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TOKYO —Japanese voters are divided over Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s goal of revising the post-World War II pacifist constitution to ease limits on the military, although nearly 90% of lower house lawmakers back the change, an opinion poll showed Monday.
东京—周一的一项民意调查显示：尽管众议院接近90%的国会议员支持首相安倍晋三修订二战和平宪法以解除军队的限制，日本选民对此则存在意见分歧。
Abe, who returned to the premiership after his conservative Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) won a huge election victory last month, has made clear he wants to loosen the constitutional limits on the military. The constitution has never been formally altered since it was drafted by U.S. Occupation forces in 1947.
随着自民党在上个月的选举中大获全胜，回归首相宝座的安倍阐述了他想要放宽宪法对自卫队限制的意图。日本现行宪法由美国占领军于1947年起草，至今未被官方改动过。
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The survey by the Asahi newspaper and a University of Tokyo research team showed that 50% of voters were in favor of revising the constitution, up from 41% in 2009 but far below the 89% of members of parliament elected in December’s lower house election who want to alter the charter.
《朝日新闻》与来自东大的研究团队联合进行的这项调查显示，50%的选民赞成修宪，比2009年的41%有所增长；而众议院于12月新选举出的国会议员中，支持修宪的比例则高达89%。
Forty-five percent of voters were in favor of allowing Japan to exercise its right to collective self-defense, or coming to the aid of an ally under attack. That was up from 37% in 2009, but well below the 79% of MPs who back the change in interpretation of the constitution.
选民中支持日本行使集体自卫权，援助受攻击盟友的占45%，比2009年的37%要高，但是远低于国会议员中赞成重新解读宪法的比例，后者高达79%。
Poll questions were mailed to 3,000 voters last month, of whom 1,889 responded. The lawmakers were surveyed before December’s election.
收到民意调查问卷的3000位选民中，有1889人做出了答复。对议员的调查是在12月份选举之前进行的。
Japan has for decades been stretching the limits of the constitution’s pacifist Article Nine, which if strictly interpreted bans even the maintenance of a military. It has dispatched troops for international peace keeping operations and to Iraq on a non-combat reconstruction mission in 2004-2006.
严格意义上，宪法第九条款甚至不允许日本维持一支军队的存在。几十年来，日本一直试图放宽这一条款对自卫队的限制。2004年至2006年期间，日本派遣部队参加了国际维和行动和伊拉克战后重建。
But changes have been politically contentious, while signs Japan is flexing its military muscle have the potential to upset rival China, where memories of Tokyo’s war-time aggression run deep. China and Japan are also now locked in a territorial row.
类似的变更一直存在政治争议。日本正在显示其军事力量，而这样的迹象很可能惹恼中国，毕竟战争期间日本的侵略行径仍然根植于中国人的记忆里。由于领土争端，中日两国的关系也陷入了僵局。
Constitutional revisions require the backing of two-thirds of the lawmakers in both houses of the Diet and a majority of voters in a national referendum.
根据规定，修订宪法必须得到参众两院2/3的国会议员和全民公投中多数选民的支持。
A separate survey by Kyodo news agency released on Sunday showed more than 70% of voters favored revising a law that governs the Self-Defense Forces, as Japan’s military is known, to ease restrictions on the military’s activities to rescue Japanese at risk from overseas conflicts.
日本共同社于周日发布了其独立进行的一项调查。数据显示，超过70%的选民赞成修改自卫队法，从而解除自卫队于海外冲突中解救日本公民时受到的限制。
The LDP is calling for changes to the law to ease limits on the military’s use of weapons and other restrictions in such cases following this month’s hostage crisis in Algeria, in which 10 Japanese were among 38 hostages killed.
本月在阿尔及利亚发生的人质危机中，被杀的38名人质里有10位是日本公民。悲剧发生之后，自民党即呼吁修改法律以放宽对自卫队武器使用和其他方面的限制，以应对这样的突发事件。
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Geoff GillespieJAN. 29, 2013 - 07:41AM JST 2
Can we please get over this idea of a 'pacifist' constitution? Pacifism means NEVER fighting back, even to defend yourself. This isn't what Japan means when it talks about article 9.
谁再提和平宪法我跟谁急！和平主义意味着即便自卫时也不能反击。这绝非宪法第九条款的本意。
TamaramaJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:26AM JST 3
This issue should be considered primarily in how it will effect Japan's relationships with China and North Korea - their two most belligerent and challenging neighbors. Will it antagonise them, or make them a little more circumspect about Japan?
With continued US support, I really don't see the need to change things. However, at the end of the day, a country has the right to a military, and that part of the world is vastly different to the way it was in 1947.
得首要考虑修宪会对中日关系和日朝关系造成什么影响—— 这俩邻居很好战，而且都不是省油的灯。日本修宪是会让他们暴走，还是会让他们收敛点？
既然美国爸爸会一直挺日本，我真心觉得没必要修宪。但是呢，考虑到所有情况，拥有正式的军队应该是一个国家的权利，毕竟跟1947年相比，世界已经大变样了。
VirtuosoJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:37AM JST -1
I can't think of a single Japanese legislator (or anyone else in this country) I would trust for a second to come up with constitutional revisions that somehow didn't accord more money or power (or both) for himself or his family.
提倡修宪的日本政客一个都不值得信任，他们这么做无非是为了方便自己和家族敛财。
OssanAmericaJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:59AM JST 2
It is time for Japan to revise it's constitution. China's behavior towards it's Asian neighbors and challenge to the United States makes this imperative for Japan's survival in the future.
是时候修宪啦！中国不但对她的亚洲邻国凶巴巴，还要挑战美国爸爸！不修宪将来就没有日本啦！
Kazuaki ShimazakiJAN. 29, 2013 - 10:28AM JST 0
@Tamarama The correct answer is that it will do both. My read is that the latter is more important.
@Tamarama 正确的答案是中国和朝鲜会暴跳如雷，同时收敛他们的行为。我个人认为，既然会让他们收敛些，修宪是值得的。
BertieWoosterJAN. 29, 2013 - 01:04PM JST -5
Geoff,Can we please get over this idea of a 'pacifist' constitution? Pacifism means NEVER fighting back, even to defend yourself. This isn't what Japan means when it talks about article 9.
I think what they mean is "pacifist" in comparison with certain other countries who shall be nameless, who open fire at the slightest opportunity and who are famous for running covert operations such as training up rebels in Afghanistan, Mali, etc., that backfire on them.
“谁再提和平宪法我跟谁急！和平主义意味着即便自卫时也不能反击。这绝非宪法第九条款的本意。”
我觉得“和平主义”是相对于某些不能说名字的特定国家而言的，某大国穷兵黩武，一有机会就要打仗，没有机会也要创造机会；全世界都知道它偷偷摸摸在阿富汗，马里等地训练叛军结果被叛军反咬一口的光荣事迹。（译者注：此日本人是在骂美国，这不科学啊）
tmarieJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:05PM JST 3
So if they change this does that mean the whole "Japan is a peaceful country" crap, we all have heard more times than I care to count, will stop?
修宪意味着以后我们不会再听到“日本是爱好和平的国度”这种重复了一百万遍的屁话了，对吧？（译者注：谁说日本人民是爱好和平的来着？打脸啪啪的）
YuriOtaniJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:40PM JST 2
Am against removing article #9 as it puts the stability of the region in peril. Japan must NEVER again be aggressive towards another country. Defensive actions only, sorry America we are not your puppets and you asked for it. Fight your own wars really wish we were neutral in the world.
我反对移除宪法第九条，这将会使整个东北亚陷入动荡。日本永远不该侵略其他国家。防御法案就够了，山姆大叔，你要日本做你的傀儡，抱歉，办不到。要打仗，你TM自个儿打去吧。我希望日本永远保持中立。
Surf O'HolicJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:50PM JST 0
" The constitution has never been formally altered since it was drafted by U.S. Occupation forces in 1947."
Due for a change as the times and situation in Asia have changed.
The Swiss are neutral, but secure in their non-interventionist preparedness.
“日本现行宪法由美国占领军于1947年起草，至今未被官方改动过。”
星移斗转，时过境迁，该修宪了。
瑞士是中立国，可他们的不干涉政策和战备保证了国家安全。
tokyo-starJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:13PM JST 0
Changing the constitution won't mean a murderous rampage imperial like 70 years ago...just means Japan will be able to defend itself in the event that something happens without asking big brother US. Can you really see all the dudes with pointy shoes spending hours doing their hair in the mirror, going on a barbaric rampage through China and SE Asia today?
修宪并不意味着70年前的大屠杀会重演...只不过让日本获得在没有美国老大的帮助能够独立防卫自己的能力。你能想象这帮做头发要花几个小时穿着奇怪的鞋子的死宅在中国和东南亚大开杀戒的样子？
tmarieJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:22PM JST 0
**Japan must NEVER again be aggressive towards another country. **
So you disagree with Ishihara and Abe's sabre rattling then?
“日本永远也不该侵略其他国家”
这么说你强烈反对石原和安倍啰？
NessieJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:48PM JST 1
The LDP is calling for changes to the law to ease limits on the military’s use of weapons and other restrictions in such cases following this month’s hostage crisis in Algeria, in which 10 Japanese were among 38 hostages killed.
As if such easing would have made one iota of difference in Algeria? Ease the constitution, by all means, but do it for the right reasons.
修宪了就不会有这种事发生？想要修宪您请自便，麻烦找个像样的借口！
Kent McgrawJAN. 29, 2013 - 04:51PM JST
So many things to comment on. First, do not think that the USA will always be there, the present administration is known for deserting his allies in favor of his enemies. If John Kerry becomes Secretary of State, things will get worse as he is pro-China and has much invested in China. It is wise for Japan to think about self defense. The only reason that Switzerland can remain neutral and non-interventionists is that every man there is given a gun and required to spend 2 years in the military. When they are sent home from the military they take their gun and are ready if anyone tries to invade. That is why Hitler did not invade. The times have changed and Asia has changed. With the US military bases leaving and they are planning on closing more bases, it is the wise thing to do to become more self reliant for defense purposes. Nessie, nothing would have helped in Algeria they are radical muslims and they do not live by international law. It did not help the American Embassy in Benghazi.
我想说的太多啦。首先，别指望美国永远会支持日本，美国当局两面三刀抛弃盟友是出了名的。如果约翰.克里当上国务卿就坏事了，他亲中而且在中国投资了很多钱。日本考虑自卫是明智的。瑞士能维持中立和不干涉政策是因为它人手一支枪而且全民服兵役两年。他们退役把枪带回家，随时能跟入侵者战斗。这就是希特勒没敢打瑞士的原因。时过境迁，亚洲形势已然大变。美国正在搬走他的军事基地，并且计划关闭更多的基地。这时候考虑强化自我防卫能力是明智的选择。阿尔及利亚的那帮歹徒是激进的MSL，视国际法如手纸。对于美国在班加西使馆来说，国际法没帮上一点忙。
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TOKYO —Japanese voters are divided over Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s goal of revising the post-World War II pacifist constitution to ease limits on the military, although nearly 90% of lower house lawmakers back the change, an opinion poll showed Monday.
东京—周一的一项民意调查显示：尽管众议院接近90%的国会议员支持首相安倍晋三修订二战和平宪法以解除军队的限制，日本选民对此则存在意见分歧。
Abe, who returned to the premiership after his conservative Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) won a huge election victory last month, has made clear he wants to loosen the constitutional limits on the military. The constitution has never been formally altered since it was drafted by U.S. Occupation forces in 1947.
随着自民党在上个月的选举中大获全胜，回归首相宝座的安倍阐述了他想要放宽宪法对自卫队限制的意图。日本现行宪法由美国占领军于1947年起草，至今未被官方改动过。
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The survey by the Asahi newspaper and a University of Tokyo research team showed that 50% of voters were in favor of revising the constitution, up from 41% in 2009 but far below the 89% of members of parliament elected in December’s lower house election who want to alter the charter.
《朝日新闻》与来自东大的研究团队联合进行的这项调查显示，50%的选民赞成修宪，比2009年的41%有所增长；而众议院于12月新选举出的国会议员中，支持修宪的比例则高达89%。
Forty-five percent of voters were in favor of allowing Japan to exercise its right to collective self-defense, or coming to the aid of an ally under attack. That was up from 37% in 2009, but well below the 79% of MPs who back the change in interpretation of the constitution.
选民中支持日本行使集体自卫权，援助受攻击盟友的占45%，比2009年的37%要高，但是远低于国会议员中赞成重新解读宪法的比例，后者高达79%。
Poll questions were mailed to 3,000 voters last month, of whom 1,889 responded. The lawmakers were surveyed before December’s election.
收到民意调查问卷的3000位选民中，有1889人做出了答复。对议员的调查是在12月份选举之前进行的。
Japan has for decades been stretching the limits of the constitution’s pacifist Article Nine, which if strictly interpreted bans even the maintenance of a military. It has dispatched troops for international peace keeping operations and to Iraq on a non-combat reconstruction mission in 2004-2006.
严格意义上，宪法第九条款甚至不允许日本维持一支军队的存在。几十年来，日本一直试图放宽这一条款对自卫队的限制。2004年至2006年期间，日本派遣部队参加了国际维和行动和伊拉克战后重建。
But changes have been politically contentious, while signs Japan is flexing its military muscle have the potential to upset rival China, where memories of Tokyo’s war-time aggression run deep. China and Japan are also now locked in a territorial row.
类似的变更一直存在政治争议。日本正在显示其军事力量，而这样的迹象很可能惹恼中国，毕竟战争期间日本的侵略行径仍然根植于中国人的记忆里。由于领土争端，中日两国的关系也陷入了僵局。
Constitutional revisions require the backing of two-thirds of the lawmakers in both houses of the Diet and a majority of voters in a national referendum.
根据规定，修订宪法必须得到参众两院2/3的国会议员和全民公投中多数选民的支持。
A separate survey by Kyodo news agency released on Sunday showed more than 70% of voters favored revising a law that governs the Self-Defense Forces, as Japan’s military is known, to ease restrictions on the military’s activities to rescue Japanese at risk from overseas conflicts.
日本共同社于周日发布了其独立进行的一项调查。数据显示，超过70%的选民赞成修改自卫队法，从而解除自卫队于海外冲突中解救日本公民时受到的限制。
The LDP is calling for changes to the law to ease limits on the military’s use of weapons and other restrictions in such cases following this month’s hostage crisis in Algeria, in which 10 Japanese were among 38 hostages killed.
本月在阿尔及利亚发生的人质危机中，被杀的38名人质里有10位是日本公民。悲剧发生之后，自民党即呼吁修改法律以放宽对自卫队武器使用和其他方面的限制，以应对这样的突发事件。
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Geoff GillespieJAN. 29, 2013 - 07:41AM JST 2
Can we please get over this idea of a 'pacifist' constitution? Pacifism means NEVER fighting back, even to defend yourself. This isn't what Japan means when it talks about article 9.
谁再提和平宪法我跟谁急！和平主义意味着即便自卫时也不能反击。这绝非宪法第九条款的本意。
TamaramaJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:26AM JST 3
This issue should be considered primarily in how it will effect Japan's relationships with China and North Korea - their two most belligerent and challenging neighbors. Will it antagonise them, or make them a little more circumspect about Japan?
With continued US support, I really don't see the need to change things. However, at the end of the day, a country has the right to a military, and that part of the world is vastly different to the way it was in 1947.
得首要考虑修宪会对中日关系和日朝关系造成什么影响—— 这俩邻居很好战，而且都不是省油的灯。日本修宪是会让他们暴走，还是会让他们收敛点？
既然美国爸爸会一直挺日本，我真心觉得没必要修宪。但是呢，考虑到所有情况，拥有正式的军队应该是一个国家的权利，毕竟跟1947年相比，世界已经大变样了。
VirtuosoJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:37AM JST -1
I can't think of a single Japanese legislator (or anyone else in this country) I would trust for a second to come up with constitutional revisions that somehow didn't accord more money or power (or both) for himself or his family.
提倡修宪的日本政客一个都不值得信任，他们这么做无非是为了方便自己和家族敛财。
OssanAmericaJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:59AM JST 2
It is time for Japan to revise it's constitution. China's behavior towards it's Asian neighbors and challenge to the United States makes this imperative for Japan's survival in the future.
是时候修宪啦！中国不但对她的亚洲邻国凶巴巴，还要挑战美国爸爸！不修宪将来就没有日本啦！
Kazuaki ShimazakiJAN. 29, 2013 - 10:28AM JST 0
@Tamarama The correct answer is that it will do both. My read is that the latter is more important.
@Tamarama 正确的答案是中国和朝鲜会暴跳如雷，同时收敛他们的行为。我个人认为，既然会让他们收敛些，修宪是值得的。
BertieWoosterJAN. 29, 2013 - 01:04PM JST -5
Geoff,Can we please get over this idea of a 'pacifist' constitution? Pacifism means NEVER fighting back, even to defend yourself. This isn't what Japan means when it talks about article 9.
I think what they mean is "pacifist" in comparison with certain other countries who shall be nameless, who open fire at the slightest opportunity and who are famous for running covert operations such as training up rebels in Afghanistan, Mali, etc., that backfire on them.
“谁再提和平宪法我跟谁急！和平主义意味着即便自卫时也不能反击。这绝非宪法第九条款的本意。”
我觉得“和平主义”是相对于某些不能说名字的特定国家而言的，某大国穷兵黩武，一有机会就要打仗，没有机会也要创造机会；全世界都知道它偷偷摸摸在阿富汗，马里等地训练叛军结果被叛军反咬一口的光荣事迹。（译者注：此日本人是在骂美国，这不科学啊）
tmarieJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:05PM JST 3
So if they change this does that mean the whole "Japan is a peaceful country" crap, we all have heard more times than I care to count, will stop?
修宪意味着以后我们不会再听到“日本是爱好和平的国度”这种重复了一百万遍的屁话了，对吧？（译者注：谁说日本人民是爱好和平的来着？打脸啪啪的）
YuriOtaniJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:40PM JST 2
Am against removing article #9 as it puts the stability of the region in peril. Japan must NEVER again be aggressive towards another country. Defensive actions only, sorry America we are not your puppets and you asked for it. Fight your own wars really wish we were neutral in the world.
我反对移除宪法第九条，这将会使整个东北亚陷入动荡。日本永远不该侵略其他国家。防御法案就够了，山姆大叔，你要日本做你的傀儡，抱歉，办不到。要打仗，你TM自个儿打去吧。我希望日本永远保持中立。
Surf O'HolicJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:50PM JST 0
" The constitution has never been formally altered since it was drafted by U.S. Occupation forces in 1947."
Due for a change as the times and situation in Asia have changed.
The Swiss are neutral, but secure in their non-interventionist preparedness.
“日本现行宪法由美国占领军于1947年起草，至今未被官方改动过。”
星移斗转，时过境迁，该修宪了。
瑞士是中立国，可他们的不干涉政策和战备保证了国家安全。
tokyo-starJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:13PM JST 0
Changing the constitution won't mean a murderous rampage imperial like 70 years ago...just means Japan will be able to defend itself in the event that something happens without asking big brother US. Can you really see all the dudes with pointy shoes spending hours doing their hair in the mirror, going on a barbaric rampage through China and SE Asia today?
修宪并不意味着70年前的大屠杀会重演...只不过让日本获得在没有美国老大的帮助能够独立防卫自己的能力。你能想象这帮做头发要花几个小时穿着奇怪的鞋子的死宅在中国和东南亚大开杀戒的样子？
tmarieJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:22PM JST 0
**Japan must NEVER again be aggressive towards another country. **
So you disagree with Ishihara and Abe's sabre rattling then?
“日本永远也不该侵略其他国家”
这么说你强烈反对石原和安倍啰？
NessieJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:48PM JST 1
The LDP is calling for changes to the law to ease limits on the military’s use of weapons and other restrictions in such cases following this month’s hostage crisis in Algeria, in which 10 Japanese were among 38 hostages killed.
As if such easing would have made one iota of difference in Algeria? Ease the constitution, by all means, but do it for the right reasons.
修宪了就不会有这种事发生？想要修宪您请自便，麻烦找个像样的借口！
Kent McgrawJAN. 29, 2013 - 04:51PM JST
So many things to comment on. First, do not think that the USA will always be there, the present administration is known for deserting his allies in favor of his enemies. If John Kerry becomes Secretary of State, things will get worse as he is pro-China and has much invested in China. It is wise for Japan to think about self defense. The only reason that Switzerland can remain neutral and non-interventionists is that every man there is given a gun and required to spend 2 years in the military. When they are sent home from the military they take their gun and are ready if anyone tries to invade. That is why Hitler did not invade. The times have changed and Asia has changed. With the US military bases leaving and they are planning on closing more bases, it is the wise thing to do to become more self reliant for defense purposes. Nessie, nothing would have helped in Algeria they are radical muslims and they do not live by international law. It did not help the American Embassy in Benghazi.
我想说的太多啦。首先，别指望美国永远会支持日本，美国当局两面三刀抛弃盟友是出了名的。如果约翰.克里当上国务卿就坏事了，他亲中而且在中国投资了很多钱。日本考虑自卫是明智的。瑞士能维持中立和不干涉政策是因为它人手一支枪而且全民服兵役两年。他们退役把枪带回家，随时能跟入侵者战斗。这就是希特勒没敢打瑞士的原因。时过境迁，亚洲形势已然大变。美国正在搬走他的军事基地，并且计划关闭更多的基地。这时候考虑强化自我防卫能力是明智的选择。阿尔及利亚的那帮歹徒是激进的MSL，视国际法如手纸。对于美国在班加西使馆来说，国际法没帮上一点忙。
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钓鱼岛国有化，怎么看都透着邪乎，修宪也许是其最终目的吧
TOKYO —Japanese voters are divided over Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s goal of revising the post-World War II pacifist constitution to ease limits on the military, although nearly 90% of lower house lawmakers back the change, an opinion poll showed Monday.
东京—周一的一项民意调查显示：尽管众议院接近90%的国会议员支持首相安倍晋三修订二战和平宪法以解除军队的限制，日本选民对此则存在意见分歧。
Abe, who returned to the premiership after his conservative Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) won a huge election victory last month, has made clear he wants to loosen the constitutional limits on the military. The constitution has never been formally altered since it was drafted by U.S. Occupation forces in 1947.
随着自民党在上个月的选举中大获全胜，回归首相宝座的安倍阐述了他想要放宽宪法对自卫队限制的意图。日本现行宪法由美国占领军于1947年起草，至今未被官方改动过。
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The survey by the Asahi newspaper and a University of Tokyo research team showed that 50% of voters were in favor of revising the constitution, up from 41% in 2009 but far below the 89% of members of parliament elected in December’s lower house election who want to alter the charter.
《朝日新闻》与来自东大的研究团队联合进行的这项调查显示，50%的选民赞成修宪，比2009年的41%有所增长；而众议院于12月新选举出的国会议员中，支持修宪的比例则高达89%。
Forty-five percent of voters were in favor of allowing Japan to exercise its right to collective self-defense, or coming to the aid of an ally under attack. That was up from 37% in 2009, but well below the 79% of MPs who back the change in interpretation of the constitution.
选民中支持日本行使集体自卫权，援助受攻击盟友的占45%，比2009年的37%要高，但是远低于国会议员中赞成重新解读宪法的比例，后者高达79%。
Poll questions were mailed to 3,000 voters last month, of whom 1,889 responded. The lawmakers were surveyed before December’s election.
收到民意调查问卷的3000位选民中，有1889人做出了答复。对议员的调查是在12月份选举之前进行的。
Japan has for decades been stretching the limits of the constitution’s pacifist Article Nine, which if strictly interpreted bans even the maintenance of a military. It has dispatched troops for international peace keeping operations and to Iraq on a non-combat reconstruction mission in 2004-2006.
严格意义上，宪法第九条款甚至不允许日本维持一支军队的存在。几十年来，日本一直试图放宽这一条款对自卫队的限制。2004年至2006年期间，日本派遣部队参加了国际维和行动和伊拉克战后重建。
But changes have been politically contentious, while signs Japan is flexing its military muscle have the potential to upset rival China, where memories of Tokyo’s war-time aggression run deep. China and Japan are also now locked in a territorial row.
类似的变更一直存在政治争议。日本正在显示其军事力量，而这样的迹象很可能惹恼中国，毕竟战争期间日本的侵略行径仍然根植于中国人的记忆里。由于领土争端，中日两国的关系也陷入了僵局。
Constitutional revisions require the backing of two-thirds of the lawmakers in both houses of the Diet and a majority of voters in a national referendum.
根据规定，修订宪法必须得到参众两院2/3的国会议员和全民公投中多数选民的支持。
A separate survey by Kyodo news agency released on Sunday showed more than 70% of voters favored revising a law that governs the Self-Defense Forces, as Japan’s military is known, to ease restrictions on the military’s activities to rescue Japanese at risk from overseas conflicts.
日本共同社于周日发布了其独立进行的一项调查。数据显示，超过70%的选民赞成修改自卫队法，从而解除自卫队于海外冲突中解救日本公民时受到的限制。
The LDP is calling for changes to the law to ease limits on the military’s use of weapons and other restrictions in such cases following this month’s hostage crisis in Algeria, in which 10 Japanese were among 38 hostages killed.
本月在阿尔及利亚发生的人质危机中，被杀的38名人质里有10位是日本公民。悲剧发生之后，自民党即呼吁修改法律以放宽对自卫队武器使用和其他方面的限制，以应对这样的突发事件。
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Geoff GillespieJAN. 29, 2013 - 07:41AM JST 2
Can we please get over this idea of a 'pacifist' constitution? Pacifism means NEVER fighting back, even to defend yourself. This isn't what Japan means when it talks about article 9.
谁再提和平宪法我跟谁急！和平主义意味着即便自卫时也不能反击。这绝非宪法第九条款的本意。
TamaramaJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:26AM JST 3
This issue should be considered primarily in how it will effect Japan's relationships with China and North Korea - their two most belligerent and challenging neighbors. Will it antagonise them, or make them a little more circumspect about Japan?
With continued US support, I really don't see the need to change things. However, at the end of the day, a country has the right to a military, and that part of the world is vastly different to the way it was in 1947.
得首要考虑修宪会对中日关系和日朝关系造成什么影响—— 这俩邻居很好战，而且都不是省油的灯。日本修宪是会让他们暴走，还是会让他们收敛点？
既然美国爸爸会一直挺日本，我真心觉得没必要修宪。但是呢，考虑到所有情况，拥有正式的军队应该是一个国家的权利，毕竟跟1947年相比，世界已经大变样了。
VirtuosoJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:37AM JST -1
I can't think of a single Japanese legislator (or anyone else in this country) I would trust for a second to come up with constitutional revisions that somehow didn't accord more money or power (or both) for himself or his family.
提倡修宪的日本政客一个都不值得信任，他们这么做无非是为了方便自己和家族敛财。
OssanAmericaJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:59AM JST 2
It is time for Japan to revise it's constitution. China's behavior towards it's Asian neighbors and challenge to the United States makes this imperative for Japan's survival in the future.
是时候修宪啦！中国不但对她的亚洲邻国凶巴巴，还要挑战美国爸爸！不修宪将来就没有日本啦！
Kazuaki ShimazakiJAN. 29, 2013 - 10:28AM JST 0
@Tamarama The correct answer is that it will do both. My read is that the latter is more important.
@Tamarama 正确的答案是中国和朝鲜会暴跳如雷，同时收敛他们的行为。我个人认为，既然会让他们收敛些，修宪是值得的。
BertieWoosterJAN. 29, 2013 - 01:04PM JST -5
Geoff,Can we please get over this idea of a 'pacifist' constitution? Pacifism means NEVER fighting back, even to defend yourself. This isn't what Japan means when it talks about article 9.
I think what they mean is "pacifist" in comparison with certain other countries who shall be nameless, who open fire at the slightest opportunity and who are famous for running covert operations such as training up rebels in Afghanistan, Mali, etc., that backfire on them.
“谁再提和平宪法我跟谁急！和平主义意味着即便自卫时也不能反击。这绝非宪法第九条款的本意。”
我觉得“和平主义”是相对于某些不能说名字的特定国家而言的，某大国穷兵黩武，一有机会就要打仗，没有机会也要创造机会；全世界都知道它偷偷摸摸在阿富汗，马里等地训练叛军结果被叛军反咬一口的光荣事迹。（译者注：此日本人是在骂美国，这不科学啊）
tmarieJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:05PM JST 3
So if they change this does that mean the whole "Japan is a peaceful country" crap, we all have heard more times than I care to count, will stop?
修宪意味着以后我们不会再听到“日本是爱好和平的国度”这种重复了一百万遍的屁话了，对吧？（译者注：谁说日本人民是爱好和平的来着？打脸啪啪的）
YuriOtaniJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:40PM JST 2
Am against removing article #9 as it puts the stability of the region in peril. Japan must NEVER again be aggressive towards another country. Defensive actions only, sorry America we are not your puppets and you asked for it. Fight your own wars really wish we were neutral in the world.
我反对移除宪法第九条，这将会使整个东北亚陷入动荡。日本永远不该侵略其他国家。防御法案就够了，山姆大叔，你要日本做你的傀儡，抱歉，办不到。要打仗，你TM自个儿打去吧。我希望日本永远保持中立。
Surf O'HolicJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:50PM JST 0
" The constitution has never been formally altered since it was drafted by U.S. Occupation forces in 1947."
Due for a change as the times and situation in Asia have changed.
The Swiss are neutral, but secure in their non-interventionist preparedness.
“日本现行宪法由美国占领军于1947年起草，至今未被官方改动过。”
星移斗转，时过境迁，该修宪了。
瑞士是中立国，可他们的不干涉政策和战备保证了国家安全。
tokyo-starJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:13PM JST 0
Changing the constitution won't mean a murderous rampage imperial like 70 years ago...just means Japan will be able to defend itself in the event that something happens without asking big brother US. Can you really see all the dudes with pointy shoes spending hours doing their hair in the mirror, going on a barbaric rampage through China and SE Asia today?
修宪并不意味着70年前的大屠杀会重演...只不过让日本获得在没有美国老大的帮助能够独立防卫自己的能力。你能想象这帮做头发要花几个小时穿着奇怪的鞋子的死宅在中国和东南亚大开杀戒的样子？
tmarieJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:22PM JST 0
**Japan must NEVER again be aggressive towards another country. **
So you disagree with Ishihara and Abe's sabre rattling then?
“日本永远也不该侵略其他国家”
这么说你强烈反对石原和安倍啰？
NessieJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:48PM JST 1
The LDP is calling for changes to the law to ease limits on the military’s use of weapons and other restrictions in such cases following this month’s hostage crisis in Algeria, in which 10 Japanese were among 38 hostages killed.
As if such easing would have made one iota of difference in Algeria? Ease the constitution, by all means, but do it for the right reasons.
修宪了就不会有这种事发生？想要修宪您请自便，麻烦找个像样的借口！
Kent McgrawJAN. 29, 2013 - 04:51PM JST
So many things to comment on. First, do not think that the USA will always be there, the present administration is known for deserting his allies in favor of his enemies. If John Kerry becomes Secretary of State, things will get worse as he is pro-China and has much invested in China. It is wise for Japan to think about self defense. The only reason that Switzerland can remain neutral and non-interventionists is that every man there is given a gun and required to spend 2 years in the military. When they are sent home from the military they take their gun and are ready if anyone tries to invade. That is why Hitler did not invade. The times have changed and Asia has changed. With the US military bases leaving and they are planning on closing more bases, it is the wise thing to do to become more self reliant for defense purposes. Nessie, nothing would have helped in Algeria they are radical muslims and they do not live by international law. It did not help the American Embassy in Benghazi.
我想说的太多啦。首先，别指望美国永远会支持日本，美国当局两面三刀抛弃盟友是出了名的。如果约翰.克里当上国务卿就坏事了，他亲中而且在中国投资了很多钱。日本考虑自卫是明智的。瑞士能维持中立和不干涉政策是因为它人手一支枪而且全民服兵役两年。他们退役把枪带回家，随时能跟入侵者战斗。这就是希特勒没敢打瑞士的原因。时过境迁，亚洲形势已然大变。美国正在搬走他的军事基地，并且计划关闭更多的基地。这时候考虑强化自我防卫能力是明智的选择。阿尔及利亚的那帮歹徒是激进的MSL，视国际法如手纸。对于美国在班加西使馆来说，国际法没帮上一点忙。
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TOKYO —Japanese voters are divided over Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s goal of revising the post-World War II pacifist constitution to ease limits on the military, although nearly 90% of lower house lawmakers back the change, an opinion poll showed Monday.
东京—周一的一项民意调查显示：尽管众议院接近90%的国会议员支持首相安倍晋三修订二战和平宪法以解除军队的限制，日本选民对此则存在意见分歧。
Abe, who returned to the premiership after his conservative Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) won a huge election victory last month, has made clear he wants to loosen the constitutional limits on the military. The constitution has never been formally altered since it was drafted by U.S. Occupation forces in 1947.
随着自民党在上个月的选举中大获全胜，回归首相宝座的安倍阐述了他想要放宽宪法对自卫队限制的意图。日本现行宪法由美国占领军于1947年起草，至今未被官方改动过。
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The survey by the Asahi newspaper and a University of Tokyo research team showed that 50% of voters were in favor of revising the constitution, up from 41% in 2009 but far below the 89% of members of parliament elected in December’s lower house election who want to alter the charter.
《朝日新闻》与来自东大的研究团队联合进行的这项调查显示，50%的选民赞成修宪，比2009年的41%有所增长；而众议院于12月新选举出的国会议员中，支持修宪的比例则高达89%。
Forty-five percent of voters were in favor of allowing Japan to exercise its right to collective self-defense, or coming to the aid of an ally under attack. That was up from 37% in 2009, but well below the 79% of MPs who back the change in interpretation of the constitution.
选民中支持日本行使集体自卫权，援助受攻击盟友的占45%，比2009年的37%要高，但是远低于国会议员中赞成重新解读宪法的比例，后者高达79%。
Poll questions were mailed to 3,000 voters last month, of whom 1,889 responded. The lawmakers were surveyed before December’s election.
收到民意调查问卷的3000位选民中，有1889人做出了答复。对议员的调查是在12月份选举之前进行的。
Japan has for decades been stretching the limits of the constitution’s pacifist Article Nine, which if strictly interpreted bans even the maintenance of a military. It has dispatched troops for international peace keeping operations and to Iraq on a non-combat reconstruction mission in 2004-2006.
严格意义上，宪法第九条款甚至不允许日本维持一支军队的存在。几十年来，日本一直试图放宽这一条款对自卫队的限制。2004年至2006年期间，日本派遣部队参加了国际维和行动和伊拉克战后重建。
But changes have been politically contentious, while signs Japan is flexing its military muscle have the potential to upset rival China, where memories of Tokyo’s war-time aggression run deep. China and Japan are also now locked in a territorial row.
类似的变更一直存在政治争议。日本正在显示其军事力量，而这样的迹象很可能惹恼中国，毕竟战争期间日本的侵略行径仍然根植于中国人的记忆里。由于领土争端，中日两国的关系也陷入了僵局。
Constitutional revisions require the backing of two-thirds of the lawmakers in both houses of the Diet and a majority of voters in a national referendum.
根据规定，修订宪法必须得到参众两院2/3的国会议员和全民公投中多数选民的支持。
A separate survey by Kyodo news agency released on Sunday showed more than 70% of voters favored revising a law that governs the Self-Defense Forces, as Japan’s military is known, to ease restrictions on the military’s activities to rescue Japanese at risk from overseas conflicts.
日本共同社于周日发布了其独立进行的一项调查。数据显示，超过70%的选民赞成修改自卫队法，从而解除自卫队于海外冲突中解救日本公民时受到的限制。
The LDP is calling for changes to the law to ease limits on the military’s use of weapons and other restrictions in such cases following this month’s hostage crisis in Algeria, in which 10 Japanese were among 38 hostages killed.
本月在阿尔及利亚发生的人质危机中，被杀的38名人质里有10位是日本公民。悲剧发生之后，自民党即呼吁修改法律以放宽对自卫队武器使用和其他方面的限制，以应对这样的突发事件。
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Geoff GillespieJAN. 29, 2013 - 07:41AM JST 2
Can we please get over this idea of a 'pacifist' constitution? Pacifism means NEVER fighting back, even to defend yourself. This isn't what Japan means when it talks about article 9.
谁再提和平宪法我跟谁急！和平主义意味着即便自卫时也不能反击。这绝非宪法第九条款的本意。
TamaramaJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:26AM JST 3
This issue should be considered primarily in how it will effect Japan's relationships with China and North Korea - their two most belligerent and challenging neighbors. Will it antagonise them, or make them a little more circumspect about Japan?
With continued US support, I really don't see the need to change things. However, at the end of the day, a country has the right to a military, and that part of the world is vastly different to the way it was in 1947.
得首要考虑修宪会对中日关系和日朝关系造成什么影响—— 这俩邻居很好战，而且都不是省油的灯。日本修宪是会让他们暴走，还是会让他们收敛点？
既然美国爸爸会一直挺日本，我真心觉得没必要修宪。但是呢，考虑到所有情况，拥有正式的军队应该是一个国家的权利，毕竟跟1947年相比，世界已经大变样了。
VirtuosoJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:37AM JST -1
I can't think of a single Japanese legislator (or anyone else in this country) I would trust for a second to come up with constitutional revisions that somehow didn't accord more money or power (or both) for himself or his family.
提倡修宪的日本政客一个都不值得信任，他们这么做无非是为了方便自己和家族敛财。
OssanAmericaJAN. 29, 2013 - 08:59AM JST 2
It is time for Japan to revise it's constitution. China's behavior towards it's Asian neighbors and challenge to the United States makes this imperative for Japan's survival in the future.
是时候修宪啦！中国不但对她的亚洲邻国凶巴巴，还要挑战美国爸爸！不修宪将来就没有日本啦！
Kazuaki ShimazakiJAN. 29, 2013 - 10:28AM JST 0
@Tamarama The correct answer is that it will do both. My read is that the latter is more important.
@Tamarama 正确的答案是中国和朝鲜会暴跳如雷，同时收敛他们的行为。我个人认为，既然会让他们收敛些，修宪是值得的。
BertieWoosterJAN. 29, 2013 - 01:04PM JST -5
Geoff,Can we please get over this idea of a 'pacifist' constitution? Pacifism means NEVER fighting back, even to defend yourself. This isn't what Japan means when it talks about article 9.
I think what they mean is "pacifist" in comparison with certain other countries who shall be nameless, who open fire at the slightest opportunity and who are famous for running covert operations such as training up rebels in Afghanistan, Mali, etc., that backfire on them.
“谁再提和平宪法我跟谁急！和平主义意味着即便自卫时也不能反击。这绝非宪法第九条款的本意。”
我觉得“和平主义”是相对于某些不能说名字的特定国家而言的，某大国穷兵黩武，一有机会就要打仗，没有机会也要创造机会；全世界都知道它偷偷摸摸在阿富汗，马里等地训练叛军结果被叛军反咬一口的光荣事迹。（译者注：此日本人是在骂美国，这不科学啊）
tmarieJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:05PM JST 3
So if they change this does that mean the whole "Japan is a peaceful country" crap, we all have heard more times than I care to count, will stop?
修宪意味着以后我们不会再听到“日本是爱好和平的国度”这种重复了一百万遍的屁话了，对吧？（译者注：谁说日本人民是爱好和平的来着？打脸啪啪的）
YuriOtaniJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:40PM JST 2
Am against removing article #9 as it puts the stability of the region in peril. Japan must NEVER again be aggressive towards another country. Defensive actions only, sorry America we are not your puppets and you asked for it. Fight your own wars really wish we were neutral in the world.
我反对移除宪法第九条，这将会使整个东北亚陷入动荡。日本永远不该侵略其他国家。防御法案就够了，山姆大叔，你要日本做你的傀儡，抱歉，办不到。要打仗，你TM自个儿打去吧。我希望日本永远保持中立。
Surf O'HolicJAN. 29, 2013 - 02:50PM JST 0
" The constitution has never been formally altered since it was drafted by U.S. Occupation forces in 1947."
Due for a change as the times and situation in Asia have changed.
The Swiss are neutral, but secure in their non-interventionist preparedness.
“日本现行宪法由美国占领军于1947年起草，至今未被官方改动过。”
星移斗转，时过境迁，该修宪了。
瑞士是中立国，可他们的不干涉政策和战备保证了国家安全。
tokyo-starJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:13PM JST 0
Changing the constitution won't mean a murderous rampage imperial like 70 years ago...just means Japan will be able to defend itself in the event that something happens without asking big brother US. Can you really see all the dudes with pointy shoes spending hours doing their hair in the mirror, going on a barbaric rampage through China and SE Asia today?
修宪并不意味着70年前的大屠杀会重演...只不过让日本获得在没有美国老大的帮助能够独立防卫自己的能力。你能想象这帮做头发要花几个小时穿着奇怪的鞋子的死宅在中国和东南亚大开杀戒的样子？
tmarieJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:22PM JST 0
**Japan must NEVER again be aggressive towards another country. **
So you disagree with Ishihara and Abe's sabre rattling then?
“日本永远也不该侵略其他国家”
这么说你强烈反对石原和安倍啰？
NessieJAN. 29, 2013 - 03:48PM JST 1
The LDP is calling for changes to the law to ease limits on the military’s use of weapons and other restrictions in such cases following this month’s hostage crisis in Algeria, in which 10 Japanese were among 38 hostages killed.
As if such easing would have made one iota of difference in Algeria? Ease the constitution, by all means, but do it for the right reasons.
修宪了就不会有这种事发生？想要修宪您请自便，麻烦找个像样的借口！
Kent McgrawJAN. 29, 2013 - 04:51PM JST
So many things to comment on. First, do not think that the USA will always be there, the present administration is known for deserting his allies in favor of his enemies. If John Kerry becomes Secretary of State, things will get worse as he is pro-China and has much invested in China. It is wise for Japan to think about self defense. The only reason that Switzerland can remain neutral and non-interventionists is that every man there is given a gun and required to spend 2 years in the military. When they are sent home from the military they take their gun and are ready if anyone tries to invade. That is why Hitler did not invade. The times have changed and Asia has changed. With the US military bases leaving and they are planning on closing more bases, it is the wise thing to do to become more self reliant for defense purposes. Nessie, nothing would have helped in Algeria they are radical muslims and they do not live by international law. It did not help the American Embassy in Benghazi.
我想说的太多啦。首先，别指望美国永远会支持日本，美国当局两面三刀抛弃盟友是出了名的。如果约翰.克里当上国务卿就坏事了，他亲中而且在中国投资了很多钱。日本考虑自卫是明智的。瑞士能维持中立和不干涉政策是因为它人手一支枪而且全民服兵役两年。他们退役把枪带回家，随时能跟入侵者战斗。这就是希特勒没敢打瑞士的原因。时过境迁，亚洲形势已然大变。美国正在搬走他的军事基地，并且计划关闭更多的基地。这时候考虑强化自我防卫能力是明智的选择。阿尔及利亚的那帮歹徒是激进的MSL，视国际法如手纸。对于美国在班加西使馆来说，国际法没帮上一点忙。
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钓鱼岛国有化，怎么看都透着邪乎，修宪也许是其最终目的吧
修宪吧，我们的蛋蛋准备好了
美国支持日本修宪，充当东亚搅屎棒角色。老美要为撤出亚洲作准备了。
美国支持日本修宪，充当东亚搅屎棒角色。老美要为撤出亚洲作准备了。
这是公然破坏战后秩序吗？
70年前的大屠杀会重现的。不过方向需要变一变
Kazuaki ShimazakiJAN. 29, 2013 - 10:28AM JST 0
@Tamarama The correct answer is that it will do both. My read is that the latter is more important.
@Tamarama 正确的答案是中国和朝鲜会暴跳如雷，同时收敛他们的行为。我个人认为，既然会让他们收敛些，修宪是值得的。
跪求修宪啊。。。
@Tamarama The correct answer is that it will do both. My read is that the latter is more important.
@Tamarama 正确的答案是中国和朝鲜会暴跳如雷，同时收敛他们的行为。我个人认为，既然会让他们收敛些，修宪是值得的。
跪求修宪啊。。。
修宪就修宪吧，日本要挑起再一次的中日战争对东北亚整合来说未必不是件好事。
支持日本修宪，脱离美国的牢笼。然后乖乖被兔子揍了之后投靠兔爹了。
修嘛，修的越多揍你们越名正言顺
先修宪，后再被修回来就行了
世界上有这样一个物种他们很接近人 也许是人类的近亲 这就是生活在一个名叫脚盆地方的脚盆物种
脚盆宅男们的水平突然提升了一个档次，这不科学啊！
不要弄英文好不好？
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有一点是对的，就是即便修宪，日本军队的战斗力，现在也看不到希望
不是一定不能修宪，先把历史欠账算清了再说，哪能这么就想好事呢
不是一定不能修宪，先把历史欠账算清了再说，哪能这么就想好事呢
修宪能拯救日本经济吗？脚盆，特别是议员的智商真让人捉鸡。如果真修宪，在华和对华出口的日企会活不下去吧！
德国总理在说要负永恒的责任，日本人在喊要修宪。差距啊！
sungoose 发表于 2013-1-30 20:00 ![]()
先修宪，后再被修回来就行了
千锤百炼！
先修宪，后再被修回来就行了
千锤百炼！
日本购岛是为了修宪？ 壮哉我大棋党。
中国倒真心可以帮日本修宪摆脱美帝控制，呵呵。
中国倒真心可以帮日本修宪摆脱美帝控制，呵呵。