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原文标题:IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost 龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
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我是战斗机机械师,维护过F22,F16,F117,尽管提问吧
IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost anythin
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作者:翻译加工厂 发布日期:2013-05-02 浏览:94
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USAF地勤谈论维护的帖子。
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每人一小段，翻译我也行！
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IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost anything. (self.IAmA)
我是个战斗机机械师，维护过F22，F16，F117。尽管提问吧。
submitted 2 天 ago* by Nicelysedated[S]
Nicelysedated提交于2天前
I am a 15 year veteran that has been around the world working these planes. I will answer anything I can that doesn't touch on anything sensitive.
我是一个15年的老兵，一直在世界各地与这些飞机工作。我会回答任何我能回答的事情，但是注意不要问敏感问题。
EDIT Dont know if this is enough proof. Some things I've gathered in my travels. Verification
不知道这能不能足够证明，有些事是我旅途中收集到的。
WOW! Didn't expect this level of response.
哇！没想到这么多回复。
Just to clarify, I HAVE NOT TOUCHED a F-35. I have seen one. Anything I say about the the F-35 is my opinion based off experience from aircraft I've worked.
澄清一下，我从来没有接触过F35，我曾经看见过一架。我说的任何关于F35的话都是基于我战机维护工作的个人观点。
（下面是F22，F16，A10的维基百科。）
Wiki for the F-22: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor
Wiki for the F-16: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen ... -16_Fighting_Falcon
Wiki for the A-10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fai ... A-10_Thunderbolt_II
More then a few people have asked me how to get into aviation maintenance. Obviously, the military is one way. The civilian side requires schools and a license from the FAA called an Airframe and Powerplant license. I have not worked civilian aviation and never plan too. The job market is volatile and a good diesel mechanic makes more in a lot of places.
有些人问我如何进入航空维护部门。显然，军队是一条路子。民用方面需要学校和来自美国联邦航空局的证书——机身和动力维护许可证。我没在民用航空工作过，也从不打算这么做。就业市场不是很稳定，一个好的柴油机械师能在很多地方赚得更多。
EDIT I was a little harsh on pilots. They are people just like anyone else that make mistakes. I have met a few in my time that are awesome people. I had a commander that spent 6 months as an Iraqi POW and was one of the most caring and awesome people I've ever met. He would takeoff late to sit and explain what he was doing on a mission because he felt it was important to know what our work accomplished.
我对飞行员有一点苛刻。他们也是人，也会犯错误。我也遇到过非常棒的几个人。我有个上司曾经在伊拉克被俘监禁6个月，他是我见过的最有爱心和最棒的人。他会在任务过程中要求延迟起飞，并说明他要做什么，因为他觉得弄清工作完成情况是非常重要的。
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Ryukuruyu
Did you find satisfaction in your job?
你觉得你对这份工作满意吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
Most of the time. I don't agree with everything that I have to do, but I'm not a policy maker.
大多数时候是的。有些工作中的事情我并不认同，但是我不是老大。
buddy_b_easy
Can you give an example of something that you disagree about?
你能给个例子么？关于那些你不认同的事情。
Nicelysedated[S]
Where our country focuses it efforts at time. Spent a lot of time in sandy places with lots of oil around helping people that hate us.
我们国家有时为了保持影响力花了大量的时间去帮助石油丰富的沙漠地区人民，而这些人仇视我们。
Reformed_Asshole
Bahrain much?
巴林怎么样？
Nicelysedated[S]
You do not know what it is to sweat until you've been to Bahrain..
你根本不知道什么是流汗除非你身在巴林。
Reformed_Asshole
Is it worse than Singapore or Korea in Summer?
比新加坡和韩国的夏天更糟？
Nicelysedated[S]
Haven't been to those in the summer, but I can't imagine they could be worse
没有在夏天去过新加坡和韩国，不过我觉得他们不会更糟。
Ayakalam
What so you think the policy should be instead?
那你觉得什么政策应该被修改？
DJCityQuamstyle
Four foot fall protection
四脚朝天跌落防护政策。
VioletViper
Might we have some proof?
Also, what would you say is the easiest to work on?
也许你有一些证据？
此外，你觉得工作中什么最简单？
Nicelysedated[S]
Working of verification with mods. F-16 would be the easiest to me, but I'm biased. It was the first jet I worked and the one I worked the longest.
模块的验证工作。F16是最简单的，不过可能是我的个人看法。它是我工作后接触的第一架机型，也是我为之工作时间最长的机型。
coffeegeek
Where were you stationed with F-16s? I spent a few years in Misawa...
你曾在哪儿驻扎过？我在日本三泽呆了一阵子。
Renegade8100
Do you get to test fly these jets after repairs?
你参与过战机修复后的飞行测试吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
No. Very few repairs require test flights. All tests are done with ground equipment before they fly. I am an enlisted mechanic, all flying is done by commissioned officers.
没。很少有维修的飞机需要测试飞行。所有测试都会在起飞前由地面设备完成。我是个机械师，飞行都是由飞行员完成。
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sarfreer
Are you sick of people asking when you'll get to fly them, or if you want to be a pilot?
当别人问你“你什么时候开飞机”，或“你想当飞行员吗”这样的问题时，你会很烦吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
The first thing people ask when I tell them I fix fighter jets....
"Cool, how often do you get to fly them"
I don't get upset anymore.
当我告诉别人我搞飞机维护的时候，他们通常会先问：
不错啊！你飞了多久了？
你说我还上什么火！
fsdsagihi
as an engineer of construction equipment, it's similar... if you fix something, you will most likely just write testing requirements for the machine. Not actually use it.
工程师路过，我搞建筑设备的，咱俩差不多...如果你修什么，你最多只是给它做个测试，不会真正去操作它。
fruitinspace
Do you at least get to go on an incentive ride occasionally?
至少你偶尔能来一把刺激的，坐一回驾驶座？
gaussweiss
But did you ever? In a trainer jet in the trainee seat, or something like that?
你没有这类经历？哪怕坐一回喷气教练机的见习座位或者其他类似的。
Nicelysedated[S]
Nope.
真心没有！
flowofthought
What's the best way to take one of these fighter jets down? Do they have any one major weakness in common? Like the Death Star or something?
揍下来一架飞机的最佳手段是什么？它们的要害相同吗？比如星球大战里的死星，或其他的
Nicelysedated[S]
Watch Iron Eagle.....All you ever needed to know about fighter jets.
去看《铁鹰战士》，那里面有你想了解的各种战机。
flowofthought
Awesome I will. What kind of training did you do before working on each model?
太棒了，我会的。你工作之前都需要进行什么样的培训？每种机型？
Nicelysedated[S]
2 months of Aircraft Fundamentals and 6 months of specific training for F-16's in tech school. Everything else was on the job and various schools throughout my time. Every new air frame was hands on training.
两个月的飞机基本原理学习，以及长达6个月的关于F-16的专项训练。其他方面的知识都是我靠自己的实际工作经验以及在各种各样的学校里面学来的。每种新的机身都得靠在实际的工作中掌握。
flowofthought
Interesting stuff thanks!
有趣的东西，多谢！
Mantan1701
I fucking love you now! Iron Eagle 1 fucking rules! Made me fall in love with the F-16. Fuck that Top Gun shit! DOUG MASTERS AND CHAPPY SINCLAIR RULE!
我爱死你了！《铁鹰战士1》让我疯狂地迷上了F-16！还有天杀的《壮志凌云》！道格·马斯特斯和查普·辛克莱！
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Nicelysedated[S]
Lol thanks. That movie makes me cringe now after working on F-16's. SO many liberties taken with what they can do.
（笑脸），谢谢，那部电影（楼上提到的铁鹰战士）让我有点发怵，他们在干活时竟然那么逍遥自在
SkinThatSmokeWagon
Do F-16's now have inputs for ipods, or do you still have to strap a Walkman to your leg to get in the zone?
那么F16现在有Ipod接入口了吗？还是你需要带个随身听来让自己进入状态？
Nicelysedated[S
You can actually make an input for an iPod, but hooking an iPod up to a 35 Million dollar jet carrying classified information is frowned on. I will say that they DO NOT fire missiles on the ground intentionally, and a side scrolling LED indicator telling you a missile is coming would get you killed.
实际上你可以带一个ipod，但是不会有人建议在造价35000000美元且信息保密的喷气式飞机挂ipod，我敢说他们不会在地面故意发射导弹，但是一个偏转的LED指针会告诉你有一个导弹正在向你飞来并杀了你。（译者：可能接入ipod会使飞机错误报警
[deleted]
Actually, the pilots do indeed have ipod 'Y Cord' for long trans-oceanic flights. It's not official, but they do it.
For obvious reasons they don't use these cables over land, or on combat sorties.
实际上，在远程跨洋航班上飞行员确实有ipod的Y线，这不是官方的，但确实有。
很明显，在陆地上空或格斗架次他们不会使用这些电线
insanegenius
Mach 6? OK! I prefer les chevaliers du ciel.
马赫数6？OK! 我喜欢空中决战。(马赫数6就是6倍音速)
N0V0w3ls
Nice try, Kim Jong-Un.
Edit: to be completely serious, even if he knew this, there'd be no way he could answer without risking jail time.
不错的尝试， 金正恩
编辑：是认真的，即使他知道这一点，他不冒着坐牢的危险就没办法回答
NewQuisito
Nice try, North Korea!
不错的尝试，北朝鲜！
hudsterboy
Can you rap?
你能用rap唱出来？（译注：楼上的回复有点押韵，像rap歌词的风格）
Nicelysedated[S]
In the shower after a night of drinking maybe?
喝了一晚上的酒后，洗澡的时候估计可以（用rap唱出来）
samtheman578
I see you're a little biased towards the F-16, but from an engineer/mechanic's stance, which plane is your favorite and why? I personally love the A-10.
我看你有点偏向于F-16，但从工程师/技师的立场，哪种飞机是你最喜欢的，为什么？我个人喜欢A-10。
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Nicelysedated[S]
That's a tough one. I would still go F-16. Ease of maintenance and it's wide arrange of abilities at a relatively low cost put it out front. The F-22 is a more lethal aircraft but it has a lot of things that make me stop and ask "WTF were they thinking". The A-10 is a close second because of its survivability and firepower.
这是一个艰难的抉择。我还是会去F-16。在一个相对较低的成本来说，它更易于维护并且具备多用途功能。F-22是更致命的飞机，但是它有很多事让我停下来想问“他们究竟在想些什么。”A-10紧随其后，因为它的存活能力和火力。
samtheman578
Could you elaborate a bit on the F-22 part? I really don't know as much about planes as I feel I should, but I've had a strange attraction to that plane as well.
你能详尽地描述一下F-22的部件吗？我真的不了解很多我觉得我应该了解的有关飞机的事。
Nicelysedated[S]
The F-22 was designed to perform first and foremost and to be easily maintained second. There are more then a few parts that are buried in the plane that the engineers figured would never need to be changed. They were very wrong.
F-22的设计主要是执行力，其次是易于维护。他们有很多工程师认为永远不需要改变的部件被飞机掩盖了。他们是错误的
mrsapphire
Are you referring to the difficulty involved in servicing and handling the hazmats which run some of the systems? I had a teacher who flew F-22s who mentioned that they had some very nasty shit in them but would never elaborate and it's next to impossible to find out what that kind of obscure and toxic materials are buried inside of them. All of the crashes resulted in hazmat cleanup and recovery as a #1 priority, i'm sure it's common procedure with all of the planes you work on, but it seems to be more pronounced with the F-22s.
你是指那些用操作系统参与维修和和处理危险物料的艰难吗？我曾有一个操作过F-22的老师提过有一些没有任何详细说明的危险物品就在其中。但是永远都不可能搞清楚存在哪些模糊的，有毒的物质在里面。所有的事故都导致了危险品的清理并且把恢复作为第一要务。我相信这是所有你工作过的飞机都有的程序，但是这个在F-22上更明显。
For those not familiar with the topic there's a great article about them here (and it even explicitly mentions the folks that service them) http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/stealth-pilots-coughing/
对那些不熟悉这个主题的人，这里有关于他们的非常详细的内容，（甚至明确的提到了他们服务的对象）http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/stealth-pilots-coughing/
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Nicelysedated[S]
Every plane is chock full of hazardous chemicals. The F-22 is no worse then any other. The worst is probably the F-16. It has a chemical called hydrazine on it. Real nasty stuff. I was exposed to it a few times (by pilots playing with buttons they shouldn't have) and had to be blood tested every month for a year after exposure.
任何飞机上都存在危险化学物质，相比而言，F-22还不算很糟。最差劲的估计是F-16，那上面竟然有肼这种化学品，这东西实在够呛，我接触过几次（飞行员按错了按钮），结果一年之内，我每个月都要去做血液测试。
Teets
Hydrazine is rocket fuel and carcinogenic. What is this in a fighter for? Ejection seat? Please tell me it is the turbo boosters!
肼是致癌的火箭燃料。把它放在战斗机里作甚？弹射椅？你不会想说用来涡轮增压吧？
Nicelysedated[S]
It powers an emergency generator.
这货是用来提供紧急电力的
Bicycle_fart
Ahh that's why they say never touch the red button, damn'd Hydrazine.
哦，怪不得说不要按红色键，天杀的肼
dog_in_the_vent
You were doing maintenance on the plane while the pilot was in the seat?
飞行员还没离机，你就去做检修？
Rabnudj
Recovering C-5 electrician now working on C-17s here. Working on the aircraft when pilots are in the seats is a pretty common thing actually. Sometimes, its a question, sometimes its a cycle of a circuit breaker and sometimes its telling them the plane is hard broke and they have to tail swap.
原C-5的电力检修工，现在给C-17干活的路过。飞行员在机上的时候搞检修这事很正常。有时只是小问题，有时电路环坏了，有时你得告诉他们飞机问题比较严重，让他们大修.
dog_in_the_vent
Yeah, we commonly have maintenance come on the plane to troubleshoot a problem. But we usually shut down and don't touch anything if they're actually working on it.
没错，我们在机上的时候，经常有检修过来查看，但当他们开始干活的时候，我们通常会关机，不去做任何操作。
Rabnudj
What aircraft do you fly? On cargo jets, depending on the problem, usually the engines are left running. I can tell you, personally, one of the worst feelings is telling the Aircraft Commander that the jet is hard broke and they have to tail swap. It really sucks if its a "must go" mission too.
你到底开过什么飞机？在运输机上，遇到这类事件，通常我们会关了发动机。我明确告诉你，就我个人而言，没有比告诉机长飞机坏了，需要 tail swap 还要糟糕的事情了。这确实很操蛋，如果必须这样做的话。
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ozspook
Somebody has to stand on the brakes while you check the lights are working. :)
Quite a few planes contain Hydrazine, LOX, BCF, Benzene and Hydraulic Fluid
Nasty stuff.., but at least it's not C-Stoff & T-stoff.
一些人必须一边踩煞车一边检查灯是不是在正常工作。（笑）
只有一小部分的飞机包含肼、液态氧、溴氯二氟甲烷（灭火剂）、苯和液压油这些讨人厌的东西。
UhOhOreo2012
Isn't the F-22 also having oxygen issues inside the cockpit?
F-22不是也有驾驶员座舱内氧气（供给）的问题的么？
Boredlittlfucker
I believe that's the f-35's
我认为这是F-35的（问题）。
UhOhOreo2012
Thanks for the correction. I knew I was off on the model! haha
谢谢纠正。我知道我正处于（大脑）关闭模式！哈哈
Penguin-herder
Actually you are correct. The F-22 has issues with the oxygen breathers. IIRC, they had some issues with Freon being pumped into the breather.
事实上你是对的。F-22的氧气呼吸器有问题。如果我没记错，（这呼吸器）存在着氟利昂被吸入呼吸机的问题。
bru_tech
that article you linked is refering to the "Raptor Cough," which is related to oxygen use and the high speeds the machine operates at. doesn't mention hazardous materials though. I linked it to r/respiratorytherapy when the article came out and thought some CPAP (though i would have hoped the US air force would have thought the same) might help
你放的那个链接指的是“猛禽咳嗽”，这个现象与氧气的使用和高速运动时机器的运作有关，和有害物质并没有关系。文章发表的时候我把它链接到“呼吸疗法”这个链接上了，我觉得一些CPAP呼吸机（尽管我希望美国空军和我的想法一样）可以帮得上忙。
LinkFixerBot
/r/respiratorytherapy
呼吸疗法
Tron-Gorf
So it's like a 911 turbo.
所以这就像一个911涡轮一样。
Dosakaru
The CV-22 Osprey is the same way.. I hate it. So many things on this aircraft are just a huge pain in the ass to work on. I wish they would just scrap this program too.
CV-22鱼鹰也是一样的……我讨厌它。在这架飞机上进行的一切努力根本就是在进行一个巨大的麻烦。我希望他们也放弃这个计划。
FordSVT1
The F-22 was designed to perform first and foremost and to be easily maintained second.
Sounds like it was designed by Porsche.
F-22被设计出来就是为了让它成为第一和在最前列的机体，并且能够轻易保持第二。
听起来它（F-22）像是被保时捷公司设计出来的。
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Fynn_the_Finger
As an acquisition professional, I can give you some ideas of what they were thinking:
1.Contractor decided they'd make more money that way.
2.Senior government employee who's not directly working for the contract, but holds influence heaped a pet project into it.
3.Requirements creep.
From an engineer's perspective: 1. It was the most cost efficient/effective way to to it. 2. Because fuck the user, that's why.
作为收购的专业人员，我能够给你一些他们正在想什么的看法：
1.订约人那样的决定使他们可以赚更多的钱。
2.高级政府雇员虽然不直接的为合约做事，但是他们在其中持有的影响力充满了整个项目。
3.要求的蔓延。
从工程师的角度来看：1.这样做是最具成本效益/有效的途径。2.因为去他妈的用户，这就是原因。
Nicelysedated[S]
The money we spend on things in the military is scary. The 30k toilet seat doesn't exist, but there are hundreds of screws, nuts, bolts that are hundreds of dollars on these planes.
我们在军事上花费的钱是可怕的。在这些飞机上30K的马桶虽然不存在，但是有成百上千个螺丝、螺母和螺栓，这些花费成百上千美元。
straighttoplaid
As an engineer, every once and a while you need that $100 bolt. I'm not saying that they aren't used sometimes when they don't need to be but in aerospace sometimes you need a very specific metal in a very specific size to make something work. Usually the problem is performance at temperature, either the normal metal gets too soft, it creeps over time, or it expands too much/too little. The requirement could even be something that has nothing to do with normal operation. There are parts in military and civilian aircraft that have to be literally set on fire for a certain period of time without failing. Normal bolts may work fine for all normal conditions but because of that fire requirement you can't use them.
This forces you to use bolts made of some crazy unobtanium that is an absolute pain to work rather than an off the shelf bolt.
作为一个工程师，每隔一段时间你需要100美元螺栓。我不是说它们不需要的时候就不使用，但在航空航天时，有时你需要特定尺寸的特定金属使一些东西工作。通常的问题是有关温度的性能，无论是普通金属随着时间的推移逐渐膨胀变得太软，还是膨胀的太多/太少。这样的要求甚至是与正常操作无关的一些事情。在特定时期军用和民用飞机上的有关部分必须真正的点火，不能失败。普通情况下普通螺栓可能工作的很好，但是由于点火的要求，你不能使用它们。这迫使你使用由一些疯狂的超导体制作的螺栓，这绝对是比使用现成的螺栓更痛苦。
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Fynn_the_Finger
I work on high end antennas. One day I had the choice between just accepting the contractor's proposal to use 5 $60 washers, or paying them several hundred dollars to put together a justification to use the 5 $60 since it's a cost reimbursable contract and the engineers aren't cheap and they're slow when you ask them to do something they don't want to. Then of course the report has to go through management review, probably at least two layers. Then we apply overhead, cost of money, general and administrative, and fee, and before we know it, my question could cost way more than the washers ever would (and they'd still probably use the washers).
我的工作和高级天线有关。有一次，我有两个选择，是接受承包商的建议使用560的垫圈（这里不知道是多少啊！）美元的垫圈，还是把几百美元放在一起支付给他们。使用5 60美元垫圈的理由是补偿合同和工程师并不便宜，当你要求他们做一些他们不想做的事的时候，他们行动很慢。当然，这报告还必须通过至少两层的管理评审。然后，我们的开销，资金成本，行政费用就会超标，而且，在我们清楚之前，（解决）我的疑问所导致的开销就可能超过垫圈（甚至（到最后）他们可能仍然使用垫圈）。
Nicelysedated[S]
If you want to be rich, make something you can sell the government. I'll leave it at that.
如果你想变富，制造东西卖给政府，等着看吧
notathr0waway1
cost of money
I know what that means but that sounds funny.
我知道什么意思，但是听起来太可笑了
Ozigal
$800 hand soap dispenser. IMO, go toand steal one and tape it inside the lavatory (Heavy guy here).
800美元的洗手液瓶。去偷个胶在厕所吧（沉重的家伙）
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ObservoMatic
Are they going to get rid of the A10? Didn't they try before but the services wanted them and fought to keep them? Love that crazy plane... and I'm a far left wing anti-imperialist.
I'm assuming they want to dump it because the aerospace companies don't make as much money cranking out the same old simple-to-make a10 as they would desgning and building fancypants new junk like the JSF.... I'm very interested in your thoughts on this!
他们准备弃用A10么？他们之前不是试图弃用，但在后勤部门的抗争下保留A10了么？我喜欢那疯狂的飞机……并且，我是极左翼反帝国主义者。
我推测他们想要倾销这款飞机是因为，宇宙航空公司从他们将要设计和建造的如JSF那样的花哨的垃圾货身上赚到的钱，没有老A10这款制造简单的机体赚到的钱多……我对于你在这个问题上的想法非常感兴趣！
Nicelysedated[S]
The JSF is supposed to phase out the A-10. Will it be as able? Guess we will find out.
JSF应该可以淘汰A10。这种事会发生么？我们大概会知道的。
ObservoMatic
Thanks Mr. Sedated,
Since the JSF seems to be having.... shall we say... ahme....problems, is there talk of making more A10s, or extending the lives of the existing ones?
Sedated先生，谢谢你，
自从JSF好像……应该说……恩……出了问题，他们有讨论过制造更多A10或者延长现有飞机的使用年限？
Nicelysedated[S]
Lol. You make it sound like it has an STD. They extended the life of the A-10 already and it will be around for a long while still. There hasn't been one made since 1981 and I doubt they would ever make an older airframe while they are producing new ones.
哈哈哈。听你这么一说好像它（JSF）有性病一样。他们已经延长了A10的使用寿命，并且它仍然会被使用较长时间。自从1981年，就再也没有造过一台了，并且我认为他们正在生产新飞机的同时，是不会制造旧机体的。
ObservoMatic
I like the a10, the boys in the shit like the a10, what is the hold up here!!
Thanks again and good luck twisting those bolts!
我喜欢A10，（后面两短句没懂）
再次谢谢，并且祝你扭螺丝的时候好运！
TheMasque
I imagine all fighter jets to be relatively fragile things flying around in the sky. Could you explain to us exactly how survivable the A-10 is? Could it withstand, say, an RPG?
我觉得所有在天空飞行的战斗机相对来说都是比较脆弱的。你能说明下A10的强度如何吗？比如，A10能经得住RPG的一击吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
They aren't fragile. Pulling 9g's with missiles hanging on the wing is a lot of stress.
他们并不脆弱。最大过载9G，机翼上挂载导弹，这可是要承受很大压力的。
（译注：G就是地球上的重力加速度。战机最大过载9G，意思是这款战机最大能够承受9倍的重力加速度，超过9G，就可能造成飞机解体。）
ObservoMatic
There's a ton of stuff on the web about a10 durability... some crazy pics of planes that limped home that you cannot believe could even fly.
网络上有一大堆关于A10耐久性的信息……有些图片太疯狂，看着（A10）一瘸一拐地返回的样子，你没法相信它还能飞。
freemarket27
Do you work on drone aircraft?
你维护过无人机么？
Nicelysedated[S]
I have not.
没有。
xj13361987
Did the AFSC change over affect you at all? It got me since I am a fighter guy at an AFSOC base. Now I am stuck on RPAs for awhile.
空军系统司令部（AFSC）的改变对你有影响没？自从我成为空军特种作战司令部（AFSOC）基地的一名战士以来，它对我的影响就开始了。我已经在远程遥控飞行系统上耗费了很长一段时间。
Nicelysedated[S]
It did. We are now tagged as fifth gen aircraft only.
它对我有影响。我们现在只被标记为第五代飞行器（维护员）了。
xj13361987
At least your on an air frame you know about. I am tagged as RPAs only but I have not laid a hand on one yet. By the time I get back to the line as a Staff, hopefully a Tech, they will have to learn me on what a screw driver is again.
至少你在机体上，你多少知道一点。我只是被标记为远程遥控飞行系统。但是我现在还没碰过一把呢。当我归队的成为一名员工的时候，最好是技术人员，他们就又不得不让我去教他们什么是螺丝刀了。
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-186104-1-1.html原文地址:http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1btj4d/iama_fighter_jet_mechanic_that_has_worked_f22_f16/?sort=old
原文标题:IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost 龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
我是战斗机机械师,维护过F22,F16,F117,尽管提问吧
IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost anythin
龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
作者:翻译加工厂 发布日期:2013-05-02 浏览:94
译文简介:
USAF地勤谈论维护的帖子。
译文来源:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1btj4d/iama_fighter_jet_mechanic_that_has_worked_f22_f16/?sort=old
正文翻译:
每人一小段，翻译我也行！
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IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost anything. (self.IAmA)
我是个战斗机机械师，维护过F22，F16，F117。尽管提问吧。
submitted 2 天 ago* by Nicelysedated[S]
Nicelysedated提交于2天前
I am a 15 year veteran that has been around the world working these planes. I will answer anything I can that doesn't touch on anything sensitive.
我是一个15年的老兵，一直在世界各地与这些飞机工作。我会回答任何我能回答的事情，但是注意不要问敏感问题。
EDIT Dont know if this is enough proof. Some things I've gathered in my travels. Verification
不知道这能不能足够证明，有些事是我旅途中收集到的。
WOW! Didn't expect this level of response.
哇！没想到这么多回复。
Just to clarify, I HAVE NOT TOUCHED a F-35. I have seen one. Anything I say about the the F-35 is my opinion based off experience from aircraft I've worked.
澄清一下，我从来没有接触过F35，我曾经看见过一架。我说的任何关于F35的话都是基于我战机维护工作的个人观点。
（下面是F22，F16，A10的维基百科。）
Wiki for the F-22: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor
Wiki for the F-16: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen ... -16_Fighting_Falcon
Wiki for the A-10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fai ... A-10_Thunderbolt_II
More then a few people have asked me how to get into aviation maintenance. Obviously, the military is one way. The civilian side requires schools and a license from the FAA called an Airframe and Powerplant license. I have not worked civilian aviation and never plan too. The job market is volatile and a good diesel mechanic makes more in a lot of places.
有些人问我如何进入航空维护部门。显然，军队是一条路子。民用方面需要学校和来自美国联邦航空局的证书——机身和动力维护许可证。我没在民用航空工作过，也从不打算这么做。就业市场不是很稳定，一个好的柴油机械师能在很多地方赚得更多。
EDIT I was a little harsh on pilots. They are people just like anyone else that make mistakes. I have met a few in my time that are awesome people. I had a commander that spent 6 months as an Iraqi POW and was one of the most caring and awesome people I've ever met. He would takeoff late to sit and explain what he was doing on a mission because he felt it was important to know what our work accomplished.
我对飞行员有一点苛刻。他们也是人，也会犯错误。我也遇到过非常棒的几个人。我有个上司曾经在伊拉克被俘监禁6个月，他是我见过的最有爱心和最棒的人。他会在任务过程中要求延迟起飞，并说明他要做什么，因为他觉得弄清工作完成情况是非常重要的。
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Ryukuruyu
Did you find satisfaction in your job?
你觉得你对这份工作满意吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
Most of the time. I don't agree with everything that I have to do, but I'm not a policy maker.
大多数时候是的。有些工作中的事情我并不认同，但是我不是老大。
buddy_b_easy
Can you give an example of something that you disagree about?
你能给个例子么？关于那些你不认同的事情。
Nicelysedated[S]
Where our country focuses it efforts at time. Spent a lot of time in sandy places with lots of oil around helping people that hate us.
我们国家有时为了保持影响力花了大量的时间去帮助石油丰富的沙漠地区人民，而这些人仇视我们。
Reformed_Asshole
Bahrain much?
巴林怎么样？
Nicelysedated[S]
You do not know what it is to sweat until you've been to Bahrain..
你根本不知道什么是流汗除非你身在巴林。
Reformed_Asshole
Is it worse than Singapore or Korea in Summer?
比新加坡和韩国的夏天更糟？
Nicelysedated[S]
Haven't been to those in the summer, but I can't imagine they could be worse
没有在夏天去过新加坡和韩国，不过我觉得他们不会更糟。
Ayakalam
What so you think the policy should be instead?
那你觉得什么政策应该被修改？
DJCityQuamstyle
Four foot fall protection
四脚朝天跌落防护政策。
VioletViper
Might we have some proof?
Also, what would you say is the easiest to work on?
也许你有一些证据？
此外，你觉得工作中什么最简单？
Nicelysedated[S]
Working of verification with mods. F-16 would be the easiest to me, but I'm biased. It was the first jet I worked and the one I worked the longest.
模块的验证工作。F16是最简单的，不过可能是我的个人看法。它是我工作后接触的第一架机型，也是我为之工作时间最长的机型。
coffeegeek
Where were you stationed with F-16s? I spent a few years in Misawa...
你曾在哪儿驻扎过？我在日本三泽呆了一阵子。
Renegade8100
Do you get to test fly these jets after repairs?
你参与过战机修复后的飞行测试吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
No. Very few repairs require test flights. All tests are done with ground equipment before they fly. I am an enlisted mechanic, all flying is done by commissioned officers.
没。很少有维修的飞机需要测试飞行。所有测试都会在起飞前由地面设备完成。我是个机械师，飞行都是由飞行员完成。
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sarfreer
Are you sick of people asking when you'll get to fly them, or if you want to be a pilot?
当别人问你“你什么时候开飞机”，或“你想当飞行员吗”这样的问题时，你会很烦吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
The first thing people ask when I tell them I fix fighter jets....
"Cool, how often do you get to fly them"
I don't get upset anymore.
当我告诉别人我搞飞机维护的时候，他们通常会先问：
不错啊！你飞了多久了？
你说我还上什么火！
fsdsagihi
as an engineer of construction equipment, it's similar... if you fix something, you will most likely just write testing requirements for the machine. Not actually use it.
工程师路过，我搞建筑设备的，咱俩差不多...如果你修什么，你最多只是给它做个测试，不会真正去操作它。
fruitinspace
Do you at least get to go on an incentive ride occasionally?
至少你偶尔能来一把刺激的，坐一回驾驶座？
gaussweiss
But did you ever? In a trainer jet in the trainee seat, or something like that?
你没有这类经历？哪怕坐一回喷气教练机的见习座位或者其他类似的。
Nicelysedated[S]
Nope.
真心没有！
flowofthought
What's the best way to take one of these fighter jets down? Do they have any one major weakness in common? Like the Death Star or something?
揍下来一架飞机的最佳手段是什么？它们的要害相同吗？比如星球大战里的死星，或其他的
Nicelysedated[S]
Watch Iron Eagle.....All you ever needed to know about fighter jets.
去看《铁鹰战士》，那里面有你想了解的各种战机。
flowofthought
Awesome I will. What kind of training did you do before working on each model?
太棒了，我会的。你工作之前都需要进行什么样的培训？每种机型？
Nicelysedated[S]
2 months of Aircraft Fundamentals and 6 months of specific training for F-16's in tech school. Everything else was on the job and various schools throughout my time. Every new air frame was hands on training.
两个月的飞机基本原理学习，以及长达6个月的关于F-16的专项训练。其他方面的知识都是我靠自己的实际工作经验以及在各种各样的学校里面学来的。每种新的机身都得靠在实际的工作中掌握。
flowofthought
Interesting stuff thanks!
有趣的东西，多谢！
Mantan1701
I fucking love you now! Iron Eagle 1 fucking rules! Made me fall in love with the F-16. Fuck that Top Gun shit! DOUG MASTERS AND CHAPPY SINCLAIR RULE!
我爱死你了！《铁鹰战士1》让我疯狂地迷上了F-16！还有天杀的《壮志凌云》！道格·马斯特斯和查普·辛克莱！
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Nicelysedated[S]
Lol thanks. That movie makes me cringe now after working on F-16's. SO many liberties taken with what they can do.
（笑脸），谢谢，那部电影（楼上提到的铁鹰战士）让我有点发怵，他们在干活时竟然那么逍遥自在
SkinThatSmokeWagon
Do F-16's now have inputs for ipods, or do you still have to strap a Walkman to your leg to get in the zone?
那么F16现在有Ipod接入口了吗？还是你需要带个随身听来让自己进入状态？
Nicelysedated[S
You can actually make an input for an iPod, but hooking an iPod up to a 35 Million dollar jet carrying classified information is frowned on. I will say that they DO NOT fire missiles on the ground intentionally, and a side scrolling LED indicator telling you a missile is coming would get you killed.
实际上你可以带一个ipod，但是不会有人建议在造价35000000美元且信息保密的喷气式飞机挂ipod，我敢说他们不会在地面故意发射导弹，但是一个偏转的LED指针会告诉你有一个导弹正在向你飞来并杀了你。（译者：可能接入ipod会使飞机错误报警
[deleted]
Actually, the pilots do indeed have ipod 'Y Cord' for long trans-oceanic flights. It's not official, but they do it.
For obvious reasons they don't use these cables over land, or on combat sorties.
实际上，在远程跨洋航班上飞行员确实有ipod的Y线，这不是官方的，但确实有。
很明显，在陆地上空或格斗架次他们不会使用这些电线
insanegenius
Mach 6? OK! I prefer les chevaliers du ciel.
马赫数6？OK! 我喜欢空中决战。(马赫数6就是6倍音速)
N0V0w3ls
Nice try, Kim Jong-Un.
Edit: to be completely serious, even if he knew this, there'd be no way he could answer without risking jail time.
不错的尝试， 金正恩
编辑：是认真的，即使他知道这一点，他不冒着坐牢的危险就没办法回答
NewQuisito
Nice try, North Korea!
不错的尝试，北朝鲜！
hudsterboy
Can you rap?
你能用rap唱出来？（译注：楼上的回复有点押韵，像rap歌词的风格）
Nicelysedated[S]
In the shower after a night of drinking maybe?
喝了一晚上的酒后，洗澡的时候估计可以（用rap唱出来）
samtheman578
I see you're a little biased towards the F-16, but from an engineer/mechanic's stance, which plane is your favorite and why? I personally love the A-10.
我看你有点偏向于F-16，但从工程师/技师的立场，哪种飞机是你最喜欢的，为什么？我个人喜欢A-10。
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Nicelysedated[S]
That's a tough one. I would still go F-16. Ease of maintenance and it's wide arrange of abilities at a relatively low cost put it out front. The F-22 is a more lethal aircraft but it has a lot of things that make me stop and ask "WTF were they thinking". The A-10 is a close second because of its survivability and firepower.
这是一个艰难的抉择。我还是会去F-16。在一个相对较低的成本来说，它更易于维护并且具备多用途功能。F-22是更致命的飞机，但是它有很多事让我停下来想问“他们究竟在想些什么。”A-10紧随其后，因为它的存活能力和火力。
samtheman578
Could you elaborate a bit on the F-22 part? I really don't know as much about planes as I feel I should, but I've had a strange attraction to that plane as well.
你能详尽地描述一下F-22的部件吗？我真的不了解很多我觉得我应该了解的有关飞机的事。
Nicelysedated[S]
The F-22 was designed to perform first and foremost and to be easily maintained second. There are more then a few parts that are buried in the plane that the engineers figured would never need to be changed. They were very wrong.
F-22的设计主要是执行力，其次是易于维护。他们有很多工程师认为永远不需要改变的部件被飞机掩盖了。他们是错误的
mrsapphire
Are you referring to the difficulty involved in servicing and handling the hazmats which run some of the systems? I had a teacher who flew F-22s who mentioned that they had some very nasty shit in them but would never elaborate and it's next to impossible to find out what that kind of obscure and toxic materials are buried inside of them. All of the crashes resulted in hazmat cleanup and recovery as a #1 priority, i'm sure it's common procedure with all of the planes you work on, but it seems to be more pronounced with the F-22s.
你是指那些用操作系统参与维修和和处理危险物料的艰难吗？我曾有一个操作过F-22的老师提过有一些没有任何详细说明的危险物品就在其中。但是永远都不可能搞清楚存在哪些模糊的，有毒的物质在里面。所有的事故都导致了危险品的清理并且把恢复作为第一要务。我相信这是所有你工作过的飞机都有的程序，但是这个在F-22上更明显。
For those not familiar with the topic there's a great article about them here (and it even explicitly mentions the folks that service them) http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/stealth-pilots-coughing/
对那些不熟悉这个主题的人，这里有关于他们的非常详细的内容，（甚至明确的提到了他们服务的对象）http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/stealth-pilots-coughing/
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Nicelysedated[S]
Every plane is chock full of hazardous chemicals. The F-22 is no worse then any other. The worst is probably the F-16. It has a chemical called hydrazine on it. Real nasty stuff. I was exposed to it a few times (by pilots playing with buttons they shouldn't have) and had to be blood tested every month for a year after exposure.
任何飞机上都存在危险化学物质，相比而言，F-22还不算很糟。最差劲的估计是F-16，那上面竟然有肼这种化学品，这东西实在够呛，我接触过几次（飞行员按错了按钮），结果一年之内，我每个月都要去做血液测试。
Teets
Hydrazine is rocket fuel and carcinogenic. What is this in a fighter for? Ejection seat? Please tell me it is the turbo boosters!
肼是致癌的火箭燃料。把它放在战斗机里作甚？弹射椅？你不会想说用来涡轮增压吧？
Nicelysedated[S]
It powers an emergency generator.
这货是用来提供紧急电力的
Bicycle_fart
Ahh that's why they say never touch the red button, damn'd Hydrazine.
哦，怪不得说不要按红色键，天杀的肼
dog_in_the_vent
You were doing maintenance on the plane while the pilot was in the seat?
飞行员还没离机，你就去做检修？
Rabnudj
Recovering C-5 electrician now working on C-17s here. Working on the aircraft when pilots are in the seats is a pretty common thing actually. Sometimes, its a question, sometimes its a cycle of a circuit breaker and sometimes its telling them the plane is hard broke and they have to tail swap.
原C-5的电力检修工，现在给C-17干活的路过。飞行员在机上的时候搞检修这事很正常。有时只是小问题，有时电路环坏了，有时你得告诉他们飞机问题比较严重，让他们大修.
dog_in_the_vent
Yeah, we commonly have maintenance come on the plane to troubleshoot a problem. But we usually shut down and don't touch anything if they're actually working on it.
没错，我们在机上的时候，经常有检修过来查看，但当他们开始干活的时候，我们通常会关机，不去做任何操作。
Rabnudj
What aircraft do you fly? On cargo jets, depending on the problem, usually the engines are left running. I can tell you, personally, one of the worst feelings is telling the Aircraft Commander that the jet is hard broke and they have to tail swap. It really sucks if its a "must go" mission too.
你到底开过什么飞机？在运输机上，遇到这类事件，通常我们会关了发动机。我明确告诉你，就我个人而言，没有比告诉机长飞机坏了，需要 tail swap 还要糟糕的事情了。这确实很操蛋，如果必须这样做的话。
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ozspook
Somebody has to stand on the brakes while you check the lights are working. :)
Quite a few planes contain Hydrazine, LOX, BCF, Benzene and Hydraulic Fluid
Nasty stuff.., but at least it's not C-Stoff & T-stoff.
一些人必须一边踩煞车一边检查灯是不是在正常工作。（笑）
只有一小部分的飞机包含肼、液态氧、溴氯二氟甲烷（灭火剂）、苯和液压油这些讨人厌的东西。
UhOhOreo2012
Isn't the F-22 also having oxygen issues inside the cockpit?
F-22不是也有驾驶员座舱内氧气（供给）的问题的么？
Boredlittlfucker
I believe that's the f-35's
我认为这是F-35的（问题）。
UhOhOreo2012
Thanks for the correction. I knew I was off on the model! haha
谢谢纠正。我知道我正处于（大脑）关闭模式！哈哈
Penguin-herder
Actually you are correct. The F-22 has issues with the oxygen breathers. IIRC, they had some issues with Freon being pumped into the breather.
事实上你是对的。F-22的氧气呼吸器有问题。如果我没记错，（这呼吸器）存在着氟利昂被吸入呼吸机的问题。
bru_tech
that article you linked is refering to the "Raptor Cough," which is related to oxygen use and the high speeds the machine operates at. doesn't mention hazardous materials though. I linked it to r/respiratorytherapy when the article came out and thought some CPAP (though i would have hoped the US air force would have thought the same) might help
你放的那个链接指的是“猛禽咳嗽”，这个现象与氧气的使用和高速运动时机器的运作有关，和有害物质并没有关系。文章发表的时候我把它链接到“呼吸疗法”这个链接上了，我觉得一些CPAP呼吸机（尽管我希望美国空军和我的想法一样）可以帮得上忙。
LinkFixerBot
/r/respiratorytherapy
呼吸疗法
Tron-Gorf
So it's like a 911 turbo.
所以这就像一个911涡轮一样。
Dosakaru
The CV-22 Osprey is the same way.. I hate it. So many things on this aircraft are just a huge pain in the ass to work on. I wish they would just scrap this program too.
CV-22鱼鹰也是一样的……我讨厌它。在这架飞机上进行的一切努力根本就是在进行一个巨大的麻烦。我希望他们也放弃这个计划。
FordSVT1
The F-22 was designed to perform first and foremost and to be easily maintained second.
Sounds like it was designed by Porsche.
F-22被设计出来就是为了让它成为第一和在最前列的机体，并且能够轻易保持第二。
听起来它（F-22）像是被保时捷公司设计出来的。
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Fynn_the_Finger
As an acquisition professional, I can give you some ideas of what they were thinking:
1.Contractor decided they'd make more money that way.
2.Senior government employee who's not directly working for the contract, but holds influence heaped a pet project into it.
3.Requirements creep.
From an engineer's perspective: 1. It was the most cost efficient/effective way to to it. 2. Because fuck the user, that's why.
作为收购的专业人员，我能够给你一些他们正在想什么的看法：
1.订约人那样的决定使他们可以赚更多的钱。
2.高级政府雇员虽然不直接的为合约做事，但是他们在其中持有的影响力充满了整个项目。
3.要求的蔓延。
从工程师的角度来看：1.这样做是最具成本效益/有效的途径。2.因为去他妈的用户，这就是原因。
Nicelysedated[S]
The money we spend on things in the military is scary. The 30k toilet seat doesn't exist, but there are hundreds of screws, nuts, bolts that are hundreds of dollars on these planes.
我们在军事上花费的钱是可怕的。在这些飞机上30K的马桶虽然不存在，但是有成百上千个螺丝、螺母和螺栓，这些花费成百上千美元。
straighttoplaid
As an engineer, every once and a while you need that $100 bolt. I'm not saying that they aren't used sometimes when they don't need to be but in aerospace sometimes you need a very specific metal in a very specific size to make something work. Usually the problem is performance at temperature, either the normal metal gets too soft, it creeps over time, or it expands too much/too little. The requirement could even be something that has nothing to do with normal operation. There are parts in military and civilian aircraft that have to be literally set on fire for a certain period of time without failing. Normal bolts may work fine for all normal conditions but because of that fire requirement you can't use them.
This forces you to use bolts made of some crazy unobtanium that is an absolute pain to work rather than an off the shelf bolt.
作为一个工程师，每隔一段时间你需要100美元螺栓。我不是说它们不需要的时候就不使用，但在航空航天时，有时你需要特定尺寸的特定金属使一些东西工作。通常的问题是有关温度的性能，无论是普通金属随着时间的推移逐渐膨胀变得太软，还是膨胀的太多/太少。这样的要求甚至是与正常操作无关的一些事情。在特定时期军用和民用飞机上的有关部分必须真正的点火，不能失败。普通情况下普通螺栓可能工作的很好，但是由于点火的要求，你不能使用它们。这迫使你使用由一些疯狂的超导体制作的螺栓，这绝对是比使用现成的螺栓更痛苦。
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Fynn_the_Finger
I work on high end antennas. One day I had the choice between just accepting the contractor's proposal to use 5 $60 washers, or paying them several hundred dollars to put together a justification to use the 5 $60 since it's a cost reimbursable contract and the engineers aren't cheap and they're slow when you ask them to do something they don't want to. Then of course the report has to go through management review, probably at least two layers. Then we apply overhead, cost of money, general and administrative, and fee, and before we know it, my question could cost way more than the washers ever would (and they'd still probably use the washers).
我的工作和高级天线有关。有一次，我有两个选择，是接受承包商的建议使用560的垫圈（这里不知道是多少啊！）美元的垫圈，还是把几百美元放在一起支付给他们。使用5 60美元垫圈的理由是补偿合同和工程师并不便宜，当你要求他们做一些他们不想做的事的时候，他们行动很慢。当然，这报告还必须通过至少两层的管理评审。然后，我们的开销，资金成本，行政费用就会超标，而且，在我们清楚之前，（解决）我的疑问所导致的开销就可能超过垫圈（甚至（到最后）他们可能仍然使用垫圈）。
Nicelysedated[S]
If you want to be rich, make something you can sell the government. I'll leave it at that.
如果你想变富，制造东西卖给政府，等着看吧
notathr0waway1
cost of money
I know what that means but that sounds funny.
我知道什么意思，但是听起来太可笑了
Ozigal
$800 hand soap dispenser. IMO, go toand steal one and tape it inside the lavatory (Heavy guy here).
800美元的洗手液瓶。去偷个胶在厕所吧（沉重的家伙）
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ObservoMatic
Are they going to get rid of the A10? Didn't they try before but the services wanted them and fought to keep them? Love that crazy plane... and I'm a far left wing anti-imperialist.
I'm assuming they want to dump it because the aerospace companies don't make as much money cranking out the same old simple-to-make a10 as they would desgning and building fancypants new junk like the JSF.... I'm very interested in your thoughts on this!
他们准备弃用A10么？他们之前不是试图弃用，但在后勤部门的抗争下保留A10了么？我喜欢那疯狂的飞机……并且，我是极左翼反帝国主义者。
我推测他们想要倾销这款飞机是因为，宇宙航空公司从他们将要设计和建造的如JSF那样的花哨的垃圾货身上赚到的钱，没有老A10这款制造简单的机体赚到的钱多……我对于你在这个问题上的想法非常感兴趣！
Nicelysedated[S]
The JSF is supposed to phase out the A-10. Will it be as able? Guess we will find out.
JSF应该可以淘汰A10。这种事会发生么？我们大概会知道的。
ObservoMatic
Thanks Mr. Sedated,
Since the JSF seems to be having.... shall we say... ahme....problems, is there talk of making more A10s, or extending the lives of the existing ones?
Sedated先生，谢谢你，
自从JSF好像……应该说……恩……出了问题，他们有讨论过制造更多A10或者延长现有飞机的使用年限？
Nicelysedated[S]
Lol. You make it sound like it has an STD. They extended the life of the A-10 already and it will be around for a long while still. There hasn't been one made since 1981 and I doubt they would ever make an older airframe while they are producing new ones.
哈哈哈。听你这么一说好像它（JSF）有性病一样。他们已经延长了A10的使用寿命，并且它仍然会被使用较长时间。自从1981年，就再也没有造过一台了，并且我认为他们正在生产新飞机的同时，是不会制造旧机体的。
ObservoMatic
I like the a10, the boys in the shit like the a10, what is the hold up here!!
Thanks again and good luck twisting those bolts!
我喜欢A10，（后面两短句没懂）
再次谢谢，并且祝你扭螺丝的时候好运！
TheMasque
I imagine all fighter jets to be relatively fragile things flying around in the sky. Could you explain to us exactly how survivable the A-10 is? Could it withstand, say, an RPG?
我觉得所有在天空飞行的战斗机相对来说都是比较脆弱的。你能说明下A10的强度如何吗？比如，A10能经得住RPG的一击吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
They aren't fragile. Pulling 9g's with missiles hanging on the wing is a lot of stress.
他们并不脆弱。最大过载9G，机翼上挂载导弹，这可是要承受很大压力的。
（译注：G就是地球上的重力加速度。战机最大过载9G，意思是这款战机最大能够承受9倍的重力加速度，超过9G，就可能造成飞机解体。）
ObservoMatic
There's a ton of stuff on the web about a10 durability... some crazy pics of planes that limped home that you cannot believe could even fly.
网络上有一大堆关于A10耐久性的信息……有些图片太疯狂，看着（A10）一瘸一拐地返回的样子，你没法相信它还能飞。
freemarket27
Do you work on drone aircraft?
你维护过无人机么？
Nicelysedated[S]
I have not.
没有。
xj13361987
Did the AFSC change over affect you at all? It got me since I am a fighter guy at an AFSOC base. Now I am stuck on RPAs for awhile.
空军系统司令部（AFSC）的改变对你有影响没？自从我成为空军特种作战司令部（AFSOC）基地的一名战士以来，它对我的影响就开始了。我已经在远程遥控飞行系统上耗费了很长一段时间。
Nicelysedated[S]
It did. We are now tagged as fifth gen aircraft only.
它对我有影响。我们现在只被标记为第五代飞行器（维护员）了。
xj13361987
At least your on an air frame you know about. I am tagged as RPAs only but I have not laid a hand on one yet. By the time I get back to the line as a Staff, hopefully a Tech, they will have to learn me on what a screw driver is again.
至少你在机体上，你多少知道一点。我只是被标记为远程遥控飞行系统。但是我现在还没碰过一把呢。当我归队的成为一名员工的时候，最好是技术人员，他们就又不得不让我去教他们什么是螺丝刀了。
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-186104-1-1.html
原文标题:IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost 龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
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我是战斗机机械师,维护过F22,F16,F117,尽管提问吧
IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost anythin
龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
作者:翻译加工厂 发布日期:2013-05-02 浏览:94
译文简介:
USAF地勤谈论维护的帖子。
译文来源:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1btj4d/iama_fighter_jet_mechanic_that_has_worked_f22_f16/?sort=old
正文翻译:
每人一小段，翻译我也行！
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IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost anything. (self.IAmA)
我是个战斗机机械师，维护过F22，F16，F117。尽管提问吧。
submitted 2 天 ago* by Nicelysedated[S]
Nicelysedated提交于2天前
I am a 15 year veteran that has been around the world working these planes. I will answer anything I can that doesn't touch on anything sensitive.
我是一个15年的老兵，一直在世界各地与这些飞机工作。我会回答任何我能回答的事情，但是注意不要问敏感问题。
EDIT Dont know if this is enough proof. Some things I've gathered in my travels. Verification
不知道这能不能足够证明，有些事是我旅途中收集到的。
WOW! Didn't expect this level of response.
哇！没想到这么多回复。
Just to clarify, I HAVE NOT TOUCHED a F-35. I have seen one. Anything I say about the the F-35 is my opinion based off experience from aircraft I've worked.
澄清一下，我从来没有接触过F35，我曾经看见过一架。我说的任何关于F35的话都是基于我战机维护工作的个人观点。
（下面是F22，F16，A10的维基百科。）
Wiki for the F-22: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor
Wiki for the F-16: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen ... -16_Fighting_Falcon
Wiki for the A-10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fai ... A-10_Thunderbolt_II
More then a few people have asked me how to get into aviation maintenance. Obviously, the military is one way. The civilian side requires schools and a license from the FAA called an Airframe and Powerplant license. I have not worked civilian aviation and never plan too. The job market is volatile and a good diesel mechanic makes more in a lot of places.
有些人问我如何进入航空维护部门。显然，军队是一条路子。民用方面需要学校和来自美国联邦航空局的证书——机身和动力维护许可证。我没在民用航空工作过，也从不打算这么做。就业市场不是很稳定，一个好的柴油机械师能在很多地方赚得更多。
EDIT I was a little harsh on pilots. They are people just like anyone else that make mistakes. I have met a few in my time that are awesome people. I had a commander that spent 6 months as an Iraqi POW and was one of the most caring and awesome people I've ever met. He would takeoff late to sit and explain what he was doing on a mission because he felt it was important to know what our work accomplished.
我对飞行员有一点苛刻。他们也是人，也会犯错误。我也遇到过非常棒的几个人。我有个上司曾经在伊拉克被俘监禁6个月，他是我见过的最有爱心和最棒的人。他会在任务过程中要求延迟起飞，并说明他要做什么，因为他觉得弄清工作完成情况是非常重要的。
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Ryukuruyu
Did you find satisfaction in your job?
你觉得你对这份工作满意吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
Most of the time. I don't agree with everything that I have to do, but I'm not a policy maker.
大多数时候是的。有些工作中的事情我并不认同，但是我不是老大。
buddy_b_easy
Can you give an example of something that you disagree about?
你能给个例子么？关于那些你不认同的事情。
Nicelysedated[S]
Where our country focuses it efforts at time. Spent a lot of time in sandy places with lots of oil around helping people that hate us.
我们国家有时为了保持影响力花了大量的时间去帮助石油丰富的沙漠地区人民，而这些人仇视我们。
Reformed_Asshole
Bahrain much?
巴林怎么样？
Nicelysedated[S]
You do not know what it is to sweat until you've been to Bahrain..
你根本不知道什么是流汗除非你身在巴林。
Reformed_Asshole
Is it worse than Singapore or Korea in Summer?
比新加坡和韩国的夏天更糟？
Nicelysedated[S]
Haven't been to those in the summer, but I can't imagine they could be worse
没有在夏天去过新加坡和韩国，不过我觉得他们不会更糟。
Ayakalam
What so you think the policy should be instead?
那你觉得什么政策应该被修改？
DJCityQuamstyle
Four foot fall protection
四脚朝天跌落防护政策。
VioletViper
Might we have some proof?
Also, what would you say is the easiest to work on?
也许你有一些证据？
此外，你觉得工作中什么最简单？
Nicelysedated[S]
Working of verification with mods. F-16 would be the easiest to me, but I'm biased. It was the first jet I worked and the one I worked the longest.
模块的验证工作。F16是最简单的，不过可能是我的个人看法。它是我工作后接触的第一架机型，也是我为之工作时间最长的机型。
coffeegeek
Where were you stationed with F-16s? I spent a few years in Misawa...
你曾在哪儿驻扎过？我在日本三泽呆了一阵子。
Renegade8100
Do you get to test fly these jets after repairs?
你参与过战机修复后的飞行测试吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
No. Very few repairs require test flights. All tests are done with ground equipment before they fly. I am an enlisted mechanic, all flying is done by commissioned officers.
没。很少有维修的飞机需要测试飞行。所有测试都会在起飞前由地面设备完成。我是个机械师，飞行都是由飞行员完成。
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sarfreer
Are you sick of people asking when you'll get to fly them, or if you want to be a pilot?
当别人问你“你什么时候开飞机”，或“你想当飞行员吗”这样的问题时，你会很烦吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
The first thing people ask when I tell them I fix fighter jets....
"Cool, how often do you get to fly them"
I don't get upset anymore.
当我告诉别人我搞飞机维护的时候，他们通常会先问：
不错啊！你飞了多久了？
你说我还上什么火！
fsdsagihi
as an engineer of construction equipment, it's similar... if you fix something, you will most likely just write testing requirements for the machine. Not actually use it.
工程师路过，我搞建筑设备的，咱俩差不多...如果你修什么，你最多只是给它做个测试，不会真正去操作它。
fruitinspace
Do you at least get to go on an incentive ride occasionally?
至少你偶尔能来一把刺激的，坐一回驾驶座？
gaussweiss
But did you ever? In a trainer jet in the trainee seat, or something like that?
你没有这类经历？哪怕坐一回喷气教练机的见习座位或者其他类似的。
Nicelysedated[S]
Nope.
真心没有！
flowofthought
What's the best way to take one of these fighter jets down? Do they have any one major weakness in common? Like the Death Star or something?
揍下来一架飞机的最佳手段是什么？它们的要害相同吗？比如星球大战里的死星，或其他的
Nicelysedated[S]
Watch Iron Eagle.....All you ever needed to know about fighter jets.
去看《铁鹰战士》，那里面有你想了解的各种战机。
flowofthought
Awesome I will. What kind of training did you do before working on each model?
太棒了，我会的。你工作之前都需要进行什么样的培训？每种机型？
Nicelysedated[S]
2 months of Aircraft Fundamentals and 6 months of specific training for F-16's in tech school. Everything else was on the job and various schools throughout my time. Every new air frame was hands on training.
两个月的飞机基本原理学习，以及长达6个月的关于F-16的专项训练。其他方面的知识都是我靠自己的实际工作经验以及在各种各样的学校里面学来的。每种新的机身都得靠在实际的工作中掌握。
flowofthought
Interesting stuff thanks!
有趣的东西，多谢！
Mantan1701
I fucking love you now! Iron Eagle 1 fucking rules! Made me fall in love with the F-16. Fuck that Top Gun shit! DOUG MASTERS AND CHAPPY SINCLAIR RULE!
我爱死你了！《铁鹰战士1》让我疯狂地迷上了F-16！还有天杀的《壮志凌云》！道格·马斯特斯和查普·辛克莱！
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Nicelysedated[S]
Lol thanks. That movie makes me cringe now after working on F-16's. SO many liberties taken with what they can do.
（笑脸），谢谢，那部电影（楼上提到的铁鹰战士）让我有点发怵，他们在干活时竟然那么逍遥自在
SkinThatSmokeWagon
Do F-16's now have inputs for ipods, or do you still have to strap a Walkman to your leg to get in the zone?
那么F16现在有Ipod接入口了吗？还是你需要带个随身听来让自己进入状态？
Nicelysedated[S
You can actually make an input for an iPod, but hooking an iPod up to a 35 Million dollar jet carrying classified information is frowned on. I will say that they DO NOT fire missiles on the ground intentionally, and a side scrolling LED indicator telling you a missile is coming would get you killed.
实际上你可以带一个ipod，但是不会有人建议在造价35000000美元且信息保密的喷气式飞机挂ipod，我敢说他们不会在地面故意发射导弹，但是一个偏转的LED指针会告诉你有一个导弹正在向你飞来并杀了你。（译者：可能接入ipod会使飞机错误报警
[deleted]
Actually, the pilots do indeed have ipod 'Y Cord' for long trans-oceanic flights. It's not official, but they do it.
For obvious reasons they don't use these cables over land, or on combat sorties.
实际上，在远程跨洋航班上飞行员确实有ipod的Y线，这不是官方的，但确实有。
很明显，在陆地上空或格斗架次他们不会使用这些电线
insanegenius
Mach 6? OK! I prefer les chevaliers du ciel.
马赫数6？OK! 我喜欢空中决战。(马赫数6就是6倍音速)
N0V0w3ls
Nice try, Kim Jong-Un.
Edit: to be completely serious, even if he knew this, there'd be no way he could answer without risking jail time.
不错的尝试， 金正恩
编辑：是认真的，即使他知道这一点，他不冒着坐牢的危险就没办法回答
NewQuisito
Nice try, North Korea!
不错的尝试，北朝鲜！
hudsterboy
Can you rap?
你能用rap唱出来？（译注：楼上的回复有点押韵，像rap歌词的风格）
Nicelysedated[S]
In the shower after a night of drinking maybe?
喝了一晚上的酒后，洗澡的时候估计可以（用rap唱出来）
samtheman578
I see you're a little biased towards the F-16, but from an engineer/mechanic's stance, which plane is your favorite and why? I personally love the A-10.
我看你有点偏向于F-16，但从工程师/技师的立场，哪种飞机是你最喜欢的，为什么？我个人喜欢A-10。
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Nicelysedated[S]
That's a tough one. I would still go F-16. Ease of maintenance and it's wide arrange of abilities at a relatively low cost put it out front. The F-22 is a more lethal aircraft but it has a lot of things that make me stop and ask "WTF were they thinking". The A-10 is a close second because of its survivability and firepower.
这是一个艰难的抉择。我还是会去F-16。在一个相对较低的成本来说，它更易于维护并且具备多用途功能。F-22是更致命的飞机，但是它有很多事让我停下来想问“他们究竟在想些什么。”A-10紧随其后，因为它的存活能力和火力。
samtheman578
Could you elaborate a bit on the F-22 part? I really don't know as much about planes as I feel I should, but I've had a strange attraction to that plane as well.
你能详尽地描述一下F-22的部件吗？我真的不了解很多我觉得我应该了解的有关飞机的事。
Nicelysedated[S]
The F-22 was designed to perform first and foremost and to be easily maintained second. There are more then a few parts that are buried in the plane that the engineers figured would never need to be changed. They were very wrong.
F-22的设计主要是执行力，其次是易于维护。他们有很多工程师认为永远不需要改变的部件被飞机掩盖了。他们是错误的
mrsapphire
Are you referring to the difficulty involved in servicing and handling the hazmats which run some of the systems? I had a teacher who flew F-22s who mentioned that they had some very nasty shit in them but would never elaborate and it's next to impossible to find out what that kind of obscure and toxic materials are buried inside of them. All of the crashes resulted in hazmat cleanup and recovery as a #1 priority, i'm sure it's common procedure with all of the planes you work on, but it seems to be more pronounced with the F-22s.
你是指那些用操作系统参与维修和和处理危险物料的艰难吗？我曾有一个操作过F-22的老师提过有一些没有任何详细说明的危险物品就在其中。但是永远都不可能搞清楚存在哪些模糊的，有毒的物质在里面。所有的事故都导致了危险品的清理并且把恢复作为第一要务。我相信这是所有你工作过的飞机都有的程序，但是这个在F-22上更明显。
For those not familiar with the topic there's a great article about them here (and it even explicitly mentions the folks that service them) http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/stealth-pilots-coughing/
对那些不熟悉这个主题的人，这里有关于他们的非常详细的内容，（甚至明确的提到了他们服务的对象）http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/stealth-pilots-coughing/
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Nicelysedated[S]
Every plane is chock full of hazardous chemicals. The F-22 is no worse then any other. The worst is probably the F-16. It has a chemical called hydrazine on it. Real nasty stuff. I was exposed to it a few times (by pilots playing with buttons they shouldn't have) and had to be blood tested every month for a year after exposure.
任何飞机上都存在危险化学物质，相比而言，F-22还不算很糟。最差劲的估计是F-16，那上面竟然有肼这种化学品，这东西实在够呛，我接触过几次（飞行员按错了按钮），结果一年之内，我每个月都要去做血液测试。
Teets
Hydrazine is rocket fuel and carcinogenic. What is this in a fighter for? Ejection seat? Please tell me it is the turbo boosters!
肼是致癌的火箭燃料。把它放在战斗机里作甚？弹射椅？你不会想说用来涡轮增压吧？
Nicelysedated[S]
It powers an emergency generator.
这货是用来提供紧急电力的
Bicycle_fart
Ahh that's why they say never touch the red button, damn'd Hydrazine.
哦，怪不得说不要按红色键，天杀的肼
dog_in_the_vent
You were doing maintenance on the plane while the pilot was in the seat?
飞行员还没离机，你就去做检修？
Rabnudj
Recovering C-5 electrician now working on C-17s here. Working on the aircraft when pilots are in the seats is a pretty common thing actually. Sometimes, its a question, sometimes its a cycle of a circuit breaker and sometimes its telling them the plane is hard broke and they have to tail swap.
原C-5的电力检修工，现在给C-17干活的路过。飞行员在机上的时候搞检修这事很正常。有时只是小问题，有时电路环坏了，有时你得告诉他们飞机问题比较严重，让他们大修.
dog_in_the_vent
Yeah, we commonly have maintenance come on the plane to troubleshoot a problem. But we usually shut down and don't touch anything if they're actually working on it.
没错，我们在机上的时候，经常有检修过来查看，但当他们开始干活的时候，我们通常会关机，不去做任何操作。
Rabnudj
What aircraft do you fly? On cargo jets, depending on the problem, usually the engines are left running. I can tell you, personally, one of the worst feelings is telling the Aircraft Commander that the jet is hard broke and they have to tail swap. It really sucks if its a "must go" mission too.
你到底开过什么飞机？在运输机上，遇到这类事件，通常我们会关了发动机。我明确告诉你，就我个人而言，没有比告诉机长飞机坏了，需要 tail swap 还要糟糕的事情了。这确实很操蛋，如果必须这样做的话。
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ozspook
Somebody has to stand on the brakes while you check the lights are working. :)
Quite a few planes contain Hydrazine, LOX, BCF, Benzene and Hydraulic Fluid
Nasty stuff.., but at least it's not C-Stoff & T-stoff.
一些人必须一边踩煞车一边检查灯是不是在正常工作。（笑）
只有一小部分的飞机包含肼、液态氧、溴氯二氟甲烷（灭火剂）、苯和液压油这些讨人厌的东西。
UhOhOreo2012
Isn't the F-22 also having oxygen issues inside the cockpit?
F-22不是也有驾驶员座舱内氧气（供给）的问题的么？
Boredlittlfucker
I believe that's the f-35's
我认为这是F-35的（问题）。
UhOhOreo2012
Thanks for the correction. I knew I was off on the model! haha
谢谢纠正。我知道我正处于（大脑）关闭模式！哈哈
Penguin-herder
Actually you are correct. The F-22 has issues with the oxygen breathers. IIRC, they had some issues with Freon being pumped into the breather.
事实上你是对的。F-22的氧气呼吸器有问题。如果我没记错，（这呼吸器）存在着氟利昂被吸入呼吸机的问题。
bru_tech
that article you linked is refering to the "Raptor Cough," which is related to oxygen use and the high speeds the machine operates at. doesn't mention hazardous materials though. I linked it to r/respiratorytherapy when the article came out and thought some CPAP (though i would have hoped the US air force would have thought the same) might help
你放的那个链接指的是“猛禽咳嗽”，这个现象与氧气的使用和高速运动时机器的运作有关，和有害物质并没有关系。文章发表的时候我把它链接到“呼吸疗法”这个链接上了，我觉得一些CPAP呼吸机（尽管我希望美国空军和我的想法一样）可以帮得上忙。
LinkFixerBot
/r/respiratorytherapy
呼吸疗法
Tron-Gorf
So it's like a 911 turbo.
所以这就像一个911涡轮一样。
Dosakaru
The CV-22 Osprey is the same way.. I hate it. So many things on this aircraft are just a huge pain in the ass to work on. I wish they would just scrap this program too.
CV-22鱼鹰也是一样的……我讨厌它。在这架飞机上进行的一切努力根本就是在进行一个巨大的麻烦。我希望他们也放弃这个计划。
FordSVT1
The F-22 was designed to perform first and foremost and to be easily maintained second.
Sounds like it was designed by Porsche.
F-22被设计出来就是为了让它成为第一和在最前列的机体，并且能够轻易保持第二。
听起来它（F-22）像是被保时捷公司设计出来的。
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Fynn_the_Finger
As an acquisition professional, I can give you some ideas of what they were thinking:
1.Contractor decided they'd make more money that way.
2.Senior government employee who's not directly working for the contract, but holds influence heaped a pet project into it.
3.Requirements creep.
From an engineer's perspective: 1. It was the most cost efficient/effective way to to it. 2. Because fuck the user, that's why.
作为收购的专业人员，我能够给你一些他们正在想什么的看法：
1.订约人那样的决定使他们可以赚更多的钱。
2.高级政府雇员虽然不直接的为合约做事，但是他们在其中持有的影响力充满了整个项目。
3.要求的蔓延。
从工程师的角度来看：1.这样做是最具成本效益/有效的途径。2.因为去他妈的用户，这就是原因。
Nicelysedated[S]
The money we spend on things in the military is scary. The 30k toilet seat doesn't exist, but there are hundreds of screws, nuts, bolts that are hundreds of dollars on these planes.
我们在军事上花费的钱是可怕的。在这些飞机上30K的马桶虽然不存在，但是有成百上千个螺丝、螺母和螺栓，这些花费成百上千美元。
straighttoplaid
As an engineer, every once and a while you need that $100 bolt. I'm not saying that they aren't used sometimes when they don't need to be but in aerospace sometimes you need a very specific metal in a very specific size to make something work. Usually the problem is performance at temperature, either the normal metal gets too soft, it creeps over time, or it expands too much/too little. The requirement could even be something that has nothing to do with normal operation. There are parts in military and civilian aircraft that have to be literally set on fire for a certain period of time without failing. Normal bolts may work fine for all normal conditions but because of that fire requirement you can't use them.
This forces you to use bolts made of some crazy unobtanium that is an absolute pain to work rather than an off the shelf bolt.
作为一个工程师，每隔一段时间你需要100美元螺栓。我不是说它们不需要的时候就不使用，但在航空航天时，有时你需要特定尺寸的特定金属使一些东西工作。通常的问题是有关温度的性能，无论是普通金属随着时间的推移逐渐膨胀变得太软，还是膨胀的太多/太少。这样的要求甚至是与正常操作无关的一些事情。在特定时期军用和民用飞机上的有关部分必须真正的点火，不能失败。普通情况下普通螺栓可能工作的很好，但是由于点火的要求，你不能使用它们。这迫使你使用由一些疯狂的超导体制作的螺栓，这绝对是比使用现成的螺栓更痛苦。
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Fynn_the_Finger
I work on high end antennas. One day I had the choice between just accepting the contractor's proposal to use 5 $60 washers, or paying them several hundred dollars to put together a justification to use the 5 $60 since it's a cost reimbursable contract and the engineers aren't cheap and they're slow when you ask them to do something they don't want to. Then of course the report has to go through management review, probably at least two layers. Then we apply overhead, cost of money, general and administrative, and fee, and before we know it, my question could cost way more than the washers ever would (and they'd still probably use the washers).
我的工作和高级天线有关。有一次，我有两个选择，是接受承包商的建议使用560的垫圈（这里不知道是多少啊！）美元的垫圈，还是把几百美元放在一起支付给他们。使用5 60美元垫圈的理由是补偿合同和工程师并不便宜，当你要求他们做一些他们不想做的事的时候，他们行动很慢。当然，这报告还必须通过至少两层的管理评审。然后，我们的开销，资金成本，行政费用就会超标，而且，在我们清楚之前，（解决）我的疑问所导致的开销就可能超过垫圈（甚至（到最后）他们可能仍然使用垫圈）。
Nicelysedated[S]
If you want to be rich, make something you can sell the government. I'll leave it at that.
如果你想变富，制造东西卖给政府，等着看吧
notathr0waway1
cost of money
I know what that means but that sounds funny.
我知道什么意思，但是听起来太可笑了
Ozigal
$800 hand soap dispenser. IMO, go toand steal one and tape it inside the lavatory (Heavy guy here).
800美元的洗手液瓶。去偷个胶在厕所吧（沉重的家伙）
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ObservoMatic
Are they going to get rid of the A10? Didn't they try before but the services wanted them and fought to keep them? Love that crazy plane... and I'm a far left wing anti-imperialist.
I'm assuming they want to dump it because the aerospace companies don't make as much money cranking out the same old simple-to-make a10 as they would desgning and building fancypants new junk like the JSF.... I'm very interested in your thoughts on this!
他们准备弃用A10么？他们之前不是试图弃用，但在后勤部门的抗争下保留A10了么？我喜欢那疯狂的飞机……并且，我是极左翼反帝国主义者。
我推测他们想要倾销这款飞机是因为，宇宙航空公司从他们将要设计和建造的如JSF那样的花哨的垃圾货身上赚到的钱，没有老A10这款制造简单的机体赚到的钱多……我对于你在这个问题上的想法非常感兴趣！
Nicelysedated[S]
The JSF is supposed to phase out the A-10. Will it be as able? Guess we will find out.
JSF应该可以淘汰A10。这种事会发生么？我们大概会知道的。
ObservoMatic
Thanks Mr. Sedated,
Since the JSF seems to be having.... shall we say... ahme....problems, is there talk of making more A10s, or extending the lives of the existing ones?
Sedated先生，谢谢你，
自从JSF好像……应该说……恩……出了问题，他们有讨论过制造更多A10或者延长现有飞机的使用年限？
Nicelysedated[S]
Lol. You make it sound like it has an STD. They extended the life of the A-10 already and it will be around for a long while still. There hasn't been one made since 1981 and I doubt they would ever make an older airframe while they are producing new ones.
哈哈哈。听你这么一说好像它（JSF）有性病一样。他们已经延长了A10的使用寿命，并且它仍然会被使用较长时间。自从1981年，就再也没有造过一台了，并且我认为他们正在生产新飞机的同时，是不会制造旧机体的。
ObservoMatic
I like the a10, the boys in the shit like the a10, what is the hold up here!!
Thanks again and good luck twisting those bolts!
我喜欢A10，（后面两短句没懂）
再次谢谢，并且祝你扭螺丝的时候好运！
TheMasque
I imagine all fighter jets to be relatively fragile things flying around in the sky. Could you explain to us exactly how survivable the A-10 is? Could it withstand, say, an RPG?
我觉得所有在天空飞行的战斗机相对来说都是比较脆弱的。你能说明下A10的强度如何吗？比如，A10能经得住RPG的一击吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
They aren't fragile. Pulling 9g's with missiles hanging on the wing is a lot of stress.
他们并不脆弱。最大过载9G，机翼上挂载导弹，这可是要承受很大压力的。
（译注：G就是地球上的重力加速度。战机最大过载9G，意思是这款战机最大能够承受9倍的重力加速度，超过9G，就可能造成飞机解体。）
ObservoMatic
There's a ton of stuff on the web about a10 durability... some crazy pics of planes that limped home that you cannot believe could even fly.
网络上有一大堆关于A10耐久性的信息……有些图片太疯狂，看着（A10）一瘸一拐地返回的样子，你没法相信它还能飞。
freemarket27
Do you work on drone aircraft?
你维护过无人机么？
Nicelysedated[S]
I have not.
没有。
xj13361987
Did the AFSC change over affect you at all? It got me since I am a fighter guy at an AFSOC base. Now I am stuck on RPAs for awhile.
空军系统司令部（AFSC）的改变对你有影响没？自从我成为空军特种作战司令部（AFSOC）基地的一名战士以来，它对我的影响就开始了。我已经在远程遥控飞行系统上耗费了很长一段时间。
Nicelysedated[S]
It did. We are now tagged as fifth gen aircraft only.
它对我有影响。我们现在只被标记为第五代飞行器（维护员）了。
xj13361987
At least your on an air frame you know about. I am tagged as RPAs only but I have not laid a hand on one yet. By the time I get back to the line as a Staff, hopefully a Tech, they will have to learn me on what a screw driver is again.
至少你在机体上，你多少知道一点。我只是被标记为远程遥控飞行系统。但是我现在还没碰过一把呢。当我归队的成为一名员工的时候，最好是技术人员，他们就又不得不让我去教他们什么是螺丝刀了。
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-186104-1-1.html原文地址:http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1btj4d/iama_fighter_jet_mechanic_that_has_worked_f22_f16/?sort=old
原文标题:IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost 龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
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我是战斗机机械师,维护过F22,F16,F117,尽管提问吧
IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost anythin
龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com
作者:翻译加工厂 发布日期:2013-05-02 浏览:94
译文简介:
USAF地勤谈论维护的帖子。
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正文翻译:
每人一小段，翻译我也行！
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IAMA Fighter jet mechanic that has worked F-22, F-16, F-117 and A-10 aircraft. Ask me almost anything. (self.IAmA)
我是个战斗机机械师，维护过F22，F16，F117。尽管提问吧。
submitted 2 天 ago* by Nicelysedated[S]
Nicelysedated提交于2天前
I am a 15 year veteran that has been around the world working these planes. I will answer anything I can that doesn't touch on anything sensitive.
我是一个15年的老兵，一直在世界各地与这些飞机工作。我会回答任何我能回答的事情，但是注意不要问敏感问题。
EDIT Dont know if this is enough proof. Some things I've gathered in my travels. Verification
不知道这能不能足够证明，有些事是我旅途中收集到的。
WOW! Didn't expect this level of response.
哇！没想到这么多回复。
Just to clarify, I HAVE NOT TOUCHED a F-35. I have seen one. Anything I say about the the F-35 is my opinion based off experience from aircraft I've worked.
澄清一下，我从来没有接触过F35，我曾经看见过一架。我说的任何关于F35的话都是基于我战机维护工作的个人观点。
（下面是F22，F16，A10的维基百科。）
Wiki for the F-22: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor
Wiki for the F-16: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen ... -16_Fighting_Falcon
Wiki for the A-10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fai ... A-10_Thunderbolt_II
More then a few people have asked me how to get into aviation maintenance. Obviously, the military is one way. The civilian side requires schools and a license from the FAA called an Airframe and Powerplant license. I have not worked civilian aviation and never plan too. The job market is volatile and a good diesel mechanic makes more in a lot of places.
有些人问我如何进入航空维护部门。显然，军队是一条路子。民用方面需要学校和来自美国联邦航空局的证书——机身和动力维护许可证。我没在民用航空工作过，也从不打算这么做。就业市场不是很稳定，一个好的柴油机械师能在很多地方赚得更多。
EDIT I was a little harsh on pilots. They are people just like anyone else that make mistakes. I have met a few in my time that are awesome people. I had a commander that spent 6 months as an Iraqi POW and was one of the most caring and awesome people I've ever met. He would takeoff late to sit and explain what he was doing on a mission because he felt it was important to know what our work accomplished.
我对飞行员有一点苛刻。他们也是人，也会犯错误。我也遇到过非常棒的几个人。我有个上司曾经在伊拉克被俘监禁6个月，他是我见过的最有爱心和最棒的人。他会在任务过程中要求延迟起飞，并说明他要做什么，因为他觉得弄清工作完成情况是非常重要的。
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每人一小段，翻译我也行！
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Ryukuruyu
Did you find satisfaction in your job?
你觉得你对这份工作满意吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
Most of the time. I don't agree with everything that I have to do, but I'm not a policy maker.
大多数时候是的。有些工作中的事情我并不认同，但是我不是老大。
buddy_b_easy
Can you give an example of something that you disagree about?
你能给个例子么？关于那些你不认同的事情。
Nicelysedated[S]
Where our country focuses it efforts at time. Spent a lot of time in sandy places with lots of oil around helping people that hate us.
我们国家有时为了保持影响力花了大量的时间去帮助石油丰富的沙漠地区人民，而这些人仇视我们。
Reformed_Asshole
Bahrain much?
巴林怎么样？
Nicelysedated[S]
You do not know what it is to sweat until you've been to Bahrain..
你根本不知道什么是流汗除非你身在巴林。
Reformed_Asshole
Is it worse than Singapore or Korea in Summer?
比新加坡和韩国的夏天更糟？
Nicelysedated[S]
Haven't been to those in the summer, but I can't imagine they could be worse
没有在夏天去过新加坡和韩国，不过我觉得他们不会更糟。
Ayakalam
What so you think the policy should be instead?
那你觉得什么政策应该被修改？
DJCityQuamstyle
Four foot fall protection
四脚朝天跌落防护政策。
VioletViper
Might we have some proof?
Also, what would you say is the easiest to work on?
也许你有一些证据？
此外，你觉得工作中什么最简单？
Nicelysedated[S]
Working of verification with mods. F-16 would be the easiest to me, but I'm biased. It was the first jet I worked and the one I worked the longest.
模块的验证工作。F16是最简单的，不过可能是我的个人看法。它是我工作后接触的第一架机型，也是我为之工作时间最长的机型。
coffeegeek
Where were you stationed with F-16s? I spent a few years in Misawa...
你曾在哪儿驻扎过？我在日本三泽呆了一阵子。
Renegade8100
Do you get to test fly these jets after repairs?
你参与过战机修复后的飞行测试吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
No. Very few repairs require test flights. All tests are done with ground equipment before they fly. I am an enlisted mechanic, all flying is done by commissioned officers.
没。很少有维修的飞机需要测试飞行。所有测试都会在起飞前由地面设备完成。我是个机械师，飞行都是由飞行员完成。
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sarfreer
Are you sick of people asking when you'll get to fly them, or if you want to be a pilot?
当别人问你“你什么时候开飞机”，或“你想当飞行员吗”这样的问题时，你会很烦吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
The first thing people ask when I tell them I fix fighter jets....
"Cool, how often do you get to fly them"
I don't get upset anymore.
当我告诉别人我搞飞机维护的时候，他们通常会先问：
不错啊！你飞了多久了？
你说我还上什么火！
fsdsagihi
as an engineer of construction equipment, it's similar... if you fix something, you will most likely just write testing requirements for the machine. Not actually use it.
工程师路过，我搞建筑设备的，咱俩差不多...如果你修什么，你最多只是给它做个测试，不会真正去操作它。
fruitinspace
Do you at least get to go on an incentive ride occasionally?
至少你偶尔能来一把刺激的，坐一回驾驶座？
gaussweiss
But did you ever? In a trainer jet in the trainee seat, or something like that?
你没有这类经历？哪怕坐一回喷气教练机的见习座位或者其他类似的。
Nicelysedated[S]
Nope.
真心没有！
flowofthought
What's the best way to take one of these fighter jets down? Do they have any one major weakness in common? Like the Death Star or something?
揍下来一架飞机的最佳手段是什么？它们的要害相同吗？比如星球大战里的死星，或其他的
Nicelysedated[S]
Watch Iron Eagle.....All you ever needed to know about fighter jets.
去看《铁鹰战士》，那里面有你想了解的各种战机。
flowofthought
Awesome I will. What kind of training did you do before working on each model?
太棒了，我会的。你工作之前都需要进行什么样的培训？每种机型？
Nicelysedated[S]
2 months of Aircraft Fundamentals and 6 months of specific training for F-16's in tech school. Everything else was on the job and various schools throughout my time. Every new air frame was hands on training.
两个月的飞机基本原理学习，以及长达6个月的关于F-16的专项训练。其他方面的知识都是我靠自己的实际工作经验以及在各种各样的学校里面学来的。每种新的机身都得靠在实际的工作中掌握。
flowofthought
Interesting stuff thanks!
有趣的东西，多谢！
Mantan1701
I fucking love you now! Iron Eagle 1 fucking rules! Made me fall in love with the F-16. Fuck that Top Gun shit! DOUG MASTERS AND CHAPPY SINCLAIR RULE!
我爱死你了！《铁鹰战士1》让我疯狂地迷上了F-16！还有天杀的《壮志凌云》！道格·马斯特斯和查普·辛克莱！
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Nicelysedated[S]
Lol thanks. That movie makes me cringe now after working on F-16's. SO many liberties taken with what they can do.
（笑脸），谢谢，那部电影（楼上提到的铁鹰战士）让我有点发怵，他们在干活时竟然那么逍遥自在
SkinThatSmokeWagon
Do F-16's now have inputs for ipods, or do you still have to strap a Walkman to your leg to get in the zone?
那么F16现在有Ipod接入口了吗？还是你需要带个随身听来让自己进入状态？
Nicelysedated[S
You can actually make an input for an iPod, but hooking an iPod up to a 35 Million dollar jet carrying classified information is frowned on. I will say that they DO NOT fire missiles on the ground intentionally, and a side scrolling LED indicator telling you a missile is coming would get you killed.
实际上你可以带一个ipod，但是不会有人建议在造价35000000美元且信息保密的喷气式飞机挂ipod，我敢说他们不会在地面故意发射导弹，但是一个偏转的LED指针会告诉你有一个导弹正在向你飞来并杀了你。（译者：可能接入ipod会使飞机错误报警
[deleted]
Actually, the pilots do indeed have ipod 'Y Cord' for long trans-oceanic flights. It's not official, but they do it.
For obvious reasons they don't use these cables over land, or on combat sorties.
实际上，在远程跨洋航班上飞行员确实有ipod的Y线，这不是官方的，但确实有。
很明显，在陆地上空或格斗架次他们不会使用这些电线
insanegenius
Mach 6? OK! I prefer les chevaliers du ciel.
马赫数6？OK! 我喜欢空中决战。(马赫数6就是6倍音速)
N0V0w3ls
Nice try, Kim Jong-Un.
Edit: to be completely serious, even if he knew this, there'd be no way he could answer without risking jail time.
不错的尝试， 金正恩
编辑：是认真的，即使他知道这一点，他不冒着坐牢的危险就没办法回答
NewQuisito
Nice try, North Korea!
不错的尝试，北朝鲜！
hudsterboy
Can you rap?
你能用rap唱出来？（译注：楼上的回复有点押韵，像rap歌词的风格）
Nicelysedated[S]
In the shower after a night of drinking maybe?
喝了一晚上的酒后，洗澡的时候估计可以（用rap唱出来）
samtheman578
I see you're a little biased towards the F-16, but from an engineer/mechanic's stance, which plane is your favorite and why? I personally love the A-10.
我看你有点偏向于F-16，但从工程师/技师的立场，哪种飞机是你最喜欢的，为什么？我个人喜欢A-10。
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Nicelysedated[S]
That's a tough one. I would still go F-16. Ease of maintenance and it's wide arrange of abilities at a relatively low cost put it out front. The F-22 is a more lethal aircraft but it has a lot of things that make me stop and ask "WTF were they thinking". The A-10 is a close second because of its survivability and firepower.
这是一个艰难的抉择。我还是会去F-16。在一个相对较低的成本来说，它更易于维护并且具备多用途功能。F-22是更致命的飞机，但是它有很多事让我停下来想问“他们究竟在想些什么。”A-10紧随其后，因为它的存活能力和火力。
samtheman578
Could you elaborate a bit on the F-22 part? I really don't know as much about planes as I feel I should, but I've had a strange attraction to that plane as well.
你能详尽地描述一下F-22的部件吗？我真的不了解很多我觉得我应该了解的有关飞机的事。
Nicelysedated[S]
The F-22 was designed to perform first and foremost and to be easily maintained second. There are more then a few parts that are buried in the plane that the engineers figured would never need to be changed. They were very wrong.
F-22的设计主要是执行力，其次是易于维护。他们有很多工程师认为永远不需要改变的部件被飞机掩盖了。他们是错误的
mrsapphire
Are you referring to the difficulty involved in servicing and handling the hazmats which run some of the systems? I had a teacher who flew F-22s who mentioned that they had some very nasty shit in them but would never elaborate and it's next to impossible to find out what that kind of obscure and toxic materials are buried inside of them. All of the crashes resulted in hazmat cleanup and recovery as a #1 priority, i'm sure it's common procedure with all of the planes you work on, but it seems to be more pronounced with the F-22s.
你是指那些用操作系统参与维修和和处理危险物料的艰难吗？我曾有一个操作过F-22的老师提过有一些没有任何详细说明的危险物品就在其中。但是永远都不可能搞清楚存在哪些模糊的，有毒的物质在里面。所有的事故都导致了危险品的清理并且把恢复作为第一要务。我相信这是所有你工作过的飞机都有的程序，但是这个在F-22上更明显。
For those not familiar with the topic there's a great article about them here (and it even explicitly mentions the folks that service them) http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/stealth-pilots-coughing/
对那些不熟悉这个主题的人，这里有关于他们的非常详细的内容，（甚至明确的提到了他们服务的对象）http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/stealth-pilots-coughing/
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Nicelysedated[S]
Every plane is chock full of hazardous chemicals. The F-22 is no worse then any other. The worst is probably the F-16. It has a chemical called hydrazine on it. Real nasty stuff. I was exposed to it a few times (by pilots playing with buttons they shouldn't have) and had to be blood tested every month for a year after exposure.
任何飞机上都存在危险化学物质，相比而言，F-22还不算很糟。最差劲的估计是F-16，那上面竟然有肼这种化学品，这东西实在够呛，我接触过几次（飞行员按错了按钮），结果一年之内，我每个月都要去做血液测试。
Teets
Hydrazine is rocket fuel and carcinogenic. What is this in a fighter for? Ejection seat? Please tell me it is the turbo boosters!
肼是致癌的火箭燃料。把它放在战斗机里作甚？弹射椅？你不会想说用来涡轮增压吧？
Nicelysedated[S]
It powers an emergency generator.
这货是用来提供紧急电力的
Bicycle_fart
Ahh that's why they say never touch the red button, damn'd Hydrazine.
哦，怪不得说不要按红色键，天杀的肼
dog_in_the_vent
You were doing maintenance on the plane while the pilot was in the seat?
飞行员还没离机，你就去做检修？
Rabnudj
Recovering C-5 electrician now working on C-17s here. Working on the aircraft when pilots are in the seats is a pretty common thing actually. Sometimes, its a question, sometimes its a cycle of a circuit breaker and sometimes its telling them the plane is hard broke and they have to tail swap.
原C-5的电力检修工，现在给C-17干活的路过。飞行员在机上的时候搞检修这事很正常。有时只是小问题，有时电路环坏了，有时你得告诉他们飞机问题比较严重，让他们大修.
dog_in_the_vent
Yeah, we commonly have maintenance come on the plane to troubleshoot a problem. But we usually shut down and don't touch anything if they're actually working on it.
没错，我们在机上的时候，经常有检修过来查看，但当他们开始干活的时候，我们通常会关机，不去做任何操作。
Rabnudj
What aircraft do you fly? On cargo jets, depending on the problem, usually the engines are left running. I can tell you, personally, one of the worst feelings is telling the Aircraft Commander that the jet is hard broke and they have to tail swap. It really sucks if its a "must go" mission too.
你到底开过什么飞机？在运输机上，遇到这类事件，通常我们会关了发动机。我明确告诉你，就我个人而言，没有比告诉机长飞机坏了，需要 tail swap 还要糟糕的事情了。这确实很操蛋，如果必须这样做的话。
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ozspook
Somebody has to stand on the brakes while you check the lights are working. :)
Quite a few planes contain Hydrazine, LOX, BCF, Benzene and Hydraulic Fluid
Nasty stuff.., but at least it's not C-Stoff & T-stoff.
一些人必须一边踩煞车一边检查灯是不是在正常工作。（笑）
只有一小部分的飞机包含肼、液态氧、溴氯二氟甲烷（灭火剂）、苯和液压油这些讨人厌的东西。
UhOhOreo2012
Isn't the F-22 also having oxygen issues inside the cockpit?
F-22不是也有驾驶员座舱内氧气（供给）的问题的么？
Boredlittlfucker
I believe that's the f-35's
我认为这是F-35的（问题）。
UhOhOreo2012
Thanks for the correction. I knew I was off on the model! haha
谢谢纠正。我知道我正处于（大脑）关闭模式！哈哈
Penguin-herder
Actually you are correct. The F-22 has issues with the oxygen breathers. IIRC, they had some issues with Freon being pumped into the breather.
事实上你是对的。F-22的氧气呼吸器有问题。如果我没记错，（这呼吸器）存在着氟利昂被吸入呼吸机的问题。
bru_tech
that article you linked is refering to the "Raptor Cough," which is related to oxygen use and the high speeds the machine operates at. doesn't mention hazardous materials though. I linked it to r/respiratorytherapy when the article came out and thought some CPAP (though i would have hoped the US air force would have thought the same) might help
你放的那个链接指的是“猛禽咳嗽”，这个现象与氧气的使用和高速运动时机器的运作有关，和有害物质并没有关系。文章发表的时候我把它链接到“呼吸疗法”这个链接上了，我觉得一些CPAP呼吸机（尽管我希望美国空军和我的想法一样）可以帮得上忙。
LinkFixerBot
/r/respiratorytherapy
呼吸疗法
Tron-Gorf
So it's like a 911 turbo.
所以这就像一个911涡轮一样。
Dosakaru
The CV-22 Osprey is the same way.. I hate it. So many things on this aircraft are just a huge pain in the ass to work on. I wish they would just scrap this program too.
CV-22鱼鹰也是一样的……我讨厌它。在这架飞机上进行的一切努力根本就是在进行一个巨大的麻烦。我希望他们也放弃这个计划。
FordSVT1
The F-22 was designed to perform first and foremost and to be easily maintained second.
Sounds like it was designed by Porsche.
F-22被设计出来就是为了让它成为第一和在最前列的机体，并且能够轻易保持第二。
听起来它（F-22）像是被保时捷公司设计出来的。
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Fynn_the_Finger
As an acquisition professional, I can give you some ideas of what they were thinking:
1.Contractor decided they'd make more money that way.
2.Senior government employee who's not directly working for the contract, but holds influence heaped a pet project into it.
3.Requirements creep.
From an engineer's perspective: 1. It was the most cost efficient/effective way to to it. 2. Because fuck the user, that's why.
作为收购的专业人员，我能够给你一些他们正在想什么的看法：
1.订约人那样的决定使他们可以赚更多的钱。
2.高级政府雇员虽然不直接的为合约做事，但是他们在其中持有的影响力充满了整个项目。
3.要求的蔓延。
从工程师的角度来看：1.这样做是最具成本效益/有效的途径。2.因为去他妈的用户，这就是原因。
Nicelysedated[S]
The money we spend on things in the military is scary. The 30k toilet seat doesn't exist, but there are hundreds of screws, nuts, bolts that are hundreds of dollars on these planes.
我们在军事上花费的钱是可怕的。在这些飞机上30K的马桶虽然不存在，但是有成百上千个螺丝、螺母和螺栓，这些花费成百上千美元。
straighttoplaid
As an engineer, every once and a while you need that $100 bolt. I'm not saying that they aren't used sometimes when they don't need to be but in aerospace sometimes you need a very specific metal in a very specific size to make something work. Usually the problem is performance at temperature, either the normal metal gets too soft, it creeps over time, or it expands too much/too little. The requirement could even be something that has nothing to do with normal operation. There are parts in military and civilian aircraft that have to be literally set on fire for a certain period of time without failing. Normal bolts may work fine for all normal conditions but because of that fire requirement you can't use them.
This forces you to use bolts made of some crazy unobtanium that is an absolute pain to work rather than an off the shelf bolt.
作为一个工程师，每隔一段时间你需要100美元螺栓。我不是说它们不需要的时候就不使用，但在航空航天时，有时你需要特定尺寸的特定金属使一些东西工作。通常的问题是有关温度的性能，无论是普通金属随着时间的推移逐渐膨胀变得太软，还是膨胀的太多/太少。这样的要求甚至是与正常操作无关的一些事情。在特定时期军用和民用飞机上的有关部分必须真正的点火，不能失败。普通情况下普通螺栓可能工作的很好，但是由于点火的要求，你不能使用它们。这迫使你使用由一些疯狂的超导体制作的螺栓，这绝对是比使用现成的螺栓更痛苦。
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Fynn_the_Finger
I work on high end antennas. One day I had the choice between just accepting the contractor's proposal to use 5 $60 washers, or paying them several hundred dollars to put together a justification to use the 5 $60 since it's a cost reimbursable contract and the engineers aren't cheap and they're slow when you ask them to do something they don't want to. Then of course the report has to go through management review, probably at least two layers. Then we apply overhead, cost of money, general and administrative, and fee, and before we know it, my question could cost way more than the washers ever would (and they'd still probably use the washers).
我的工作和高级天线有关。有一次，我有两个选择，是接受承包商的建议使用560的垫圈（这里不知道是多少啊！）美元的垫圈，还是把几百美元放在一起支付给他们。使用5 60美元垫圈的理由是补偿合同和工程师并不便宜，当你要求他们做一些他们不想做的事的时候，他们行动很慢。当然，这报告还必须通过至少两层的管理评审。然后，我们的开销，资金成本，行政费用就会超标，而且，在我们清楚之前，（解决）我的疑问所导致的开销就可能超过垫圈（甚至（到最后）他们可能仍然使用垫圈）。
Nicelysedated[S]
If you want to be rich, make something you can sell the government. I'll leave it at that.
如果你想变富，制造东西卖给政府，等着看吧
notathr0waway1
cost of money
I know what that means but that sounds funny.
我知道什么意思，但是听起来太可笑了
Ozigal
$800 hand soap dispenser. IMO, go toand steal one and tape it inside the lavatory (Heavy guy here).
800美元的洗手液瓶。去偷个胶在厕所吧（沉重的家伙）
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ObservoMatic
Are they going to get rid of the A10? Didn't they try before but the services wanted them and fought to keep them? Love that crazy plane... and I'm a far left wing anti-imperialist.
I'm assuming they want to dump it because the aerospace companies don't make as much money cranking out the same old simple-to-make a10 as they would desgning and building fancypants new junk like the JSF.... I'm very interested in your thoughts on this!
他们准备弃用A10么？他们之前不是试图弃用，但在后勤部门的抗争下保留A10了么？我喜欢那疯狂的飞机……并且，我是极左翼反帝国主义者。
我推测他们想要倾销这款飞机是因为，宇宙航空公司从他们将要设计和建造的如JSF那样的花哨的垃圾货身上赚到的钱，没有老A10这款制造简单的机体赚到的钱多……我对于你在这个问题上的想法非常感兴趣！
Nicelysedated[S]
The JSF is supposed to phase out the A-10. Will it be as able? Guess we will find out.
JSF应该可以淘汰A10。这种事会发生么？我们大概会知道的。
ObservoMatic
Thanks Mr. Sedated,
Since the JSF seems to be having.... shall we say... ahme....problems, is there talk of making more A10s, or extending the lives of the existing ones?
Sedated先生，谢谢你，
自从JSF好像……应该说……恩……出了问题，他们有讨论过制造更多A10或者延长现有飞机的使用年限？
Nicelysedated[S]
Lol. You make it sound like it has an STD. They extended the life of the A-10 already and it will be around for a long while still. There hasn't been one made since 1981 and I doubt they would ever make an older airframe while they are producing new ones.
哈哈哈。听你这么一说好像它（JSF）有性病一样。他们已经延长了A10的使用寿命，并且它仍然会被使用较长时间。自从1981年，就再也没有造过一台了，并且我认为他们正在生产新飞机的同时，是不会制造旧机体的。
ObservoMatic
I like the a10, the boys in the shit like the a10, what is the hold up here!!
Thanks again and good luck twisting those bolts!
我喜欢A10，（后面两短句没懂）
再次谢谢，并且祝你扭螺丝的时候好运！
TheMasque
I imagine all fighter jets to be relatively fragile things flying around in the sky. Could you explain to us exactly how survivable the A-10 is? Could it withstand, say, an RPG?
我觉得所有在天空飞行的战斗机相对来说都是比较脆弱的。你能说明下A10的强度如何吗？比如，A10能经得住RPG的一击吗？
Nicelysedated[S]
They aren't fragile. Pulling 9g's with missiles hanging on the wing is a lot of stress.
他们并不脆弱。最大过载9G，机翼上挂载导弹，这可是要承受很大压力的。
（译注：G就是地球上的重力加速度。战机最大过载9G，意思是这款战机最大能够承受9倍的重力加速度，超过9G，就可能造成飞机解体。）
ObservoMatic
There's a ton of stuff on the web about a10 durability... some crazy pics of planes that limped home that you cannot believe could even fly.
网络上有一大堆关于A10耐久性的信息……有些图片太疯狂，看着（A10）一瘸一拐地返回的样子，你没法相信它还能飞。
freemarket27
Do you work on drone aircraft?
你维护过无人机么？
Nicelysedated[S]
I have not.
没有。
xj13361987
Did the AFSC change over affect you at all? It got me since I am a fighter guy at an AFSOC base. Now I am stuck on RPAs for awhile.
空军系统司令部（AFSC）的改变对你有影响没？自从我成为空军特种作战司令部（AFSOC）基地的一名战士以来，它对我的影响就开始了。我已经在远程遥控飞行系统上耗费了很长一段时间。
Nicelysedated[S]
It did. We are now tagged as fifth gen aircraft only.
它对我有影响。我们现在只被标记为第五代飞行器（维护员）了。
xj13361987
At least your on an air frame you know about. I am tagged as RPAs only but I have not laid a hand on one yet. By the time I get back to the line as a Staff, hopefully a Tech, they will have to learn me on what a screw driver is again.
至少你在机体上，你多少知道一点。我只是被标记为远程遥控飞行系统。但是我现在还没碰过一把呢。当我归队的成为一名员工的时候，最好是技术人员，他们就又不得不让我去教他们什么是螺丝刀了。
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-186104-1-1.html
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