属于他们。我想这取决于你看问题的角度。
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-225906-1-1.htmlQing is not China,but a Mongolian Dynasty
清不是中国，它是一个蒙古王朝龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
楼主：Ruslan
i'm ethnically Manchurian,Manchurian Qing Empire is not a part of Chinese history,but Mongolian history.
the name of the first Khan of Qing Empire,Nurhaci,the name came from a Mongolian word,means“destroyer”. his title "Sure Beile" and "Kundulen Han" are both Mongolian.
"Aisingoiro" means "golden surname" in Mongolian language.
the ancestor of Nurhaci is a Mongolian Darughachi named "Möngke Temür",literally means "Eternal Iron" in the Mongolian language.
the name of Qing Empire came for the Mongolian word "Daichin",which means "warrior",in Chinese read as "Daiqing(代清)" or "Daqing(大清)", Qing Empire ,literally means "warrior empire".
we are not the descendant of Jurchens, Jurchens were slaughtered by the Mongols in 13th century,we are Mongols
Qing is not China,but a Mongolian Dynasty which ruled China.
我是满族人，满清帝国并不是中国历史的一部分，它属于蒙古历史。
清帝国第一位可汗的名字叫做“努尔哈赤”，这个名字来源于蒙古文字，意思是’毁灭者‘。他的称号’淑勒贝勒 ’和‘昆都仑汗’都是蒙古语。
爱新觉罗在蒙古语中的意思是‘金姓’
努尔哈赤的祖先是一个叫做‘孟特穆 ’的蒙古官员。‘孟特穆’在蒙古语中字面上的意思是‘永恒之铁’。
清帝国的名字来源于蒙古文字‘daichin'，意思是’战士‘，在中文里它被读成’daiqing‘或者’daqing‘。清帝国在字面上的意思是‘战士之国’。
我们不是女真人的后裔，女真人在十三世纪就已经被蒙古人杀光了，我们是蒙古人。
清不是中国，它是一个统治中国的蒙古王朝。
二楼：Ruslan
Manchu Empire, a Mongolian dynasty which ruled China.
满洲帝国，一个统治中国的蒙古王朝
（译者注：他下面放了一个十八世纪的清朝地图）
三楼：Ruslan
Yuan Empire, a Mongolian dynasty which ruled China.
元帝国，一个统治中国的蒙古帝国。
（译者注：无语，他下面又放了一个元朝地图）
四楼：Nick1986
Perhaps the Mongols slaughtered the majority of the Jurchen and absorbed the survivors, like the Saxons did with the Britons?
也许蒙古人杀光了大多数女真人并把剩下的那些吸收了，就像撒克逊人对英国人做的那样？
五楼：MrButlerKing
Funny, I wonder if you're really Manchurian? Manchus will never say it's a Mongolian dynasty and most Mongolians will never say it's their dynasty either, you remind of this Vietnamese guy I had argument with, only he claimed it was Mongolian and I have a feeling you could be him but yes as always you're right that the Manchus were not Chinese but they were Tungustic people.
Portrait of emperor Qilong
搞笑，我怀疑你是否真的是满族人？满族人永远不会说这是蒙古王朝，蒙古人也永远不会说这是他们的王朝。你让我想起一个和我有过争论的越南小子，只有他宣称清是蒙古的，我怀疑你就是他。不过某些方面你是对的，满族不是中国人，他们是通古斯人。
六楼：heyamigos
Some of the original banner tribes that formed the Manchus were pure or mixed Mongols such as the "Yeha Nara" (the tribe that the Empress Cixi was born from). Aisinjioro is Jurchen. The name "golden" is just a continuation of their ancestors (Jin, Jurchen Tunguz tribe). Some Evenk Tunguz tribes today in Siberia still carry this gold (Nanai) as a tribal name. In actuality, Manchus core first was mostly Jurchen Jin and then later absorbed Mongols and some Chinese/Koreans after they conquered Liaoning. Culturally before they crossed the Great Wall, they were highly Sinicized and adopted similar court customs as the Ming Chinese and Koryo Koreans.
一些原始部落的旗帜揭示了满族是纯种或者混血的蒙古人，比如叶赫那拉氏（慈溪太后出生的部落）。
爱新觉罗是女真人，金姓是从他们祖先那里继承过来的，一些在西伯利亚的鄂温克人直至今天依然用‘金’来做部落名字。事实上，满族人的核心最早是由女真人组成，然后当他们占了辽东以后，吸收了蒙古人和一些汉人、朝鲜人。从文化的角度上来看，在他们越过长城之前，他们已经高度汉化，并且吸收了类似于明朝和朝鲜王朝的法律、海关制度。
七楼：Ruslan
Chinese claim "Qing is a Chinese dynasty" just because they wanna claim "Manchuria, Tibet, Xinjiang were part of China" for political purpose. However in history,Qing was not a Chinese dynasty,but a Manchu-Mongol regime which ruled over China,Tibet and eastern Turkestan
中国人宣称清是一个中国王朝，这仅仅是因为他们想要宣称满洲。XZ、新疆是是中国的一部分，这是出于政治目的，然而在历史上，清不是中国王朝，而是一个以满洲—-蒙古同盟体质统治中国，XZ，新疆的王朝。
八楼：TheAlaniDragonRisi
A very interesting subject you have brought us to discuss, Ruslan, and one viewable in a number of ways. Yes it is well known how China tries to convince the world certain things are Chinese, when sometimes they are either not, or are able to be brought into the Chinese arena. Genghis Khan being a point in fact. In the case of the Qing dynasty, you have the lands of inner Manchuria being in China, and a kind of assimilation of a great deal of its population, which has happened a number of times, with Mongol and Han peoples. Was the Qing dynasty founded by the Chinese? No. But do the Chinese have a claim by saying a large part of the territory is Chinese now, and a substantial number of the people have Chinese ancestors? I guess it depends how you look at things. 是由中国人建立的吗？
楼主，你给我们带来了一个非常有趣的讨论话题，一个观点用不同的角度去理解。是的，众所周知，中国一直试图让全世界相信某些东西是中国的，但是某些东西它确实不是中国人的。成吉思汗就是这样一个例子。由于清朝，中国拥有了内满洲的土地，并同化了大量人口。这样的事情在汉人和蒙古人之间发生过很多次。清朝是由中国人建立的吗？不是。然而中国人声称现在大部分领土都是中国的，大部分人都拥有中国祖先，所以，这属于他们。我想这取决于你看问题的角度。
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-225906-1-1.html
清不是中国，它是一个蒙古王朝龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
楼主：Ruslan
i'm ethnically Manchurian,Manchurian Qing Empire is not a part of Chinese history,but Mongolian history.
the name of the first Khan of Qing Empire,Nurhaci,the name came from a Mongolian word,means“destroyer”. his title "Sure Beile" and "Kundulen Han" are both Mongolian.
"Aisingoiro" means "golden surname" in Mongolian language.
the ancestor of Nurhaci is a Mongolian Darughachi named "Möngke Temür",literally means "Eternal Iron" in the Mongolian language.
the name of Qing Empire came for the Mongolian word "Daichin",which means "warrior",in Chinese read as "Daiqing(代清)" or "Daqing(大清)", Qing Empire ,literally means "warrior empire".
we are not the descendant of Jurchens, Jurchens were slaughtered by the Mongols in 13th century,we are Mongols
Qing is not China,but a Mongolian Dynasty which ruled China.
我是满族人，满清帝国并不是中国历史的一部分，它属于蒙古历史。
清帝国第一位可汗的名字叫做“努尔哈赤”，这个名字来源于蒙古文字，意思是’毁灭者‘。他的称号’淑勒贝勒 ’和‘昆都仑汗’都是蒙古语。
爱新觉罗在蒙古语中的意思是‘金姓’
努尔哈赤的祖先是一个叫做‘孟特穆 ’的蒙古官员。‘孟特穆’在蒙古语中字面上的意思是‘永恒之铁’。
清帝国的名字来源于蒙古文字‘daichin'，意思是’战士‘，在中文里它被读成’daiqing‘或者’daqing‘。清帝国在字面上的意思是‘战士之国’。
我们不是女真人的后裔，女真人在十三世纪就已经被蒙古人杀光了，我们是蒙古人。
清不是中国，它是一个统治中国的蒙古王朝。
二楼：Ruslan
Manchu Empire, a Mongolian dynasty which ruled China.
满洲帝国，一个统治中国的蒙古王朝
（译者注：他下面放了一个十八世纪的清朝地图）
三楼：Ruslan
Yuan Empire, a Mongolian dynasty which ruled China.
元帝国，一个统治中国的蒙古帝国。
（译者注：无语，他下面又放了一个元朝地图）
四楼：Nick1986
Perhaps the Mongols slaughtered the majority of the Jurchen and absorbed the survivors, like the Saxons did with the Britons?
也许蒙古人杀光了大多数女真人并把剩下的那些吸收了，就像撒克逊人对英国人做的那样？
五楼：MrButlerKing
Funny, I wonder if you're really Manchurian? Manchus will never say it's a Mongolian dynasty and most Mongolians will never say it's their dynasty either, you remind of this Vietnamese guy I had argument with, only he claimed it was Mongolian and I have a feeling you could be him but yes as always you're right that the Manchus were not Chinese but they were Tungustic people.
Portrait of emperor Qilong
搞笑，我怀疑你是否真的是满族人？满族人永远不会说这是蒙古王朝，蒙古人也永远不会说这是他们的王朝。你让我想起一个和我有过争论的越南小子，只有他宣称清是蒙古的，我怀疑你就是他。不过某些方面你是对的，满族不是中国人，他们是通古斯人。
六楼：heyamigos
Some of the original banner tribes that formed the Manchus were pure or mixed Mongols such as the "Yeha Nara" (the tribe that the Empress Cixi was born from). Aisinjioro is Jurchen. The name "golden" is just a continuation of their ancestors (Jin, Jurchen Tunguz tribe). Some Evenk Tunguz tribes today in Siberia still carry this gold (Nanai) as a tribal name. In actuality, Manchus core first was mostly Jurchen Jin and then later absorbed Mongols and some Chinese/Koreans after they conquered Liaoning. Culturally before they crossed the Great Wall, they were highly Sinicized and adopted similar court customs as the Ming Chinese and Koryo Koreans.
一些原始部落的旗帜揭示了满族是纯种或者混血的蒙古人，比如叶赫那拉氏（慈溪太后出生的部落）。
爱新觉罗是女真人，金姓是从他们祖先那里继承过来的，一些在西伯利亚的鄂温克人直至今天依然用‘金’来做部落名字。事实上，满族人的核心最早是由女真人组成，然后当他们占了辽东以后，吸收了蒙古人和一些汉人、朝鲜人。从文化的角度上来看，在他们越过长城之前，他们已经高度汉化，并且吸收了类似于明朝和朝鲜王朝的法律、海关制度。
七楼：Ruslan
Chinese claim "Qing is a Chinese dynasty" just because they wanna claim "Manchuria, Tibet, Xinjiang were part of China" for political purpose. However in history,Qing was not a Chinese dynasty,but a Manchu-Mongol regime which ruled over China,Tibet and eastern Turkestan
中国人宣称清是一个中国王朝，这仅仅是因为他们想要宣称满洲。XZ、新疆是是中国的一部分，这是出于政治目的，然而在历史上，清不是中国王朝，而是一个以满洲—-蒙古同盟体质统治中国，XZ，新疆的王朝。
八楼：TheAlaniDragonRisi
A very interesting subject you have brought us to discuss, Ruslan, and one viewable in a number of ways. Yes it is well known how China tries to convince the world certain things are Chinese, when sometimes they are either not, or are able to be brought into the Chinese arena. Genghis Khan being a point in fact. In the case of the Qing dynasty, you have the lands of inner Manchuria being in China, and a kind of assimilation of a great deal of its population, which has happened a number of times, with Mongol and Han peoples. Was the Qing dynasty founded by the Chinese? No. But do the Chinese have a claim by saying a large part of the territory is Chinese now, and a substantial number of the people have Chinese ancestors? I guess it depends how you look at things. 是由中国人建立的吗？
楼主，你给我们带来了一个非常有趣的讨论话题，一个观点用不同的角度去理解。是的，众所周知，中国一直试图让全世界相信某些东西是中国的，但是某些东西它确实不是中国人的。成吉思汗就是这样一个例子。由于清朝，中国拥有了内满洲的土地，并同化了大量人口。这样的事情在汉人和蒙古人之间发生过很多次。清朝是由中国人建立的吗？不是。然而中国人声称现在大部分领土都是中国的，大部分人都拥有中国祖先，所以，这属于他们。我想这取决于你看问题的角度。
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-225906-1-1.htmlQing is not China,but a Mongolian Dynasty
清不是中国，它是一个蒙古王朝龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
楼主：Ruslan
i'm ethnically Manchurian,Manchurian Qing Empire is not a part of Chinese history,but Mongolian history.
the name of the first Khan of Qing Empire,Nurhaci,the name came from a Mongolian word,means“destroyer”. his title "Sure Beile" and "Kundulen Han" are both Mongolian.
"Aisingoiro" means "golden surname" in Mongolian language.
the ancestor of Nurhaci is a Mongolian Darughachi named "Möngke Temür",literally means "Eternal Iron" in the Mongolian language.
the name of Qing Empire came for the Mongolian word "Daichin",which means "warrior",in Chinese read as "Daiqing(代清)" or "Daqing(大清)", Qing Empire ,literally means "warrior empire".
we are not the descendant of Jurchens, Jurchens were slaughtered by the Mongols in 13th century,we are Mongols
Qing is not China,but a Mongolian Dynasty which ruled China.
我是满族人，满清帝国并不是中国历史的一部分，它属于蒙古历史。
清帝国第一位可汗的名字叫做“努尔哈赤”，这个名字来源于蒙古文字，意思是’毁灭者‘。他的称号’淑勒贝勒 ’和‘昆都仑汗’都是蒙古语。
爱新觉罗在蒙古语中的意思是‘金姓’
努尔哈赤的祖先是一个叫做‘孟特穆 ’的蒙古官员。‘孟特穆’在蒙古语中字面上的意思是‘永恒之铁’。
清帝国的名字来源于蒙古文字‘daichin'，意思是’战士‘，在中文里它被读成’daiqing‘或者’daqing‘。清帝国在字面上的意思是‘战士之国’。
我们不是女真人的后裔，女真人在十三世纪就已经被蒙古人杀光了，我们是蒙古人。
清不是中国，它是一个统治中国的蒙古王朝。
二楼：Ruslan
Manchu Empire, a Mongolian dynasty which ruled China.
满洲帝国，一个统治中国的蒙古王朝
（译者注：他下面放了一个十八世纪的清朝地图）
三楼：Ruslan
Yuan Empire, a Mongolian dynasty which ruled China.
元帝国，一个统治中国的蒙古帝国。
（译者注：无语，他下面又放了一个元朝地图）
四楼：Nick1986
Perhaps the Mongols slaughtered the majority of the Jurchen and absorbed the survivors, like the Saxons did with the Britons?
也许蒙古人杀光了大多数女真人并把剩下的那些吸收了，就像撒克逊人对英国人做的那样？
五楼：MrButlerKing
Funny, I wonder if you're really Manchurian? Manchus will never say it's a Mongolian dynasty and most Mongolians will never say it's their dynasty either, you remind of this Vietnamese guy I had argument with, only he claimed it was Mongolian and I have a feeling you could be him but yes as always you're right that the Manchus were not Chinese but they were Tungustic people.
Portrait of emperor Qilong
搞笑，我怀疑你是否真的是满族人？满族人永远不会说这是蒙古王朝，蒙古人也永远不会说这是他们的王朝。你让我想起一个和我有过争论的越南小子，只有他宣称清是蒙古的，我怀疑你就是他。不过某些方面你是对的，满族不是中国人，他们是通古斯人。
六楼：heyamigos
Some of the original banner tribes that formed the Manchus were pure or mixed Mongols such as the "Yeha Nara" (the tribe that the Empress Cixi was born from). Aisinjioro is Jurchen. The name "golden" is just a continuation of their ancestors (Jin, Jurchen Tunguz tribe). Some Evenk Tunguz tribes today in Siberia still carry this gold (Nanai) as a tribal name. In actuality, Manchus core first was mostly Jurchen Jin and then later absorbed Mongols and some Chinese/Koreans after they conquered Liaoning. Culturally before they crossed the Great Wall, they were highly Sinicized and adopted similar court customs as the Ming Chinese and Koryo Koreans.
一些原始部落的旗帜揭示了满族是纯种或者混血的蒙古人，比如叶赫那拉氏（慈溪太后出生的部落）。
爱新觉罗是女真人，金姓是从他们祖先那里继承过来的，一些在西伯利亚的鄂温克人直至今天依然用‘金’来做部落名字。事实上，满族人的核心最早是由女真人组成，然后当他们占了辽东以后，吸收了蒙古人和一些汉人、朝鲜人。从文化的角度上来看，在他们越过长城之前，他们已经高度汉化，并且吸收了类似于明朝和朝鲜王朝的法律、海关制度。
七楼：Ruslan
Chinese claim "Qing is a Chinese dynasty" just because they wanna claim "Manchuria, Tibet, Xinjiang were part of China" for political purpose. However in history,Qing was not a Chinese dynasty,but a Manchu-Mongol regime which ruled over China,Tibet and eastern Turkestan
中国人宣称清是一个中国王朝，这仅仅是因为他们想要宣称满洲。XZ、新疆是是中国的一部分，这是出于政治目的，然而在历史上，清不是中国王朝，而是一个以满洲—-蒙古同盟体质统治中国，XZ，新疆的王朝。
八楼：TheAlaniDragonRisi
A very interesting subject you have brought us to discuss, Ruslan, and one viewable in a number of ways. Yes it is well known how China tries to convince the world certain things are Chinese, when sometimes they are either not, or are able to be brought into the Chinese arena. Genghis Khan being a point in fact. In the case of the Qing dynasty, you have the lands of inner Manchuria being in China, and a kind of assimilation of a great deal of its population, which has happened a number of times, with Mongol and Han peoples. Was the Qing dynasty founded by the Chinese? No. But do the Chinese have a claim by saying a large part of the territory is Chinese now, and a substantial number of the people have Chinese ancestors? I guess it depends how you look at things. 是由中国人建立的吗？
楼主，你给我们带来了一个非常有趣的讨论话题，一个观点用不同的角度去理解。是的，众所周知，中国一直试图让全世界相信某些东西是中国的，但是某些东西它确实不是中国人的。成吉思汗就是这样一个例子。由于清朝，中国拥有了内满洲的土地，并同化了大量人口。这样的事情在汉人和蒙古人之间发生过很多次。清朝是由中国人建立的吗？不是。然而中国人声称现在大部分领土都是中国的，大部分人都拥有中国祖先，所以，这属于他们。我想这取决于你看问题的角度。
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-225906-1-1.html
啥人都开讲历史了，全民开讲啊。
努尔哈赤的意思是野猪皮吧...
反正都不关满蒙以外其它人的事
也不瞧瞧自己是个什么东西
也不瞧瞧自己是个什么东西
在叫也没用！我堂堂大汉天朝会理几只狗吗？
诺曼底公爵不是英国人、矮子不是法国人、元首不是德国人、亚历山大不是希腊人、斯大林不是俄国人……
觉罗氏起源于赵宋…→_→
恐龙之后无地球，山顶洞后无中国，牧野之后无华夏，